From lembark@wrkhors.com Sat Jan 3 20:01:44 1998 Received: from bird.wrkhors.com (root@bird.wrkhors.com [209.113.60.146]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA18532; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:01:41 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:01:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from getz.wrkhors.com (d01.ch.cin.net [204.120.62.11]) by bird.wrkhors.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05322 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:01:18 -0600 Sender: lembark@wrkhors.com Message-ID: <34AE8851.7F0FAED2@wrkhors.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:49:53 -0600 From: Steven Lembark Organization: Workhorse Computing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; U; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: 5000/200 sitting here... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 295 Lines: 7 I have a DECStation 5000/200 w/ 32MB of RAM. Unit was used for graphics app's and has a nice z-buffered graphics card also. Currently the unit is used for nothing, and can easily be set up to beta (or alpha) test anything someone needs checked out (once i get it to boot linux :-). enjoi, sl From adyer@midway.com Fri Jan 2 20:33:39 1998 Received: from zaphod.wms.com (adyer.pr.mcs.net [199.3.40.84]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA10355; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:33:35 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:33:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from zaphod.wms.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.wms.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00602; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:32:33 -0600 Sender: adyer@zaphod.wms.com Message-ID: <34AE9251.6F438D0D@midway.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:32:33 -0600 From: "Andrew M. Dyer" Organization: Midway Games, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01GoldC-Caldera (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux/Mips mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 169 Lines: 3 I am interested in porting Linux/MIPS to our embedded boards. I would like to get onto the Linux/MIPS mailing list. Please send any info to adyer@mcs.net. Thnak you. From tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp Mon Jan 5 12:51:38 1998 Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (firewall-user@kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA02487; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:51:32 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:51:32 +0100 (MET) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id UAA05574; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:51:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma005564; Mon, 5 Jan 98 20:51:05 +0900 Received: from nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W9-97112516) with ESMTP id UAA18022; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:51:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from katana.na.kubota.co.jp (katana.na.kubota.co.jp [133.253.116.199]) by nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp (8.7.4+2.6Wbeta6/3.4W4-03/20/96) with ESMTP id UAA00803; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:48:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by katana.na.kubota.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6Wbeta7-971117) with ESMTP id LAA10711; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:48:17 GMT To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Magnum 4000. X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92.4 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Face-Version: X-Face utility v1.2.9 - "Strawberry Fields Forever" X-Face: 7i9VD[%efn--h~!0Z3:KC{oUeq)8FWU<42{]%@#^acK1fs\\6TUBGRocwpkO( LhobI1)FDcE6S_8e1Ega2?Mhgd`Efo4X!QZ+=lL#JZ\^VXZ=li'#WYP{I#6t_J'[gGr!w]bVR73j[p Q?g7_Y~STbZsHV&^;v2j]1jhM"VJ-^_y~5>7m.rEslEZpf3>4{?{v]ZAg$U`q)&|"Zl-s']/.J09+' 0I|Tu&bC&bg Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980105204816S.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:48:16 +0900 (JST) From: Tatsuya Nakamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Content-Length: 341 Lines: 13 Hello. Does anyone use the Linux/MIPS on Magnum 4000 ? Please tell me the status of supporting Magnum 4000 and stable kernel version. with best Regards. +-------------------------------------------+ | KGT Inc,. Nagoya Service Center | | Tatsuya Nakamura tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp | +-------------------------------------------+ From tel@wzl-mtq1.wzl.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 5 13:48:53 1998 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA03179; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:48:51 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:48:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from jl1 (thr03.WZL.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail (PMDF V5.1-10 #23726) with SMTP id <01IS0Q5UL6QM8WWBZ4@mail> for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:45:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:45:04 +0100 From: Theo Eleftheriadis Subject: MIPS R3000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Message-id: <34B0D5D0.5164@wzl-mtq1.wzl.rwth-aachen.de> Organization: WZL der RWTH Aachen MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [de] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 278 Lines: 9 Hello Sirs, to which extent i can use Linux on a Decstation 5000 i am very interested in, please give me further information, unfortunately the link on your mips reference page is out of reach. Thank you very much for further advice and help. Kind regards Theo Eleftheriadis From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Mon Jan 5 18:46:35 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA06172; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:34 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:20 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xpGbK-002OhqC; Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:46 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA02840; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:35:48 +0100 Message-ID: <19980105183547.63136@alpha.franken.de> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:35:47 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp Subject: Re: Magnum 4000. References: <19980105204816S.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980105204816S.