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Okay guys,

	I know that this is a stupid newbie question, but how do i get the
root (root-0.01.tar.gz) fs image onto the disk as an ext2fs partition?
thanks,

-jack <jctihon@.ucdavis.edu>
	<a href="http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~tihon/"> . </a>

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Sorry about my last post. I got it running.

On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Jack Tihon wrote:

> Okay guys,
> 
> 	I know that this is a stupid newbie question, but how do i get the
> root (root-0.01.tar.gz) fs image onto the disk as an ext2fs partition?
> thanks,
> 
> -jack <jctihon@.ucdavis.edu>
> 	<a href="http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~tihon/"> . </a>
> 

-jt <jctihon@.ucdavis.edu>
	<a href="http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~tihon/"> . </a>

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ok, uncle....uncle...I cannot stand it any longer, I have a netpower 100 =
(acer pica 61 with 64megs of ram and 3gigs of drive space) and am in =
need of an OS to put on this machine that will allow me to do some dev =
work on a web site I am building. Anyway, long story short where are the =
FAQ's on installing this OS for this type of machine. I have read the =
Linux/MIPS FAQ and surrounding docs, but all it talks about is testing =
to see if MILO will load on the system...OK it does, now what? Any help =
or point in the right direction would be of great help

Donovan Arellano
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Hi,

Is  the current MIPS-Kernel able to boot on a DECstation 5000/25?
I followed the links to xxx.softway.com.au and the www page isn't
available, fortunatly the ftp is still there and I downloaded the
experimentel kernel which I got booting  till  Calibrating  delay
loop,  as stated. The latest source there is dated november 1997.

Question is what's my best shot to do? I'm not a  programmer  but
see it as a challenge to get the DECstation running Linux. :-)

Regards,

Richard

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Hello,

Can you tell me the current status of Linux/MIPS?
I'd like to run Linux on an SGI Personal Iris.

Merci,
Andy
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I am also intrested in the status of this port.  Specifically, the pmax
port.  I have a DECstation 3100 that I would like to run it on.

Rob Mohr

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> Hello,
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> Can you tell me the current status of Linux/MIPS?
> I'd like to run Linux on an SGI Personal Iris.
> 
> Merci,
> Andy
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Yes Im gene, I sent a letter to one of your addresses at fnet, but I have a
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Thought this might as well be interesting to other as well, so I copy this
to the usual lists.

On Thu, Mar 05, 1998 at 08:29:51PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> BTW Eine Sache, die ich schon immer wissen wollte, aber nie zu fragen wagte:
> 
> Wie sieht das eigentlich mit der CPU-Abhaengigkeit der glibc aus?
> 
> Ich habe gerade damit anfgefangen, mich mit dem Ramdisk-Support fuer linux/MIPS zu
> beschaeftigen und moechte spaeter einmal ein Ramdisk-Image zum Kernel-Image
> dazulinken, welches als root gemountet werden soll. Auf diesem moechte ich eine
> statisch gelinkte bash unterbringen. Meine eigentliche Frage ist nun, wuerde das mit
> der existierenden glibc funktionieren, oder muesste ich eine R3000-spezifische glibc
> bauen?

All the published userland binaries have been compiled using MIPS ISA 1.  The
sole exception is glibc.  As it is usual for Linux, the MIPS binaries of
glibc have been built using the three add-ons crypt, localedata and
linuxthreads.  In order to be threadsafe LinuxThreads has to use some kind of
semaphores etc..  Since it is the natural way of doing things for R6000 and
better, I choose to implement this using the ll and sc instructions.

For the members of the MIPS CPU family which are lacking these two
instructions I suggest to simulate them in the reserved instruction handler.
This will work for all uniprocessor systems and using the special hardware
which is part of old R2000/R3000 systems it would even be SMP proof - if
we ever do R3000 SMP ...  It wouldn't be interrupt safe as well.

The implementation could roughly look like:

unsigned long ll_bit, lladdr;

void simulate_ll(struct pt_regs *regs)
{
	unsigned long addr;

	/*
	 * analyse the ll instruction that just caused a ri exception
	 * and put the referenced address to addr.
	 */
	[...]
	
	lladdr = addr;
	ll_bit = 1;
	regs[reg_to_be_loaded] = *addr;
}

void simulate_sc(struct pt_regs *regs)
{
	/*
	 * analyse the ll instruction that just caused a ri exception
	 * and put the referenced address to addr.
	 */
	[...]

	lladdr = addr;

	if (ll_bit = 0) {
		regs[reg_to_be_stored] = 0;
		return;
	}

	*addr = regs[reg_to_be_loaded];
	regs[reg_to_be_loaded] = 1;
}

The scheduler would have to clear ll_bit on every context switch in order
to take care of shared memory and threads sharing their mm_struct.

There are for shure better ways of doing this, but this implementation would
keep the 100% binary compatibility.  The way not to do it is to use
sysmips(MIPS_ATOMIC_SET, ...) syscall which would result in the full
syscall overhead.  Even though Linux's is way less than RISC/OS's ...

  Ralf

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Interesting indeed: one could implement nested ll-sc sequences by emulation.

g

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Don't run xntpd; there is some bug in the MIPS stuff which locks the
machine, only the usual kernel hotkeys are still working.  I don't
know why or if all platforms are affected.  The crash happend on a
RM200.  The time code is ripe for a complete overhaul anyway ...

  Ralf

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On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 11:01:32AM -0600, Trevor Schroeder wrote:

> > Don't run xntpd; there is some bug in the MIPS stuff which locks the
> > machine, only the usual kernel hotkeys are still working.  I don't
> > know why or if all platforms are affected.  The crash happend on a
> > RM200.  The time code is ripe for a complete overhaul anyway ...
> 
> Do tell, what exactly is this bug?  I'm using xntpd on a number of non-MIPS
> Linux hosts here and I'd like to verify that it's not going to be a problem.

I appears as if a syscall never terminates or so.  xntpd just hangs in 'R'
(running) state in the process table.  This happens immediately after
starting xntpd from the command line.  For now I assume this to be a MIPS
only bug - Ulrich Windl posted some NTP4 related patches and that's about
everything I heared in the last time related to NTP bugs.  So don't worry,
I'm going to fix it next week - there is something non-MIPSish on my to-do
list that is more urgent ...

On the other side xntpd builds right out of the box for Linux/MIPS and that's
already good news, given the complexity of the thing and how difficult it
builds for IRIX.

  Ralf

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Tried xntpd the Indy as well.  Xntpd doesn't crash the box but the Indy
timekeeping is that flaky that xntpd marks all timeservers as ``insane''.

  Ralf

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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote:

> I appears as if a syscall never terminates or so.  xntpd just hangs in 'R'
> (running) state in the process table.  This happens immediately after
> starting xntpd from the command line.  For now I assume this to be a MIPS
> only bug - Ulrich Windl posted some NTP4 related patches and that's about
> everything I heared in the last time related to NTP bugs.  So don't worry,
> I'm going to fix it next week - there is something non-MIPSish on my to-do
> list that is more urgent ...

I would agree that it seems to be a MIPS only problem as it's not causing
problems on Linux/x86.

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Fellow DECstation Hackers,

I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one:

The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest Linux/MIPS source
tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ and may
work on maxines (I hope).

