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Subject: Re: DECStation Blues
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Thanks for all the information.  My DECStation 3100 appears to be working
through the monitor and keyboard (not the serial port).  It is trying to
mount the file system on the intel based linux box.  How do you export a
file system on the intel box so that the mips box can see it and mount it ?
Unix mount command and I are not on good terms.  Also, I suspect the
firmware in my DECstation has the problem mentioned earlier (can't tftp an
image greater than 1MB).  This is based on the tftp error "disk full" I am
getting.  Apparently it is loading enough to at lease try and mount the file
system on the intel box.  So, I will go further.  If the 1mb size limitation
is real, guess I will have to fire up VMS and use mop.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Airlie <airlied@csn.ul.ie>
To: linux-mips@fnet.fr <linux-mips@fnet.fr>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: DECStation Blues


>
>> the setenv console 8 and then boot -f tftp() "console=ttyS3 single rw"
and
>
>I'm think ttyS2 is the one you need, ttyS0 is keyboard/mouse port, 1 is
>printer and 2 is serial console (I think!!!),
>
>On my DS5000/200 I have no graphics card at the moment, and all I do on it
>is boot 6/tftp and I don't pass command line at all and it seems to work,
>(I've messed with init.d scripts)...
>
>so as a recap you plug the serial line into port 3 which should be ttyS2
>.... I recommend moving over to a full serial console with the
>setenv console s ( I think again)... at least until framebuffer and stuff
>support arrives ..
>
>Dave.
>
>> all I get are the 3 lines on the DECStatio head.  No action on either
serial
>> port.  Sure is an odd thing to set console to (eight).  Should I try the
>> release you referenced?  Are you aware of specific differences in source
to
>> explain this behavior?  The MMJ cable that I am using has worked for
other
>> uses, so I don't suspect it.
>>
>> On a related note, what is the pinout for the DECStation 5000 so that I
can
>> give one of them a whirl?  Don't have any connectors for a keyboard /
mouse.
>>
>> Again, thanks
>>
>> JEFF
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) <K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com>
>> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr <linux-mips@fnet.fr>
>> Cc: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com <K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: DECStation Blues
>>
>>
>> >
>> >C J Rice writes:
>> >>I would appreciate some specific ino on boot prompt commands for the
3100.
>> >>This is most likely where I am fouled up.  In particular, should I be
able
>> >>to switch the console so that console commands are typed via the serial
>> port
>> >>on the 3100?
>> >My 3100 manual tells me that the command to select the console on the
>> >standard serial console port (== printer port!, not communications
port),
>> >is "setenv console 8"
>> >
>> >>I was booting via the console on the monitor / keyboard.  Once I tried
a
>> the
>> >>console= it just seems to hang (i.e. no more info on the monitor after
a
>> >>point).  If I am lucky, it is spewing out a serial port happily waiting
>> for
>> >>input.
>> >>
>> >>So, some specific 3100 info would really help me.
>> >try the following boot command:
>> >boot -f tftp() "console=ttyS3 single rw"
>> >
>> >Assuming you use my declinuxroot-990128.tgz, which likes to have
>> >its root FS mounted read-write.
>> >I had indeed some trouble getting the serial port running on the 3100,
>> >and running getty made the system panic. But single user should be OK.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for all the support.
>> >>
>> >>JEFF
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Karel.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>------------ David Airlie, David.Airlie@ul.ie,airlied@skynet --------
>Telecommunications Research Centre, ECE Dept, University of Limerick \
>http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied -- Telecommunications Researcher      \
>--- TEL: +353-61-202695 -----------------------------------------------
>
>

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I am getting the following message now when booting via tftp / bootp:

"kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k char_major-4, errno=3D2"

All of this is displayed on my Decstation monitor.  None over serial =
port.  Any ideas?

JEFF

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From Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de  Sun May  2 19:41:21 1999
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Hi,

On 01-May-99 C J Rice wrote:
> Thanks for all the information.  My DECStation 3100 appears to be
> working through the monitor and keyboard (not the serial port).

Could you please change:

  int  loops = 1000;

to

  int  loops = 2000;

in line 1404 of drivers/char/dz.c

and tell us if serial console works then?
---
Regards,
Harald

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I do have a 3100.  Apparently I should be building with the .config option
to use dz.c.  Could you provide a copy of your .config file ?

All the builds I have done myself hang up after displaying This Decsations
is a 2100/3100.  By hang up, I mean they no longer display any messages on
the display and don't do anything via serial port.  I can, however ping the
box.  A telnet looks promising, but is dismissed by the unknown host ??

On the other hand, I downloaded a boot image nbimageR3-2_2_1 and it does
quite a lot more.  I can not enter any commands on the keyboard or serial
port.  However, when I first started with it, it got as far as an NFS mount
failure.  After some reading, I managed to get my export right (I think) and
the NFS mount was apparently successful (no errors on monitor).  I was not
able to definitively verify it was successful from the server (not knowing
how to look).  Does the mount command show all nfs mounted volumes?  If is
does, the mount failed with no indication from the mips box.  The mips boot
continued after the nfs mount and ended with the error message "kmod: failed
to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k char-major-4, errno=2 ".  Any info would be
appreciated to get a little fearther.

JEFF



-----Original Message-----
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To: C J Rice <cjrice@cdc.net>
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Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: DECStation Blues


>Hi,
>
>On 01-May-99 C J Rice wrote:
>> Thanks for all the information.  My DECStation 3100 appears to be
>> working through the monitor and keyboard (not the serial port).
>
>Could you please change:
>
>  int  loops = 1000;
>
>to
>
>  int  loops = 2000;
>
>in line 1404 of drivers/char/dz.c
>
>and tell us if serial console works then?
>---
>Regards,
>Harald
>
>

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You may have the wrong port on the 3100. 

The decstation 2100 that I have has 2 ports on the back.

1. the port that I have my console plugged into which has
  a sort of printer symbol over it.
2. a port that has two arrows on it.

My experience was that these two ports were mislabelled.  They
were backwards.  The port with two arrows on it seemed to never accept
input at all despite every attempt.

The other thing to do is to set the console mode at the boot prom prompt
and test if that is getting through your serial cable.
>From the manual that I have,  the command "setenv console 9"
should get output coming through both your console port and the monitor.
If it doesn't your cable is bad.

-Tom Riemer




On Sun, 2 May 1999, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 01-May-99 C J Rice wrote:
> > Thanks for all the information.  My DECStation 3100 appears to be
> > working through the monitor and keyboard (not the serial port).
> 
> Could you please change:
> 
>   int  loops = 1000;
> 
> to
> 
>   int  loops = 2000;
> 
> in line 1404 of drivers/char/dz.c
> 
> and tell us if serial console works then?
> ---
> Regards,
> Harald
> 

From R.vandenBerg@inter.NL.net  Mon May  3 10:01:39 1999
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Hello Luke-Karol,

On Mon, 3 May 1999, luke-karol alexander wrote:

> Gday all,
> I am a new memeber of this list and have a Personal DECStation 5000/25

How's that possible, I've such a beast too.

> i was wondering how the linux port is going for this type of system,. and
> where i can get *any*
> (linux) software for it.

Linux runs on it, details can be found at
http://www.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/html/mips/howto.html and
http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel/install.html

Have fun.

Regards,
Richard

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Gday all,
I am a new memeber of this list and have a Personal DECStation 5000/25

i was wondering how the linux port is going for this type of system,. and
where i can get *any*
(linux) software for it.

thanks.





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From Rogers_Richardson@bourns.com  Tue May  4 01:15:00 1999
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I have been to the web page
http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html and read what was
going on at the time of the last update in 1996.

I would like to put Linux on our SGI R4000 machine.  From the following
information from the above web page reference; drivers etc were not
complete.  Has this been done?  Is Linux possible on my SGI now?


On what hardware will it run?

Linux/MIPS will run on most ARC (ARC = Advanced Risc Computing) compliant
systems equipped with Mips R4x00 processors. A port to older MIPS
microprocessors is now in progress. Ports to the following systems are in
progress: 



*Acer PICA-61 
(R4400, 134/150 MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, on-board video, SCSI,
ethernet and serial/parallel I/O plus 5 free ISA slots) *DECStation 5000/2x,
5000/100, 3100, and others. (a.k.a. PMAX, all R3000 based) *Deskstation
rPC44 
(R4400 100 MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, 5 free EISA slots) *Mips
Magnum 4000PC 
(R4000, 100 MHz CPU clock, on-board video, SCSI, ethernet 
and serial/parallel I/O plus 4 free EISA slots) *Olivetti M700-10 
(R4000, 100 MHz CPU clock, on-board video, SCSI, ethernet 
and serial/parallel I/O plus 4 free EISA slots) *RM200 
(R4600, 133MHz CPU clock, on-board video, SCSI, ethernet, serial/parallel
I/O, 2 EISA and 3 PCI slots. 

*Onboard drivers.
For Acer Pica, Magnum 4000 and Olivetti boards there are currently no
drivers available for the onboard peripherals except for the floppy driver.
Since these missing driver will still have to be written, ISA/EISA
peripherals that are left from some old PC are a good workaround for now.


Thanks,

Rogers 
Tele:801-786-6312
Fax:801-786-6267
mailto:rogers_richardson@bourns.com

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On Mon, May 03, 1999 at 04:13:51PM -0700, Rogers Richardson wrote:

> I have been to the web page
> http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html and read what was
> going on at the time of the last update in 1996.
> 
> I would like to put Linux on our SGI R4000 machine.  From the following
> information from the above web page reference; drivers etc were not
> complete.  Has this been done?  Is Linux possible on my SGI now?

It depends what machine you actually have.  Is it an Indy?

The better web reference is http://www.linux.sgi.com.

  Ralf

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Hi..

I have a SGI Iris Indigo.. several

it has a R3000 mips cpu in it.

i would like to resurect these old machines and possible extend the life
of them with linux on it...

i don't know where to begin or start and i came across this page
lena.fnet.fr

and read the faq...

Or  if you can point me into the right direction of any new efforts in
the progress that would be appreciated

thanks
Bryan O'Shea



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On Tue, 4 May 1999, Bryan O'Shea wrote:

> Or  if you can point me into the right direction of any new efforts in
> the progress that would be appreciated

That is http://www.linux.sgi.com/

Regards,
Richard

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Hi,

On 05-May-99 Bryan O'Shea wrote:
> I have a SGI Iris Indigo.. several
> 
> it has a R3000 mips cpu in it.

In that case you might want to have a look at
ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/linux-2.2.1-dec.tar.gz

This source tree works for R2000/R3000 based DECstation and Baget Series
machines, i.e. it has all the necessary changes for those CPUs. There
won't be expilicit support for Indigos but it may be a start.

---
Regards,
Harald

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People,

I have commited a bunch of DECstation and Baget changes to the
Linux/MIPS CVS. From now on I will no longer maintain a seperate source
tree because you can get all the latest and greatest changes from the CVS
itself :-), well, almost.

The CVS does not contain several R3000 related changes and the changes for
HZ != 100 on the DECstations. It will, on the other hand, work right out
of the box for R4x00 based DECs, besides the clock problem. The necessary
changes are available as seperate patches.

Ok, what do you need for your machine?

o The CVS source tree. You can get this via anonyoums CVS and instructions
for that are in the Linux/MIPS FAQ.

o Baget Series: apply
ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/r2300_patch.gz

o R4x00 based DECstations: apply
ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/hz_patch.gz

o R2000/r3000 based DECstations: apply both of the above.

Happy testing.
---
Regards,
Harald

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Stop spamming, or your here from our lawyer!


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Harald Koerfgen <Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de>
An: linux-mips@fnet.fr <linux-mips@fnet.fr>
Datum: Mittwoch, 5. Mai 1999 21:46
Betreff: A few DECstation changes commited to CVS


>People,
>
>I have commited a bunch of DECstation and Baget changes to the
>Linux/MIPS CVS. From now on I will no longer maintain a seperate source
>tree because you can get all the latest and greatest changes from the CVS
>itself :-), well, almost.
>
>The CVS does not contain several R3000 related changes and the changes for
>HZ != 100 on the DECstations. It will, on the other hand, work right out
>of the box for R4x00 based DECs, besides the clock problem. The necessary
>changes are available as seperate patches.
>
>Ok, what do you need for your machine?
>
>o The CVS source tree. You can get this via anonyoums CVS and instructions
>for that are in the Linux/MIPS FAQ.
>
>o Baget Series: apply
>ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/r2300_patch.gz
>
>o R4x00 based DECstations: apply
>ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/hz_patch.gz
>
>o R2000/r3000 based DECstations: apply both of the above.
>
>Happy testing.
>---
>Regards,
>Harald
>

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Subject: Re: building an elf64 R10k kernel
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On Tue, May 04, 1999 at 04:00:00PM -0700, William J. Earl wrote:

>  > Let me point out that SGI has invented an almost genious workaround for a
>  > R10000 bug that only hits systems without I/O cache coherency, that is the
>  > Indigo2 and O2.
> ...
> 
>      The R10000 "bug" is, in a sense, a feature, in that it improves
> performance, and is harmless on machines with cache-coherent I/O.
> Specifically, on a speculative store miss (a cache miss due to a
> speculatively executed store instruction), the R10000 fetches the line
> dirty-exclusive and marks it modified, in anticipation of the store.
> If, however, the speculatively executed store never graduates (is
> never committed), the line is left dirty, even though it has not been
> modified.  If the line happens to be part of a buffer into which data
> is being DMAed, a subsequent victim writeback of the dirty cache line
> might overwrite good data from the DMA with the obsolete data in the
> cache line.  This means that, one way or the other, a system with
> non-cache-coherent I/O and an R10000 must avoid allowing the
> processor to perform a speculative store miss with respect to memory
> into which a DMA is taking place.
> 
>      Note that the Indigo2 and O2 have somewhat different workarounds.
> The Indigo2 deals with the kernel side using a special compilation mode,
> and the O2 deals with the kernel side using a special hardware feature
> plus a generalization of the solution for the user mode part of the problem.
> Both deal with the user mode by invalidating TLB entries for pages into
> which data is being transferred via DMA, so that the processor cannot
> resolve the virtual address, and hence cannot speculatively fetch
> a cache line at that address, while the DMA is in progress.  The kernel
> side is harder, since the TLB is not used for K0SEG and XKPHYS address
> spaces, which is where things get complicated.
> 
>      I can provide the details to someone who is really interested
> in working on this, but, as Dave Olson indicated, you don't want to
> start on this unless you have a LOT of spare time. 