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp>; from Tatsuya Nakamura on Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 08:48:16PM +0900 Content-Length: 725 Lines: 20 > Does anyone use the Linux/MIPS on Magnum 4000 ? I'm using it on a Olivetti M700, which is very simliar to a Magnum 4000. > Please tell me the status of supporting Magnum 4000 and stable kernel > version. Right now I'm compling redhat 5.0 binaries and the kernel I'm using is quite stable (I've found a problem with the console this morning, but working via a network connection is ok). You can find the kernel sources, which I'm using in the following place: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com/pub/test/linux-magnum-971229.tar.gz Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Mon Jan 5 18:46:38 1998 Received: from louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr (louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr [194.199.90.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA06177; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:36 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.8.5/97.12.17/louis-blanc); id SAA03778; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:46:22 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xpGbK-002OhsC; Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:46 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA02852; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: <19980105184510.65220@alpha.franken.de> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:45:10 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: gcc -shared ... -lc ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 Content-Length: 1173 Lines: 31 Hi, while compiling redhat 5.0 rpms, I've found something very strange, when building shared libraries. Some of the built shared libs are very big and a nm on them shows, that the whole libc (I guess so) is included. Binaries inked against these library just dump core. The built line for these shared libs always ends with a -lc. Now I'm wondering wether this is a ld bug or just a user error. What's really weird is the following patch from one of the redhat rpms: --- termcap-2.0.8/Makefile.ewt Tue Jul 8 11:08:00 1997 +++ termcap-2.0.8/Makefile Tue Jul 8 11:08:12 1997 @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ $(SHARED_LIB): $(OBJS) cd pic; \ - $(CC) -shared -o ../$@ -Wl,-soname,$(SONAME_SHARED_LIB) $(OBJS) + $(CC) -shared -o ../$@ -Wl,-soname,$(SONAME_SHARED_LIB) $(OBJS) -lc pic: -if [ ! -d pic ]; then mkdir pic; fi So it looks like the ld for alpha and i386 don't include the whole libc when linked with the comand line above. Any hints ? Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From tim@caddyshack.cobaltmicro.com Mon Jan 5 19:03:16 1998 Received: from mail.cobaltmicro.com ([209.19.61.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA07259; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:03:14 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:03:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from caddyshack.cobaltmicro.com (caddyshack.cobaltmicro.com [209.19.61.17]) by mail.cobaltmicro.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA18532; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:10:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 10:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy Stonis To: linux-mips@fnet.fr cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? In-Reply-To: <19980105184510.65220@alpha.franken.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1400 Lines: 40 This is a bug in binutils. I think it is fixed in version 2.8.1. Ralf is more familiar with the problem. _Tim On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > Hi, > > while compiling redhat 5.0 rpms, I've found something very strange, when > building shared libraries. Some of the built shared libs are very big and > a nm on them shows, that the whole libc (I guess so) is included. Binaries > inked against these library just dump core. The built line for these shared > libs always ends with a -lc. Now I'm wondering wether this is a ld bug or > just a user error. What's really weird is the following patch from one > of the redhat rpms: > > --- termcap-2.0.8/Makefile.ewt Tue Jul 8 11:08:00 1997 > +++ termcap-2.0.8/Makefile Tue Jul 8 11:08:12 1997 > @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ > > $(SHARED_LIB): $(OBJS) > cd pic; \ > - $(CC) -shared -o ../$@ -Wl,-soname,$(SONAME_SHARED_LIB) $(OBJS) > + $(CC) -shared -o ../$@ -Wl,-soname,$(SONAME_SHARED_LIB) $(OBJS) -lc > > pic: > -if [ ! -d pic ]; then mkdir pic; fi > > So it looks like the ld for alpha and i386 don't include the whole libc > when linked with the comand line above. Any hints ? > > Thomas. > > -- > See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, > you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) > [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] > From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Jan 5 22:12:34 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA09207; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:12:32 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:12:32 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18587 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:12:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02836; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:09:19 +0100 Message-ID: <19980105220916.59435@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:09:16 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? References: <19980105184510.65220@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980105184510.65220@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 06:45:10PM +0100 Content-Length: 1635 Lines: 42 On Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 06:45:10PM +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > while compiling redhat 5.0 rpms, I've found something very strange, when > building shared libraries. Some of the built shared libs are very big and > a nm on them shows, that the whole libc (I guess so) is included. Binaries > inked against these library just dump core. The built line for these shared > libs always ends with a -lc. Now I'm wondering wether this is a ld bug or > just a user error. What's really weird is the following patch from one > of the redhat rpms: > > --- termcap-2.0.8/Makefile.ewt Tue Jul 8 11:08:00 1997 > +++ termcap-2.0.8/Makefile Tue Jul 8 11:08:12 1997 > @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ > > $(SHARED_LIB): $(OBJS) > cd pic; \ > - $(CC) -shared -o ../$@ -Wl,-soname,$(SONAME_SHARED_LIB) $(OBJS) > + $(CC) -shared -o ../$@ -Wl,-soname,$(SONAME_SHARED_LIB) $(OBJS) -lc > > pic: > -if [ ! -d pic ]; then mkdir pic; fi The code of libtermcap.so contains