Now the bad one [Hmmm... where's that asbesto suit...]:

This Kernel will no longer work on pmax-alike DECstations, which are:
DS2100, DS3100, DS5100 and DS5000/200! But relax, a few minor changes and
you'll be back :-). I haven't had a chance to make these myself just because I
don't have the hardware.

Improvements over 2.1.14.2.dec:

Well, to be honest, not very much. 2.1.73 dies exactly where the latest 2.1.14
has died before: "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00", but
what would you do without device drivers?. On the other hand, it dies in a more
cleaningly manner :-).

Changes since 2.1.14.2.dec:

o Building process: The kernel itself and the "bootloader" code are clearly
seperated from each other. The bootloader does no longer use any kernel
functionality and the kernel does no longer use any prom_functions (bye bye,
prom_printf). The kernel is compiled into ELF format and then converted into an
 a.out image just like for the other MIPS machines. This kernel image is linked
together with the bootloader into an ECOFF image, which can be booted via the
DECstation boot PROM. I have added the option "make netboot" to the Makefile to
do this. There is no need to remove sections any longer.

o Startup Procedure: This netbootable Image (arch/mips/dec/boot/nbImage) will
be loaded at address 0x80200000, which leaves enough room to work with
compressed kernel images. This might be necessary in the future for certain
PROM versions. The kernel itself is then copied down to 0x80000000 and started.
This, together with the now no longer needed bootloader, saves nearly 200 KB
memory. PROM functions, on the other hand, will no longer work.

o Primitive serial console for DECstations with scc chip.

o Proper kernel initialization: No more "skipping console-init" or "skipping
device_init".

o Memory sizing routine for pmax-alike Machines (untested!).

o Code cleanup and better integration into the main source tree.

Development environment notes:

This kernel will not compile anymore with the 2.7.*-binutils. You _do_ need
2.8.1-binutils with support for the a.out-mips-little target. Due to an
unresolved linker bug you have to remove the -N option from the final kernel
link (in arch/mips/Makefile).

Do _not_ use "make menuconfig", it insists on enabling CONFIG_CDROM which results in
an unresolved symbol cdrom_init(). Use "make config" instead.

You would not see anything unless you enable CONFIG_SERIAL and CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE.

Todo:

I cannot do this myself, any feedback is appreciated, patches are welcome:

o Test if the startup procedure works on pmax machines.

o Test and debug the pmax_get_memory routine.

o Serial console support for DECstations with the DC7085 chip, or raster
console if you like.

o Test if serial console works on maxines. The serial console is hardcoded for
maxines, regardless of the settings for "console" and "osconsole". If you do not see
anything try playing around with tinycon.c

o Test if this kernel works so far on R4000 based DECstations.

Things I am working on:

o Passing command line parameters to the kernel.

o Improving serial console for scc chips.

o Ramdisk support.

o Better interrupt handling code integration.

o Turbochannel support.

For us all:

o Writing device drivers.

o Writing device drivers.

o And, of course, writing device drivers.

I will be uploading my source tree this evening and it should soon appear at:

http://decstation.unix-ag.org

Stay tuned,
Harald

From mjhnsn@u.washington.edu  Tue Mar 10 20:37:38 1998
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My boyfriend and I recently acquired a DECstation 5000/200 at a rummage
sale (for $5!), and we'd like to get linux running on it. We've downloaded 
some of the precompiled kernels from ftp.softway.com.au.  The test4 works 
best - getting past the calibration loop - however, it does this partway
through the boot:

About to init buffers
memsize is: 3fff000
about to vmalloc hash table
kmalloc called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000
gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000
gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000
gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000
gfp called nonatomically from interrupt 00000000
Allocating addr: 0xc0000000
vmalloc'd hash table, size is: 1ffb4, addr is: c0000000
about to clear hash table

 Page fault taken [swapper:0:c0000000:1:80071d38]... couldn't find vma:
0x0
Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address c0000000, epc == 
8005455c
Oops: 00000001
$0 : 00000000 800d0000 00000000 800d0878 0000000a a0004798 00000000 00000000
$8 : 00000008 00000000 0000004b 0000004c 00000000 00000030 bfe00000 00008320
$16: 00000000 800ddc30 800ddc31 800ddc30 0000000a 0000003e 0000003c 0000004d
$24: 00008000 bfc005c8                   87a6835e 800d094c 10000801 80054524
epc  : 8005455c
Status: 10000804
Cause : 00002800
Process swapper (pid: 0, stackpage=800ceae4)
Stack: 00000000 00000000 00000010 fffffffe 00000000 (Bad stack address)
Call Trace: (Bad address)

Code : 00000000 00000000 3c04800d 0c014332 24844314 
Aiee, killing interrupt handler
kfree of non-kmalloced memory: 800d2b2c, next= 00000000, order=0
kfree of non-kmalloced memory: 800d2b1c, next= 00000000, order=0
kfree of non-kmalloced memory: 800d3030, next= 00000000, order=0
Aiee: scheduling in interrupt 00000000
Aiee: scheduling in interrupt 00000000
.... continues without stopping.

Since there weren't any System.map files, we couldn't run it through
ksymoops. The other kernels don't get this far.

So, we downloaded the 2.1.14.2.dec source off the same site, and attempted
to compile it with a crosscompiler. It compiled - kind of. The decstation
has no hard drive - so needs an ECOFF kernel to remote boot (according to
a Makefile). This causes mkboot.c to not succeed on the image with a "Not 
an ELF image" error. For this reason (or perhaps some other reason) the
image we compiled only boots this far:

Found a REX compatible boot PROM!

Linux/MIPS DECStation Boot
Copyright (C) Paul M. Antoine 1995, 1996, 1997 and others, 1994, 1995, 1996,
1997

and it seems the machine reboots.

When attempting to use the 2.1.85 source, we couldn't even get it to
compile.

Any help would be appreciated. Is there a later source than what is on the
ftp site? Is anyone currently active fixing DECstations like the one we
have? We would like to help in any way we can [coding, testing, or
whatever is needed].

Thank you,
Melissa (and Michael)


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Man! 5 minutes after we send our message we get the info we wanted.
Nevermind. *crawls away*

Muttering,
Melissa

Sulking,
Michael


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Harald,

I have a DECstation 3100 with 24MB RAM, color framebuffer, 19 inch color
monitor, and a TK50 tape unit.  The system is networked to my Pentium
133 system running Windows95.  I am willing to help out with this
porting effort however I can.  My system is currently set up to boot
either Ultrix 4.4 or NetBSD 1.3.  I have a small (170MB) harddisk that I
can use to test Linux kernals and miniroots on.  I do not have any
experience hacking kernals, but with a little direction I can modify
source and recompile tests as needed.  Let me know what I might be able
to do to help out.