There is a number of embedded systems which need top end horse power and
are therefore based on the R10000.  I bet many of these systems are also
had to work around this R10000 non-coherent I/O problem using the same or
similar tricks as SGI did.  So I hope somebody will be interested solving
that problem.

  Ralf

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Sag mal habt Ihr da ein Virus im system (sieht nach Melissa aus) Ich kriege
hier zig - mails mit denen ich nix anfangen kann.

Und Ralf Baechle...hm, bin der Meinung mit dem hab ich vor ein paar Jahren
mal was diskutiert. Hamburg.....Trickfilmkolorierung....dämmert's? Bin ich
in den ersten 50 Adressen? Glückwunsch, dann haste den Virus.

Gruß
Udo
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Ralf Baechle <ralf@gnu.org>
An: William J. Earl <wje@fir.engr.sgi.com>
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<clepple@foo.tho.org>; linux@engr.sgi.com <linux@engr.sgi.com>;
linux-mips@fnet.fr <linux-mips@fnet.fr>; linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu
<linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu>
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Mai 1999 17:21
Betreff: Re: building an elf64 R10k kernel


>On Tue, May 04, 1999 at 04:00:00PM -0700, William J. Earl wrote:
>
>>  > Let me point out that SGI has invented an almost genious workaround
for a
>>  > R10000 bug that only hits systems without I/O cache coherency, that is
the
>>  > Indigo2 and O2.
>> ...
>>
>>      The R10000 "bug" is, in a sense, a feature, in that it improves
>> performance, and is harmless on machines with cache-coherent I/O.
>> Specifically, on a speculative store miss (a cache miss due to a
>> speculatively executed store instruction), the R10000 fetches the line
>> dirty-exclusive and marks it modified, in anticipation of the store.
>> If, however, the speculatively executed store never graduates (is
>> never committed), the line is left dirty, even though it has not been
>> modified.  If the line happens to be part of a buffer into which data
>> is being DMAed, a subsequent victim writeback of the dirty cache line
>> might overwrite good data from the DMA with the obsolete data in the
>> cache line.  This means that, one way or the other, a system with
>> non-cache-coherent I/O and an R10000 must avoid allowing the
>> processor to perform a speculative store miss with respect to memory
>> into which a DMA is taking place.
>>
>>      Note that the Indigo2 and O2 have somewhat different workarounds.
>> The Indigo2 deals with the kernel side using a special compilation mode,
>> and the O2 deals with the kernel side using a special hardware feature
>> plus a generalization of the solution for the user mode part of the
problem.
>> Both deal with the user mode by invalidating TLB entries for pages into
>> which data is being transferred via DMA, so that the processor cannot
>> resolve the virtual address, and hence cannot speculatively fetch
>> a cache line at that address, while the DMA is in progress.  The kernel
>> side is harder, since the TLB is not used for K0SEG and XKPHYS address
>> spaces, which is where things get complicated.
>>
>>      I can provide the details to someone who is really interested
>> in working on this, but, as Dave Olson indicated, you don't want to
>> start on this unless you have a LOT of spare time.
>
>There is a number of embedded systems which need top end horse power and
>are therefore based on the R10000.  I bet many of these systems are also
>had to work around this R10000 non-coherent I/O problem using the same or
>similar tricks as SGI did.  So I hope somebody will be interested solving
>that problem.
>
>  Ralf
>

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Hi,
	What is the best method of retreiving stuff from the CVS tree, is
there an anonymous pserver method or if not how do I do it over FTP, 

I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially without
have to download the whole tree each time ...

Dave.

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On Thu, 6 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:

> 	What is the best method of retreiving stuff from the CVS tree, is
> there an anonymous pserver method or if not how do I do it over FTP, 

>From the Linux MIPS HOWTO (I don't know if it's yet online beside the cvs
server as module faq, but you can review this part online at
http://www.inter.nl.net/schnecke/mips/howto.html): 

   4.2 Anonymous CVS servers.
   
   
          For those who always want to stay on the bleeding edge and want
          to avoid having to download patch files or full tarballs we
          also have an anonymous CVS server. Using CVS you can checkout
          the Linux/MIPS source tree with the following commands:
          
   cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs login

          (Only needed the first time you use anonymous CVS, the password
          is "cvs")
          
   cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs co <repository>

          where you insert linux, libc, gdb or faq for <repository>.
          
          
          The other important CVS archive of the Linux community is
          vger.rutgers.edu where a lot of code is being collected before
          being sent to Linus for distribution. Although vger itself no
          longer offers anonymous access, there are mirror sites which do
          provide anonymous access. For details how to access them see
          http://cvs.on.openprojects.net/. The modules which are of
          interest are "linux", "modutils", "pciutils", "netutils".

> I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially without
> have to download the whole tree each time ...

I wouldn't rush yet for R[23]000 based DEC's as I couldn't produce a
working kernel like Harald described.

Regards,
Richard

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On Thu, May 06, 1999 at 03:39:26PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote:

> 	What is the best method of retreiving stuff from the CVS tree, is
> there an anonymous pserver method or if not how do I do it over FTP, 
> 
> I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially without
> have to download the whole tree each time ...

Below the anonymous CVS fragment of the FAQ.

Cheers,

  Ralf

  4.2.  Anonymous CVS servers.

  For those who always want to stay on the bleeding edge and want to
  avoid having to download patch files or full tarballs we also have an
  anonymous CVS server.  Using CVS you can checkout the Linux/MIPS
  source tree with the following commands:


     cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs login
     (Only needed the first time you use anonymous CVS, the password is "cvs")
     cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs co <repository>



  where you insert linux, libc, or gdb for <repository>.

  The other important CVS archive of the Linux community is
  vger.rutgers.edu where a lot of code is being collected before being
  sent to Linus for distribution.  Although vger itself no longer offers
  anonymous access, there are mirror sites which do provide anonymous
  access.  For details how to access them see
  <http://cvs.on.openprojects.net/>.  The modules which are of interest
  are ``linux'', ``modutils'', ``pciutils'', ``netutils''.

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> 
> > I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially without
> > have to download the whole tree each time ...
> 
> I wouldn't rush yet for R[23]000 based DEC's as I couldn't produce a
> working kernel like Harald described.
> 
don't have much choice :-)... just lost my previous tree while messing
about with a getting my 10GB recognised in my PC :-( ...

I have most of the changes I've made anyways, and I might someday soon get
the SCSI on my DS5000/200 going, I have it recognising the adapter, just
have to get commands to it ...

Dave.

 > Regards,
> Richard
> 

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From R.vandenBerg@inter.NL.net  Thu May  6 19:05:52 1999
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Hello Dave,

On Thu, 6 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:

> > > I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially without
> > > have to download the whole tree each time ...
> > 
> > I wouldn't rush yet for R[23]000 based DEC's as I couldn't produce a
> > working kernel like Harald described.

> don't have much choice :-)... just lost my previous tree while messing
> about with a getting my 10GB recognised in my PC :-( ...

In that case, I have both sources (cvs yesterday evening) and can supply
you a diff, compressed with gzip -9 it is a 137 kB. I guess that can
be mailed.

> I have most of the changes I've made anyways, and I might someday soon get
> the SCSI on my DS5000/200 going, I have it recognising the adapter, just
> have to get commands to it ...

Let me know, and you can go on.

Regards,
Richard

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Hi all,

On 06-May-99 Dave Airlie wrote:
>> 
>> > I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially
>> > without
>> > have to download the whole tree each time ...
>> 
>> I wouldn't rush yet for R[23]000 based DEC's as I couldn't produce a
>> working kernel like Harald described.
>> 

Thanks for bringing me back on the floor, guys. Yes, some things have
changed indeed.

To build an ECOFF kernel, which can be booted via TFTP or via Ultrixboot
you have to type "make boot" and you'll find vmlinux.ecoff in
arch/mips/boot. Yes, elf2ecoff has been hacked to work for DECstations too
:-). addinitrd unfortunately does not work. No initrd at the moment.

Another point (cited from the Linux/MIPS-Howto):

--- begin cite ---

  Self compiled kernels crash when booting.
  When I build my own kernel, it crashes.  On an Indy the crash message
  looks like the following; the same problem hits other machines as well
  but may look completely different.

   Exception: <vector=UTLB Miss>
   Status register: 0x300004803<CU1,CU0,IM4,IPL=???,MODE=KERNEL,EXL,IE>
   Cause register: 0x8008<CE=0,IP8,EXC=RMISS>
   Exception PC: 0x881385cc, Exception RA: 0x88002614
   exception, bad address: 0x47c4
   Local I/O interrupt register 1: 0x80 <VR/GIO2>
   Saved user regs in hex (&amp;gpda 0xa8740e48, &_regs 0xa8741048):
     arg: 7 8bfff938 8bfffc4d 880025dc
     tmp: 8818c14c 8818c14c 10 881510c4 14 8bfad9e0 0 48
     sve: 8bfdf3e8 8bfffc40 8bfb2720 8bfff938 a8747420 9fc56394 0 9fc56394
     t8 48 t9 8bfffee66 at 1 v0 0 v1 8bfff890 k1 bad11bad
     gp 881dfd90 fp 9fc4be88 sp 8bfff8b8 ra 88002614

   PANIC: Unexpected exception

 This problem is caused by a still unfixed bug in Binutils newer than
 version 2.7.  As a workaround, change the following line in
 arch/mips/Makefile
 from:

   LINKFLAGS       = -static -N

 to:

   LINKFLAGS       = -static

--- end cite ---

On the DECstations this look very much like:

[Numbers or whatever printed]
This DECstation is a DS500/1xx
[and then nothing]

and then return to PROM prompt.

> don't have much choice :-)... just lost my previous tree while messing
> about with a getting my 10GB recognised in my PC :-( ...
> 
> I have most of the changes I've made anyways,

Besides your changes to declance.c they are already in the CVS :-)

These are not easy to integrate but I am thinking about possible solutions.

> and I might someday soon get the SCSI on my DS5000/200 going, I have
> it recognising the adapter, just have to get commands to it ...

That's indeed the most interesting part...

Happy hacking.
---
Regards,
Harald

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Hello Harald,

On Thu, 6 May 1999, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> On 06-May-99 Dave Airlie wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I want to keep track of the DEC patches from Harald essentially
> >> > without
> >> > have to download the whole tree each time ...
> >> 
> >> I wouldn't rush yet for R[23]000 based DEC's as I couldn't produce a
> >> working kernel like Harald described.
> >> 
> 
> Thanks for bringing me back on the floor, guys. Yes, some things have
> changed indeed.
> 
> To build an ECOFF kernel, which can be booted via TFTP or via Ultrixboot
> you have to type "make boot" and you'll find vmlinux.ecoff in
> arch/mips/boot. Yes, elf2ecoff has been hacked to work for DECstations too
> :-). addinitrd unfortunately does not work. No initrd at the moment.

DECstation Linux howto at
http://www.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/mips/howto.html is accordingly
changed. For now I guess I don't need initrd, perhaps in the future to
boot the 5000/133 from flop, but for now I like this :-) : 
 
KN02-CA V2.0m   
1201984+0+119696              
This DECstation is a Personal DS5000/xx
Loading R[23]00 MMU routines.
CPU revision is: 00000230
Instruction cache 64kb
Data cache 64kb                                          
Linux version 2.2.1 (mips@schnecke) (gcc version 2.7.2) #1 Thu May 6 22:40:46 CEST 1999
Calibrating delay loop... 24.77 BogoMIPS                 
Memory: 14668k/16380k available (1048k kernel code, 404k data)

Regards,
Richard

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Hi,
	Previously I installed the decroot from the ftp site, and I
upgraded had to re-compile login, and then I was allowed telnet to the
machine, I since lost my tree and I today tried the same thing login still
doesn't work after a recompile ..

Anyone any ideas on this one? or a login that works, also does it happen a
lot or is it only certain installs?

Dave.

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Hi Dave,

On Sat, 8 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 	Previously I installed the decroot from the ftp site, and I
> upgraded had to re-compile login, and then I was allowed telnet to the
> machine, I since lost my tree and I today tried the same thing login still
> doesn't work after a recompile ..

I had to recompile login too.

> Anyone any ideas on this one? or a login that works, also does it happen a
> lot or is it only certain installs?

Well, my 'fstab hack' is the only way I've ever been able to telnet to
the box and I automated correct mounting in that part of rc.sysconfig
and fire up inetd. I guess, I have to rewrite rc.sysconfig in order to
see what is teesing me. Even making /sbin/init a symlink to rc.sysconfig
doesn't make things work ok, the 'fstab hack' works again, a correct
fstab and the box is unreachable. :-(

Regards,
Richard

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Is there still work in progress on porting linux to mips platforms?
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Your web site says there is a good chance that this platform will be supported.
The page is more than one year old, so maybe the work is already done.

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Can you send me your current fstab and rc.sysinit??

I think I've throughly messed my own ones up now ..

This is very wierd ... has anyone any ideas what might be causing this
problem?

Dave.

On Sun, 9 May 1999, Richard van den Berg wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> 
> On Sat, 8 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 	Previously I installed the decroot from the ftp site, and I
> > upgraded had to re-compile login, and then I was allowed telnet to the
> > machine, I since lost my tree and I today tried the same thing login still
> > doesn't work after a recompile ..
> 
> I had to recompile login too.
> 
> > Anyone any ideas on this one? or a login that works, also does it happen a
> > lot or is it only certain installs?
> 
> Well, my 'fstab hack' is the only way I've ever been able to telnet to
> the box and I automated correct mounting in that part of rc.sysconfig
> and fire up inetd. I guess, I have to rewrite rc.sysconfig in order to
> see what is teesing me. Even making /sbin/init a symlink to rc.sysconfig
> doesn't make things work ok, the 'fstab hack' works again, a correct
> fstab and the box is unreachable. :-(
> 
> Regards,
> Richard
> 

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Hi Dave,

On Mon, 10 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:

> Can you send me your current fstab and rc.sysinit??

My current /etc/fstab has the same effect as `rm -f /etc/fstab;
touch /etc/fstab`, comment out line 9 of rc.sysinit if you don't have
/usr/sbin/rdate, is my solution to shut up make, and I have attached
/root/starten which get used. Order of mounting /proc and / is significant
if you like to have a correctly updated /etc/mtab.

> I think I've throughly messed my own ones up now ..

It has to be a mess before things can become clean.

> This is very wierd ... has anyone any ideas what might be causing this
> problem?

Some piece of hardware called DECstation... :-) Honestly, I'm clueless
right now and also spending more time on math and physics then on
DECstation stuff.