dependencies of the libc version it was compiled with, that's why it has to be linked against libc. Most old libraries were not linked against libc. This became a problem when with the introduction of libc6 the case of having multiple libc linked into a program had to be handled. For example: vi |--> libtermcap.so.2 |--> libc.so.6 |--> libc.so.5 The of course only work right when libtermcap has been linked against libc. > So it looks like the ld for alpha and i386 don't include the whole libc > when linked with the comand line above. Any hints ? This is a binutils 2.7 bug. Upgrading to 2.8.1 solves the problem. Ralf From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Tue Jan 6 00:17:30 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA11649; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:17:28 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:17:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:17:21 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xpLli-002OhsC; Tue, 6 Jan 98 00:17 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA04549; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:16:21 +0100 Message-ID: <19980106001619.35362@alpha.franken.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:16:19 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? References: <19980105184510.65220@alpha.franken.de> <19980105220916.59435@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980105220916.59435@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Mon, Jan 05, 1998 at 10:09:16PM +0100 Content-Length: 434 Lines: 13 > > So it looks like the ld for alpha and i386 don't include the whole libc > > when linked with the comand line above. Any hints ? > > This is a binutils 2.7 bug. Upgrading to 2.8.1 solves the problem. this is with binutils-2.8.1 Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Tue Jan 6 00:48:50 1998 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA13178; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:48:45 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:48:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA26338; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:47:52 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xpMZT-0005FsC; Tue, 6 Jan 98 00:08 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? To: tsbogend@alpha.franken.de (Thomas Bogendoerfer) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:08:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <19980106001619.35362@alpha.franken.de> from "Thomas Bogendoerfer" at Jan 6, 98 00:16:19 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 283 Lines: 7 > > This is a binutils 2.7 bug. Upgrading to 2.8.1 solves the problem. > > this is with binutils-2.8.1 Oh good its not me seeing things. Ralf - could there be two sets of your binutils-2.8.1 one working one not and could you maybe post MD5 hashes of your binaries you know work ? From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Jan 6 22:21:35 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA25622; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:21:33 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:21:33 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-27.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.27]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22549 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:21:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA03844; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:33:03 +0100 Message-ID: <19980106103147.49369@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:31:47 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: Thomas Bogendoerfer , linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? References: <19980106001619.35362@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 12:08:38AM +0000 Content-Length: 696 Lines: 18 On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 12:08:38AM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > > This is a binutils 2.7 bug. Upgrading to 2.8.1 solves the problem. > > > > this is with binutils-2.8.1 > > Oh good its not me seeing things. Ralf - could there be two sets of your > binutils-2.8.1 one working one not and could you maybe post MD5 hashes > of your binaries you know work ? Right now I suspect a packaging problem because for me everything is working fine. Maybe one of you could verify that it's actually the ld from binutils 2.8.1 that is installed on your systems rsp. contained in the packages you've used to install? Check the output of ``ld -v''. I'll post the MD5 sums later when I return home. Ralf From sanson_n@epita.fr Tue Jan 6 14:41:45 1998 Received: from concorde.epita.fr (concorde.epi.net [194.98.116.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id OAA18359; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:41:39 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:41:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from haux.epita.fr [163.5.1.137] by concorde.epita.fr for (SMTP) Paris France Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:43:12 GMT Received: from contact.epita.fr [10.4.5.2] by aux for Paris France Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:41:38 GMT Message-ID: <34B242E6.1C181E41@epita.fr> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:42:46 +0000 From: Nicolas Sansonetti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux on RM200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 205 Lines: 8 Hi! I've got a RM200 (Siemens Nixdorf), and i would like to install linux. Could you give me more informations about this idea ? Thanks in advance Nicolas Sansonetti From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Tue Jan 6 16:26:29 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA19237; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:26:27 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:26:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:26:14 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xpatD-002OhsC; Tue, 6 Jan 98 16:25 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA00432; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:21:06 +0100 Message-ID: <19980106162106.28163@alpha.franken.