Rob Mohr
robm@gemstone.com (work)
rmohr@triax.com (home)

(P.S.  Please send replies to both addresses listed above.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de
> [SMTP:harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de]
> Sent:	Tuesday, March 10, 1998 11:03 AM
> To:	linux-mips@fnet.fr
> Subject:	linux-2.14.2.dec is obsolete!
> 
> Fellow DECstation Hackers,
> 
> I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one:
> 
> The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest
> Linux/MIPS source
> tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ and
> may
> work on maxines (I hope).
> 
> Now the bad one [Hmmm... where's that asbesto suit...]:
> 
> This Kernel will no longer work on pmax-alike DECstations, which are:
> DS2100, DS3100, DS5100 and DS5000/200! But relax, a few minor changes
> and
> you'll be back :-). I haven't had a chance to make these myself just
> because I
> don't have the hardware.
> 
> Improvements over 2.1.14.2.dec:
> 
> Well, to be honest, not very much. 2.1.73 dies exactly where the
> latest 2.1.14
> has died before: "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
> 00:00", but
> what would you do without device drivers?. On the other hand, it dies
> in a more
> cleaningly manner :-).
> 
> Changes since 2.1.14.2.dec:
> 
> o Building process: The kernel itself and the "bootloader" code are
> clearly
> seperated from each other. The bootloader does no longer use any
> kernel
> functionality and the kernel does no longer use any prom_functions
> (bye bye,
> prom_printf). The kernel is compiled into ELF format and then
> converted into an
>  a.out image just like for the other MIPS machines. This kernel image
> is linked
> together with the bootloader into an ECOFF image, which can be booted
> via the
> DECstation boot PROM. I have added the option "make netboot" to the
> Makefile to
> do this. There is no need to remove sections any longer.
> 
> o Startup Procedure: This netbootable Image
> (arch/mips/dec/boot/nbImage) will
> be loaded at address 0x80200000, which leaves enough room to work with
> compressed kernel images. This might be necessary in the future for
> certain
> PROM versions. The kernel itself is then copied down to 0x80000000 and
> started.
> This, together with the now no longer needed bootloader, saves nearly
> 200 KB
> memory. PROM functions, on the other hand, will no longer work.
> 
> o Primitive serial console for DECstations with scc chip.
> 
> o Proper kernel initialization: No more "skipping console-init" or
> "skipping
> device_init".
> 
> o Memory sizing routine for pmax-alike Machines (untested!).
> 
> o Code cleanup and better integration into the main source tree.
> 
> Development environment notes:
> 
> This kernel will not compile anymore with the 2.7.*-binutils. You _do_
> need
> 2.8.1-binutils with support for the a.out-mips-little target. Due to
> an
> unresolved linker bug you have to remove the -N option from the final
> kernel
> link (in arch/mips/Makefile).
> 
> Do _not_ use "make menuconfig", it insists on enabling CONFIG_CDROM
> which results in
> an unresolved symbol cdrom_init(). Use "make config" instead.
> 
> You would not see anything unless you enable CONFIG_SERIAL and
> CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE.
> 
> Todo:
> 
> I cannot do this myself, any feedback is appreciated, patches are
> welcome:
> 
> o Test if the startup procedure works on pmax machines.
> 
> o Test and debug the pmax_get_memory routine.
> 
> o Serial console support for DECstations with the DC7085 chip, or
> raster
> console if you like.
> 
> o Test if serial console works on maxines. The serial console is
> hardcoded for
> maxines, regardless of the settings for "console" and "osconsole". If
> you do not see
> anything try playing around with tinycon.c
> 
> o Test if this kernel works so far on R4000 based DECstations.
> 
> Things I am working on:
> 
> o Passing command line parameters to the kernel.
> 
> o Improving serial console for scc chips.
> 
> o Ramdisk support.
> 
> o Better interrupt handling code integration.
> 
> o Turbochannel support.
> 
> For us all:
> 
> o Writing device drivers.
> 
> o Writing device drivers.
> 
> o And, of course, writing device drivers.
> 
> I will be uploading my source tree this evening and it should soon
> appear at:
> 
> http://decstation.unix-ag.org
> 
> Stay tuned,
> Harald

From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de  Wed Mar 11 00:13:34 1998
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Hi,

> Fellow DECstation Hackers,
> 
> I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one:
> 
> The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest Linux/MIPS 
> source tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ 
> and may work on maxines (I hope).

Great !

> I will be uploading my source tree this evening and it should soon appear at:
> 
> http://decstation.unix-ag.org

There was a problem with uploading the file to our server, so there will
be a little delay ... Harald was only able to transfer about 3 MB. I'll
try downloading it to see if I can build a working kernel out of it.

Additionally, I'll try to provide the 2.8 binutils needed to compile the
new kernel.

regards,
	Michael Engel	(engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de)

From chris@t0.or.at  Wed Mar 11 17:22:03 1998
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Hi,

I recently found a ARCSystem MIPS Magnum 4000SC50 
in our backroom, a defunct NT3.51 comes up and I'd
now really like to install linux on that one.

I'm not exactly a kernel hacker though, what I can
offer to contribute is some ftp space here in austria
and I could work on ports of applications or write
/translate documentation in english/german.

Do you know this machine ?
How hard will it be to get it going ?

thanks in advance

x


Das mach ich doch mit Lynx ....

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printf("Hello World\n");

Thought you might be interested:

>>boot 3/tftp root=/dev/ram
854208+103520+99680
Found a REX compatible boot PROM!

[lot of stuff snipped]

Linux version 2.1.73 (harry@franz) (gcc version 2.7.2) #10 Thu Mar 12 18:25:49 8
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Starting kswapd v 1.23
Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size
RAMDISK: Ext2 filesystem found at block 0
RAMDISK: Loading 100 blocks into ram disk... done.
EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Warning: unable to open an initial console.
Kernel panic: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.
 
---
regards,
Harald

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Hi everybody,

I'm developing a new hardware based on R3041. I'm interested to 
install Linux on it.
Is anybody interested in cooperating, writing  the necessary drivers 
for my hardware?

Regards
G. Migliorini

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On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 06:39:34PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> printf("Hello World\n");
> 
> Thought you might be interested:
> 
> >>boot 3/tftp root=/dev/ram
> 854208+103520+99680
> Found a REX compatible boot PROM!
> 
> [lot of stuff snipped]
> 
> Linux version 2.1.73 (harry@franz) (gcc version 2.7.2) #10 Thu Mar 12 18:25:49 8
> POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
> Starting kswapd v 1.23
> Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size
> RAMDISK: Ext2 filesystem found at block 0
> RAMDISK: Loading 100 blocks into ram disk... done.
> EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended

RTC support borken?

> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
> Warning: unable to open an initial console.
> Kernel panic: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.

Nice job!

The next step on is probably putting something executable on the filesystem.
Check out the "Hello, world" program on FNet.  It's written in assembler,
so you don't have to deal with libraries etc.

  Ralf

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On Thu, Mar 12, 1998 at 06:52:08PM +0100, Giuseppe Migliorini wrote:

> I'm developing a new hardware based on R3041. I'm interested to 
> install Linux on it.
> Is anybody interested in cooperating, writing  the necessary drivers 
> for my hardware?

The R3041 does neither have a TLB nor FPU, so Linux doesn't support it.
If you _really_ want to run Linux you'll have to invest some work.  You
might be interested in checking out the port to mmu-less m68k systems
as a base.