Regards,
Richard

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From: Florian Laws <florian@void.s.bawue.de>
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On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 11:29:50AM +0200, Jürgen Sandner wrote:
> Is there still work in progress on porting linux to mips platforms?
> We have about 100 RM400/10 from SNI, whith we would like to run under LINUX.
> Your web site says there is a good chance that this platform will be supported.

How old are your RM400/10s?

I have an 8 years old RM400/05 here are I would really like to get
Linux running on it.

Here are some technical data:

Siemens RM400/05, 
Processor: MIPS R3000A + R3010A Coproc
32MB RAM
2x1,5GB Harddisk,
Floppy,
some strange Kind of Streamer,
SCSI onboard, Differential SCSI support (could be NCR 52C200)
Ethernet onboard (Intel Ethernet chipset, i guess)
(see chip list below)
7 ISA Slots

The problem is, I have _no_ documentation on the hardware,
I have only the docu that comes with a SINIX V5.41 B 10
system CDROM.

Therefore, please accept my apologies for the rather long
chip list below, perhaps somebody can identify some of the
components and tell me if they can be supported by Linux/MIPS.

Thanks,

Florian


And here the labels on some of the major chips on the mainboard:

(CPU):		SIEMENS	SAB-
			R3000A-33-AE
			S10420890R		126682
			(M)(C) MIPS '89		146 
			GERMANY
(Coproc):	SIEMENS SAB-
			R3010A-33-A
			S10410890R		134462
			(M)(C) MIPS'89
			GERMANY

(left of the CPU):
		LSI	LR 3230 HC-33
			MIPS RWB
			NAC 9301 [delta]
			OB 9507 FSDNA2

(below):
		APPIAN	POACH 8
			82C331
			9214
			CDACGK 

		APPIAN	POACH 1
			82C230-12
			9117
			CDACCP

(near the ISA slots, right):
		INTEL	S82352
			S7297
			CF62397PB
			N 9343	06198
			INTEL 990

(near the ISA slots, above):
		VLSI	9252 BV 271671
			VL16C552-QC
			3034 A2000

(further above, could be SCSI?):
		NCR	SIOP
			53C200
			609-3400676	GM12
			Y249057
			9305N

(further above, could be Ethernet?):
		INTEL	?

From ralf@lappi.waldorf-gmbh.de  Tue May 11 01:00:57 1999
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On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:56:40PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:

> I've found a silly bug in the R4600SC caching routines. It wiped the
> whole cache at wrap arounds even if you just tried to write back two
> cache lines (for example the last cache line and the first cache
> line).
> 
> I can't understand how this bug has lasted so long in the
> kernel. Well, now that I've sorted it out, your R4600SC machine be A
> LOT faster.

The asm constraints are wrong as well, will commit a path.

  Ralf

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On Tue, May 11, 1999 at 01:00:18AM +0200, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 08:56:40PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:
> 
> > I've found a silly bug in the R4600SC caching routines. It wiped the
> > whole cache at wrap arounds even if you just tried to write back two
> > cache lines (for example the last cache line and the first cache
> > line).
> > 
> > I can't understand how this bug has lasted so long in the
> > kernel. Well, now that I've sorted it out, your R4600SC machine be A
> > LOT faster.
> 
> The asm constraints are wrong as well, will commit a path.

I think that round up macro is quite useless. For example if you want to write
back line 0, wouldn't indy_sc_wipe(0, 0) do it just fine? Now, even if you just
want to write back the sillies little bit of data, two cache lines are written
back. This is also the cause of the wrap arounds (which actually shouldn't
happen the comment tells me).

- Ulf

From engel@math.uni-siegen.de  Tue May 11 09:23:15 1999
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Subject: Re: linux on sinix rm400
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> 
> I have an 8 years old RM400/05 here are I would really like to get
> Linux running on it.

[...]

> And here the labels on some of the major chips on the mainboard:
> 
> (left of the CPU):
> 		LSI	LR 3230 HC-33
> 			MIPS RWB
> 			NAC 9301 [delta]
> 			OB 9507 FSDNA2

Cache controller, I think ...

> (below):
> 		APPIAN	POACH 8
> 			82C331
> 
> 		APPIAN	POACH 1
> 			82C230-12
> 
> (near the ISA slots, right):
> 		INTEL	S82352
> 			S7297

These three should be some kind of PC chipset IIRC ...

> (near the ISA slots, above):
> 		VLSI	9252 BV 271671
> 			VL16C552-QC

Dual UART (2 16550's in one ...)

> (further above, could be SCSI?):
> 		NCR	SIOP
> 			53C200

Maybe it's 53C700 ? That's definitely a SCSI controller ...

> (further above, could be Ethernet?):
> 		INTEL	?

Let me guess ... 82586 or 82596. Looks rather similar to the hardware
used in my RM200 (except for the R3000 CPU ...). The problem is that 
support isn't likely unless one of the developers has a machine to 
experiment with. Ralf has a RM200C (PCI,  R4600PC-based) and I have an
older RM200 (ISA/VLB, also has a R4600PC CPU) but I haven't even seen
a R3000-based SNI machine ...

regards,
	Michael

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From: Dave Airlie <airlied@csn.ul.ie>
To: linux-mips@fnet.fr
Subject: login problems again ... (DS 5000)
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I'm giving up on trying to track that login bug down, it's very wierd is
all I can say, just some things I've noticed while looking for it..

Does gdb work properly on mipsel, specifically the Decstation R3000
based?

Is there enough support for strace to run on Linux-mipsel again on the DS
R3000 based machines.. if not what is needed ... ?

Otherwise its back to the SCSI driver ....

Dave.

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From sartoris@umd.edu  Tue May 11 20:10:28 1999
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Karsten,

Sorry you had trouble sending that.  My correct E-mail address is
sartoris@info.umd.edu.  You could also send it to meade@inforum.umd.edu.

Thanks a lot.  (Sorry for the delay, but I'm just back from Germany.)

Doug


> Please check your From: header and tell me you correct email address.
> 
> Greetings,
> Karsten
> -- 
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> 

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Hi,

On 11-May-99 Dave Airlie wrote:
> 
> I'm giving up on trying to track that login bug down, it's very wierd is
> all I can say, just some things I've noticed while looking for it..

If anything else fails, I'll try to reproduce how I got this working for
my /133. Sorry, but I can't remember how I did it.

---
Regards,
Harald

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Hi,

I've been gone for a few weeks, so excuse the delay in response:

I tried the url below, and got "Forbidden: You don't have 
permission to access /users/schnecke/html/mips/howto.html on this
server."  I'd like to see it though,

Doug

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Richard van den Berg wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I've put a small DECstation Linux Howto based on a mail from Harald in
> this list on the net at
> http://www.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/html/mips/howto.html that gives
> tips to set up Linux on a DECstation with the current available 2.2.1
> kernel. 
> 
> Suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Regards,
> Richard
> 
> 

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Right I got a login compiled that works, it's not the standard util-linux
login binary, so maybe someone can put this as a question in a HOWTO or
FAQ,

-- cut--here---
x.x Login doesn't work?

There is some really wierd problems with login on the standard NFS root
system. This can sometimes be solved by re-compiling the login binary from
the util-linux SRPM from the ftp.linux.sgi.com FTP site, if this doesn't
work for you grab, the SimplePAMApps package from

ftp.xx.kernel.org:/pub/linux/libs/pam/pre/applications/SimplePAMApps-0.59.tar.gz

Do a
./configure --without-pniam --without-pwdb
make

Make will stop somewhere in the su subdir with errors, then do

cd pamapps/login
make
cp login /bin/login
chmod u+s 4711 /bin/login

-- and here---

And tada your login binary should work ...

Dave.

On Tue, 11 May 1999, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 11-May-99 Dave Airlie wrote:
> > 
> > I'm giving up on trying to track that login bug down, it's very wierd is
> > all I can say, just some things I've noticed while looking for it..
> 
> If anything else fails, I'll try to reproduce how I got this working for
> my /133. Sorry, but I can't remember how I did it.
> 
> ---
> Regards,
> Harald
> 

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Hello Douglas,

On Tue, 11 May 1999, Douglas S. Meade wrote:

> I've been gone for a few weeks, so excuse the delay in response:
> 
> I tried the url below, and got "Forbidden: You don't have 
> permission to access /users/schnecke/html/mips/howto.html on this
> server."  I'd like to see it though,

Oops, looks like symlinks don't work on that web-server, I have moved the
pages, the right one is /users/schnecke/mips/howto.html.

Regards,
Richard

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Hi Dave,

On Tue, 11 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:

> Right I got a login compiled that works, it's not the standard util-linux
> login binary, so maybe someone can put this as a question in a HOWTO or
> FAQ,

Are you running multi-user too? If so please also mail me login
(privatly). I took login from the Debian 2.1 slink sources.

Regards,
Richard

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From: "Douglas S. Meade" <sartoris@umd.edu>
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Subject: Re: DS5000/25
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Hi all,

I'm still trying to get my DS5000/25 past the initial problems involving
getting up a reasonable login prompt, and being able to telnet in
remotely.  Could someone put up the binaries somewhere for login, passwd,
etc. that needed to be recompiled?  Also, are the problems with 
these binaries specific to /25, or are they causing problems on other
machines as well?

Doug  

On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Matt Foster wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Thanks to all who have made suggestions.  I've now got
> the system working well.  Things that had to be
> rebuilt for the root image were: login, passwd
> vipw, more, cfdisk (couldn't get fdisk to build
> it barfed on bsddisklable stuff) and mkswap. 
> I left the system building the kernel overnight
> (DS5000/25 w 40MB and some ancient RZ25).  It took
> 3 hours 1 minute and three seconds.  
> 
> Matt
> 
> 

From sartoris@umd.edu  Tue May 11 23:36:47 1999
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Here's a little more information about the behavior of login on my 
machine.  It seems that I'm dropping into a login shell at the 
same time that login is running, which is very strange.  I get 
something like:

Red Hat Linux release 5.1 (Manhattan)
Kernel 2.2.1 on a mips

login:
       bash#

Red Hat Linux release 5.1 (Manhattan)
Kernel 2.2.1 on a mips
 
login:
       bash#
             bash#


and so on.  I can keep this going by hitting return.  But if 
I type something at the "bash#" prompt, the command may work,
or the system may hang.

Doug


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> 
> Are you running multi-user too? If so please also mail me login
> (privatly). I took login from the Debian 2.1 slink sources.
> 
I've mailed the login binary separately,

With that login, I have a telnettable, rloginable system for mutltiple
users ... I've reverted to the standard dec root, with just the replaced
login binary and it seems to work fine, multi-user, still no console, (on
my list of things though ... ) ...

Dave.


> Regards,
> Richard
> 

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Hi all,
=A0 My name is sheref and I just newly recieved a box going out of servic=
e
of my orgnization it is a Digital DECWorkstation 5000/240 I think it
will be a good box for my Linux learning experiance I am entending to
get into.
=A0=A0 I do not know anything about Linus yet, I got some print outs of H=
ow
to's and I am willing to start, but I do not know from where I should
begin, Can anybody help me out and point to me a starting point please??

=A0=A0 Sheref , Networks Senior Consultant Bank of....
=A0=A0 s_sabawy@hotmail.com

I appriciate if you added my name to your list, so I be on the loop
=A0

Regards
Sheref

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On Thu, 13 May 1999, Sheref El Sabawy wrote:

>  My name is sheref and I just newly recieved a box going out of service
> of my orgnization it is a Digital DECWorkstation 5000/240 I think it
> will be a good box for my Linux learning experiance I am entending to
> get into.

Yes, in setting up a DECstation to run Linux you might be able to learn
some things about Linux.

>  I do not know anything about Linus yet, I got some print outs of How
> to's and I am willing to start, but I do not know from where I should
> begin, Can anybody help me out and point to me a starting point please??

A page that explains the current situation and has links to other Linux
DECstation related sites is
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/mips/howto.html

Have fun.

Regards,
Richard

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Well I've been poking around, and looking around and all that, and /me
don't like SCSI drivers any more :-)

Anyways, question is

dma_init_read and dma_init_write are passed a __u32 vaddress, this is
resolving on my system for the first write to  00fe3000, however if I read
from this address I get a 

Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00fe3000

So what am I missing....??? do I need to do some conversion on this
address?

Further information on the DS5000/200 SCSI, the SCSI is a shared 128k
buffer, and there is no DMA to system memory, so I'm using PIO cmds, and
for data, writing is done by coping the data to the SRAM during the
dma_init_write function, and setting the DMA register to where the data
is, for read, I set the DMA register to an empty buffer in the SRAM, and
then (this bit is sick and twisted but should work for now.. :-), I use
dma_drain to copy the buffer back to the system memory from the DMA
region, after DMA has completed...

Of course I'm totally unsure of lots of things, like cfreq and stuff, but
I shall battle onwards ...

Dave.



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> dma_init_read and dma_init_write are passed a __u32 vaddress, this is
> resolving on my system for the first write to  00fe3000, however if I read
> from this address I get a 
> 
> Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00fe3000

0x00fe3000 is a physical address, you may pass that address to the hardware, but
you may not use it in the kernel. If you want to access it from the kernel you
will have to add 0xa0000000. That's easily done by using the KSEG1 macro, thus
in your particular case KSEG1(0x00fe3000).

- Ulf

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On Fri, May 14, 1999 at 04:47:23PM +0200, Ulf Carlsson wrote:
> > dma_init_read and dma_init_write are passed a __u32 vaddress, this is
> > resolving on my system for the first write to  00fe3000, however if I read
> > from this address I get a 
> > 
> > Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00fe3000
> 
> 0x00fe3000 is a physical address, you may pass that address to the hardware,
> but you may not use it in the kernel. If you want to access it from the kernel
> you will have to add 0xa0000000. That's easily done by using the KSEG1 macro,
> thus in your particular case KSEG1(0x00fe3000).

Uhm, excuse me for replying to myself, but that should be KSEG1ADDR(0x00fe3000)
of course.

- Ulf

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Is this list alive ?

If so, could someone send details of how to subscribe.

I got the address from http://lena.fnet.fr, but that page doesn't seem
to have been updated for over a year....

Thanks

Andre
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On Fri, 14 May 1999, Andre McCurdy wrote:

> Is this list alive ?

You bet it is.

> If so, could someone send details of how to subscribe.

If the administrator reads the message too you might be subsribed, else
send a message specificly that you want to subscribe.

> I got the address from http://lena.fnet.fr, but that page doesn't seem
> to have been updated for over a year....

Work is in progress, are you looking for any particular machine?
http://www.linux.sgi.com/ and http://decstation.unix-ag.org/ contain more
up to date info and
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/mips/mips-howto.html contains a
list of currently supported machines.

