From paenicua89@kumagaku.ac.jp Sat May 2 07:09:10 1998 Received: from ee.ubc.ca (fs3.ee.ubc.ca [137.82.52.241]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id HAA14517; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:09:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:09:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from range.ece.ubc.ca.ubc.ca by ee.ubc.ca (0/0 = undefined) id WAA13563; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:05:53 -0700 Received: from Default by range.ece.ubc.ca.ubc.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA25134; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:59:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:59:21 -0700 To: paenicua89@kumagaku.ac.jp From: paenicua89@kumagaku.ac.jp (hlthnbty) Comments: Authenticated sender is Subject: Health & Beauty Message-Id: <199805014450TAA27216@health548.14beauty.ee.ubc.ca> Content-Length: 102 Lines: 4 Most exciting product on the health market. Don't miss this opportunity and look at our web site: w From hubbardj@earthlink.net Sun May 3 00:45:37 1998 Received: from norway.it.earthlink.net (norway-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.49]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA21906; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:45:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:45:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net (1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net [153.36.87.243]) by norway.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20245 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net>; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> From: Thatcher Hubbard To: "'linux-mips@fnet.fr'" Subject: Magnum 4000PC Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:33:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 587 Lines: 12 Hi,=20 I'll apologize in advance if I'm directing this to the wrong place, = but this was the only reference to the Magnum I could find. 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Thatcher Hubbard From rji@bristol.st.com Tue May 5 15:13:37 1998 Received: from poke.dmz.st.com (poke.stmicroelectronics.com [195.101.81.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA13277; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:13:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:13:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from thistle.inmos.co.uk (thistle.bri.st.com [138.198.1.7]) by poke.dmz.st.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24957; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:13:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from panther ([138.198.35.30]) by thistle.inmos.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 0yWhWi-00055e-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:12:56 +0100 Received: from rji by panther with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0yWhWt-0000DX-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:13:07 +0100 From: Richard Ingram Message-Id: <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:13:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: Thatcher Hubbard "Magnum 4000PC" (May 2, 5:33pm) References: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Magnum 4000PC Cc: hubbardj@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1568 Lines: 38 On May 2, 5:33pm, Thatcher Hubbard wrote: > Subject: Magnum 4000PC > > I'll apologize in advance if I'm directing this to the wrong place, but this > was the only reference to the Magnum I could find. I recently found one lying > around and I basically know nothing about it other than that it has the video > card, sound card, and the little card with the serial and parallel ports on > it. It seem like a neat machine, but I need to put a hard drive, power > supply, and memory in it, as well as find a monitor for it. Can you tell me > anything about what I can do with this, or where I can find more info? OK, most important thing is it has a video card! OK to get it working you need to populate the first 4 SIMM slots with true parity SIMMs, I would recomend 8MB simms as prices are pretty reasonable. Next get hold of a SCSI disk a SCSI CD-ROM and 3.5 inch disk for OS installation purposes. For a monitor any Multi-Sync should do. You have 2 choices OS wise, NT or Linux. Maybe getting NT up and running would prove that the machine is working. You could then get to installing Linux. I recommend getting to Linux as quick as possible. Unless you have MSC++ for Mips then development under Mips/NT would be nigh on impossable - unless someone had GCC etc under NT ported ?? I have not done any of this yet even though I have a 4000PC and SC. I just need to get the memory now prices are reasonable Q to other people, what is the status of Magnum Linux now ?? Hope this helps, any more Q's e-mail me and I will see what I can do. Richard. -- From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue May 5 15:57:23 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA13486; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:57:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:57:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10893 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:57:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA09877; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:56:40 +0200 Message-ID: <19980505155638.52913@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:56:38 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: hubbardj@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Magnum 4000PC References: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com>; from Richard Ingram on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 02:13:07PM +0100 Content-Length: 1178 Lines: 27 On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 02:13:07PM +0100, Richard Ingram wrote: > then development under Mips/NT would be nigh on impossable - unless someone had > GCC etc under NT ported ?? The WIN32 stuff in binutils isn't easy to make work on MIPS. Let alone something gcc. So that's going to be real fun if somebody really want to support the dark side's stuff. > I have not done any of this yet even though I have a 4000PC and SC. I just need > to get the memory now prices are reasonable > > Q to other people, what is the status of Magnum Linux now ?? Onboard SCSI and Ethernet working and apparently stable enough to make the bug in the generic code the limiting factor. No nice installer, X. SC CPUs still aren't supported but the basic framework to fix the SC problems is now in the kernel. And without benchmarking I dare to say it's faster than RISC/os. Most important, several satisfied customers ... Btw, has anybody tested if a Magnum without gfx card but configured to use it will be smart enough to somehow answer on the serial if? Otherwise I see real trouble for the guys without gfx card. Won't be hard to support (E)ISA gfx cards as replacement, btw. Ralf From rji@bristol.st.com Tue May 5 17:01:58 1998 Received: from poke.dmz.st.com (poke.stmicroelectronics.com [195.101.81.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA13870; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:01:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:01:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from thistle.inmos.co.uk (thistle.bri.st.com [138.198.1.7]) by poke.dmz.st.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00301 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:01:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from panther ([138.198.35.30]) by thistle.inmos.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for linux-mips@fnet.fr id 0yWjDZ-0006zr-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:01:17 +0100 Received: from rji by panther with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0yWjDm-0002YN-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:01:30 +0100 From: Richard Ingram Message-Id: <9805051601.ZM9817@bristol.st.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:01:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de "Re: Magnum 4000PC" (May 5, 3:56pm) References: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com> <19980505155638.52913@uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Magnum 4000PC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 994 Lines: 27 > The WIN32 stuff in binutils isn't easy to make work on MIPS. Let alone > something gcc. So that's going to be real fun if somebody really want to > support the dark side's stuff. I see no reason to even try this - except for the technical challenge of course. > SC CPUs still aren't supported but the basic framework to fix the SC problems > is now in the kernel. And without benchmarking I dare to say it's faster than > RISC/os. Most important, several satisfied customers ... Thats good news, and I hope to be one of these customers soon.... after getting my Sun3 setup with the latest NetBSD. > Won't be hard to support (E)ISA gfx cards as replacement, btw. Now that is interesting, I recall a discussion about this a while back either here or on comp.sys.mips. So how would it work - can't remember what the outcome was. I have no technical docs on the 4000 series Magnums - though have the origional tech docs for the R3000 Magnums (which I also have one of). Richard. -- From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue May 5 17:19:18 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA13973; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:19:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:19:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17816 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:19:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10185; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:19:00 +0200 Message-ID: <19980505171900.33521@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:19:00 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Magnum 4000PC References: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com> <19980505155638.52913@uni-koblenz.de> <9805051601.ZM9817@bristol.st.