  Ralf

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Hi all,

ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote:

> > RAMDISK: Ext2 filesystem found at block 0
> > RAMDISK: Loading 100 blocks into ram disk... done.
> > EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
> 
> RTC support borken?
> 

Thanks for the hint, Ralf, but I'm afraid the RTC is working well. I
simply forgot to take care of the fact that the DEC engineers in their
infinite wisdom decided to use the Dallas clock chip as a TOY (Time Of
Year) clock. The year register contains either 70 or 71 and putting
other values in there will result in a self test failure at power up,
and the register will be reset to 70 or 71. In this particular case the
kernel mounts a file system which will be created 27 years in the
future. If I were the kernel, I'd be confused as well :-).

> > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
> > Warning: unable to open an initial console.
> > Kernel panic: No init found.  Try passing init= option to kernel.
> 
> Nice job!
> 
> The next step on is probably putting something executable on the filesystem.
> Check out the "Hello, world" program on FNet.  It's written in assembler,
> so you don't have to deal with libraries etc.

Sounds good, I'll try that asap.

Harald

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    NeTpower FastSeries SP:

    ARC Vendor ID                            :    [NeTpower]
    ARC Pruduct ID                            :    [00a0040001530007]
    ARC System ID                             :    [NeTpower-Falcon-UP]
    ARC CPU ID                                :    [MIPS-R4600 @ 133 MHz
- Pr 32/3.0, Fp 32/32]
    Processor Type                              :    [R4600 I20 V2.0]
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                                                    John


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Hi all,

Harald wrote:
> Fellow DECstation Hackers,
> 
> I've got good and bad news for you. First the good one:
> 
> The DECstation specific stuff is reintegrated into the latest Linux/MIPS source
> tree which is 2.1.73! This kernel is tested on a kmin and a 3max+ and may
> work on maxines (I hope).
> 
> Now the bad one [Hmmm... where's that asbesto suit...]:
> 
> This Kernel will no longer work on pmax-alike DECstations, which are:
> DS2100, DS3100, DS5100 and DS5000/200! But relax, a few minor changes and
> you'll be back :-). I haven't had a chance to make these myself just because I
> don't have the hardware.

I'm trying to get a kernel running on a 5000/260. The machine runs currently
NETBSD 1.3, but I have not found a linux kernel that will load completely.
Any chances for one of the recent developments to improve this?


Thanks in advance,

-- 
Karel van Houten     
KPN Research, The Netherlands
Internet: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com


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Hia,

I've upgraded the MIPS port to 2.1.89.  Aside of the still unresolved
problem in exit_mm() which I've reported some hours ago is seems to be
working on Indys.  Haven't yet tested the rest of my hardware collection.

I'm particularly interested in reports about the NCR53C9x driver on
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Due to a problem with the mailer setup on linux.linux.sgi.com the usual
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I would like to help to port Linux to my DECstation 5000/200 with 
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I have tried binaries from ftp sites.

I don't know anything about MIPS assembler and I haven't tried to 
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I just found this in misc.forsale.computers.workstation
Maybe we have someone in the Boston area who would like to have one 

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Hi all,

here is another round of lmbench results.  Most notably all benchmarks
that depend on the overhead of syscall entry have improved remarkably.
For comparison I've included some more machines in the table.

The machines:

 indy:     Indy R5000SC 180MHz, 512mb l2 cache, 96mb memory.
 sv002076: Sun Ultra Enterprise E450, 2 x 296MHz Ultra2 CPUs,
           1gb memory (two interleaved).
 dull:     Dell Pentium 200 MMX, 32mb, running Redhat's 2.0.27.
 tbird:    SNI RM200, R4600 133MHz, no second level cache, 32mb memory.

I'm thinking about not saving the temporary registers on syscall entry;
I'm just not shure if this would break the semantics of ptrace(2).
Comments?

Btw, it's a shame for Sun than we can beat their numbers on so much
weaker hardware.

  Ralf

                 L M B E N C H  1 . 9   S U M M A R Y
                 ------------------------------------
		 (Alpha software, do not distribute)

Processor, Processes - times in microseconds - smaller is better
----------------------------------------------------------------
Host                 OS  Mhz null null      open selct sig  sig  fork exec sh  
                             call  I/O stat clos       inst hndl proc proc proc
--------- ------------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
indy           IRIX 6.2  180  2.9  10.0   88  110 2.44K  6.2   36 7.0K  19K  32K
sv002076    SunOS 5.5.1  196  2.6  4.7   31   34 0.21K  5.6   48 2.2K  12K  23K
dull.coba  Linux 2.0.27  200  1.1  1.8   29   44 0.08K  2.5    5 0.8K   5K  15K
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.73  180  4.5  5.4   24   29 0.11K  7.3   19 18.3K  18K  65K
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.90  180  1.3  2.1   23   29 0.10K  3.6   10 1.7K  18K  60K
tbird.wal  Linux 2.1.56  133  6.4  9.2   42   56 0.19K 11.7   26 2.1K  26K  83K

Context switching - times in microseconds - smaller is better
-------------------------------------------------------------
Host                 OS 2p/0K 2p/16K 2p/64K 8p/16K 8p/64K 16p/16K 16p/64K
                        ctxsw  ctxsw  ctxsw ctxsw  ctxsw   ctxsw   ctxsw
--------- ------------- ----- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------- -------
indy           IRIX 6.2   13     20    135    94    301     143     482
sv002076    SunOS 5.5.1   12     16     14    40     23      48      92
dull.coba  Linux 2.0.27    5     52    171    64    244      75     325
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.73    1     27    238          322             780
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.90    2     36    205    55    655      92     717
tbird.wal  Linux 2.1.56   14    176    506   177    516     178     513

*Local* Communication latencies in microseconds - smaller is better
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Host                 OS 2p/0K  Pipe AF     UDP  RPC/   TCP  RPC/ TCP
                        ctxsw       UNIX         UDP         TCP conn
--------- ------------- ----- ----- ---- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----
indy           IRIX 6.2    13    62  126   356   718   361   689 1321
sv002076    SunOS 5.5.1    12    48   70   130         118        840
dull.coba  Linux 2.0.27     5    19   36    89   212   139   289 1276
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.73     1    48  103   105   258   165   412  597
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.90     2    15   31    91   251   170   409  581
tbird.wal  Linux 2.1.56    14    75  168   351   795   575  1120 1549

File & VM system latencies in microseconds - smaller is better
--------------------------------------------------------------
Host                 OS   0K File      10K File      Mmap    Prot    Page	
                        Create Delete Create Delete  Latency Fault   Fault 
--------- ------------- ------ ------ ------ ------  ------- -----   ----- 
indy           IRIX 6.2    450    813   1694   2325     3317         23.0K
sv002076    SunOS 5.5.1   2083    826   2777   3030     4066    13    8.2K
dull.coba  Linux 2.0.27     59      4    106      9     7582     2    0.1K
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.73    112     28                  12222    16    0.3K
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.90                                11000     2    0.3K
tbird.wal  Linux 2.1.56    143     34                  15026     0    0.3K

*Local* Communication bandwidths in MB/s - bigger is better
-----------------------------------------------------------
Host                OS  Pipe AF    TCP  File   Mmap  Bcopy  Bcopy  Mem   Mem
                             UNIX      reread reread (libc) (hand) read write
--------- ------------- ---- ---- ---- ------ ------ ------ ------ ---- -----
indy           IRIX 6.2   33   39   26     23     57     26     54   57    43
sv002076    SunOS 5.5.1   99  134   95    146    156    296    139  157   208
dull.coba  Linux 2.0.27   53   29   23     41    121     49     51  123    88
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.73   57   18    7     28     60      0      0    0     0
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.90   65   26   15     27     60      0      0    0     0
tbird.wal  Linux 2.1.56   22   16    4     25     77     38     74   77    56

Memory latencies in nanoseconds - smaller is better
    (WARNING - may not be correct, check graphs)
---------------------------------------------------
Host                 OS   Mhz  L1 $   L2 $    Main mem    Guesses
--------- -------------   ---  ----   ----    --------    -------
indy           IRIX 6.2   180    11    197         485
sv002076    SunOS 5.5.1   196     6     33         248
dull.coba  Linux 2.0.27   200    10     88         146
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.73   180    10    250         480
indy.wald  Linux 2.1.90   180    10    190         480
tbird.wal  Linux 2.1.56   133    15    274         281    No L2 cache?