Regards,
Richard

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I've got a few questions that aren't covered in any docs I've seen so far.
I hope someone
out there can shed some light...

1. The latest binutils appears build build out of the box using
mipsel-linuxelf.  In previous versions
    a patch was required.  Was it to fix a build problem or a functional
problem?

2. The latest gcc does not build out of the box using  mipsel-linuxelf.  (I
get stuck on -G 0
option not supported when running xgcc).  Any pointers?  Should the previous
patches include
the required changes?

3. Any docs available on the layout of .mdebug?  When I use the existing
cross compilers and
build a program using -g, mipsel-objdump --debug shows no debug info.  Is
all the relevant
info in .mdebug?

Any help/pointers/info would be greatly appreciated.

-Dave Vogt



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On Fri, May 14, 1999 at 11:55:44PM -0700, David Vogt wrote:

> 1. The latest binutils appears build build out of the box using
> mipsel-linuxelf.  In previous versions
>     a patch was required.  Was it to fix a build problem or a functional
> problem?

Bug fixes.

> 2. The latest gcc does not build out of the box using  mipsel-linuxelf.  (I
> get stuck on -G 0
> option not supported when running xgcc).  Any pointers?  Should the previous
> patches include
> the required changes?

Nope, the patches never went back to the gcc/egcs developers, so these
packages are not expected to work out of the box.

> 3. Any docs available on the layout of .mdebug?  When I use the existing
> cross compilers and
> build a program using -g, mipsel-objdump --debug shows no debug info.  Is
> all the relevant
> info in .mdebug?

It's documented in the MIPS ABI as I remember.

> Any help/pointers/info would be greatly appreciated.

  Ralf

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Hi,
	Today I got the drive-ID strings from the SCSI card, they are
complete but the SCSI type is still unknown ...

So I have a few questions, in NCR53C9X.c, wbflush is #defined to something
for the IOASIC decstations... What does this wbflush mean?, If I replace
it with a #include <asm/wbflush.h> I don't get my drive strings any more,
so for a start what exactly is wbflush for (i.e. when should it be called)
and for non-IOASIC decs what should I be doing?

Thanks,
	Dave.

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Hello Dave,

On Sun, 16 May 1999, Dave Airlie wrote:

> 	Today I got the drive-ID strings from the SCSI card, they are
> complete but the SCSI type is still unknown ...
> 
> So I have a few questions, in NCR53C9X.c, wbflush is #defined to something
> for the IOASIC decstations... What does this wbflush mean?, If I replace
> it with a #include <asm/wbflush.h> I don't get my drive strings any more,
> so for a start what exactly is wbflush for (i.e. when should it be called)
> and for non-IOASIC decs what should I be doing?

Hope Haralds following posting explains it.

Regards,
Richard


>From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Mon May 17 00:49:16 1999
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:44:42 +0200 (MEST)
From: Harald Koerfgen <harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de>
Reply-To: linux-mips@fnet.fr
To: linux-mips@fnet.fr
Subject: R3000 and wbflush (was: DZ-11 interrupts)
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Hi Tom, fellow DECstation hackers

On 15-Oct-98 Thomas Riemer wrote:
> Ok - after playing with the dz serial device -
> 
> I'm getting effectively nowhere -
> I have enabled the UART scan
> I have enabled the transmit.
> 
> I can force one character across - but as far
> as I can tell the interrupt that is supposed to be generated
> when the dz11 is ready to process another character never happens.
> 
> I'm guessing that somehow we are not catching it.  
> 
> What's the best way to approach this?  How do I find out what's
> going on under the hood?

Your problem might be another one. The R3000 Family processors (including the R2000)
have a four word writeback buffer which usually is transparent to memory accesses,
but may have side effects when dealing with hardware registers.

Example: Let's assume data and status to be two hardware registers and writing
something to data has an influence on the content of the status register. A code
snippet like:

        data = whatever;
        if (status == OK)
                do_something();

might fail because it cannot be guaranteed that the write access to data happens
before the read access from status.

The solution to this problem is to wait until the writeback buffer is empty i.e.,
all write accesses are done. Unfortunately the mechanism for this is hardware
implementation specific and the DECstation engineers chose four different ways to do
this. You might want to look at arch/mips/dec/wbflush.c.

To make a long story short, the above code snippet should look like:

#include <asm/dec/wbflush.h>

        data = whatever;
        wbflush();
        if (status == OK)
                do_something();


If you have to write to several hardware registers in a certain sequence, you have
to wait for the writeback buffer to be empty too. For example:

        reg_1 = a_value;
        wbflush();
        reg_2 = another_value;

when the access to reg_1 should be done before the access to reg_2.

Hope this helps.
---
Regards,
Harald


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Cool that posting helped me understand why I need wbflush, so the next
question is, can a wbflush() in the wrong place do any harm (apart from a
performance slowdown), and why in the dec_esp.c driver does the wbflush
defined not use <asm/wbflush.h> but defines its own wbflush macro for the
IOASIC decstations, and it is safe to use asm/wbflush.h in its place ..?

Dave.



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From sartoris@info.umd.edu  Mon May 17 22:16:38 1999
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To: linux-mips@fnet.fr
cc: "Houten K.H.C. van" <K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com>
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Hi Karel,

Any more progress with the DS5000/25 yet?  I'm still able only
to get into maintenance mode by commenting out all lines in 
/etc/fstab.  I suspect there is something wrong with the login
binary, but I also had no luck with one that Karsten Merker sent 
me.  Also, how can I create a non-root user and issue a password?
There seems to be no passwd executable in the root filesystem, 
and vipw seg faults on my machine.  Same result when I use fdisk.

Thanks for any time you can spare on this.

Doug


On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Karel van Houten wrote:

> > it looks like the inetd has started correctly, and my network config
> > files seem to be set up correctly.
> I've got the same effect on my console port. My way to log in is:
> 
> After "System is ready", press <return>, then send a BREAK
> (CRTL-\ B in kermit), and you should get the login prompt. 
> Then enter "root", <return>, wait a while, and send a BREAK again.
> after that, all is normal. This assumes you have full modem control
> on your terminal, or you fake the correct signals on the console port.
> 
> 
> I'll try it in the next days on another 5000.
> 
> > 
> > 4. As found by Matt Foster, I can "rsh <systemname> /bin/bash", and it
> > reports success.  But rlogin gives the same result as telnet.
> 
> You'll here from me.
> 

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Hi,

On 17-May-99 Dave Airlie wrote:
> 
> Cool that posting helped me understand why I need wbflush, so the next
> question is, can a wbflush() in the wrong place do any harm (apart from
> a performance slowdown),

No, it can't. Nevertheless, wbflush() should be used in as few places as
possible.

> and why in the dec_esp.c driver does the wbflush
> defined not use <asm/wbflush.h> but defines its own wbflush macro for
> the IOASIC decstations, and it is safe to use asm/wbflush.h in its
> place ..?

dec_esp.c is written for and will only work on IOASIC DECstations and the
mechanism for flushing the writeback buffer is the same on all those
machines. I decided to use a shortcut here and avoid an indirect function
call, but the generic wbflush() shouldn't harm. 

BTW, I used the same trick in NCR53C9x.c, which probably was a little bit
shortsighted :-). An "#include <asm/wblush.h" definitely belongs here.

Dave, you might want to consider creating something like pmaz-esp.c and
modify hosts.c et al. accordingly. I am not able to see a simple way to
unify an IOASIC and a PMAZ-A driver and the code in *_esp.c is not very
much indeed. What do you think?

Happy hacking.
---
Regards,
Harald

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Hello,

Could somebody tell me location of gcc and binutils SRPMs for MIPS cross
development on i386 ? I need gcc with Harald specs patch and binutils
with my r3k patch. Looking at DECstation resources I was able to find
native egcs and binutils SRPMS only.

Regards,
Gleb.

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Hi Doug,

> Any more progress with the DS5000/25 yet?  I'm still able only
> to get into maintenance mode by commenting out all lines in 
> /etc/fstab.  I suspect there is something wrong with the login
> binary, but I also had no luck with one that Karsten Merker sent 
> me.  Also, how can I create a non-root user and issue a password?
> There seems to be no passwd executable in the root filesystem, 
> and vipw seg faults on my machine.  Same result when I use fdisk.
> 
> Thanks for any time you can spare on this.
> 

I have no access to a /25 system. But I was able to boot a 3100 up to
single user mode. I haven't tried vipw, but you could try to use
just vi /etc/passwd. Just a thought: does it help to specify the
TERM environment variable? I know of some termcap libs that fail without.

If I can reproduce the login problem, maybe I can find out what happens.

I hope to update the root-image in the next weeks. Things that should be
changed are:
  - New net-tools for 2.2 kernels
  - mount should work on all platforms
  - login should work on all platforms

Regards,
Karel.


-- 
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From R.vandenBerg@inter.NL.net  Tue May 18 16:23:11 1999
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Hello Gleb,

On Tue, 18 May 1999, Gleb O. Raiko wrote:

> Could somebody tell me location of gcc and binutils SRPMs for MIPS cross
> development on i386 ? I need gcc with Harald specs patch and binutils
> with my r3k patch. Looking at DECstation resources I was able to find
> native egcs and binutils SRPMS only.

Following is also online at
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/mips/howto.html
If you want cross gcc you might try links at http://lena.fnet.fr/

Regards,
Richard

     * Get a crosscompiling environment from
       ftp://bolug.uni-bonn.de/mips/. You'll find cross-egcs and
       cross-binutils there.
       
     * Get the latest kernel source tree from the cvs server, from the
       faq:
       
   4.2 Anonymous CVS servers.
   
          For those who always want to stay on the bleeding edge and want
          to avoid having to download patch files or full tarballs we
          also have an anonymous CVS server. Using CVS you can checkout
          the Linux/MIPS source tree with the following commands:
          
   cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs login

          (Only needed the first time you use anonymous CVS, the password
          is "cvs")
          
   cvs -d :pserver:cvs@linus.linux.sgi.com:/cvs co <repository>

          where you insert linux, libc, or gdb for <repository>.
          
          
          The other important CVS archive of the Linux community is
          vger.rutgers.edu where a lot of code is being collected before
          being sent to Linus for distribution. Although vger itself no
          longer offers anonymous access, there are mirror sites which do
          provide anonymous access. For details how to access them see
          http://cvs.on.openprojects.net/. The modules which are of
          interest are "linux", "modutils", "pciutils", "netutils".
          
     * The CVS does not contain several R3000 related changes and the
       changes for HZ != 100 on the DECstations. It will, on the other
       hand, work right out of the box for R4x00 based DECs, besides the
       clock problem. The necessary changes are available as seperate
       patches.
       
     * Ok, what do you need for your machine?
       
     * Baget Series: apply
       ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/r2300_patch.gz
       
     * R4x00 based DECstations: apply
       ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/hz_patch.gz
       
     * R2000/r3000 based DECstations: apply both of the above.
       
     * Build a kernel with the following .config (mind the cpu type as
       Linux-MIPS is cpu dependent, a R3000 kernel won't run on a R4x00
       machine).

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On Tue, 18 May 1999, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:

> I have no access to a /25 system. But I was able to boot a 3100 up to
> single user mode. I haven't tried vipw, but you could try to use
> just vi /etc/passwd. Just a thought: does it help to specify the
> TERM environment variable? I know of some termcap libs that fail without.
> 
> If I can reproduce the login problem, maybe I can find out what happens.

With inetd and portmap running and modified rc files, I am able to
login on my /33 (I swapped cpu's) with home compiled login build from
the shadow_980403 sources that Debian 2.1 uses. It gives the error

configuration error - unknown item 'CREATE_HOME' (notify administrator)

but everything else looks o.k., logs get updated.

> I hope to update the root-image in the next weeks. Things that should be
> changed are:
>   - New net-tools for 2.2 kernels

using net-tools-1.49-1

>   - mount should work on all platforms

using mount-2.7l-3

>   - login should work on all platforms

logging in might be useful ;-)

Regards,
Ricahrd

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From: Dave Airlie <airlied@csn.ul.ie>
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Hi,
	I think I've gotten SCSI nearly cracked, I may need a tutorial or
pointer to some info on MIPS memory addressing (all that KSEG stuff
confuses me :-), but you can find a bootup sequence from my DS5000/200 at

http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/mips/msgs.txt

I now detect SCSI card, sense drives, and get drive sizes, the unknown
partition table is due to something missing from my kernel but it looks a
lot better than it did :-)

Dave.

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Hi Dave,

> 	I think I've gotten SCSI nearly cracked, I may need a tutorial or
> pointer to some info on MIPS memory addressing (all that KSEG stuff
> confuses me :-), but you can find a bootup sequence from my DS5000/200 at
> 
> http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/mips/msgs.txt
> 
> I now detect SCSI card, sense drives, and get drive sizes, the unknown
> partition table is due to something missing from my kernel but it looks a
> lot better than it did :-)

Congrats! Thats looks promising! Do you know if your disks contain a
partition table at all? The boot kernels on my website do contain some
extended partition-table detection code, so they should be able to find
more partition-tables, and they will report what type of table they find.

Regards,
Karel.

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On Tue, 18 May 1999, Karel van Houten wrote:

> 
> Congrats! Thats looks promising! Do you know if your disks contain a
> partition table at all? The boot kernels on my website do contain some
> extended partition-table detection code, so they should be able to find
> more partition-tables, and they will report what type of table they find.
> 
> Regards,
> Karel.

http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/mips/msgs2.txt

I've added your patch, and it detects similiar to NetBSD which is
installed on the second drive, the first disk gives me no partition tables
errors under NetBSD also (perhaps because it has no partition table :-)
...

So anyone got an fdisk binary that doesn't segfault? the one installed by
default core dumps all over the place, and the one I've just compiled from
util-linux seems to enjoy doing the same thing ....

I get this feel my binaries don't like me !!..

Dave.

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From Harald.Koerfgen@home.ivm.de  Tue May 18 21:15:56 1999
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Hi,

On 18-May-99 Dave Airlie wrote:
> http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/mips/msgs2.txt

[...]

Excellent job, Dave. BTW, I have a PMAZ-A here and since yesterday some
devices to connect to. Would you mind to send me your patches. I might
even be of help here :-)

> So anyone got an fdisk binary that doesn't segfault? the one installed
> by default core dumps all over the place, and the one I've just
> compiled from util-linux seems to enjoy doing the same thing ....

ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test/mipsel-fdisk

I haven't tried to write a partition table with this but it seems to work
on my /133.