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <9805051601.ZM9817@bristol.st.com>; from Richard Ingram on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:01:30PM +0100 Content-Length: 946 Lines: 21 On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:01:30PM +0100, Richard Ingram wrote: > > SC CPUs still aren't supported but the basic framework to fix the SC problems > > is now in the kernel. And without benchmarking I dare to say it's faster > than > > RISC/os. Most important, several satisfied customers ... > > Thats good news, and I hope to be one of these customers soon.... after getting > my Sun3 setup with the latest NetBSD. > > > Won't be hard to support (E)ISA gfx cards as replacement, btw. > > Now that is interesting, I recall a discussion about this a while back either > here or on comp.sys.mips. So how would it work - can't remember what the > outcome was. I have no technical docs on the 4000 series Magnums - though have > the origional tech docs for the R3000 Magnums (which I also have one of). The problem is can we setup the machine for booting without having such a card? The (E)ISA gfx card stuff by itself is not to hard. Ralf From tsbogend@alpha.franken.de Tue May 5 23:58:24 1998 Received: from louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr (louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr [194.199.90.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id XAA19756; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:58:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alpha.franken.de (tsbogend@alpha.franken.de [193.175.24.68]) by louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/980318/louis-blanc); id XAA06177; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:58:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA02648; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:56:57 +0200 Message-ID: <19980505235657.55096@alpha.franken.de> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:56:57 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Magnum 4000PC References: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com> <19980505155638.52913@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980505155638.52913@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:56:38PM +0200 Content-Length: 519 Lines: 13 On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:56:38PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Onboard SCSI and Ethernet working and apparently stable enough to make the Onboard Ethernet is still broken. You can do a nfsroot boot into /bin/sh, but no full /etc/rc.d/* boot up. I know what's broken, but as always no time to fix it, sorry. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed May 6 00:48:26 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA21210; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:48:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:48:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-22.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.22]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17274 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:48:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA11942; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: <19980506004753.20885@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:47:53 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Magnum 4000PC References: <01BD75F2.2AE2BD40@1Cust243.tnt12.atl2.da.uu.net> <9805051413.ZM837@bristol.st.com> <19980505155638.52913@uni-koblenz.de> <19980505235657.55096@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980505235657.55096@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:56:57PM +0200 Content-Length: 516 Lines: 13 On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:56:57PM +0200, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:56:38PM +0200, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Onboard SCSI and Ethernet working and apparently stable enough to make the > > Onboard Ethernet is still broken. You can do a nfsroot boot into /bin/sh, but > no full /etc/rc.d/* boot up. I know what's broken, but as always no time to > fix it, sorry. Hmm... when I tried last on the Acer the driver worked fine until _I_, not the driver decieded to reboot :-) Ralf From kristoff.bonne@belbone.net Thu May 7 13:44:59 1998 Received: from mail.belbone.be (mail.belbone.be [195.13.1.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA06273; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:44:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:44:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (unknown.belbone.be [195.13.1.182] (may be forged)) by mail.belbone.be (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08065 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:44:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (jupiler.belbone.be [192.168.1.182]) by jupiler.belbone.be (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17769 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:44:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805071144.NAA17769@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:44:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Kristoff Bonne Reply-To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: dhqxzGHt3+iDbn2WT3yfgw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Content-Length: 932 Lines: 26 Greetings, I've tried booting a linux-kernel on my personal DECstation 5000/33, but it failed. What I did was this: - I FTPed the binary image of the 2.1.14pl2 kernel from http://decstation.unix-ag.org/kernels/ - copied it onto the rz-25 drive of my DS5000 (currently running NetBSD 1.2), and called it 'vmlinux' - did a 'halt' and 'boot 3/rz4/vmlinux'. - I got the following messages: 3/rz4/vmlinux: bad magic 40162 Can't boot '3/rz4/vmlinux' Is this because I copied the file onto my disk (and hence don't use TFTP) Is there somewhere a 'HOWTO' on how to start with linux/MIPS? (I have a sun sitting just next to my dec-station. What's the fasted way to set up a bootp and tftp on a sun running solaris 2.6) Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 From Blaise@inscriber.com Fri May 8 20:10:50 1998 Received: from sys2.toronto.psi.ca (sys2.toronto.psi.ca [154.11.136.6]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA19088; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:10:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:10:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail.inorth.com (inscriber.com [207.219.172.1]) by sys2.toronto.psi.ca (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id OAA05029 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BEAST.inorth.com by mail.inorth.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id KLDHX7Z1; Fri, 8 May 1998 14:05:22 -0400 Message-ID: <35534958.E506E091@inscriber.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 14:05:12 -0400 From: Blaise St-Laurent X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: A couple of questions regarding your project. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 475 Lines: 15 Is the DECStation personnal 5000/33 supported (i just picked one up at a surplus sale and am debating between using Linux/OpenBSD/NetBSD)? If not, how long until it is working? Will any versions of X run on this platform? Are there any different displays on these machines, if so are there drivers for them all? Would it be possible to get a set of boot floppies up and running which could read ULTRIX filesystems? Thanks in advance for all your help. Blaise St-Laurent From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Sat May 9 17:47:51 1998 Received: from mail1.netcologne.de (mail1.netcologne.de [194.8.194.104]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA29416; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:47:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:47:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from franz.no.dom (pool3-97.netcologne.de [195.14.235.97]) by mail1.netcologne.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00690; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:48:30 +0200 (MET DST) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805071144.NAA17769@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:48:03 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.no.dom From: Harald Koerfgen To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Length: 1392 Lines: 42 Hello Kristoff, On 07-May-98 Kristoff Bonne wrote: > Greetings, > > I've tried booting a linux-kernel on my personal DECstation 5000/33, but it > failed. > What I did was this: > - I FTPed the binary image of the 2.1.14pl2 kernel from > http://decstation.unix-ag.org/kernels/ > - copied it onto the rz-25 drive of my DS5000 (currently running NetBSD 1.2), > and called it 'vmlinux' > - did a 'halt' and 'boot 3/rz4/vmlinux'. > - I got the following messages: > 3/rz4/vmlinux: bad magic 40162 > Can't boot '3/rz4/vmlinux' > > > Is this because I copied the file onto my disk (and hence don't use TFTP) No, this method works with proper kernel images. I am using this to test kernels on my DS 5000/240, which doesn't boot via tftp. I guess there is something wrong with the binary image, maybe still zipped? > Is there somewhere a 'HOWTO' on how to start with linux/MIPS? No, not yet. The Documentation on http://decstation.unix-ag.org is all we have. > (I have a sun sitting just next to my dec-station. What's the fasted way to set > up a bootp and tftp on a sun running solaris 2.6) I'm afraid I am not able to help you with this. > Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. > -- > Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia > (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone > Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 --- Regards, Harald From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Sat May 9 17:53:43 1998 Received: from mail1.netcologne.de (mail1.netcologne.de [194.8.194.104]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA29472; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from franz.no.dom (pool3-97.netcologne.de [195.14.235.97]) by mail1.netcologne.