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Hi,

sorry for cluttering the list but I got an ancient Olivetti M700-10
and I'd be glad to hear from someone who has such a machine
running and can provide me with his experiences. I'm looking 
for every info and hint regarding this beast since I'm a real MIPS-
and a kind of Linux-Newbie. Currently I'm in the process to get
a friend to burn me the Linux-Mips on CDROM - which kernel 
should I use? (Please respond to me unless you feel your answer
would be of interest to the group.)

TIA & bye,
Peter

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hi,
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siemens rm200 ? A base kernel with instruction on how to boot from a floppy
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> irgendwie mag fnet.fr die zugegeben durch unser Mailsystem verunstaltete
> (aber IHMO gueltige) From Adresse nicht. Da Anwort/Frage primaer dich
> betreffen, schick ich sie nur an dich.

I don't have the holy RFC at hand but if I remember it right unbalanced
violate the spec.  Anyway, if you want to very if your mail is RFC down
to the letter, try mailing Ralph Babel.  If you mail bounces, it isn't  ;-)

> On Tue, Mar 17, 1998 at 11:48:43PM +0100, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote:
> > I've upgraded the MIPS port to 2.1.89.  Aside of the still unresolved
> > problem in exit_mm() which I've reported some hours ago is seems to be
> > working on Indys.  Haven't yet tested the rest of my hardware collection.
> 
> Is the exit_mm() problem still unresolved ?

I solved it.  There is a couple of superfluous fput calls in fs/binfmt_elf.c
Will commit the fix later today along with other bug fixes and performance
improvments.  Still haven't verified if this is a bug in our private
version or in Linus' version as well.

The bad new is that I still haven't been able to track down the case of
memory corruption that is plaguing the Indy.

> > I'm particularly interested in reports about the NCR53C9x driver on
> > Olivetti M700 / Magnum 4000.
> 
> works so far. But I can't say much, because fsck bombs out due to the
> exit_mm() problem. But detection of the scsi devices and mounting the root
> filesystem works.

Ok.  The Indy driver also survived the switch to the new SCSI midlevel
code, so everything went alot smother than initially reading the SCSI
code made me believe.

  Ralf

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Hi,

> sorry for cluttering the list but I got an ancient Olivetti M700-10
> and I'd be glad to hear from someone who has such a machine
> running and can provide me with his experiences. I'm looking 

Easy. Ralf has 2 hard disks of mine. We've gotten close to "getting
a system on them and haveing a go at it" several times. The problem
is Ralf still has the disks... anything on them yet Ralf??? ;)

> for every info and hint regarding this beast since I'm a real MIPS-
> and a kind of Linux-Newbie. Currently I'm in the process to get
> a friend to burn me the Linux-Mips on CDROM - which kernel 
> should I use? (Please respond to me unless you feel your answer
> would be of interest to the group.)

Ralf will have to answer that. I doubt there's one that will work
straight of for you but I'd love to be pleasantly suprised.

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ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes:
 > Hi all,
 > 
 > here is another round of lmbench results.  Most notably all benchmarks
 > that depend on the overhead of syscall entry have improved remarkably.
 > For comparison I've included some more machines in the table.
 > 
 > The machines:
 > 
 >  indy:     Indy R5000SC 180MHz, 512mb l2 cache, 96mb memory.
 >  sv002076: Sun Ultra Enterprise E450, 2 x 296MHz Ultra2 CPUs,
 >            1gb memory (two interleaved).
 >  dull:     Dell Pentium 200 MMX, 32mb, running Redhat's 2.0.27.
 >  tbird:    SNI RM200, R4600 133MHz, no second level cache, 32mb memory.
 > 
 > I'm thinking about not saving the temporary registers on syscall entry;
 > I'm just not shure if this would break the semantics of ptrace(2).
...

      UMIPS-BSD (4.3 BSD on the MIPS M/1000) did not save the temporary
registers on syscall().  It did, of course, save them on interrupts,
so preemption left the registers valid.  I don't see why saving the
registers on syscall should affect ptrace(), since the ptrace()
caller is acting on another process, which will have saved all its
registers if preempted.  That change ought to let the R5000 beat
the Pentium, despite the Indy's miserable memory latency.

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On Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 09:30:05PM -0800, William J. Earl wrote:

>  > I'm thinking about not saving the temporary registers on syscall entry;
>  > I'm just not shure if this would break the semantics of ptrace(2).
> ...
> 
>       UMIPS-BSD (4.3 BSD on the MIPS M/1000) did not save the temporary
> registers on syscall().  It did, of course, save them on interrupts,
> so preemption left the registers valid.  I don't see why saving the
> registers on syscall should affect ptrace(), since the ptrace()
> caller is acting on another process, which will have saved all its
> registers if preempted.  That change ought to let the R5000 beat
> the Pentium, despite the Indy's miserable memory latency.

Yeah, let's make some nice benchmarks that are going to fry the borg :-)
Given that we have that many registers I think we might reach the magic
1.0 microseconds.  It's just 56 cycles we need to get from somewhere ...

I was thinking about ptrace(2) because on Linux it has an option
(PF_TRACESYS) where the tracee is only stopped on syscalls.  Anyway, the
lost registers are just temporary registers, so away with 'em ...

  Ralf

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Hi,

I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25.  After playing with OpenBSD
for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is.  I've got binutils
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built for cross compile.  Any tips?

Cheers,

Matt

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Hello,

I testet my DECstation 5000/240 with PMAG-E 3D accelerator with OpenBSD
without success. I stopped while netbooting from my linux nfs server.
If you get a running kernel, I would be very interested. My customer
asked me to follow the OpenBSD path so I have no time/money to roast
a linux kernel...

Thanx,
  Andreas Heilwagen.

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Hello,

Andreas Heilwagen wrote:
> I testet my DECstation 5000/240 with PMAG-E 3D accelerator with OpenBSD
> without success. I stopped while netbooting from my linux nfs server.

Did your DECstation die immediately after typing "boot 3/tftp"?
If so, your DECstation has a buggy PROM :-(. I had to make similar
experiences myself.

> If you get a running kernel, I would be very interested. My customer
> asked me to follow the OpenBSD path so I have no time/money to roast
> a linux kernel...