Have fun.
---
Regards,
Harald

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To: linux-mips@fnet.fr
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Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:

> I hope to update the root-image in the next weeks. Things that should be

I have had the same idea.... :-)

I am currently compiling several RedHat-6.0 packages for mipsel, although
with glibc-2.0.7, not with glibc-2.1 as the RH6.0 for intel. Harald ist
currently investigating the possibility of running glibc-2.1 on mipsel,
so perhaps we will change that later on.
I hope to have at least some packages on ftp://bolug.uni-bonn.de/mips/
after next weekend.

Greetings,
Karsten
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Hi DECStation hackers:

I've uploaded a new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to ftp.linux.sgi.com.

Changes:
- new 'login' binary (not a complete package)
- new mount package
- new net-tools package
- some small other changes to config files

This works OK on my 5000/260 and on a 3100.

At the moment the file is still in /incoming. As soon as
Thomas finds some time, it will move to its correct location.

Regards,
-- 
Karel van Houten

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The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better."
I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
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On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:37:04PM +0200, Karel van Houten wrote:

> I've uploaded a new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to ftp.linux.sgi.com.
> 
> Changes:
> - new 'login' binary (not a complete package)
> - new mount package
> - new net-tools package
> - some small other changes to config files
> 
> This works OK on my 5000/260 and on a 3100.
> 
> At the moment the file is still in /incoming. As soon as
> Thomas finds some time, it will move to its correct location.

I just found that the WaR3z KiDdiZ were also active in /incoming which was
actually the reason why /incoming was supposed to be non-writable.  No warez
there, though :-) And of course /incoming is now unwritable again.

Karel, send me your ssh public key & favourite account name and I'll create
an account with the necessary upload priviledges for you.

  Ralf

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From: "Douglas S. Meade" <sartoris@info.umd.edu>
To: Karel van Houten <K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com>
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Karel,

I just downloaded this file, and the size is 5251620, smaller than 
the one in January (9185324).  When I do tar tvzf, it complains after
sbin/insmod.static about "gzip: stdin: Unexpected end of file".  Maybe
the file in incoming is not complete?

I'm really looking forward to trying this one.

Thanks.

Doug


On Wed, 19 May 1999, Karel van Houten wrote:

> Hi DECStation hackers:
> 
> I've uploaded a new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to ftp.linux.sgi.com.
> 
> Changes:
> - new 'login' binary (not a complete package)
> - new mount package
> - new net-tools package
> - some small other changes to config files
> 
> At the moment the file is still in /incoming. As soon as

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On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:39:20AM -0400, Douglas S. Meade wrote:

> I just downloaded this file, and the size is 5251620, smaller than 
> the one in January (9185324).  When I do tar tvzf, it complains after
> sbin/insmod.static about "gzip: stdin: Unexpected end of file".  Maybe
> the file in incoming is not complete?
> 
> I'm really looking forward to trying this one.

The file is definately corrupted, so I'll remove it from the server.

  Ralf

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Hi,
	Please find attached the diff for the PMAZ-AA non-IOASIC
Turbochannel SCSI adapter :-) ... it doesn't fully work, and I'm still
dodgy about parts of it particularly anywhere I use the KSEG macros, 

The diff is against my cvs tree of today, so you may need to read over the
diff before applying it as I think I see a few spurious wbflush things ..

Dave.

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Right I've discovered why re-compiling the util-linux-2.7.src.rpm login
binary from the sgi site doesn't work...  ( I had started patching up 2.9
today), 

For mips the compiler flags are specified -mips2, changing that in the
toplevel MCONFIG file to -mips1 seems to have cleared it up no end ....

Sorta obvious :-)..

Dave.

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Hi all,

I have now uploaded the new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to 
ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test

It will move to /pub/linux/mips/mipsel-linux/root in the near future.

(Yes, this time the archive is not corrupted).

Regards,

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On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:18:59AM +0200, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:

> I have now uploaded the new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to 
> ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test
> 
> It will move to /pub/linux/mips/mipsel-linux/root in the near future.
> 
> (Yes, this time the archive is not corrupted).

Which btw. is the reason why I usually make announcments including MD5
checksums.

  Ralf

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What format of CDROM are DECstations using for booting from?  I'm
just pondering about the problem how to brew a CD which can be used
both by as many systems for installation purposes as possible.  I
believe such a hack is important for acceptance by Linux distributors.

  Ralf

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> Hi all,
> 
> I have now uploaded the new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to 
> ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test
> 
> It will move to /pub/linux/mips/mipsel-linux/root in the near future.
> 
> (Yes, this time the archive is not corrupted).

Can you check what flags the packages have been compiled with .. as I
mentioned previously, -mips2 only works for R4000 (??) and as some DS'es
are R3000 based we need to make sure that we have a root image with -mips1
flags specified or no flags at all ..

Dave.

> 
> Regards,
> 

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To: Dave Airlie <airlied@csn.ul.ie>,
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On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:12:49PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote:

> > I have now uploaded the new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to 
> > ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test
> > 
> > It will move to /pub/linux/mips/mipsel-linux/root in the near future.
> > 
> > (Yes, this time the archive is not corrupted).
> 
> Can you check what flags the packages have been compiled with .. as I
> mentioned previously, -mips2 only works for R4000 (??) and as some DS'es
> are R3000 based we need to make sure that we have a root image with -mips1
> flags specified or no flags at all ..

For the general case, don't compile your stuffs with -mips2.  I once did
benchmarks and the gain by -mips2 was about 2%.  It's however ok to use
-mcpu=r4000 or similar because that will not generate MIPS 2 or higher
instructions, just schedule things optimal for the r4000.

I'm working on Linux/MIPS64.  Initially we'll only support 32-bit userland
but later on we'll support the full MIPS III / 64-bit bloat^H^H^H^H^Hfeatures.

  Ralf

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Hello, Ralf

On Thu, 20 May 1999, Ralf Baechle wrote:

> What format of CDROM are DECstations using for booting from?  I'm
> just pondering about the problem how to brew a CD which can be used
> both by as many systems for installation purposes as possible.  I
> believe such a hack is important for acceptance by Linux distributors.

By Jonathan Stone:

AFAIK, DECstation PROMs dont boot ISO or RockRidge CDs; you have to
burn an image of a SCSI disk (eg., scsi-disk style bootblocks plus a
UFS filesystem) onto the disk.  Other thing is that the boot PROMs
expect 512-byte sectored CDs.

You can view the whole message at:
http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=465829900

Regards,
Richard

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Hi All,

1.
Installing RedHat 5.2 packages on our MIPS we detected what
egcs-c++-1.0.2-9.mipseb.rpm 
(from SGI linux site) is corrupted:

[vladimir@vladimir /tmp]$ rpm --nopgp --checksig
ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/RedHat/5.2/RPMS/mipseb/egcs-c++-1.0.2-9.mipseb.rpm
ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/RedHat/5.2/RPMS/mipseb/egcs-c++-1.0.2-9.mipseb.rpm:
size MD5 NOT OK

2.
Old HardHat5.1 NFS-based install uses more old RPMs component file
format when
used in RedHats >= 5.2.  We are composed available mipseb 5.2 and 5.1
RPMS with
some positive result (RedHat 5.15 ?) but looks like we need to update
some install root files.  
May be somebody already has ones ?  

3.
Is where anybody preparing _regular_ distribution of RedHat 6.0 for MIPS
?

Thanks in advance,
Vladimir.

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Dave Airlie writes:
>
>	Please find attached the diff for the PMAZ-AA non-IOASIC
>Turbochannel SCSI adapter :-) ... it doesn't fully work, and I'm still
>dodgy about parts of it particularly anywhere I use the KSEG macros, 
>
>The diff is against my cvs tree of today, so you may need to read over the
>diff before applying it as I think I see a few spurious wbflush things ..
>

Hi Dave,

Without applying your patch yet (I'm still busy getting a correct kernel
image from the CVS sources), but from looking at it, it seems that
you make the choice of SCSI card a three-state. Isn't it possible to
include support for all 3 types simultaniously?
It would be very nice to have one boot kernel working for all R[23]000 based
systems.

Regards,
Karel.

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No I think it should work.. the config section I just took from the
previous line and it looks like the standard SCSI config.in,

I am a bit dodgy about the if (TURBOCHANNEL) in the pmaz_esp_detect
function, this does a search_tc_card for PMAZ-AA, does this work in the
IOASIC boxes right? i.e. is the internal SCSI on the IOASIC boxes known as
PMAZ-AA?

Dave.

On Thu, 20 May 1999, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:

> 
> Dave Airlie writes:
> >
> >	Please find attached the diff for the PMAZ-AA non-IOASIC
> >Turbochannel SCSI adapter :-) ... it doesn't fully work, and I'm still
> >dodgy about parts of it particularly anywhere I use the KSEG macros, 
> >
> >The diff is against my cvs tree of today, so you may need to read over the
> >diff before applying it as I think I see a few spurious wbflush things ..
> >
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Without applying your patch yet (I'm still busy getting a correct kernel
> image from the CVS sources), but from looking at it, it seems that
> you make the choice of SCSI card a three-state. Isn't it possible to
> include support for all 3 types simultaniously?
> It would be very nice to have one boot kernel working for all R[23]000 based
> systems.
> 
> Regards,
> Karel.
> 

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From raiko@niisi.msk.ru  Fri May 21 09:21:23 1999
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From: "Gleb O. Raiko" <raiko@niisi.msk.ru>
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Hello,

Richard van den Berg wrote:
> 
> Hello Gleb,
> 
> On Tue, 18 May 1999, Gleb O. Raiko wrote:
> 
> > Could somebody tell me location of gcc and binutils SRPMs for MIPS cross
> > development on i386 ? I need gcc with Harald specs patch and binutils
> > with my r3k patch. Looking at DECstation resources I was able to find
> > native egcs and binutils SRPMS only.
> 
> Following is also online at
> http://web.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/mips/howto.html
> If you want cross gcc you might try links at http://lena.fnet.fr/
> 
> Regards,
> Richard
> 
>      * Get a crosscompiling environment from
>        ftp://bolug.uni-bonn.de/mips/. You'll find cross-egcs and
>        cross-binutils there.
> 

Unfortunately, SRPMs on bolug lack some features: binutils doesn't
contain r3k patch (there is no way to get working kernel for r3k without
the patch), egcs isn't compiled on RH6.0 due to stupid new 'features' in
latest makeinfo. Thus, I had to repackage both and if somebody
interested I may send spec files, but for big-endian mips.

Regards,
Gleb.

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I have a NEC 2000 R4400pc dual processor machine.  I would like to help in the porting process.  
Currently my team has 3 (boring) single pentium machines (slack, debian, and Openlinux)  4 dual PPro machines (2 openlinux, 1 debian, 1 slack) A sparc SLC (sparcLinux) and we are acquiring a 715/50, and a PowerPC.
We are working on clustering the prop machines and basically are interested in running the software on as many different platforms as we can!!

Let me know if you have any >super-beta< or alpha code for the dual 4400pc machine, I'll load it and crash it and help any way I can!

Thanks!
Kenneth Hartley
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Hill Air Force Base
 

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Hello,

Is it known that using a swap partition is a no go on DECstations,
garanteed to halt the system? It looks like that a swapped out process
doesn't get swapped back, for example a telnet session unused for a
while becomes dead. Compiling kernel or egcs the machine halts within
the hour silently, or that the compiler receives a fatal signal as the
last message.

Using no swap space this is possible:

 11:34pm  up 2 days,  1:31,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.74, 0.93

Regards,
Richard


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Wierd, I noticed this recently and I blamed my SCSI driver code for the
hang, nice to know it probably wasn't my fault :-),

Although my SCSI driver does crash out mke2fs for some reason ah well, 
back to the hacking ...

Dave.

On Fri, 21 May 1999, Richard van den Berg wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Is it known that using a swap partition is a no go on DECstations,
> garanteed to halt the system? It looks like that a swapped out process
> doesn't get swapped back, for example a telnet session unused for a
> while becomes dead. Compiling kernel or egcs the machine halts within
> the hour silently, or that the compiler receives a fatal signal as the
> last message.
> 
> Using no swap space this is possible:
> 
>  11:34pm  up 2 days,  1:31,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.74, 0.93
> 
> Regards,
> Richard
> 
> 

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Karel,

Thanks a lot for putting this up.  It's a big jump forward from the 
January image.  If you don't mind a somewhat lengthy post, here is
what I've been able to find on my DS5000/25:

1. The system now mounts NFS root and goes into multi-user mode
to where you can login at the console by hitting the break key
(Ctrl-\, B in Kermit).  You can telnet and login now as well.  
This is starting to get exciting!

2. The NFS connection (I have a RedHat 5.1 Intel as server) seems
a little flaky.  Several times I was installing a package using 
RPM, and it would die with "Illegal Instruction (core dumped)"
or "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)".  Strangely, when you 
tried it again, it often worked, and when I got to the point of 
mounting the root file system on a SCSI disk, the rpm commands
worked on every package first try.  So I think it is the NFS 
connection.  

3. fdisk, cfdisk, vipw and several other commands don't work.  It's
interesting that they don't always give the same error message.  For
example, I tried fdisk several times.  I got one of the three messages:
Bus error, Segmentation fault, or Illegal instruction.  Which one seems
to be random, but it's mostly Segfault.  I've never observed this on 
Intel/Linux.  Usually if a program segfaults once, it always does.

4. Something in the shutdown sequence doesn't seem to be correct, 
although I'm going to try and track this one down myself.  If 
root is mounted NFS, it goes into a loop saying 
"RPC: sendmsg returned error 128"
If I mounted the SCSI, it comes back up on the next boot saying
not cleanly unmounted, and this drops me into maintenance mode.  
Unfortunately, e2fsck also randomly gives a segfault or illegal
instruction, so you have to do it several times.  It works eventually.

5. Trying to copy large files (linux source) over the NFS link causes
either segfault, illegal instruction, or bus error.  Again, which seems
to be random.  Trying to ftp the same file leads to segfault, so I 
haven't been able to get the linux source image on my SCSI disk yet.

Aside from these few observations, everything is working fairly well,
and I had the system up for almost a day yesterday.

Thanks again,

Doug

On Thu, 20 May 1999, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have now uploaded the new declinuxroot-990518.tgz to 
> ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/test
> 

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> 
> 3. fdisk, cfdisk, vipw and several other commands don't work.  It's
> interesting that they don't always give the same error message.  For
> example, I tried fdisk several times.  I got one of the three messages:
> Bus error, Segmentation fault, or Illegal instruction.  Which one seems
> to be random, but it's mostly Segfault.  I've never observed this on 
> Intel/Linux.  Usually if a program segfaults once, it always does.
> 

This sounds like the wrong optimisations on the commands from util-linux,
I hope to get an rpm out RSN (early next week, I'll start my decstation
compiling it now... :-) ), which will replace all those binaries ..