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00705; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:48:44 +0200 (MET DST) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <35534958.E506E091@inscriber.com> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:48:16 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.no.dom From: Harald Koerfgen To: Blaise St-Laurent Subject: RE: A couple of questions regarding your project. Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Length: 773 Lines: 27 Hello Blaise, On 08-May-98 Blaise St-Laurent wrote: > Is the DECStation personnal 5000/33 supported (i just picked one up at a > surplus sale and am debating between using Linux/OpenBSD/NetBSD)? You may want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org for the status of DECstation-Linux. > If not, how long until it is working? That depends on the number of people working on this, if you are willing to help you're welcome :-). > Will any versions of X run on this platform? > Are there any different displays on these machines, if so are there > drivers for them all? > Would it be possible to get a set of boot floppies up and running which > could read ULTRIX filesystems? > > Thanks in advance for all your help. > > Blaise St-Laurent --- Regards, Harald From pmauriks@ue.com.au Sat May 9 16:45:17 1998 Received: from mail.mel.aone.net.au (mail.mel.aone.net.au [203.12.176.157]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA28327; Sat, 9 May 1998 16:45:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:45:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from nemesis.ue.com.au (mail.ue.com.au [203.103.135.130]) by mail.mel.aone.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13543 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 00:44:58 +1000 (EST) Received: by nemesis.ue.com.au (8.6.12) id AAA21210; Sun, 10 May 1998 00:44:57 +1000 Received: from mail.ue.com.au(146.178.75.10) by nemesis.ue.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma021128; Sun May 10 00:42:43 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: 10 May 98 00:42:02 -1000 From: "Mauriks Paul" Subject: RE:A couple of questions regarding your project. Reply-To: pmauriks@ue.com.au In-Reply-To: A couple of questions regarding your project. Message-Id: <9805100042.aa02@UEMAIL4.> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 674 Lines: 21 None of the Digital Machines (as far as I know) supports booting from floppy disk. Other available options are CD-ROM, Tape, Network and of course Hard-disk. Blaise St-Laurent: >Is the DECStation personnal 5000/33 supported (i just picked one up at a >surplus sale and am debating between using Linux/OpenBSD/NetBSD)? If >not, how long until it is working? > >Will any versions of X run on this platform? > >Are there any different displays on these machines, if so are there >drivers for them all? > >Would it be possible to get a set of boot floppies up and running which >could read ULTRIX filesystems? > >Thanks in advance for all your help. > >Blaise St-Laurent > > From kristoff.bonne@belbone.net Mon May 11 16:11:32 1998 Received: from mail.belbone.be (mail.belbone.be [195.13.1.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA00801; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:11:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:11:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (unknown-1-182.belbone.be [195.13.1.182]) by mail.belbone.be (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18143; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:04:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (jupiler.belbone.be [192.168.1.182]) by jupiler.belbone.be (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22803; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:04:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805111404.QAA22803@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:04:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Kristoff Bonne Reply-To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: bzr0ATG+4iMW+3LCX8Oz4w== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Content-Length: 1702 Lines: 47 Gegroet, > Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:48:03 +0200 (MEST) > From: Harald Koerfgen > To: Kristoff Bonne > Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 > Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr > On 07-May-98 Kristoff Bonne wrote: >> I've tried booting a linux-kernel on my personal DECstation 5000/33, but it >> failed. >> What I did was this: >> - I FTPed the binary image of the 2.1.14pl2 kernel from >> http://decstation.unix-ag.org/kernels/ >> - copied it onto the rz-25 drive of my DS5000 (currently running NetBSD 1.2), >> and called it 'vmlinux' >> - did a 'halt' and 'boot 3/rz4/vmlinux'. >> - I got the following messages: >> 3/rz4/vmlinux: bad magic 40162 >> Can't boot '3/rz4/vmlinux' >> Is this because I copied the file onto my disk (and hence don't use TFTP) > No, this method works with proper kernel images. I am using this to test > kernels on my DS 5000/240, which doesn't boot via tftp. I guess there is > something wrong with the binary image, maybe still zipped? Well, I tried it again, to be sure: I 'lynx'ed the binary kernel from http://decstation.unix-ag.org, did 'gzip -d vmlinux-2.1.14-070298.gz' and did a 'mv vmlinux-2.1.14-070298 vmlinux'. After that: $ halt >>> boot 3/rz4/vmlinux The same result. Can't it be because of some part of the 'disklabel' code of the netbsd 1.2. (you know the 'bootrz' and 'rzboot'-files?) I've read things about the 'milo' in this list. (Or am I mixing-up some things!) Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 From ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon May 11 16:29:19 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA01309; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:29:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:29:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zaphod (zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25598; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:29:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id QAA28270; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:29:08 +0200 Message-ID: <19980511162907.10818@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:29:07 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Kristoff Bonne Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Subject: Re: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 References: <199805111404.QAA22803@jupiler.belbone.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199805111404.QAA22803@jupiler.belbone.be>; from Kristoff Bonne on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 04:04:37PM +0200 Content-Length: 240 Lines: 8 On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 04:04:37PM +0200, Kristoff Bonne wrote: > I've read things about the 'milo' in this list. (Or am I mixing-up some things!) Milo is the boot loader for the ARC firmware. You don't need it for a DECstation. Ralf From lebailli@dtc.net Tue May 12 05:20:06 1998 Received: from dtc.net (root@dtc.net [206.242.217.15]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA08777; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from dtc.net (oadlebai@p5.ts1.dtc.net [205.183.130.5]) by dtc.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA24181 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:30:35 GMT Sender: oadlebai@dtc.net Message-ID: <3557BFFE.99458B6D@dtc.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:20:30 +0000 From: "Olivier A. D. Lebaillif" Reply-To: olivier.lebaillif@ifrsys.com Organization: IFR Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Hello Guys ! X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1325 Lines: 31 Je me permet de vous envoyer un petit email. Tout d'abord felicitation pour tout le bon boulot que vous faites (avez fait!) Cela fait plaisir a voir. Je travaille pour IFR Systems, Inc. a Wichita, Kansas et mon departement informatique vient de me faire cadeau (plus pour se debarasser qu'autre chose) d'une vielle DECworkstation 3100 avec 16Mb RAM et quelques centaines de Meg disk. J'ai suivit depuis tres longtemps l'evolution de Linux (toutes les raisons que vous citez sur votre page web concernant l'emploie de Linux sur tout ce qui "compute" sont excellentes) J'aimerais si possible participer a l'effort concernant Linux Mips. Si vous voulez bien de moi (et de quelques autres membres de mon departement) c'est avec plaisir que l'on experimentera tout ce que vous voulez. Nous n'avons pas enorment de ressources mais on devrait pouvoir se debrouiller, en bref en plus du vieux DEC on a quelques Sparc en Solaris 2.5 et beaucoup de Linux/i386. Je devrais pouvoir isoler quelques machines (au moins un PC et une Sparc) pour faire du cross-development si cela peut vous etre utile. Bref, voila la petite histoire ! On meurt d'envie de faire parler de Linux !!! J'espere que vous n'hesiterez pas a me contacter: Olivier Lebaillif IFR Systems, Inc Olivier.Lebaillif@ifrsys.com (ou lebailli@dtc.net (home)) Atchao From kristoff.bonne@belbone.net Tue May 12 11:54:39 1998 Received: from mail.belbone.be (mail.belbone.be [195.13.1.