Sad to hear that, we could really need some help. Anyway, you can try to
copy the OpenBSD kernel to your bootdrive and boot it via Ultrixboot:
"boot 3/rz[your_drive_number]/[path_to_the_OpenBSD_kernel]".
This works for my Linux Test Kernels :-).

regards,
Harald

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I had some problems with OpenBSD 2.2 booting over the net and an NFS root.
You need ALL of tftpd, rarpd, bootpd AND rpc.bootparamd setup correctly to get
it to boot, and you can log in. (On my DS 5000/25 at any rate).  But device
special
files don't seem to work properly.  ls > /dev/null just hangs the system.
I've tried with HP-UX, and Digital UNIX NFS servers, same result.  In the end
I just hooked the disk up to a linux box and dd'ed the simpleroot image
to disk.

Matt
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Hello,

I testet my DECstation 5000/240 with PMAG-E 3D accelerator with OpenBSD
without success. I stopped while netbooting from my linux nfs server.
If you get a running kernel, I would be very interested. My customer
asked me to follow the OpenBSD path so I have no time/money to roast
a linux kernel...

Thanx,
  Andreas Heilwagen.

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Hello,

Matt Foster wrote:

> I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25.  After playing with OpenBSD
> for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is.  I've got binutils
> 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc
> built for cross compile.  Any tips?

You might want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org. There
you'll find precompiled gcc binaries.

regards,
Harald

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To: linux-mips@fnet.fr
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Hi Harald,

I've got a problem with your latest DECstation Kernel (2.1.73) and need
help or advice. 
I got the new binutils (2.8.1) and they compiled right out of the box, but
when I try to compile the Kernel (gcc 2.7.2, binutils 2.8.1) it breaks
during the last ld call

mipsel-linux-ld -static -G 0 -T arch/mips/ld.script.little -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o arch/mips/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o \
        arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o arch/mips/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o arch/mips/dec/dec.o \
        fs/filesystems.a \
        net/network.a \
        drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a drivers/net/net.a \
        arch/mips/lib/lib.a /home/frieder/linux/linux/lib/lib.a arch/mips/lib/lib.a \
        -o vmlinux
net/network.a(core.o): In function `sock_setsockopt':
sock.c(.text+0x3d0): undefined reference to `dev_get'
sock.c(.text+0x3d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 dev_get
sock.c(.text+0x40c): undefined reference to `ip_route_output'
sock.c(.text+0x40c): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 ip_route_output
make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1

I have no idea about this error and I tried a lot of different
configuration but did'nt succied to resolve the problem. 
Here is the simplest one:
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y

CONFIG_DECSTATION=y
CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y

CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y
CONFIG_ELF_KERNEL=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y

CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y

CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y

It should'nt be to complicated but I do not see the clou.

Any Ideas???

Thanx

Frieder

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Hello all,

On 23-Mar-98 Frieder Streffer wrote:

> I've got a problem with your latest DECstation Kernel (2.1.73) and need
> help or advice. 

[snip]

> net/network.a(core.o): In function `sock_setsockopt':
> sock.c(.text+0x3d0): undefined reference to `dev_get'
> sock.c(.text+0x3d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 dev_get
> sock.c(.text+0x40c): undefined reference to `ip_route_output'
> sock.c(.text+0x40c): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 ip_route_output
> make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1
> 
> I have no idea about this error and I tried a lot of different
> configuration but did'nt succied to resolve the problem. 

I too haven't had success without support networking support.

> Here is the simplest one:
> CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y
> 
> CONFIG_DECSTATION=y
> CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y
> 
> CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y
> CONFIG_ELF_KERNEL=y
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
> 
> CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
> CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
> 
> CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y
> 
> It should'nt be to complicated but I do not see the clou.
> 
> Any Ideas???

Here is (the necessary part of) my .config file:

CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y
CONFIG_DECSTATION=y
CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y
CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y
CONFIG_ELF_KERNEL=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
CONFIG_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y
CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
CONFIG_SERIAL=y
CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y

This works for me.

> 
> Thanx
> 
> Frieder

---
regards,
Harald

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On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 02:19:25PM +0100, Frieder Streffer wrote:

> Hi Harald,
> 
> I've got a problem with your latest DECstation Kernel (2.1.73) and need
> help or advice. 
> I got the new binutils (2.8.1) and they compiled right out of the box, but
> when I try to compile the Kernel (gcc 2.7.2, binutils 2.8.1) it breaks
> during the last ld call
> 
> mipsel-linux-ld -static -G 0 -T arch/mips/ld.script.little -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o arch/mips/kernel/init_task.o init/main.o init/version.o \
>         arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o arch/mips/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o ipc/ipc.o arch/mips/dec/dec.o \
>         fs/filesystems.a \
>         net/network.a \
>         drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/misc/misc.a drivers/net/net.a \
>         arch/mips/lib/lib.a /home/frieder/linux/linux/lib/lib.a arch/mips/lib/lib.a \
>         -o vmlinux
> net/network.a(core.o): In function `sock_setsockopt':
> sock.c(.text+0x3d0): undefined reference to `dev_get'

That one is strange.  dev_get is defined in net/core/dev.c.  Are the object
file net/core/dev.o or net/core/core.o corrupted?  Maybe as/ld dumped
core while writing these object files to the disk?  This occasiaonally
produces such strange acting object files.

> sock.c(.text+0x3d0): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 dev_get
> sock.c(.text+0x40c): undefined reference to `ip_route_output'

That one should be defined as well.

> sock.c(.text+0x40c): relocation truncated to fit: R_MIPS_26 ip_route_output
> make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1

R_MIPS_26 relocations are the relocation that is being used for jumps.  On
MIPS the jump instructions (j and jal) can reach any destination which has
the the highest four bits the same as the current program counter.  The
error message you are seeing indicates that some jump is trying to reach
a destination beyond what is reachable.  This does not happen when
building the kernel.

  Ralf

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I have a Nec RiscServer, and well M$ isn't going to support it anymore.
Plus I wanted a Unix os, and it seems both linux and OpenBSD don't support
the Nec.
Is there any Alpha, anything that I can put on it, besides WindowsNT?
                                                            Thanks
                                                                Cyron

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I also have a NEC RISCstation 2000 with NT 4.0 on it, problem is that there
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Thus, I am also looking for Linux or OpenBSD that will run on this machine.

InCho Chong



-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Do You see the Nec RiscServer being supported any time soon?


>I have a Nec RiscServer, and well M$ isn't going to support it anymore.
>Plus I wanted a Unix os, and it seems both linux and OpenBSD don't support
>the Nec.
>Is there any Alpha, anything that I can put on it, besides WindowsNT?
>                                                            Thanks
>                                                                Cyron
>

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On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 12:58:35PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Matt Foster wrote:
> 
> > I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25.  After playing with OpenBSD
> > for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is.  I've got binutils
> > 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc
> > built for cross compile.  Any tips?
> 
> You might want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org. There
> you'll find precompiled gcc binaries.

I'm trying to run things off an ultra sparc under slowaris 2.6 so I
have to roll my own. Binutils I have built fine. gcc bombs out when
trying to build libgcc2.a with

./libgcc2.c:1419: stdio.h: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [libgcc2.a] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2'
make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib-sub] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2'
make: *** [stmp-multilib] Error 1

Now is there something silly I have missed or do I have to stick
the libc headers somewhere they can be found ???

