From jem Wed Mar 2 10:47:59 1994 Received: by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) id AA13955; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:48:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:47:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jonathan Magid Subject: Re: Archive site To: sph@ihlpe.att.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list In-Reply-To: <199402151241.AA00931@SunSITE.Unc.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Feb 1994 sph@ihlpe.att.com wrote: > Hi: > > First I want to voice support for the ALPHA-riscy project, > then second I want to ask how I can get this mailing address > off the list? I have changed mailing addresses and cannot > automatically unsubscribe. E-mail to the addr listed for > help, "caret@c-side.com", has not generated any response > in the last couple of months. > > I have subscribed from my new mailing addr and only want > "sph@ihlpe.ih.att.com" removed. I've manuall unsubscribed you from the list. jem. From af4@ukc.ac.uk Mon Mar 14 23:20:21 1994 Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA00118; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 18:59:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199403142359.AA00118@SunSITE.Unc.EDU> Received: from eagle by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with UKC POP3+ id aa04556; 14 Mar 94 23:20 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 23:20:21 GMT From: Cover Thief To: riscy@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: pong Am I still alive? From reedv@rpi.edu Mon Mar 14 16:06:20 1994 Received: from rpi.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA16548; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 21:06:22 -0500 Received: from client.its.rpi.edu (goya.its.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB41); id AA24203; Mon, 14 Mar 94 21:06:20 EST for riscy@sunsite.unc.edu From: Received: by client.its.rpi.edu (4.1/SUB16); id AA26148; Mon, 14 Mar 94 21:06:20 EST for riscy@sunsite.unc.edu Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 21:06:20 EST Message-Id: <9403150206.AA26148@client.its.rpi.edu> To: riscy@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: Re: pong > Am I still alive? Nah, you're just another ghost in the machine :) Maybe this odd piece of info will spark some life... I was reading about all the new CPU's on the horizon that I'd heard of TFP R4X00 2106X X86 M1 K5 6XX when I ran across one I missed; Winbond inked a deal with HP to produce PA-Risc chips with a 486 pinout?!?! Comments? I'm assuming that if it can plug into a 486 socket, it can use the rest of the board, or that some support stuff will be available. How much do they cost anyway? (PA-chips?) I saw the article in Electronics News, but as I no longer have article in front of me, I can't remember which issue. Vince From drew@kinglear.cs.Colorado.EDU Mon Mar 14 13:13:20 1994 Received: from kinglear.cs.colorado.edu by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA24362; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 22:13:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kinglear.cs.Colorado.EDU (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA01082; Mon, 14 Mar 1994 20:13:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199403150313.UAA01082@kinglear.cs.Colorado.EDU> X-Authentication-Warning: kinglear.cs.Colorado.EDU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: reedv@rpi.edu, riscy@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: Re: pong In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 14 Mar 1994 21:06:37 EST." <9403150206.AA26148@client.its.rpi.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 20:13:20 -0700 From: Drew Eckhardt -------- when I ran across one I missed; Winbond inked a deal with HP to produce PA-Risc chips with a 486 pinout?!?! Comments? I'm assuming that if it can plug into a 486 socket, it can use the rest of the board, or that some support stuff will be available. FYI, Toshiba is selling the Tiger Shark chipset which converts the R4000 bus signals to i486 bus signals on the other side. In theory, one could take this and glue a r4000 of some flavor into an affordable i486 mainboard. Price $65 in Q10,000, not that that would have any berring on our cost. From atk@agua.colorado.edu Mon Mar 14 18:45:13 1994 Received: from boulder.Colorado.EDU by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA02552; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 03:44:43 -0500 Received: from agua.colorado.edu (agua.Colorado.EDU [128.138.239.4]) by boulder.Colorado.EDU (8.6.5/8.6.5/UnixOps) with SMTP id BAA00515 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 01:44:42 -0700 Received: by agua.colorado.edu (cu.generic.890828) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 01:45:13 MST From: Alan Krantz Message-Id: <9403150845.AA00658@agua.colorado.edu> To: riscy@sunsite.unc.edu Of course you can now buy a powermac with scsi port et all for around 2K. That seems like a pretty good alternative to building a machine... From lan_lada@aaf.alcatel.at Tue Mar 15 12:20:26 1994 Received: from rcsun1.aaf.alcatel.at by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA08799; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 05:21:43 -0500 Received: from rcsw52 by rcsun1.aaf.