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id LAA11707; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:54:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:54:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (unknown-1-182.belbone.be [195.13.1.182]) by mail.belbone.be (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07015; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:52:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (jupiler.belbone.be [192.168.1.182]) by jupiler.belbone.be (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29922; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:52:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805120952.LAA29922@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:52:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Kristoff Bonne Reply-To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: Re: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 To: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: QeJtl8VaGI5LuiJIymTSHQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Content-Length: 894 Lines: 26 Gegroet, > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:29:07 +0200 > From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de > To: Kristoff Bonne > Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de > Subject: Re: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 >> I've read things about the 'milo' in this list. (Or am I mixing-up some >> things!) > Milo is the boot loader for the ARC firmware. You don't need it > for a DECstation. Don't we need to 'prepare' the disk (a RZ25 in my case) using a 'disklabel'-command? It has been configured by NetBSDs 'disklabel' with the 'bootrz' and 'rzboot'-files. Is it possible these 'programs' don't recognize the linux-kernel and hence refuses to boot it? Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Wed May 13 20:36:07 1998 Received: from mail1.netcologne.de (mail1.netcologne.de [194.8.194.104]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA23953; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:36:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:36:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from franz.no.dom (pool3-198.netcologne.de [195.14.235.198]) by mail1.netcologne.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06977; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:36:35 +0200 (MET DST) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805111404.QAA22803@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:36:08 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.no.dom From: Harald Koerfgen To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Length: 1381 Lines: 44 Hello Kristoff, On 11-May-98 Kristoff Bonne wrote: > Gegroet, > [some snippage ...] > Well, I tried it again, to be sure: > I 'lynx'ed the binary kernel from http://decstation.unix-ag.org, did 'gzip -d > vmlinux-2.1.14-070298.gz' and did a 'mv vmlinux-2.1.14-070298 vmlinux'. > > After that: > $ halt >>>> boot 3/rz4/vmlinux > > The same result. > > Can't it be because of some part of the 'disklabel' code of the netbsd 1.2. > (you know the 'bootrz' and 'rzboot'-files?) Without having a chance to test this, I'd guess you're right. The method you described does work with ultrixboot indeed, but I don't have any idea if this would work with with the NetBSD startup process. If I were you, I'd either play around with arch/mips/dec/boot/ld.ecoff to build an ELF Kernel and use NetBSD's elf2ecoff, or set up an tftpd on anouther machine. I can assure you, that booting via tftp works with DECstation-Linux-2.1.73, at least on those DECstations without buggy PROMS :-). > I've read things about the 'milo' in this list. (Or am I mixing-up some things!) The DECstations will definitly need another bootloader. > Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. > -- > Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia > (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone > Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 Keep hacking! --- Regards, Harald From lucien@tardis.ed.ac.uk Wed May 13 21:53:05 1998 Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (root@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA25507; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk (lucien@tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.1]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id UAA16753 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:53:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (lucien@localhost) by tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisClientv2) with SMTP id UAA12414 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:53:06 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk: lucien owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:53:06 +0100 (BST) From: Lucien Murray-Pitts To: Linux MIPS Mailling list Subject: HELP: To all... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 518 Lines: 17 Hi there, I asked over 4 months ago for help with docco for the MIPS 2000 systens which MIPS used to make and got alot of help from SGI but mostly nothing from others. I REALLY need more information from you guys - please if you have ANYTHING On the MIPS2000 please tell me. I really want to work a linux kernel onto it but there isn't enough info on it to help.... All the info I got from SGI is on: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda There is a whole lot more but we're sorting it out right now... Lucien From dom@algor.co.uk Wed May 13 22:52:27 1998 Received: from embankment.algor.co.uk (0@embankment.algor.co.uk [193.117.190.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA26719; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:52:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:52:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from gladsmuir.algor.co.uk (dom@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk [193.117.190.129]) by embankment.algor.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03909; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:52:19 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dom@localhost) by gladsmuir.algor.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00527; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:52:18 +0100 (GMT/BST) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:52:18 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <199805132052.VAA00527@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk> From: Dominic Sweetman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: HELP: To all... In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Content-Length: 633 Lines: 20 Lucien, > I REALLY need more information from you guys - please if you have > ANYTHING On the MIPS2000 please tell me. I really want to work a linux > kernel onto it but there isn't enough info on it to help.... We know a fair amount about the R2000 chip, its interfaces and caches, and used, long ago, to use M-500 and M-800 systems running UMIPS (MIPS' own 4.3bsd port). If you wanted advice about how the cache worked, for example, we can do that. We know a little about the M-500/UMIPS bootstrap system. I've no idea whether any of that is relevant to you, but feel free to ask. Dominic Algorithmics Ltd dom@algor.co.uk From kristoff.bonne@belbone.net Fri May 15 13:07:20 1998 Received: from mail.belbone.be (mail.belbone.be [195.13.1.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA24078; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:07:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:07:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (unknown-1-182.belbone.be [195.13.1.182]) by mail.belbone.be (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00314; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (jupiler.belbone.be [192.168.1.182]) by jupiler.belbone.be (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26521; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:07:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805151107.NAA26521@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:07:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Kristoff Bonne Reply-To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 To: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: E6qaotdBydB9dc/QZtv+CQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Content-Length: 1931 Lines: 51 Gegroet, > Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:36:08 +0200 (MEST) > From: Harald Koerfgen > To: Kristoff Bonne > Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 > Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr >> Can't it be because of some part of the 'disklabel' code of the netbsd 1.2. >> (you know the 'bootrz' and 'rzboot'-files?) > > Without having a chance to test this, I'd guess you're right. The method you > described does work with ultrixboot indeed, but I don't have any idea if this > would work with with the NetBSD startup process. If I were you, I'd either > play around with arch/mips/dec/boot/ld.ecoff to build an ELF Kernel and use > NetBSD's elf2ecoff, or set up an tftpd on anouther machine. The command 'file /netbsd' (on my netbsd-box) or 'file /bsd' (on my openbsd) both give the same result: 'OpenBSD/pmax executable not stripped' and 'NetBSD/pmax executable not stripped'. But, when I do a 'file /etc/vmlinux' I get 'MIPSEL-LE COFF executable (impure) version 0.0'. It is clear that the kernels are in a different format. (I guess the *BSD-kernels are a.out, or is that still another format). So, how do I go from ECOFF to a.out? (I'll start with the software archives for netBSD and OpenBSD to find something overthere!) > I can assure you, that booting via tftp works with DECstation-Linux-2.1.73, at > least on those DECstations without buggy PROMS :-). The problem is it turns out mine has buggy PROM, it dont' get pasts the bootp (it doesn't even try the TFTP). I've been monitoring the LAN using 'tcpdump' on another linux-box. The BOOTP-server on the linux-box does reply OK, but the decstation does not seam to do anything with it. Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 From mbuening@darwin.helios.nd.edu Fri May 15 20:01:03 1998 Received: from darwin.helios.nd.edu (darwin.helios.nd.edu [129.74.250.114]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA27702; Fri, 15 May 1998 20:01:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:01:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: mbuening@darwin.helios.nd.edu Received: (from mbuening@localhost) by darwin.helios.nd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17104; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:00:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:00:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199805151800.NAA17104@darwin.helios.nd.edu> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr X-URL: http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.2 X-Personal_name: Mike Buening Subject: http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html Content-Length: 458 Lines: 10 I have access to an old SGI Personal IRIS 4D which runs a MIPS R2000A/R3000 CPU and it is collecting dust in the back of the lab. It does currently run on IRIX 5.2 but is too slow and useless in that configuration. From what I can tell from your web page a complete port for this type of machine hasn't been complete is that true? Is there active development on this kind of hardware? I'd like information if you can provide it please. Thank you. Mike From phillipm@continental-traffic.com Fri May 15 22:45:56 1998 Received: from continental-traffic.com ([206.28.75.135]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA29511; Fri, 15 May 1998 22:45:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:45:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by continental-traffic.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 15 May 1998 15:45:42 -0500 Received: by continental-traffic.com from mashburn.continental-traffic.com (206.28.75.214::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 15 May 1998 15:45:42 -0500 Message-ID: <355CA94E.58E15112@continental-traffic.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:45:02 -0500 From: "Phillip Mashburn" Organization: Continental Traffic Service, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: NEC Riscstation 2200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------FC88C105385D3C029FF6DBCC" Content-Length: 1146 Lines: 42 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FC88C105385D3C029FF6DBCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have an NEC RiscStation 2200 with obselete NT3.5; How much longer before Linux is ported to this box? I can send you my hardware specs if necessary. Please advise. 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Bill From donovan@alaskalife.net Sun May 17 22:55:22 1998 Received: from dns2.alaskalife.net (dns2.alaskalife.net [207.14.64.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA17630; Sun, 17 May 1998 22:55:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:55:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from ATHENA - 207.14.64.2 by dns2.alaskalife.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1774.114.11); Sun, 17 May 1998 12:56:02 -0700 Received: from cyberdyne.technodada.com - 207.14.64.123 by alaskalife.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 May 1998 13:00:09 -0800 Message-ID: <000701bd81d7$cf24f760$7b400ecf@cyberdyne.technodada.com> From: "Donovan Arellano" To: Subject: NetPower Series 100 Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:07:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Length: 562 Lines: 14 hello, I have a netpower series 100, I think its is a Acer PICA-61 (R4400, 134/150 MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, on-board video, SCSI, Ethernet and serial/parallel I/O plus 5 free ISA slots) or it is possible that it is a Deskstation rPC44 (R4400 100 MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, 5 free EISA slots). I am not shure because it has an r4400 100 MHz CPU, onboard s-3 video, scsi, Ethernet, and serial/parallel io. Anyway, I was able to get your Milo to work, and was interested in the next step that I need to do to get linux on my system. donovan From imp@village.org Mon May 18 05:19:36 1998 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA22655; Mon, 18 May 1998 05:19:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:19:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pencil-box.village.org [10.0.0.22] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0ybGSX-0002US-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 21:19:29 -0600 Received: from pencil-box.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pencil-box.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA04669 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 21:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805180318.VAA04669@pencil-box.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: NetPower Series 100 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 13:07:31 -0800." <000701bd81d7$cf24f760$7b400ecf@cyberdyne.technodada.com> References: <000701bd81d7$cf24f760$7b400ecf@cyberdyne.technodada.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:18:08 -0600 From: "M. Warner Losh" Content-Length: 924 Lines: 17 In message <000701bd81d7$cf24f760$7b400ecf@cyberdyne.technodada.com> "Donovan Arellano" writes: : I have a netpower series 100, I think its is a Acer PICA-61 (R4400, 134/150 : MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, on-board video, SCSI, Ethernet and : serial/parallel I/O plus 5 free ISA slots) or it is possible that it is a : Deskstation rPC44 (R4400 100 MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, 5 free EISA : slots). I am not shure because it has an r4400 100 MHz CPU, onboard s-3 : video, scsi, Ethernet, and serial/parallel io. Anyway, I was able to get : your Milo to work, and was interested in the next step that I need to do to : get linux on my system. This isn't a DeskStation rPC44. It doesn't have an on-board S2, scsi, ethrenet. It does have an onboard ide, fd, parallel and serial ports (but they are disabled by default and I've not tried to enable them). This machine sounds like a MIPS Magnum or Jazz. Warner From imp@village.org Mon May 18 05:34:02 1998 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA24030; Mon, 18 May 1998 05:33:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:33:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0ybGgW-0002Uk-00; Sun, 17 May 1998 21:33:56 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA28964 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 21:33:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805180333.VAA28964@harmony.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: NetPower Series 100 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 May 1998 21:18:08 MDT." <199805180318.VAA04669@pencil-box.village.org> References: <199805180318.VAA04669@pencil-box.village.org> <000701bd81d7$cf24f760$7b400ecf@cyberdyne.technodada.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:33:41 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 1666 Lines: 31 In message <199805180318.VAA04669@pencil-box.village.org> "M. Warner Losh" writes: : In message <000701bd81d7$cf24f760$7b400ecf@cyberdyne.technodada.com> "Donovan Arellano" writes: : : I have a netpower series 100, I think its is a Acer PICA-61 (R4400, 134/150 : : MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, on-board video, SCSI, Ethernet and : : serial/parallel I/O plus 5 free ISA slots) or it is possible that it is a : : Deskstation rPC44 (R4400 100 MHz CPU clock, up to 2 MB L2 cache, 5 free EISA : : slots). I am not shure because it has an r4400 100 MHz CPU, onboard s-3 : : video, scsi, Ethernet, and serial/parallel io. Anyway, I was able to get : : your Milo to work, and was interested in the next step that I need to do to : : get linux on my system. : : This isn't a DeskStation rPC44. It doesn't have an on-board S2, scsi, : ethrenet. It does have an onboard ide, fd, parallel and serial ports : (but they are disabled by default and I've not tried to enable them). : : This machine sounds like a MIPS Magnum or Jazz. It might also be a DeskStation Tyne clone, but that is unlikely. I don't think DeskStation resold their hardware at that stage of their life. You'd know it was a DeskStation from the BIOS, or at the very least looking at the silk screened stuff on the main board. If it is a Magnum 4000 clone like the Jazz is, then you might be able to get away with hacking MILO to report the machine as a JAZZ or MAGNUM and see how far that gets you. Sadly, I've not had time to keep the DeskStation rPC44 support up to date in Linux, so it has withered and died. However, I seriously doubt that this is a machine made by DeskStation... Warner From ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon May 18 13:36:35 