Dave.

> > 
> 

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Gleb O. Raiko wrote:

> Unfortunately, SRPMs on bolug lack some features: binutils doesn't
> contain r3k patch (there is no way to get working kernel for r3k without
> the patch), 

I cannot follow you in this point: I am of course using the packages from
bolug.uni-bonn.de myself and I have compiled all the kernels for my
DECstation 5000/20 with it. The 5000/20 is a 20MHz R3000 (little endian).
Is there a difference between big and little endian machines with respect
to this?

> egcs isn't compiled on RH6.0 due to stupid new 'features' in
> latest makeinfo. Thus, I had to repackage both and if somebody
> interested I may send spec files, but for big-endian mips.

Yes, I am interested. What in detail is the problem with the new makeinfo
(I do not yet have RH6.0 installed)?

Greetings,
Karsten
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> > 3. fdisk, cfdisk, vipw and several other commands don't work.  It's
> > interesting that they don't always give the same error message.  For
> > example, I tried fdisk several times.  I got one of the three messages:
> > Bus error, Segmentation fault, or Illegal instruction.  Which one seems
> > to be random, but it's mostly Segfault.  I've never observed this on 
> > Intel/Linux.  Usually if a program segfaults once, it always does.
> > 
> 
> This sounds like the wrong optimisations on the commands from util-linux,
> I hope to get an rpm out RSN (early next week, I'll start my decstation
> compiling it now... :-) ), which will replace all those binaries ..

I think that the util-linux package used in the declinuxroot
(which I pulled from ftp.linux.sgi.com) was compiled using -mips2.

As time permits, I'll try verify / recompile packages, and put up a
new root image.

Regards,
Karel.

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On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:11:23PM +0400, Vladimir A. Roganov wrote:

> 3.
> Is where anybody preparing _regular_ distribution of RedHat 6.0 for MIPS?

Our key problem with porting Red Hat 6.0 is that it's based on GNU libc 2.1
which we cannot build as long as nobody fixes symbol versioning.

  Ralf

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Hi Doug,

Thanks for your reaction!

Doug wrote:
> 
> 2. The NFS connection (I have a RedHat 5.1 Intel as server) seems
> a little flaky.  Several times I was installing a package using 
> RPM, and it would die with "Illegal Instruction (core dumped)"
> or "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)".  Strangely, when you 
> tried it again, it often worked, and when I got to the point of 
> mounting the root file system on a SCSI disk, the rpm commands
> worked on every package first try.  So I think it is the NFS 
> connection.  
Did you get any NFS error messages on the console or /var/log/messages?
I had NFS problems when running over NFS root, but this resulted in
slowdowns (time-out), but never a fatal error.

> 3. fdisk, cfdisk, vipw and several other commands don't work.  It's
> interesting that they don't always give the same error message.  For
> example, I tried fdisk several times.  I got one of the three messages:
> Bus error, Segmentation fault, or Illegal instruction.  Which one seems
> to be random, but it's mostly Segfault.  I've never observed this on 
> Intel/Linux.  Usually if a program segfaults once, it always does.
I think the util-linux packaged I used to create the root image was
compiled for R4k procs. Please try the new util-linux rpm package on
my web site http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel 

> 4. Something in the shutdown sequence doesn't seem to be correct, 
> although I'm going to try and track this one down myself.  If 
> root is mounted NFS, it goes into a loop saying 
> "RPC: sendmsg returned error 128"
I think you are trying to remount a NFS mounted FS read-only, this might
be an oversight of me checking the rc files.

> If I mounted the SCSI, it comes back up on the next boot saying
> not cleanly unmounted, and this drops me into maintenance mode.  
> Unfortunately, e2fsck also randomly gives a segfault or illegal
> instruction, so you have to do it several times.  It works eventually.
This is strange. What type of SCSI controller do you use?

> 5. Trying to copy large files (linux source) over the NFS link causes
> either segfault, illegal instruction, or bus error.  Again, which seems
> to be random.  Trying to ftp the same file leads to segfault, so I 
> haven't been able to get the linux source image on my SCSI disk yet.
> 
> Aside from these few observations, everything is working fairly well,
> and I had the system up for almost a day yesterday.
Mmm. You seem to have network and SCSI problems. Could it be a hardware
problem?

What DECStation are you using?

Regards,
-- 
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Hello,

Karsten Merker wrote:
> 
> Gleb O. Raiko wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately, SRPMs on bolug lack some features: binutils doesn't
> > contain r3k patch (there is no way to get working kernel for r3k without
> > the patch),
> 
> I cannot follow you in this point: I am of course using the packages from
> bolug.uni-bonn.de myself and I have compiled all the kernels for my
> DECstation 5000/20 with it. The 5000/20 is a 20MHz R3000 (little endian).
> Is there a difference between big and little endian machines with respect
> to this?
> 

No, both big- and little-endian boxes are affected. Look at
/include/asm-mips/pgtable.h.
It contains macros (inliners, really) that are used to play with TLB,
tlb_*. All of them don't put nop after the instruction which changes
TLB. The problem is you can't predict what is the next instruction in
the command flow just after such macro. (If the next instruction
accesses a CP0 register, a nop must be inserted in the flow.) And there
is at least one place where it's necessary, i.e. there is a place where
we access a CP0 register just after the macro. Old kernels containted a
nop at the end of  the macros, then there was a company to remove all
nops and as a solution I patched the assembler in the way it can
understand that a nop is required and insert it.

Unfortunately, to make the check, you have to disassemble the kernel
image and look at all palces where tlb* instructions are used. I did
make the procedure only one and don't  repeat it for every kernel
version. My opinion is just to use the patch and not to care of the
subtle changes in the sources every time I download new kernel. Seems
reasonable to me. :-)

> > egcs isn't compiled on RH6.0 due to stupid new 'features' in
> > latest makeinfo. Thus, I had to repackage both and if somebody
> > interested I may send spec files, but for big-endian mips.
> 
> Yes, I am interested. What in detail is the problem with the new makeinfo
> (I do not yet have RH6.0 installed)?

makeinfo in RH6.0 doesn't understand the sources of infos and fails to
produce the info files (which lead to compilation fail of entire egcs
package). The solution I stealed from RH compat-egcs is to compile egcs'
makeinfo and use it.

Regards,
Gleb.
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+{"tlbp",    "",		0x42000008, 0xffffffff,	INSN_TLB|INSN_COP|COD	},
+{"tlbr",    "",		0x42000001, 0xffffffff,	INSN_TLB|INSN_COP|COD	},
+{"tlbwi",   "",		0x42000002, 0xffffffff,	INSN_TLB|INSN_COP|COD	},
+{"tlbwr",   "",		0x42000006, 0xffffffff,	INSN_TLB|INSN_COP|COD	},
 {"tlti",    "s,j",	0x040a0000, 0xfc1f0000,	RD_s|I2|TRAP	},
 {"tlt",     "s,t",	0x00000032, 0xfc00003f, RD_s|RD_t|I2|TRAP },
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Summary: Cross-binutils for mips-linux on i386 systems.
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Release: 1
Copyright: GPL
Group: Development/Tools
Source0: binutils-2.8.1.tar.gz 
Patch0: binutils-2.8.1-mips.patch
Patch1: binutils-2.8.1-gccbug.patch
Patch2: binutils-2.8.1-mips-a.out.patch
Patch3: binutils-2.8.1-mips-r3k.patch
Distribution: RedHat >=5.0
Buildroot: /var/tmp/binutils-root
Vendor: none
Packager: K. Merker <merker@guug.de>

%description
This package contains cross-binutils which allow the creation of binaries
to be run on big-endian Linux-MIPS (architecture "mips-linux") on
i386-machines.
 
%prep
%setup -n binutils-2.8.1
%patch0 -p1
%patch1 -p1
%patch2 -p1
%patch3 -p1
 
%build
./configure --target=mips-linux --prefix=/usr
make

%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr
make prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr install
rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/bin/mips-linux-c++filt
rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/lib/libiberty.a

%clean
rm -fr $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
/usr/bin/*
/usr/lib/*
/usr/mips-linux/bin/*
/usr/mips-linux/lib/*

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Patch8: egcs-1.0.2-haifa.patch
Patch9: egcs-1.0.1-objcbackend.patch
Patch10: egcs-1.0.2-mips.patch
Buildroot: /var/tmp/egcs-root
Distribution: RedHat >=5.0
Vendor: none
Packager: K. Merker <merker@guug.de>
Requires: mips-cross-binutils >= 2.8.1

%description
This package contains a cross-egcs which allows the creation of
binaries to be run on big-endian Linux-MIPS (architecture
"mips-linux") on i386-machines.
Currently this is only a first-stage compiler, i.e. it can compile
a Linux kernel, but not user space applications.
 
%prep
%setup -n egcs-1.0.2
%patch0 -p1
%patch1 -p1
%patch2 -p1
%patch3 -p1
%patch4 -p1
%patch5 -p1
%patch6 -p1
%patch7 -p1
%patch8 -p1
%patch9 -p1
%patch10 -p1

%build
CFLAGS=-O2 ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-newlib --target=mips-linux
cd texinfo
make all
cd ../gcc
make LANGUAGES="c" MAKEINFO=$RPM_BUILD_DIR/egcs-1.0.2/texinfo/makeinfo/makeinfo all

%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr
cd gcc
make LANGUAGES="c" MAKEINFO=$RPM_BUILD_DIR/egcs-1.0.2/texinfo/makeinfo/makeinfo install prefix=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr

%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/*-linux/egcs-*
/usr/bin/*

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From raiko@niisi.msk.ru  Mon May 24 10:00:41 1999
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Hello,

I've measured 2.2.1 on my Baget (r3k, 25 MHz) by lmbech and see that
context switching latency was increased. 2.2.1 latency is greater by 2
times for 2p/0K and almost the same for 16p/16K. The difference
decreased monotonically, so in the middle, i.e. for 8p/16K the
difference in 1.5 times greater. I didn't make further investigations
yet and before I'll do them, I'm very interesting in any suggestions
and/or experince with other MIPS boxes.

Regards,
Gleb.

From raiko@niisi.msk.ru  Mon May 24 10:05:42 1999
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Karel van Houten wrote:
> > 4. Something in the shutdown sequence doesn't seem to be correct,
> > although I'm going to try and track this one down myself.  If
> > root is mounted NFS, it goes into a loop saying
> > "RPC: sendmsg returned error 128"
> I think you are trying to remount a NFS mounted FS read-only, this might
> be an oversight of me checking the rc files.

It's the RH bug. The shutdown sequence switches off network first and
then unmounts the root fs.

Regards,
Gleb.

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Hello,

In the binutils spec file I saw the a.out patch which is not longer needed
as elf2ecoff (in arch/mips/boot) takes care of that. At least the 5000/33
booted it's own compiled kernel using binutils 2.8.1 without the a.out
patch.

Regards,
Richard

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On Mon, May 24, 1999 at 11:59:02AM +0400, Gleb O. Raiko wrote:

> I've measured 2.2.1 on my Baget (r3k, 25 MHz) by lmbech and see that
> context switching latency was increased. 2.2.1 latency is greater by 2
> times for 2p/0K and almost the same for 16p/16K. The difference
> decreased monotonically, so in the middle, i.e. for 8p/16K the
> difference in 1.5 times greater. I didn't make further investigations
> yet and before I'll do them, I'm very interesting in any suggestions
> and/or experince with other MIPS boxes.

This sounds almost like you experience a reduced cache hit rate.  Maybe
you changed something in the cacheflush routines?

  Ralf

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Hi,
	as promised I've packaged up util-linux with -mips1 flag,

The RPM is on

ftp://ftp.csn.ul.ie/pub/linux/mips/util-linux-2.7-19.mipsel.rpm
and
http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/mips/util-linux-2.7-19.mipsel.rpm

the SRPM is also available on the http site, as .src.rpm (not on ftp due
to a small space problem on the CSN ftp server..)..

Dave.

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From K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com  Tue May 25 15:45:44 1999
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David Airlie wrote: 
> Hi,
> 	as promised I've packaged up util-linux with -mips1 flag,
> 
> The RPM is on
> 
> ftp://ftp.csn.ul.ie/pub/linux/mips/util-linux-2.7-19.mipsel.rpm
> and
> http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied/mips/util-linux-2.7-19.mipsel.rpm
> 
> the SRPM is also available on the http site, as .src.rpm (not on ftp due
> to a small space problem on the CSN ftp server..)..

Great! I tried to compile 2.7-20 on myself, but it didn't work on R3k.
Your package works fine. I'll include it in declinuxroot as soon as
I find some time.

Regards,
Karel.
-- 
Karel van Houten

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The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better."
I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
----------------------------------------------------------


From K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com  Tue May 25 19:26:50 1999
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Subject: Booting 5000/240 from disk...
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Hi all, specially Harald :-)

My 260 boots fine from disk, using the NetBSD 1.0 bootloaders. So now
I tried this on a 240 (with a buggy prom that doesn't tftpboot), and
it just hang. I used the same kernel source / config as on my 260,
just changed the CPU type (the same kernel build runs fine over netboot
on a 3100).

Here are the 'last words'....

>>cnfg 3
 3: KN03-AA  DEC      V5.1b    TCF0  ( 32 MB)
                                     (enet: 08-00-2b-30-8b-e0)
                                     (SCSI = 7)
            ---------------------------------------------------
            DEV   PID                VID        REV    SCSI DEV
            ===== ================== ========== ====== ========
            rz1   RZ56     (C) DEC   DEC        0400   DIR
            rz3   RZ57     (C) DEC   DEC        5000   DIR

        dcache( 64 KB), icache( 64 KB)
        mem( 0):  a0000000:a07fffff  (  8 MB)
        mem( 1):  a0800000:a0ffffff  (  8 MB)
        mem( 2):  a1000000:a17fffff  (  8 MB)
        mem( 3):  a1800000:a1ffffff  (  8 MB)

>>boot 3/rz3/vmlinux -- console=ttyS2 root=/dev/nfs rw single
>> NetBSD/pmax Secondary Boot, Revision 1.0
>> (root@mona, Fri May  7 14:50:29 EST 1999)
Boot: 3/rz3/vmlinux
1366960+124128/[190+96192+90839]=0x199f3c
Starting at 0x800405cc

This DECstation is a DS5000/2x0

<Then nothing...>

-- 
Karel van Houten

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I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
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From R.vandenBerg@inter.NL.net  Tue May 25 22:17:21 1999
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Hello Karel,

On Tue, 25 May 1999, Karel van Houten wrote:

> Starting at 0x800405cc
> 
> This DECstation is a DS5000/2x0
> 
> <Then nothing...>

This looks just like linking with the -N flag (in arch/mips/Makefile).