Stuart Auchterlonie			stuarta@foxboro.com.au

> 
> regards,
> Harald
> 

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On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 08:45:24AM +1100, Stuart Auchterlonie wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 12:58:35PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Matt Foster wrote:
> > 
> > > I've just inherited a DEC Station 5000/25.  After playing with OpenBSD
> > > for a bit I've decided to see how good the Linux port is.  I've got binutils
> > > 2.8.1 built for cross compile, but am having no luck at all getting gcc
> > > built for cross compile.  Any tips?
> > 
> > You might want to have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org. There
> > you'll find precompiled gcc binaries.
> 
> I'm trying to run things off an ultra sparc under slowaris 2.6 so I
> have to roll my own. Binutils I have built fine. gcc bombs out when
> trying to build libgcc2.a with
> 
> ./libgcc2.c:1419: stdio.h: No such file or directory
> make[2]: *** [libgcc2.a] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2'
> make[1]: *** [stmp-multilib-sub] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stuarta/build/gcc-2.7.2'
> make: *** [stmp-multilib] Error 1
> 
> Now is there something silly I have missed or do I have to stick
> the libc headers somewhere they can be found ???

Welcome to the world of bootstrap problems.  You're right in that you
have to install the libc headers.  You can rip the from one of the
binary tarballs or rpms.  Put them into <prefix>/<target>/include/.
You'll also have to create the usual links asm and linux pointing
to a configured kernel source tree.  Finally you'll have to intall the
.o files from the tarball/rpm to <prefix>/<target>/lib/.

  Ralf

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OK,

I've got Haralds kernel compiled, and done the 
objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo .... (.mdebug .fixup __ex_tab)

(without doing this, it give IO timeouts)

Trying to boot via tftp I get :

?IO: 3/tftp, neg lseek (0,76)
1126400

and then hang
Trying to boot from HD (OpenBSD partition) I get

3/rz1/vmlinux : bad magic 30162

DS5000/25

help?!

Config options are

CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y
CONFIG_DECSTATION=y
CONFIG_CPU_R3000=y
CONFIG_CPU_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y
CONFIG_ECOFF_KERNEL=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
CONFIG_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_PACKET=y
CONFIG_NETLINK=y
CONFIG_FIREWALL=y
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_INET=y
CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y
CONFIG_IP_TRANSPARENT_PROXY=y
CONFIG_IP_ALWAYS_DEFRAG=y
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_ICMP=y
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPAUTOFW=y
CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE_IPPORTFW=y
CONFIG_IP_NOSR=y
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
CONFIG_SCSI_GENERIC_NCR5380=y
CONFIG_SCSI_G_NCR5380_PORT=y
CONFIG_SCSI_NCR53C406A=y
CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y
CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
CONFIG_LANCE=y
CONFIG_PPP=y
CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
CONFIG_NFS_FS=y
CONFIG_SUNRPC=y
CONFIG_LOCKD=y
CONFIG_SMB_FS=y
CONFIG_SERIAL=y
CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_CROSSCOMPILE=y

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On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:25:10PM +0100, Matt Foster wrote:

> I've got Haralds kernel compiled, and done the 
> objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo .... (.mdebug .fixup __ex_tab)
> 
> (without doing this, it give IO timeouts)

Removing any of the sections except .reginfo is completly broken.  You
are removing vital kernel information.  If the DECstation loader
is really too dumb to deal with those sections you might try creating
a linker script that joins .fixup and __ex_tab at the end of .data or
so.

  Ralf

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Hello all,

On 24-Mar-98 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 01:25:10PM +0100, Matt Foster wrote:
> 
>> I've got Haralds kernel compiled, and done the 
>> objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo .... (.mdebug .fixup __ex_tab)
>> 
>> (without doing this, it give IO timeouts)

Matt, what kernel do you use? As of linux-2.1.73 removing any sections from the
kernel image is no longer needed. Maybe I should have pointed this out more clearly
while announcing the 2.1.73 kernel.

> 
> Removing any of the sections except .reginfo is completly broken.  You
> are removing vital kernel information.  If the DECstation loader
> is really too dumb to deal with those sections you might try creating
> a linker script that joins .fixup and __ex_tab at the end of .data or
> so.
> 
>   Ralf

Been there, done that :-). You _do_ need the 2.8.1 binutils _with_ support for the
"a.out-mips-little" format. This is _not_ build in by default for the mips*-linux
target, you have to edit "binutils-2.8.1/bfd/config.bfd" before building the
binutils. When your setup is correct, type "make netboot" instead of "make vmlinux"
and you will find a netbootable ECOFF image in "linux/arch/mips/dec/boot" with the
name "nbImage".

Keep hacking :-).

---
regards,
Harald

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On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 05:07:48PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> Been there, done that :-). You _do_ need the 2.8.1 binutils _with_ support for the
> "a.out-mips-little" format. This is _not_ build in by default for the mips*-linux
> target, you have to edit "binutils-2.8.1/bfd/config.bfd" before building the
> binutils. When your setup is correct, type "make netboot" instead of "make vmlinux"
> and you will find a netbootable ECOFF image in "linux/arch/mips/dec/boot" with the
> name "nbImage".

Harald, I removed the support for a.out targets because I didn't see any
point in carrying it around anymore.  Is using a.out just a temporary
hack or do you wish to revive a.out in the standard binutils sources
which I'm distributing?

I think I should warn you about that crossformat linking is very broken
and fixing all the problem cases is that tough that some people at Cygnus
don't want to fix it if you threaten them by weapon force.  In short, the
best is to leave things as they are.  Link ELF -> ELF only and use some
simple converter like mkboot or the one in the Milo sources to generate
a.out / ECOFF binaries.

Btw, reading the code to switch context on R2000 / R3000 machines I found
that it is completly broken.  I fixed parts of it but I doubt that it is
working correctly.

  Ralf

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Hi Ralf,

On 24-Mar-98 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote:

> Harald, I removed the support for a.out targets because I didn't see any
> point in carrying it around anymore.  Is using a.out just a temporary
> hack or do you wish to revive a.out in the standard binutils sources
> which I'm distributing?

Using a.out _is_ a temporary hack until we have a disk bootloader up and running.
IMHO there is no need to revive a.out.

> I think I should warn you about that crossformat linking is very broken
> and fixing all the problem cases is that tough that some people at Cygnus
> don't want to fix it if you threaten them by weapon force.  In short, the
> best is to leave things as they are.  Link ELF -> ELF only and use some
> simple converter like mkboot or the one in the Milo sources to generate
> a.out / ECOFF binaries.

Oops, looks like I'm lucky not having encountered any problems so far :-). After
making some experiments with elf2ecoff without success, linking the a.out Image
which mkboot builds with some startup code seemed to be the easiest solution to me.
Anyway, this will become superfluid when we have a real bootloader (tm). 
 
> Btw, reading the code to switch context on R2000 / R3000 machines I found
> that it is completly broken.  I fixed parts of it but I doubt that it is
> working correctly.

cvs commit?