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA28855; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:36:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:36:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zaphod (zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02326; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:35:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id NAA27974; Mon, 18 May 1998 13:35:53 +0200 Message-ID: <19980518133553.34099@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:35:53 +0200 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: VCE question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Content-Length: 479 Lines: 10 I don't have a machine with a SC CPU, so I hopbe somebody of you can help me -- the manuals of the R4000 / R4400 documents that the L2 cache is tagged with bits 12-14 of the virtual address. This is somewhat strange because only cache-size / 4kb bits are required to avoid virtual aliases. That would be 1 bit for the R4000SC and 2 bits for the R4400SC. Question: will the R4000SC/R4400SC actually verify 3 bits or only the one rsp. two bits which need to be checked? Ralf From wje@fir.engr.sgi.com Mon May 18 18:28:09 1998 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA02226; Mon, 18 May 1998 18:28:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:28:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980304.SGI-aspam: SGI does not authorize the use of its proprietary systems or networks for unsolicited or bulk email from the Internet.) via ESMTP id JAA01607; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:27:22 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA39332; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:27:21 -0700 (PDT) mail_from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA20630; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:26:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:26:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199805181626.JAA20630@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: VCE question In-Reply-To: <19980518133553.34099@uni-koblenz.de> References: <19980518133553.34099@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Length: 2094 Lines: 35 ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: > I don't have a machine with a SC CPU, so I hopbe somebody of you can > help me -- the manuals of the R4000 / R4400 documents that the L2 cache > is tagged with bits 12-14 of the virtual address. This is somewhat > strange because only cache-size / 4kb bits are required to avoid virtual > aliases. That would be 1 bit for the R4000SC and 2 bits for the R4400SC. > > Question: will the R4000SC/R4400SC actually verify 3 bits or only the > one rsp. two bits which need to be checked? Yes, they verify all 3 bits. You can have a VCE handler, even for kernel stacks, if you are very careful in the general exception handler. (The VCE handler does writeback invalidate on the primary data cache and an invalidate on the primary instruction cache for the offending address, and then does a hit-set-virtual on the secondary cache; alternately, somewhat more slowly, but more simply, the handler does a writeback invalidate on the secondary cache.) Of course, you still have to arrange to have only one virtual color valid at a time for a given physical page to make the R4000PC, R4600, and R5000 work correctly. On the other hand, if you can arrange that, including flushing the cache appropriately when changing the current virtual color of a physical page, you will never get a VCE (assuming you treat the R4000SC and R4400SC has having 8 colors, not 2 or 4). On the other processors, where VCE is not detected, you can further optimize the code by allowing for multiple virtual colors for read-only pages, invalidating all conflicting mappings when a read-write mapping is required. IRIX does this in 6.3 and 6.5. We don't break the mappings; we just turn off pg_vr in the PTEs. When we get a fault on one of the software-valid, hardware-invalid mappings, we do an ownership switch, turning off the mappings for the current color and changing the current color to the desired one. This of course requires appropriate cache cleaning for the whole page. By comparison, the R4000SC/R4400SC VCE handler works just one cache line at a time. From kristoff.bonne@belbone.net Tue May 19 17:05:51 1998 Received: from mail.belbone.be (mail.belbone.be [195.13.1.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA11564; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:05:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:05:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (unknown-1-182.belbone.be [195.13.1.182]) by mail.belbone.be (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22312; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:05:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jupiler.belbone.be (jupiler.belbone.be [192.168.1.182]) by jupiler.belbone.be (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02566; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:05:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805191505.RAA02566@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:05:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Kristoff Bonne Reply-To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 To: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: cxWWi7U2OuqCCev6d7X3pQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Content-Length: 1221 Lines: 30 Gegroet, > Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:56:23 +0200 (MEST) > From: Harald Koerfgen > To: Kristoff Bonne > Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 > > It is clear that the kernels are in a different format. (I guess the > > *BSD-kernels are a.out, or is that still another format). > I have never done anything with *BSD and I don't know how the *BSD booting > process works. What I do know is that there is a program "elf2ecoff" in the > *BSD distribution, I have done some experiments with this but had no sucess in > converting an ELF Kernel Image into something that the DEC PROM accepts. OK, but what is the 'normal' boot-process for linux/mips for a personal decstation 5000/33? Is it possible to boot from a disk, or do we mandatory need a TFTP-boot-server? (a bit of a 'stupid' thing a most of the decstatiosn don't seem to boot over TFTP ;-) ) Should it help if I where to place a ultrix-boot on the disk? Many thanks and Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. -- Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Tue May 19 20:09:19 1998 Received: from mail1.netcologne.de (mail1.netcologne.de [194.8.194.104]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA13210; Tue, 19 May 1998 20:09:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:09:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from franz.no.dom (max5-109.netcologne.de [194.8.195.109]) by mail1.netcologne.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21584; Tue, 19 May 1998 20:09:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805191505.RAA02566@jupiler.belbone.be> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 20:09:12 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.no.dom From: Harald Koerfgen To: Kristoff Bonne Subject: RE: linux on PERSONAL DECstation5000/33 Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Length: 1975 Lines: 47 Tach, On 19-May-98 Kristoff Bonne wrote: > Gegroet, > >> > It is clear that the kernels are in a different format. (I guess the >> > *BSD-kernels are a.out, or is that still another format). > >> I have never done anything with *BSD and I don't know how the *BSD booting >> process works. What I do know is that there is a program "elf2ecoff" in the >> *BSD distribution, I have done some experiments with this but had no sucess in >> converting an ELF Kernel Image into something that the DEC PROM accepts. > > OK, but what is the 'normal' boot-process for linux/mips for a personal > decstation 5000/33? > Is it possible to boot from a disk, or do we mandatory need a TFTP-boot-server? > (a bit of a 'stupid' thing a most of the decstatiosn don't seem to boot over > TFTP ;-) ) > Actually DECstation-Linux is far from beeing productive. We are still in a hacking process and booting Linux from disk is still on the todo list. In fact, I am quite happy that I found a way to boot the newer kernels via tftp :-). > Should it help if I where to place a ultrix-boot on the disk? Well, that's a difficult question to answer. I do know nothing about the *BSD booting process, all I know is that booting from an Ultrix disk via ultrixboot does work. It may worth a try to prepare an Ultrix disk with Ultrix boot sectors and boot this way. Booting linux via tftp, on the orther hand, is indeed the 'normal' way. > Many thanks and > Cheerio! Kr. Bonne. I'm sorry that I cannot help you more. If you really want to boot from disk, you would do a lot of people a favour (and yourself, of course :-)), if do have a deeper look in the way how the DECstation PROM is loading boot sectors, and if it would be possible to boot from an ext2fs disk :-). > -- > Bonne Kristoff belgacom multimedia > (C=BE,A=RTT,P=RTTIPC,S=BONNE,G=Kristoff) operations belbone > Kristoff.bonne@belbone.net fax: +32 2 2024123 --- Regards, Harald From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed May 20 03:28:27 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id DAA17617; Wed, 20 May 1998 03:28:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:28:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-24.