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:21:06 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: Alan Cox Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? References: <19980106001619.35362@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: ; from Alan Cox on Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 12:08:38AM +0000 Content-Length: 1212 Lines: 37 On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 12:08:38AM +0000, Alan Cox wrote: > > > This is a binutils 2.7 bug. Upgrading to 2.8.1 solves the problem. > > > > this is with binutils-2.8.1 > > Oh good its not me seeing things. Ralf - could there be two sets of your > binutils-2.8.1 one working one not and could you maybe post MD5 hashes > of your binaries you know work ? I'm using the little endian rpm from ftp.linux.sgi.com. Here is the md5sum: bce052ce002cbe434133cecf2c4a4f10 binutils-2.8.1-1.mips.rpm and: Linux mips.franken.de 2.1.72 #140 Sat Jan 3 23:43:04 MET 1998 mips [root@mips /root]# ld --version GNU ld 2.8.1 Copyright 1997 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This program is free software; you may redistribute it under the terms of the GNU General Public License. This program has absolutely no warranty. Supported emulations: elf32lmip elf32bmip mipslit mipsbig I'm sure the binutils 2.7, I've used before, didn't have the bug. But I wanted to make the redhat-5.0 rpms with the newer binutils. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From jduncan@rand.com Tue Jan 6 17:11:02 1998 Received: from hatch.rand.com (hatch.rand.com [207.107.175.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA19933; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:10:59 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:10:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from roger.rand.com by hatch.rand.com via smtpd (for guadalquivir.fnet.fr [193.104.112.133]) with SMTP; 6 Jan 1998 16:10:45 UT Received: from rand.com (bedrock.rand.com [199.43.160.3]) by roger.rand.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA03987 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:08:49 -0500 (EST) Sender: jduncan@Rand.COM Message-ID: <34B25760.4F359C48@rand.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:10:08 -0600 From: Josh Duncan - Systems Technician Chicago Organization: Rand Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: linux on mips, another box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 409 Lines: 14 Hello, I have a couple netpower risc workstations at work that no one is using, I thought I would see what I could put on them. Do you know if anyone has used these before, or heard of them, for mips linux? I believe they are 4400 processors. Also, I didn't see much documentation for installing mips linux. is this in the ftp sites, or non-existent? Josh Duncan jduncan@rand.com. duncan@msmd.com. From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Tue Jan 6 21:18:34 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA23231; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:18:32 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:18:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:18:23 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xpfRx-002Og1C; Tue, 6 Jan 98 21:18 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA01497; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:11:54 +0100 Message-ID: <19980106211154.11378@alpha.franken.de> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:11:54 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: gcc -shared ... -lc ? References: <19980105184510.65220@alpha.franken.de> <19980105220916.59435@uni-koblenz.de> <19980106001619.35362@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980106001619.35362@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 12:16:19AM +0100 Content-Length: 751 Lines: 21 On Tue, Jan 06, 1998 at 12:16:19AM +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > > So it looks like the ld for alpha and i386 don't include the whole libc > > > when linked with the comand line above. Any hints ? > > > > This is a binutils 2.7 bug. Upgrading to 2.8.1 solves the problem. > > this is with binutils-2.8.1 Ok, I've found the problem. The installed binutils are 2.8.1, but the binutils gcc used were 2.7. They got used by gcc, because they were in /usr/mipsel-linux/bin. I've removed them and all works fine now. Sorry for the false alarm. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed Jan 7 00:19:31 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA27443; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:19:29 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:19:29 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-09.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.9]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26917 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:19:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA05242; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:05:46 +0100 Message-ID: <19980107000546.28542@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:05:46 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Binutils ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Content-Length: 516 Lines: 12 After Thomas posted his analysis of his binutils bug I doublechecked the binutils binary package. It doesn't contain the arch directory because I used the RedHat spec file which (imho a superfluous attempt to be overly conforming to the FHS) explicitly build the binutils without the arch directory. I'll upload a fixed package shortly. Alan, what were your sympthoms again, did the built executables crash or the linker itself? I understood the later ... Oh, and a happy new year to you all out there! Ralf From tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp Wed Jan 7 12:37:51 1998 Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (firewall-user@kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA03368; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:44 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:37:44 +0100 (MET) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id UAA24703; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:37:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma024682; Wed, 7 Jan 98 20:37:14 +0900 Received: from nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W9-97112516) with ESMTP id UAA27386; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:37:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from katana.na.kubota.co.jp (katana.na.kubota.co.jp [133.253.116.199]) by nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp (8.7.4+2.6Wbeta6/3.4W4-03/20/96) with ESMTP id UAA16497; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:34:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by katana.na.kubota.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6Wbeta7-971117) with ESMTP id LAA08046; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:34:20 GMT To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: about nfsroot option. X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92.4 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Face-Version: X-Face utility v1.2.9 - "Strawberry Fields Forever" X-Face: 7i9VD[%efn--h~!0Z3:KC{oUeq)8FWU<42{]%@#^acK1fs\\6TUBGRocwpkO( LhobI1)FDcE6S_8e1Ega2?Mhgd`Efo4X!QZ+=lL#JZ\^VXZ=li'#WYP{I#6t_J'[gGr!w]bVR73j[p Q?g7_Y~STbZsHV&^;v2j]1jhM"VJ-^_y~5>7m.rEslEZpf3>4{?