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/RC-%I%/main) id AA14806; Tue, 15 Mar 94 11:20:30 +0100 From: lan_lada@aaf.alcatel.at (Marino Ladavac) Message-Id: <9403151020.AA14806@rcsun1.aaf.alcatel.at> Subject: Re: PowerMac To: riscy@SunSITE.Unc.EDU (Alan Krantz) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:20:26 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9403150845.AA00658@agua.colorado.edu> from "Alan Krantz" at Mar 15, 94 03:46:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 476 > > > Of course you can now buy a powermac with scsi port et all for around > 2K. That seems like a pretty good alternative to building a machine... > There might be just one problem with the Power PC: I don't know if there's gcc available for that platform yet; and this being an Apple, I expect that the FSF people will not jump to support you. Otherwise, I guess it would be a nice piece of hardware. I'd rather run Linux than AIX on it any time of the day. /Alby From tthorn%hof@hof.daimi.aau.dk Tue Mar 15 06:55:05 1994 Received: from hof (hof.daimi.aau.dk) by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA14603; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 06:55:05 -0500 Received: by hof (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0pgXl9-000IBcC; Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:58 MET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 12:58 MET From: tthorn%hof@hof.daimi.aau.dk (Tommy Thorn) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: PowerMac In-Reply-To: <9403151020.AA14806@rcsun1.aaf.alcatel.at> References: <9403151020.AA14806@rcsun1.aaf.alcatel.at> Reply-To: Tommy.Thorn@daimi.aau.dk Marino Ladavac writes: > There might be just one problem with the Power PC: I don't know if there's > gcc available for that platform yet; gcc supports the power architecture in general, and soon (already?) the Power PC in specific. and this being an Apple, I expect > that the FSF people will not jump to support you. FSF only need to "support" linux, to the extend that they do already. The OS (=linux) is more important than the HW (=Power PC), given that gcc exits. That being said, I doubt FSF will be happy though. > Otherwise, I guess it would be a nice piece of hardware. I'd rather run > Linux than AIX on it any time of the day. Is the powermac really the cheapest way to get a risc machine (with either alpha, r4000 or power pc)? Would getting HW details (very important for writing device drivers et al.) be a major pain/impossible? /Tommy From amoss@cs.huji.ac.il Thu Mar 17 23:36:22 1994 Received: from cs.huji.ac.il by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA00981; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 14:36:57 -0500 Received: from picton.cs.huji.ac.il by cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA17831 (5.65c/HUJI 4.153 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:36:26 +0200 Received: from localhost by picton.cs.huji.ac.il with SMTP id AA04144 (5.65c/HUJI 4.1 for william.blundell@rto.mts.dec.com); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:36:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199403171936.AA04144@picton.cs.huji.ac.il> To: riscy@sunsite.unc.edu, william.blundell@rto.mts.dec.com (Bill Blundell) Subject: New conatct with DEC From: Amos Shapira Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:36:22 +0200 Sender: amoss@CS.HUJI.AC.IL Hello, A couple of days ago I went to a TOEM (Technical OEM) presentation day about the DEC Alpha family. I went there mainly to get a contact point within DEC since as far as I understand the situation now we are waiting for more info. Bill presented an option of an Alpha-based board with PCI, ISA, 4Mb (21066-based), slots and such in just 500US$ (NO glue needed, at least that's that they stressed through all presentations). It didn't contain disk controllers or such but I got the impression that in less than another 500US$ you can complete this (sorry, don't have the transperansis here for details). It also seems that it is possible to buy everything you need to build this board (or any other combination, it was just one concrete suggestion) directly from Digital. This basic board have SPEC marks of about 2.5 times a 486-66MHz, more than enough for me. (Just to remind people that many participants are here for the price and this seems to answer that criteria very well). I also got a couple of extra copies of the material we recieved there so I can snail-mail them to those of the hardware people here who are interested. I hope that Bill might solve the un-answered issues raised on the list so far and help get things going. Now to some technicalities: It is possible that I'll loose my network access next Sunday (there is a possibility that all the universities in Israel will close down then due to a lecturers' strike) so here is are my address and telephones: Amos Shapira 133 Shlomo Ben Yosef st. Jerusalem 93 805 Israel Home phone: +972-2-722756 Work phone: +972-3-5131371 (also a voice mailbox) Work Fax: +972-3-5131309 I fly to Australia on April 19th so there won't be any point to try to contact me after that for quite a while (hopefully months :) I hope that this contact (and/or others) will let us get things moving (whether we take the Alpha approach, which sounds very attractive to me, or not). Good luck to all of us, --Amos --Amos Shapira (Jumper Extraordinaire) | "War does not determine who is right, amoss@cs.huji.ac.il | but who is left" | | -- Anonymous? P.S. Bill: the address of the mailing list is indeed as I remembered: riscy@sunsite.unc.edu. Bye. From jmff@die.upm.es Fri Mar 18 14:11:20 1994 Received: from sanson.dit.upm.es by SunSITE.Unc.EDU (5.65c+IDA/FvK-1.07) with SMTP id AA21402; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 06:57:09 -0500 Received: from jazmin.die.upm.es by sanson.dit.upm.es (5.65c/1.6.30) Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:57:00 +0100 Received: from sparc1.die.upm.es (tanatos-gw) by jazmin.die.upm.es (4.0/1.10.3) Fri, 18 Mar 94 12:55:42 +0100 Received: by sparc1.die.upm.es (4.1/1.10.3) Fri, 18 Mar 94 13:11:20 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 13:11:20 +0100 From: jmff@die.upm.es (Jose Manuel Fernandez Fernandez) Message-Id: <9403181211.AA04724@sparc1.die.upm.es> To: riscy@sunsite.unc.edu Subject: R3k I am looking for people knowing about R3000 architecture, and I have been given this mail address. I dont know the purpose of this address, is it like a forum? I am starting now my Thesis works, about RISC architectures for signal processing algorithms, and I want to start with the basic R3000 architecture. There are public domain compilers, assemblers, simulators... of this architecture? Have someone worked with IDT evaluation boards for the R3k? There are a ftp site where get software? Someone knows if there are VHDL or Verilog descriptions of R3k? IF THIS IS NOT THE MATTER OF THIS MAIL ADDRESS, PLEASE SORRY. I HAVE NO INFORMATION ON IT. Thank you. Jose Manuel Fernandez jmff@die.upm.es