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.24]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18782 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 03:28:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA00938; Wed, 20 May 1998 03:17:38 +0200 Message-ID: <19980520031738.58084@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:17:38 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: The Forth may be with you ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Content-Length: 365 Lines: 11 Hi all, for the fun of it and because I needed something that is programable, interactive and small (92kb including the full dictionay) I ported pforth v19 to run on the raw ARC firmware. If anybody is interested in this toy, tell me. Even you even have an alibi application for this toy, tell me asap :-) Ralf (Guess how much I love the Arghh firmware ...) From adevries@engsoc.carleton.ca Wed May 20 04:52:39 1998 Received: from lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (adevries@lager.engsoc.carleton.ca [134.117.69.26]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id EAA18454; Wed, 20 May 1998 04:52:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:52:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (adevries@localhost) by lager.engsoc.carleton.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12891; Tue, 19 May 1998 22:52:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: lager.engsoc.carleton.ca: adevries owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex deVries To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The Forth may be with you ... In-Reply-To: <19980520031738.58084@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 477 Lines: 14 On Wed, 20 May 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > for the fun of it and because I needed something that is programable, > interactive and small (92kb including the full dictionay) I ported pforth > v19 to run on the raw ARC firmware. If anybody is interested in this > toy, tell me. Even you even have an alibi application for this toy, > tell me asap :-) Alright, I'll bite. Exactly what is this useful for? Could we use this as a LILO replacement for SGI/Linux? - Alex From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed May 20 16:40:15 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA22842; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:40:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:40:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-23.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.23]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00859 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:39:55 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01127; Wed, 20 May 1998 16:37:47 +0200 Message-ID: <19980520163747.16398@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:37:47 +0200 To: Alex deVries Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: The Forth may be with you ... References: <19980520031738.58084@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Alex deVries on Tue, May 19, 1998 at 10:52:08PM -0400 Content-Length: 1115 Lines: 27 On Tue, May 19, 1998 at 10:52:08PM -0400, Alex deVries wrote: > On Wed, 20 May 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > for the fun of it and because I needed something that is programable, > > interactive and small (92kb including the full dictionay) I ported pforth > > v19 to run on the raw ARC firmware. If anybody is interested in this > > toy, tell me. Even you even have an alibi application for this toy, > > tell me asap :-) > > Alright, I'll bite. > > Exactly what is this useful for? Could we use this as a LILO replacement > for SGI/Linux? Well, I was fed up of compiling test programs for the ARC firmware to play with it, reboot crash the box and start all over again. What could it be usefull for? It's a full programming language including development environment, so you can basically do anything with it. If you wish, knit your own OpenFirmware from it? And yes, you could brew a LILO equivalent from it. The question is still if we need such a thing. It's a overkill solution with small resource footprint and absolute flexibility. But then it might be what makes it attractive. Ralf From mwfolsom@aptec.com Fri May 22 03:35:55 1998 Received: from ataserver.aptec.com ([192.160.144.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id DAA07200; Fri, 22 May 1998 03:35:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:35:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aptec.com (192.160.144.31) by ataserver.aptec.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:53:09 -0600 Message-ID: <3564D806.18802E7A@aptec.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:42:31 -0600 From: "Michael W. Folsom" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux on NetPower FastSeries MP boxes? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 189 Lines: 13 Hi: The subject line just about says it all - I'm wondering if anybodies got the Linux port for MIPS boxes up and running on a NetPower FastSeries MP box. Thanks in advance - Michael From keller@eichler.unibas.ch Fri May 22 16:01:45 1998 Received: from maser.urz.unibas.ch (maser.urz.unibas.ch [131.152.1.5]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA12219; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:01:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:01:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from huygens.math-lab.unibas.ch by mailhub.unibas.ch (PMDF V5.1-10 #22821) with SMTP id <0ETD009NI2YTEZ@mailhub.unibas.ch> for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:01:41 +0200 (MET) Received: by huygens.math-lab.unibas.ch (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01876; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:00:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:00:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Niklaus Keller Subject: DECStation 3100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 409 Lines: 14 Hi If got an "old" DECStation 3100 with 24 MByte memory. Is it possible to run Linux with this Hardware ? If yes, is there also a XWindows server aviable for this systems ? If not, is there a way to run linux, if i spend some time in work on it ? I know a little bit about C (programming under Windows 3.1/95) and a very little about Unix. thank you for an answer Niklaus Keller keller@math-lab.unibas.ch From MLLeong@aol.com Fri May 22 18:19:15 1998 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA14151; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:19:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:19:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from MLLeong@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id BNBTa15838; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MLLeong Message-ID: <4f1adc6e.3565a551@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:18:24 EDT To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: Jonathan.Torta@digital.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I have a MIPS box Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 Content-Length: 558 Lines: 13 it's currently a stand for some of my house plants. I used to work for NEC Boxborough, when it was still NEC and they were getting rid of their MIPS team. Well wouldn't you believe it, they were getting rid of all their MIPS equipement and I bought one for a song and dance. I loaded NT 3.51 on it but could not upgrade or load NT 4.0 because of a problem with HAL file. Then I saw this web site and thought why not? I'm interested in trying to load Linux on my plant stand, but probably need some help, like where do I start?? thanks Mon L. Leong From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed May 27 05:12:45 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA21565; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:12:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 05:12:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (ralf@pmport-04.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.4]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16960 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:12:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01439; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:26:29 +0200 Message-ID: <19980527042629.62884@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 04:26:29 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: hjl@lucon.org Subject: Assembler bug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Content-Length: 637 Lines: 20 I ran into an assembler bug which affects at least MIPS GAS 2.7 and 2.8.1. An example which triggers the bug: [ralf@lappi ralf]$ cat s.s .globl label1 label1: .org 0x1000 .align 13 # align on 8kb boundary [ralf@lappi /tmp]$ mips-linux-as -O3 -o s.o s.s [ralf@lappi /tmp]$ mips-linux-objdump --syms s.o | grep label1 0000000000002000 g O .text 0000000000000000 label1 [ralf@lappi /tmp]$ => Label label1 get's the wrong value 0x2000, not 0x0 as it should, assigned. Inserting a label definition after the .org pseudo op generates correct code again. I haven't tried this on non-MIPS GAS. Ralf From babydr@nwrain.net Fri May 29 05:17:20 1998 Received: from filesrv1.baby-dragons.com (babydr@filesrv1.baby-dragons.com [199.33.245.55]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA09252; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:17:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 05:17:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (babydr@localhost) by filesrv1.baby-dragons.