---
regards,
Harald

From ralf@uni-koblenz.de  Thu Mar 26 02:15:09 1998
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On Wed, Mar 25, 1998 at 04:39:59PM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote:

> > Btw, reading the code to switch context on R2000 / R3000 machines I found
> > that it is completly broken.  I fixed parts of it but I doubt that it is
> > working correctly.
> 
> cvs commit?

Will commit it as soon as I fixed another bunch of changes which also affect
r2300_switch.S.

  Ralf

From anansi@sdv.fr  Thu Mar 26 09:30:35 1998
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Bonjour, 

Je me permet de vous ecrire car je cherche une info
et je n'arrive pas à trouver la réponse à ma question.
En fait je souhaiterai savoir s'il existe une version
de Linux pour les machines SGI Personal Iris 4D/25 (à 
base de R3000 donc)
Je sais qu'un developpement pour les vieilles machines
à base de R3000 avait été commencé mais ca n'as pas
l'air d'avancer et je ne sais pas si cela pour etre
utilisable pour cette machine.

Merci d'avance si vous pouvez me renseigner

Cordialement

Vincent THOMAS
anansi@sdv.fr

From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de  Thu Mar 26 10:47:01 1998
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Hi Harald, Hi Ralf,

thanx again for your advice. The Kernel boots fine and the memory sizing
routine does work for the DS2100/3100. I will hopefully find time during
the weekend to incorporate the rasterconsoledriver (still only a hack but
better than nothing) I have.

regards

Frieder

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Greetings,

This is a message I've just received from the OpenBSD announce-list.
It looks like -as support for OpenBSD/pmax will be dropped- production
quality linux/MIPS could become more important; especially for owner of
older dec-hardware.

--- begin import
|    From: Thomas Graichen <graichen@rzpd.de> Subject: ANNOUNCE: no 2.3
| release of OpenBSD/pmax Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:33:58 +0100 (MET)
|    To: announce@openbsd.org
|
| i just want to tell all the users of OpenBSD/pmax that there will be
| no 2.3 release of OpenBSD for the pmax platform - and as far as no
| other jumps in for maintaining the OpenBSD/pmax port it will die -
| i'll no longer do anything on it because theo decided that it is not
| worth it (due to the bad quality it has at the moment - maybe you can
| compare that with your experiences with OpenBSD/pmax) and the fact
| that nobody else (aside from maja - thanks to you) ever did anything
| on the pmax and other reasons i don't want to mention here in detail
| -  i'm very sorry about that - it was fun to help all the people
| getting their pmaxes running - sorry

Cheerio! Kr. Bonne.
-- 
Kr. Bonne - Bredene BEL
Member of the linux/GNU-community.


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In message <199803262028.VAA00618@thor.private>
kristoff.bonne@skynet.be writes: 
: This is a message I've just received from the OpenBSD announce-list.
: It looks like -as support for OpenBSD/pmax will be dropped- production
: quality linux/MIPS could become more important; especially for owner of
: older dec-hardware.

The message that was sent to the OpenBSD announce list was not as
clear as it could have been.  Theo de Raadt is taking over the
production and maintance of the OpenBSD/pmax release.

Warner

From K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com  Mon Mar 30 10:54:31 1998
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From: "Houten K.H.C. van (Karel)" <K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com>
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Hi all,

Can someone please help me with the configuration of binutils and gcc
for the DECstation targets, running on intel linux. I want to compile
linux kernels for DECstations on my intel system, and boot the DECstation
over tftp. I seem te have troubles getting the correct architectures
configured for binutils and gcc (error while compiling the cross-compiler).

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Karel van Houten     
KPN Research, The Netherlands
Internet: K.H.C.vanHouten@research.kpn.com


From ralf@uni-koblenz.de  Tue Mar 31 08:53:07 1998
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On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 10:54:18AM +0200, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:

> Can someone please help me with the configuration of binutils and gcc
> for the DECstation targets, running on intel linux. I want to compile
> linux kernels for DECstations on my intel system, and boot the DECstation
> over tftp. I seem te have troubles getting the correct architectures
> configured for binutils and gcc (error while compiling the cross-compiler).

I'm going to upload rpms of uptodate binaries so just ``rpm --install''
will do the job for people with Intel machines.

  Ralf

From mjhnsn@u.washington.edu  Tue Mar 31 09:16:36 1998
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From: Melissa Johnson <mjhnsn@u.washington.edu>
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On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 10:54:18AM +0200, Houten K.H.C. van (Karel) wrote:
> > Can someone please help me with the configuration of binutils and gcc
> > for the DECstation targets, running on intel linux. I want to compile
[snip]
> I'm going to upload rpms of uptodate binaries so just ``rpm --install''
> will do the job for people with Intel machines.

I'm also having trouble configuring binutils/gcc, and I'm the type of
person who'd like to know how to do something, not just have the tools
available to do it.
There is/was a text file which described how to crosscompile using old
patches and old versions.  If this could be updated to the most recent
versions, I would find it even more useful than fully configured
installable "click-on-the-start-button" utilities. :)

thanks,
 - Michael

From sonoda@flab.fujitsu.co.jp  Tue Mar 31 12:58:29 1998
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From: Toshihiro Sonoda <sonoda@flab.fujitsu.co.jp>
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I can't cross-compile the milo source on intex-linux.
I want to cross-compile the pandora or milo.
The compiling result is following,

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making all in libstand
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libstand'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libstand'
making all in libarc
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libarc'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/libarc'
making all in src
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/src'
mipsel-linux-ld -N -oformat ecoff-littlemips -Ttext 0x80600000 -e _entry -o pandora a.out.o acer_pica_61.o arcident.o bitags.o boot.o cpu.
o crt0.o dskst_tyne.o expandpath.o g364.o launch.o magnum.o mkargs.o rm200-pci.o version.o  arcmemory.o commands.o disasm.o dumpcp0r.o 
pandora.o pandoramain.o parser.o -L../libstand -L../libarc -lstand -larc -lstand
a.out.o(.text+0x0): undefined reference to `_gp_disp'
make[1]: *** [pandora] Segmentation fault
make[1]: *** Deleting file `pandora'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/home/sonoda/work/Mips/milo-0.27/src'
make: *** [all] Error 1
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

What is "_gp_disp" ? Where is it defined ?

I use "i486-linux/mipsel-linux/gcc-2.7.2-3.tar.gz",
      "i486-linux/mipsel-linux/binutils-2.7-3.tar.gz",
      "linux-2.0.21.tar.gz" as Linux/Mips
      "milo-0.27.tar.gz" as booter.

Thank for your advice.

----
 Toshihiro Sonoda  sonoda@flab.fujitsu.co.jp

From ralf@uni-koblenz.de  Tue Mar 31 14:44:53 1998
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On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:03:46PM +0900, Toshihiro Sonoda wrote:

> I can't cross-compile the milo source on intex-linux.
> I want to cross-compile the pandora or milo.

The symbol _gp_disp is automatically generated by the linker when linking
PIC code.  Milo 0.27 doesn't compile on current MIPS crosscompilers
anymore; upgrade to 0.27.1.

In general building Milo is a troublesome, that's why the package includes
binaries.  Depending of what machine you're using Milo 0.27 can still be
used; on the SNI firmware 0.27.1 is required.

What machine are you using?

  Ralf