Regards,
Richard

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Right just another update on my system here,

I have it mounting the declinuxroot + my util-linux from my SCSI HDD and I
can login on the serial console and also over the network ....

So I'm going to go for loading the kernel from the HDD next ..
(I have to upgrade my NetBSD install first of course.. )

Any ideas on what is wrong with swap?

Dave.

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From roganov@niisi.msk.ru  Wed May 26 18:59:58 1999
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Dave Airlie wrote:
> Any ideas on what is wrong with swap?

Last time I checked sources, data cache wasn't flashed. If Harald left
this while he commited r3k branch into CVS repository, it's still true.
Perhaps, you need to enable flushing of data cache, there should be a
define. Look at arch/mips/mm/r2300.c

Regards,
Gleb Raiko.

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Hello,

On 25-May-99 Karel van Houten wrote:
> My 260 boots fine from disk, using the NetBSD 1.0 bootloaders. So now
> I tried this on a 240 (with a buggy prom that doesn't tftpboot), and
> it just hang. I used the same kernel source / config as on my 260,

[snip]

> This DECstation is a DS5000/2x0
> 
> <Then nothing...>

Strange, exactly the same as your /260 before my patch, isn't it?

My first guess would be that not only tftp booting but also the
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---
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Could someone repost the URL to the FAQ?  I've got this DECStation 5000/25
that I'd like to try. I've done some MIPSeb work for the SGI port and
wouldn't mind helping out with mipsel.

- alex

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Hello Alex,

> Could someone repost the URL to the FAQ?  I've got this DECStation 5000/25
> that I'd like to try. I've done some MIPSeb work for the SGI port and
> wouldn't mind helping out with mipsel.

Great! You can find the current status of Linux on DECstation at
http://web.inter.nl.net/users/schnecke/mips/

Regards,
Richard

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On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 04:06:07PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote:

> Could someone repost the URL to the FAQ?  I've got this DECStation 5000/25
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> wouldn't mind helping out with mipsel.

The FAQ is archived in the CVS archive on linus.linux.sgi.com, repository
faq.

  Ralf

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Hi All,

We are urgently looking for Xserver situable for our Baget video card.
Curiously, it properly works only in TrueColor mode, (32bpp => cfb32
driver), 
so we are unable to use old 'XFree86-FBDev-3.3.2.8.mipseb.rpm'
distributed by SGI 
due it has support only for cfb8.

We are trying to recompile Xserver from sources, but it looks we need
some 
mips-specific patch: we have got a various errors during compilation.
But SRPM downloaded from SGI does not contain it as we expected.
We have applied tiny patch located at SGI /src subdirectory, but it
looks
we need something else...

If anybody has such patch or SRPM for FBDev server, please inform us !
If anybody will rebuild FBDev for MIPSEB, preparing regular package,
_please_ include support for recent modes: cfb16 and cfb32.

Thanks in advance,
Vladimir.

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Hello,

Does anybody know which kind of protection is encoded in ptrace.c:69:
(function get_long)

	/* This is a hack for non-kernel-mapped video buffers and similar */
	if (MAP_NR(page) >= MAP_NR(high_memory))
		return 0;

By this reason gdb shows all user-mapped io as zeros.

Same time, put_long enable to write to such memory !
So when You enter something like 'set *p = 0xff' gdb'ing program 
which has p->video_memory, You will see appearing pixels, but 'p *p' 
prints only zeros.

Elimination of this check does not destroy something: gdb shows right
values.

It looks clean  that above problem is not very important, but just
imagine 
programmer debugging some application for Linux used to control some
device 
on MIPS embedded computer, which mmap'ed to device registers and don't
understand 
why they are all clean :-)

Regards,
Vladimir.

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Hallo everyone,

as already mentioned some days ago I have rebuilt several RH60 source
packages for mipsel-Linux with glibc-2.0.7.  The first set of RPMs can be
found in ftp://bolug.uni-bonn.de/mips/. In addition to the other at least
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On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 02:34:22PM +0400, Vladimir A. Roganov wrote:

> We are urgently looking for Xserver situable for our Baget video card.
> Curiously, it properly works only in TrueColor mode, (32bpp => cfb32
> driver), so we are unable to use old 'XFree86-FBDev-3.3.2.8.mipseb.rpm'
> distributed by SGI due it has support only for cfb8.

Oh, all that server was afaik never tested on real hardware, so :-)))
I just built it because it was easy and I was assuming that it's going
to be ``obviously'' correct.

> We are trying to recompile Xserver from sources, but it looks we need
> some mips-specific patch: we have got a various errors during compilation.
> But SRPM downloaded from SGI does not contain it as we expected.
> We have applied tiny patch located at SGI /src subdirectory, but it
> looks we need something else...

The SRPM at SGI should really contain the necessary patch.  If there
isn't a *-mips* file in it something strange has happend.

> If anybody has such patch or SRPM for FBDev server, please inform us !
> If anybody will rebuild FBDev for MIPSEB, preparing regular package,
> _please_ include support for recent modes: cfb16 and cfb32.

My Origin doesn't have gfx, so don't hold your breath.  Yeah, Linxu/Origin!

  Ralf

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On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 04:17:42PM +0400, Vladimir A. Roganov wrote:

> Does anybody know which kind of protection is encoded in ptrace.c:69:
> (function get_long)
> 
> 	/* This is a hack for non-kernel-mapped video buffers and similar */
> 	if (MAP_NR(page) >= MAP_NR(high_memory))
> 		return 0;
> 
> By this reason gdb shows all user-mapped io as zeros.
> 
> Same time, put_long enable to write to such memory !
> So when You enter something like 'set *p = 0xff' gdb'ing program 
> which has p->video_memory, You will see appearing pixels, but 'p *p' 
> prints only zeros.
> 
> Elimination of this check does not destroy something: gdb shows right
> values.
> 
> It looks clean that above problem is not very important, but just
> imagine programmer debugging some application for Linux used to control
> some device on MIPS embedded computer, which mmap'ed to device registers
> and don't understand why they are all clean :-)

Basically I think you're right.  However a correct patch is slightly more
complex and will acount for the fact that KSEG0 through which we route
the access is only 512mb large.  Therefore we might have to install a
temporary mapping and access memory through it, if outside of the 512mb.
The other bug is that memory accesses via ptrace for virtual addresses
which are uncached would be executed cached, trouble ahead.  Further
complexity is added by handling write buffers for the R3000 and
virtual coherency for R4000.

  Ralf

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I was over in California a few weeks back and visited NEC Electronics
(NECEL).  They're the US arm of the of NEC and one of the main places
where MIPS stuff happens.

Some people at NECEL are keen to see Linux up and running on some of
their products, which might include evaluation boards and PDAs, with
CPUs from the tiny ones used in hand-helds (Vr41x1) to relatively big
ones being touted for high-end embedded (Vr54xx).

At this stage NECEL's support is likely to be moral rather than
financial; but they should be good for loan hardware and access to
documentation - which is often a problem with companies as large and
complex as NEC.  And if pilot work is successful, they might want to
spend money later.

My company's (Algorithmics') role is probably going to be subdued due
to massive overcommitments... but

1. we subscribe to this mailing list

2. we're interested in getting Linux running on our own hardware,
   which is not too different 

3. we're MIPS and OS kernel gurus who may be able to offer
   some technical support 

4. as Windows CE "systems integrators" we may be able to provide
   some help with bootstrapping WinCE-orientated machines.

I'd like to know whether something like this might inspire a few
volunteers who have the necessary skill, enthusiasm and time to spare.

Dominic Sweetman
Algorithmics Ltd
dom@algor.co.uk

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Ralf Baechle wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 02:34:22PM +0400, Vladimir A. Roganov wrote:
> 
> > We are urgently looking for Xserver situable for our Baget video card.
> > Curiously, it properly works only in TrueColor mode, (32bpp => cfb32
> > driver), so we are unable to use old 'XFree86-FBDev-3.3.2.8.mipseb.rpm'
> > distributed by SGI due it has support only for cfb8.
> 
> Oh, all that server was afaik never tested on real hardware, so :-)))
> I just built it because it was easy and I was assuming that it's going
> to be ``obviously'' correct.

Already tested -- it works !!!  So, thanks a lot.

Unfortunatly, our video card has inverted order of bytes, so we see any
four sequencial pixels in reversed order.

> 
> > We are trying to recompile Xserver from sources, but it looks we need
> > some mips-specific patch: we have got a various errors during compilation.
> > But SRPM downloaded from SGI does not contain it as we expected.
> > We have applied tiny patch located at SGI /src subdirectory, but it
> > looks we need something else...
> 
> The SRPM at SGI should really contain the necessary patch.  If there
> isn't a *-mips* file in it something strange has happend.

Okey.  We will looking for proper package...

> 
> > If anybody has such patch or SRPM for FBDev server, please inform us !
> > If anybody will rebuild FBDev for MIPSEB, preparing regular package,
> > _please_ include support for recent modes: cfb16 and cfb32.
> 
> My Origin doesn't have gfx, so don't hold your breath.  Yeah, Linxu/Origin!
> 
>  Ralf

Oh, hardware evaluates so rapidly...  New Baget has two PMC video cards :-)
   
Thanks,
Vladimir.

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Ralf Baechle wrote:
> 
> On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 04:17:42PM +0400, Vladimir A. Roganov wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody know which kind of protection is encoded in ptrace.c:69:
> > (function get_long)
> >
> >       /* This is a hack for non-kernel-mapped video buffers and similar */
> >       if (MAP_NR(page) >= MAP_NR(high_memory))
> >               return 0;
> >
> > By this reason gdb shows all user-mapped io as zeros.
> >
> > Same time, put_long enable to write to such memory !
> > So when You enter something like 'set *p = 0xff' gdb'ing program
> > which has p->video_memory, You will see appearing pixels, but 'p *p'
> > prints only zeros.
> >
> > Elimination of this check does not destroy something: gdb shows right
> > values.
> >
> > It looks clean that above problem is not very important, but just
> > imagine programmer debugging some application for Linux used to control
> > some device on MIPS embedded computer, which mmap'ed to device registers
> > and don't understand why they are all clean :-)
> 
> Basically I think you're right.  However a correct patch is slightly more
> complex and will acount for the fact that KSEG0 through which we route
> the access is only 512mb large.  Therefore we might have to install a
> temporary mapping and access memory through it, if outside of the 512mb.

YES!  

We are using such technique in our Baget/MIPS code.
We implemented try_read function which carefully read 1,2,4-long value from bus
which check for KSEGs, tunes TLB and catch SIGBUS.
Code is located in 'arch/mips/baget/bagetIRQ.S':


#define DBE_HANDLER       0x1C

NESTED(try_read, PT_SIZE, sp)
        mfc0    t3, CP0_STATUS          # save flags and
        CLI                             #  disable interrupts

        li      t0, KSEG2
        sltu    t1, t0, a0              # Is it KSEG2 address ?
        beqz    t1, mapped              # No - already mapped !

        move    t0, a0
        ori     t0, 0xfff
        xori    t0, 0xfff               # round address to page

        ori     t1, t0, 0xf00           # prepare EntryLo (N,V,D,G)

        mfc0    t2,   CP0_ENTRYHI       # save ASID value
        mtc0    zero, CP0_INDEX
        mtc0    t0,   CP0_ENTRYHI       # Load MMU values ...
        mtc0    t1,   CP0_ENTRYLO0
        nop                             # let it understand
        nop
        tlbwi                           # ... and write ones
        nop
        nop
        mtc0    t2,  CP0_ENTRYHI

mapped:
        la      t0, exception_handlers
        lw      t1, DBE_HANDLER(t0)     # save real handler
        la      t2, dbe_handler
        sw      t2, DBE_HANDLER(t0)     # set temporary local handler
        li      v0, -1                  # default (failure) value

        li      t2, 1
        beq     t2, a1, 1f
        li      t2, 2
        beq     t2, a1, 2f
        li      t2, 4
        beq     t2, a1, 4f
        b       out

1:      lbu     v0, (a0)                # byte
        b       out

2:      lhu     v0, (a0)                # short
        b       out

4:      lw      v0, (a0)                # word

out:
        sw      t1, DBE_HANDLER(t0)     # restore real handler
        mtc0    t3, CP0_STATUS          # restore CPU flags
        jr      ra

dbe_handler:
        li      v0, -1                  # mark our failure
        .set    push
        .set    noreorder
        b       out                     # "no problems !"
        rfe                             #   return from trap
        .set    pop
END(try_read)

We implemented it by very interesting reason: old Baget uses special
VIC register which exists on bus only (!!!) when interrupt is active.
But interrupt can be deactivated by external reason. In such case
IRQ handler catch SIGBUS, what crashes current process.

It was overwritten twice, and it looks debugged hardly :-)
May be it can help here.

> The other bug is that memory accesses via ptrace for virtual addresses
> which are uncached would be executed cached, trouble ahead.

YES, we obtained such effect.
To avoid it we just moved to physical address space (high bits are ignored),
but it is not good in general.

> Further complexity is added by handling write buffers for the R3000 and
> virtual coherency for R4000.
> 
>   Ralf

Yes, it should be tried to be fixed once for every arch.

Best wishes,
Vladimir.

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Harald Koerfgen writes:
>Hello,
>
>On 25-May-99 Karel van Houten wrote:
>> My 260 boots fine from disk, using the NetBSD 1.0 bootloaders. So now
>> I tried this on a 240 (with a buggy prom that doesn't tftpboot), and
>> it just hang. I used the same kernel source / config as on my 260,
>
>
>Strange, exactly the same as your /260 before my patch, isn't it?
>
>My first guess would be that not only tftp booting but also the
>rex_clearcache callback is broken. I'll see if I can hack something
>together.

I just got a 5000/150 to test it. This system has some hardware failure
that it doesn't RECEIVE anything from the network (PROM, NetBSD, Linux).

But I can the 5000/150 from disk, using NetBSD bootloader and the ELF kernel,
the same build that fails on the 240 (yes, the 240 uses the R3k kernel, the
150 uses the R4k kernel).

I think you might be right that it is a buggy prom. 

On the 150, the kernel even detects the disk and its NetBSD partitions
correctly, but fails on mounting NFS root. I'm afraid the mainboard
is broken.