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09675; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:17:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: filesrv1.baby-dragons.com: babydr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" X-Sender: babydr@filesrv1.baby-dragons.com Reply-To: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" To: Radim HABALA cc: linux mips mail-list Subject: Re: Hi, Linux on DECsystem 5100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1582 Lines: 39 Hello Radim, Heck, I have looked most everywhere & the maintained page . IE: http://lena.fnet.fr/ the Mips-FAQ page. The pointer to the Dec-Mips page is -gone- on the other end. But down below is a pointer to an ftp-site that is still there, but it is at best a year old . This contains bootable (probably -very- alpha-test) images for dec-mips. Which I have not tried out. PS: Anyone know where Paul M. Antoine, Who used to be @ www.softway.com.au went ? Or failing that Who may be the present linux-decmips maintainer ? On Fri, 22 May 1998, Radim HABALA wrote: > Hi, > is it possible to run linux on DECsystem 5100 ? I have this, and when I > saw to linux kernel configurations, I didn't find any support. > > Linux supports MIPS, but I saw only support for VAX, and I was unable to > find an support for DECsystem5100's SCSI and Ethernet adapters... > > Any ideas, links, etc? JimL +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James W. Laferriere - Network Engineer - babydr@nwrain.net | | System Techniques - 25416 - 22nd S. - Kent, WA 98032 | | Give me VMS -or- Give me Linux -but- only on AXP | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |-> Linux-Vax Port, Now in Progress !YAY! there's Progress To Report <-| |-> Please See http://ucnet.canberra.edu.au/~mikal/vaxlinux/home.html <-| |-> Maintainer: Michael Still mikal@blitzen.canberra.edu.au <-| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From afritz@iname.com Fri May 29 07:24:10 1998 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [207.51.48.185]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id HAA11252; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:24:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:24:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com (usr01.primenet.com [206.165.6.201]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id BAA02593; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:18:32 -0700 (MST) From: Adam Fritzler X-Sender: afritz@usr01.primenet.com To: linux mips mail-list cc: Radim HABALA Subject: Re: Hi, Linux on DECsystem 5100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 338 Lines: 17 > Or failing that Who may be the present linux-decmips > maintainer ? See http://decstation.unix-ag.org > |-> Linux-Vax Port, Now in Progress !YAY! there's Progress To Report <-| There is? -----------> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ af ---------- Adam Fritzler afritz@iname.com http://www.afritz.base.org ---------- From babydr@nwrain.net Fri May 29 08:14:51 1998 Received: from filesrv1.baby-dragons.com (babydr@filesrv1.baby-dragons.com [199.33.245.55]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id IAA12387; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:14:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:14:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (babydr@localhost) by filesrv1.baby-dragons.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09932 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:14:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: filesrv1.baby-dragons.com: babydr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" X-Sender: babydr@filesrv1.baby-dragons.com To: linux mips mail-list Subject: Re: Hi, Linux on DECsystem 5100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1417 Lines: 28 Hello Adam, On Thu, 28 May 1998, Adam Fritzler wrote: > > Or failing that Who may be the present linux-decmips > > maintainer ? > See http://decstation.unix-ag.org Cool, I'll do that... > > |-> Linux-Vax Port, Now in Progress !YAY! there's Progress To Report <-| Well when I first started the below .sig 'there was no progress at all' I was the second person (that I know of) to mention that I was trying to get the then freshly released linux-2.0.3 (not 2.0.3x) to compile after stealing the BSD sources to see how that camp had gotten by a few very well known gotcha's . Then the gent's below dropped a line that they had begun an attempt to port stuff to the Mvax-II .... Well I've since dropped the ball. Tnx Again, JimL +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James W. Laferriere - Network Engineer - babydr@nwrain.net | | System Techniques - 25416 - 22nd S. - Kent, WA 98032 | | Give me VMS -or- Give me Linux -but- only on AXP | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ |-> Linux-Vax Port, Now in Progress !YAY! there's Progress To Report <-| |-> Please See http://ucnet.canberra.edu.au/~mikal/vaxlinux/home.html <-| |-> Maintainer: Michael Still mikal@blitzen.canberra.edu.au <-| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Fri May 29 08:40:36 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id IAA13421; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:40:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:40:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id IAA06840 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:39:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA00480; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:39:56 +0200 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199805290639.IAA00480@jordan.numerik> Subject: Re: Hi, Linux on DECsystem 5100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:39:56 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Mr. James W. Laferriere" at May 28, 98 08:17:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1406 Lines: 38 Hi, > Heck, I have looked most everywhere & the maintained page . > IE: http://lena.fnet.fr/ the Mips-FAQ page. > > The pointer to the Dec-Mips page is -gone- on the other end. I _think_ I sent mail to the maintainer of the fnet web pages and asked him to update the link, but I didn't check it :-( ... Please use http://decstation.unix-ag.org > But down below is a pointer to an ftp-site that is still > there, but it is at best a year old . This contains > bootable (probably -very- alpha-test) images for dec-mips. > Which I have not tried out. This is unfortunately all you can get by now - the kernel is still in highly experimental stages ... > PS: Anyone know where Paul M. Antoine, Who used to be > @ www.softway.com.au went ? He still is supposed to be at softway, but I didn't hear from him in the last few months. I'm afraid he's just very busy ... > Or failing that Who may be the present linux-decmips > maintainer ? Well, noone is really elected to be the maintainer. I'm maintaining the web pages but have had a severe lack of time in the last two or three months. This is getting better now, though :) ! There are only a few people working on the port at the moment, most notably Harald Koerfgen who managed to get the kernel revision up to 2.1.73 and boot into single-user root shell from a ram disk, IIRC. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Sat May 30 11:56:14 1998 Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id LAA28552; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from franz.no.dom (max3-170.netcologne.de [194.8.196.170]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07939; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:56:26 +0200 (MET DST) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805290639.IAA00480@jordan.numerik> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:56:53 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.no.dom From: Harald Koerfgen To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, Radim HABALA Subject: Re: Hi, Linux on DECsystem 5100 Content-Length: 2116 Lines: 57 Hi all, On 29-May-98 Michael Engel wrote: > > Hi, > >> Heck, I have looked most everywhere & the maintained page . >> IE: http://lena.fnet.fr/ the Mips-FAQ page. >> >> The pointer to the Dec-Mips page is -gone- on the other end. > > I _think_ I sent mail to the maintainer of the fnet web pages and asked > him to update the link, but I didn't check it :-( ... Please use > http://decstation.unix-ag.org > >> But down below is a pointer to an ftp-site that is still >> there, but it is at best a year old . This contains >> bootable (probably -very- alpha-test) images for dec-mips. >> Which I have not tried out. > > This is unfortunately all you can get by now - the kernel is still in > highly experimental stages ... > >> PS: Anyone know where Paul M. Antoine, Who used to be >> @ www.softway.com.au went ? > > He still is supposed to be at softway, but I didn't hear from him in the > last few months. I'm afraid he's just very busy ... > >> Or failing that Who may be the present linux-decmips >> maintainer ? > > Well, noone is really elected to be the maintainer. I'm maintaining the > web pages but have had a severe lack of time in the last two or three > months. This is getting better now, though :) ! There are only a few people > working on the port at the moment, most notably Harald Koerfgen who managed > to get the kernel revision up to 2.1.73 and boot into single-user root > shell from a ram disk, IIRC. Well, I wish it would but the kernel dies before executing /bin/sh :-(. Anyway, DECstation-Linux-2.1.99 with a few minor enhancements is going to be released RSN :-). The DECsystem 5100 is even less documented than the other DECstations. Stu Allen has managed to bring the periodic interrupts to work on his DS5100 and I have tried to support 5100 machines as far as possible. Radim, when 2.1.99 is out, please give it a try and send me the results. If you have further questions feel free to ask me. > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) Stay tuned. --- Regards, Harald