Regards,
Karel.

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Hi,

> Harald Koerfgen writes:
> >On 25-May-99 Karel van Houten wrote:
> >> My 260 boots fine from disk, using the NetBSD 1.0 bootloaders. So now
> >> I tried this on a 240 (with a buggy prom that doesn't tftpboot), and
> >> it just hang. I used the same kernel source / config as on my 260,
> >
> >Strange, exactly the same as your /260 before my patch, isn't it?

Whats that patch exactly ?

> >My first guess would be that not only tftp booting but also the
> >rex_clearcache callback is broken. I'll see if I can hack something
> >together.
> 
> I just got a 5000/150 to test it. This system has some hardware failure
> that it doesn't RECEIVE anything from the network (PROM, NetBSD, Linux).

Hmmm, funny. I can't get my 5000/150 to work correctly with any kernel I
tried. It always hangs after the "This is a DECstation 5000/1xx" message.
I configured the kernel for R4000, of course (and the -N also isn't the
problem). Perhaps also a buggy PROM version? Which version do you have
in your 5000/150 ? The 5000/150 I have seems to hang just before calling
	jal loadmmu
or on return from the preceding instruction
	jal prom_init
in arch/mips/kernel/head.S as the last instruction in prom_init is 
definitely executed (I inserted a prom_printf there) and the next one in
loadmmu (hacked another prom_printf in there) isn't - maybe a stack
problem ?

regards,
	Michael

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Hello,

On 28-May-99 Michael Engel wrote:
> Whats that patch exactly ?

An additional call to rex_clear_cache() in prom_init().

> Hmmm, funny. I can't get my 5000/150 to work correctly with any kernel I
> tried. It always hangs after the "This is a DECstation 5000/1xx"
> message.
> I configured the kernel for R4000, of course (and the -N also isn't the
> problem). Perhaps also a buggy PROM version? Which version do you have
> in your 5000/150 ? The 5000/150 I have seems to hang just before calling
>       jal loadmmu
> or on return from the preceding instruction
>       jal prom_init
> in arch/mips/kernel/head.S as the last instruction in prom_init is 
> definitely executed (I inserted a prom_printf there) and the next one in
> loadmmu (hacked another prom_printf in there) isn't - maybe a stack
> problem ?

Michael, is that with or without r2300_patch?

If your source tree is without that patch, please apply it and tell me
what happens. There is a small difference in stack initialisation between
the two.

---
Regards,
Harald

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On 28-May-99 Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:
> I think you might be right that it is a buggy prom. 

Hmmm, I'm not shure anymore. This might be the same problem Michael is
experiencing. Karel, what source tree are you using?

If you are using the CVS soure tree, have you applied r2300_patch?

If you're still having older source trees, for example 2.1.121, do they
work?
 
> On the 150, the kernel even detects the disk and its NetBSD partitions
> correctly, but fails on mounting NFS root. I'm afraid the mainboard
> is broken.

Karel, I forgot to mention, after recognising that your patch for using
NetBSD partitions and the code for OSF partitions in genhd.c were nearly
identical I simply made support for OSF partitions a config option.

Fellow hackers, if you want to be able to access NetBSD partitions on your
DECstations just enable support for OSF partitions :-).
---
Regards,
Harald

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On Fri, May 28, 1999 at 01:19:45PM +0400, Vladimir A. Roganov wrote:

> We implemented it by very interesting reason: old Baget uses special
> VIC register which exists on bus only (!!!) when interrupt is active.
> But interrupt can be deactivated by external reason. In such case
> IRQ handler catch SIGBUS, what crashes current process.
> 
> It was overwritten twice, and it looks debugged hardly :-)
> May be it can help here.
> 
> > The other bug is that memory accesses via ptrace for virtual addresses
> > which are uncached would be executed cached, trouble ahead.
> 
> YES, we obtained such effect.
> To avoid it we just moved to physical address space (high bits are ignored),
> but it is not good in general.
> 
> > Further complexity is added by handling write buffers for the R3000 and
> > virtual coherency for R4000.
>
> Yes, it should be tried to be fixed once for every arch.

That means we need something like read_phys() and write_phys() for all
CPU variants, even board variations.  The functions needs to get passed
an virtual address as well such that it can deal with virtual coherency
on R4000.

Then again R10k does this in hardware, so why bother ;-)

  Ralf

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Subject: Re: 5000/150 problem ...
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Harald wrote:
> On 28-May-99 Michael Engel wrote:
> > Whats that patch exactly ?
> 
> An additional call to rex_clear_cache() in prom_init().
> 
> > Hmmm, funny. I can't get my 5000/150 to work correctly with any kernel I
> > tried. It always hangs after the "This is a DECstation 5000/1xx"
> > message.
> > I configured the kernel for R4000, of course (and the -N also isn't the
> > problem). Perhaps also a buggy PROM version? Which version do you have
> > in your 5000/150 ? The 5000/150 I have seems to hang just before calling
> >       jal loadmmu
> > or on return from the preceding instruction
> >       jal prom_init
> > in arch/mips/kernel/head.S as the last instruction in prom_init is 
> > definitely executed (I inserted a prom_printf there) and the next one in
> > loadmmu (hacked another prom_printf in there) isn't - maybe a stack
> > problem ?
> 
> Michael, is that with or without r2300_patch?
> 
> If your source tree is without that patch, please apply it and tell me
> what happens. There is a small difference in stack initialisation between
> the two.

My kernel I used for the /150 has the r2300_patch, and harald extra 
call to rex_clear_cache() in prom_init().
As mentioned, I used the NetBSD bootloader to get the image loaded,
but only because of the hardware problem.

You can try my images, they are available on
http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel

I can't show you the bootlog at the moment, I didn't save it,
and the system is powered-down at my office...

-- 
Karel van Houten

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I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. 
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Subject: Re: Booting 5000/240 from disk...
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Harald wrote:
> 
> Karel, I forgot to mention, after recognising that your patch for using
> NetBSD partitions and the code for OSF partitions in genhd.c were nearly
> identical I simply made support for OSF partitions a config option.
> 
> Fellow hackers, if you want to be able to access NetBSD partitions on your
> DECstations just enable support for OSF partitions :-).

I just looked at the OSF code, it should work with NetBSD pmax partitions,
but it is not as flexable as my code. The partition table checksum is
not verified, and this code works only for tables at 64byte offset.
Also Big Endian disklabels will not work.

But I totally agree that we should use only ONE option. Maybe I should
integrate my changes with the OSF code? Any comments?

-- 
Karel van Houten

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hi,
	I finally got enough of NetBSD 1.4 installed to allow me to use
the boot blocks, so I now do a 

KN02-AA V5.3c   
>>boot 5/rz1/vmlinux -- console=ttyS2 root=/dev/sda1
>> NetBSD/pmax Secondary Boot, Revision 1.0
>> (root@mona, Fri May  7 14:50:29 EST 1999)
Boot: 5/rz1/vmlinux
1368912+114544 [171+78176+62248]=0x18caf8
Starting at 0x800405cc

This DECstation is a DS5000/200

And similiar to a lot of other reports I get a hang, 

kernel is CVS from about May 20th, with r2300 patch, my own esp driver,
pmaz patch and -N, also a kernel make from the vmlinux file with make
boot, boots fine over tftp.....

Dave.

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Hi Dave,

Dave wrote:
> 	I finally got enough of NetBSD 1.4 installed to allow me to use
> the boot blocks, so I now do a 
> 
> KN02-AA V5.3c   
> >>boot 5/rz1/vmlinux -- console=ttyS2 root=/dev/sda1
> >> NetBSD/pmax Secondary Boot, Revision 1.0
> >> (root@mona, Fri May  7 14:50:29 EST 1999)
> Boot: 5/rz1/vmlinux
> 1368912+114544 [171+78176+62248]=0x18caf8
> Starting at 0x800405cc
> 
> This DECstation is a DS5000/200
> 
> And similiar to a lot of other reports I get a hang, 
> 
> kernel is CVS from about May 20th, with r2300 patch, my own esp driver,
> pmaz patch and -N, also a kernel make from the vmlinux file with make
> boot, boots fine over tftp.....

I never tried a 5000/200. You could try to use my kernel images, which
are available at my web site (Use the ELF kernel). That one I've tested
on a 3100, a 5000/150, and a 5000/260. It doesn't contain
your esp patch, because activating the TC SCSI card results in a SCSI hang
during boot at my system (or do you think that's fixed now?).

One thing you could check is in arch/mips/dec/prom/init.c
There should be the following code (near line 86):

	which_prom(magic, prom_vec);

	if (magic == REX_PROM_MAGIC)
	    rex_clear_cache();

Regards,
-- 
Karel van Houten

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Hi Michael,

Michael Engel writes:
>
>Hmmm, funny. I can't get my 5000/150 to work correctly with any kernel I
>tried. It always hangs after the "This is a DECstation 5000/1xx" message.
>I configured the kernel for R4000, of course (and the -N also isn't the
>problem). Perhaps also a buggy PROM version? Which version do you have
>in your 5000/150 ? The 5000/150 I have seems to hang just before calling
>	jal loadmmu
>or on return from the preceding instruction
>	jal prom_init
>in arch/mips/kernel/head.S as the last instruction in prom_init is 
>definitely executed (I inserted a prom_printf there) and the next one in
>loadmmu (hacked another prom_printf in there) isn't - maybe a stack
>problem ?

Maybe you could try my compiled kernel images, see my website.
My kernel produces the following on my /150:


KN04 V2.1k
>>cnfg
 3: KN04     DEC      V2.1k    TCF0  ( 32 MB)
                                     (enet: 08-00-2b-26-47-f0)
                                     (SCSI = 7)
>>cnfg 3
 3: KN04     DEC      V2.1k    TCF0  ( 32 MB)
                                     (enet: 08-00-2b-26-47-f0)
                                     (SCSI = 7)
            ---------------------------------------------------
            DEV   PID                VID        REV    SCSI DEV
            ===== ================== ========== ====== ========
            rz0   RZ56     (C) DEC   DEC        0400   DIR
            rz5   RX23     (C) DEC   DEC        0054   DIR

        cache: I( 8 KB), D( 8 KB), S(1024 KB);  Scache line (32 bytes)
        processor revision (3.0)
        mem( 0):  a0000000:a0ffffff  ( 16 MB)
        mem( 1):  a1000000:a1ffffff  ( 16 MB)
>>boot 3/rz0/vmlinuxR4 -- console=ttyS2 single rw
>> NetBSD/pmax Secondary Boot, Revision 1.0
>> (root@mona, Fri Apr 23 08:13:18 EST 1999)
Boot: 3/rz0/vmlinuxR4
1239984+124128-[190+96128+90801]=0x17aed8
Starting at 0x800405cc

This DECstation is a DS5000/1xx
Loading R4000 MMU routines.
CPU revision is: 00000430
Primary instruction cache 8kb, linesize 16 bytes)
Primary data cache 8kb, linesize 16 bytes)
Secondary cache sized at 1024K linesize 32
Linux version 2.2.1 (root@elrond) (gcc version egcs-2.90.27 980315 (egcs-1.0.2 release)) #2 Sun May 23 11:29:22 MEST 1999
Calibrating delay loop... 49.81 BogoMIPS
Memory: 30820k/32764k available (1080k kernel code, 576k data)
Checking for 'wait' instruction...  unavailable.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
TURBOchannel rev. 1 at 12.5 MHz (no parity)
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
Starting kswapd v 1.5
DECstation Z8530 serial driver version 0.03
tty00 at 0xbc100001 (irq = 4) is a Z85C30 SCC
tty01 at 0xbc100009 (irq = 4) is a Z85C30 SCC
tty02 at 0xbc180001 (irq = 4) is a Z85C30 SCC
tty03 at 0xbc180009 (irq = 4) is a Z85C30 SCC
loop: registered device at major 7
SCSI ID 7  Clock 25 MHz CCF=0 Time-Out 167 NCR53C9x(esp236) detected
ESP: Total of 1 ESP hosts found, 1 actually in use.
scsi0 : ESP236
scsi : 1 host.
  Vendor: DEC       Model: RZ56     (C) DEC  Rev: 0400
  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 01 CCS
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk total.
SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1299174 [634 MB] [0.6 GB]
declance.c: v0.008 by Linux Mips DECstation task force
eth0: IOASIC onboard LANCE, addr = 08:00:2b:26:47:f0, irq = 3
Sending BOOTP requests............. timeout
Partition check:
 sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 (NETBSD partition table, LE, offset 64)
VFS: Unable to mount root fs via NFS, trying floppy.
request_module[block-major-2]: Root fs not mounted
VFS: Cannot open root device 02:00
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 02:00

Regards,
Karel.

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Hi,

as some of you might know, Karsten Merker and I have been working on 
framebuffer console/keyboard/mouse support for the DECstations during the
last weeks. Our work is still based on 2.1.131 and also needs lots of
work but I wanted to give a short status report.

What works for us now:
- framebuffer console support for the MAXINE onboard framebuffer (1024x768
  with 8 bit color depth)
- Access.Bus keyboard and mouse (LK501 and VSXXX-BB/GB) - mostly. There seems 
  to be some packet loss on the Bus left ... sometimes the mouse jumps ...
- PMAG-BA rudimentary support (color map still garbled, black text on pink
  background ;-)) - since yesterday evening ;-)
- framebuffer X11 3.3.2 (?) server works with both graphics adapters

What I'm currently working on:
- integrating the code in 2.2.1 
- eliminating the packet loss on Access.Bus
- keyboard/mouse driver for non-AccessBus (zs/dz-based) DECstations
- support for the PMAGB-B graphics card
- non US keyboard mappings

Sorry, no patch yet but I promise to publish one as soon as I get the
code running with 2.2.1.

Any ideas what else to support are welcome. No, I don't have any docs on
the PMAG-E and -F ;-).

Additionally, we had the idea to run decstation.unix-ag.org on a 
DECstation running Linux as this would be a nice real-world test (it's
currently running on a Pentium-166 with FreeBSD). This should also
happen this week and - of course - I'll also bring the web pages up 
to date (finally ... sorry, I had to get my mathematics diploma - this
was unfortunately more important ;-)).

regards,
	Michael


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Hello Michael,

On Mon, 31 May 1999, Michael Engel wrote:

> Any ideas what else to support are welcome. No, I don't have any docs on
> the PMAG-E and -F ;-).

A double headed system? Currently I have a PMAGB-B in the 5000/25,
so it can be triple headed with a terminal attached. ;-)

Thank you for the update!

Regards,
Richard