{v]ZAg$U`q)&|"Zl-s']/.J09+' 0I|Tu&bC&bg Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980107203419X.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:34:19 +0900 (JST) From: Tatsuya Nakamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Content-Length: 328 Lines: 11 Hello. Please tell me about what the version of kernel supporting nfsroot option and no problem with Magnum 4000 console. with best Regards. +-------------------------------------------+ | KGT Inc,. Nagoya Service Center | | Tatsuya Nakamura tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp | +-------------------------------------------+ From adyer@Jupiter.Mcs.Net Wed Jan 7 16:51:56 1998 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA06022; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:51:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:51:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (adyer@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA09093 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:51:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (adyer@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA28142 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:51:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:51:48 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Dyer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Current tools and patches In-Reply-To: <19980106103147.49369@uni-koblenz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 764 Lines: 13 Hello, I am in the process of building the cross development tools for a port of linux-mips to some new hardware. Is there a list of what all the correct versions are for gcc, binutils, gdb, libc, etc... and any patches that should be applied to those versions?? As another topic, I've been trying to build egcs-1.0 as a cross compiler from linux to mips64el-unknown-elf and been having some problems. Anyone have a recipe for doing that? | Andrew Dyer or | | Sr. Design Engineer (773) 961-1751 | | Midway Games, Inc. (773) 961-1890 (fax) | | 2727 W. Roscoe Ave., Chicago, IL 60618 | From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Jan 8 05:37:39 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA10427; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:37:37 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:37:37 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-05.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.5]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10948 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:37:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07154; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:30:18 +0100 Message-ID: <19980107202902.00124@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:29:02 +0100 To: "K." Cc: "Andrew John O'Brien" , linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: r4600 no L2 cache kernel References: <19980107061739.06864@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from K. on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 04:45:18PM +1100 Content-Length: 1270 Lines: 27 On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 04:45:18PM +1100, K. wrote: > > I'm currently extremly overloaded by my job. Let me see if I can find > > time to do something for your before the weekend. > > thanks for the tip about patching the stock FSF binutils-2.8.1 - we > managed to get a kernel compiled without ld errors (as of about half an > hour ago) and now we're trying to get it to boot with the installer etc. > (It booted via bootp until some nfs errors, without going into a spin or > panic, so all is looking good - we're seeing if we can get it to boot > straight of disk before reconfiguring nfs, as we'll need to boot of disk > eventually...) > > Hopefully then we should be able to get it booting ourselves shortly. > Thanks for the offer, we'll be sure to let you know if we screw up and > need to make use of it! Btw, I took a closer look at the warnings that your binutils were generating. As it looks all binutils 2.x MIPS assemblers so far have the bug that they mark the symbolic reference to a undefined function as a reference to data. Your new linker now throws warnings for this. Don't worry about this bug, it shouldn't have any effect. The bug that was actually crashing the kernel when built with your linker version must be something else. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Jan 8 05:34:48 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA10390; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:34:46 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:34:46 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-05.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.5]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10927 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:34:41 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA07930; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:31:10 +0100 Message-ID: <19980108053109.32043@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:31:09 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: about nfsroot option. References: <19980107203419X.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980107203419X.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp>; from Tatsuya Nakamura on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 08:34:19PM +0900 Content-Length: 268 Lines: 8 On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 08:34:19PM +0900, Tatsuya Nakamura wrote: > Please tell me about what the version of kernel supporting nfsroot option > and no problem with Magnum 4000 console. I haven't used NFS root for a long time but afaik it's currently broken. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Jan 8 23:22:15 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id XAA15964; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:22:12 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:22:12 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-10.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.10]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07377 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:22:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08045; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: <19980108090042.61431@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:00:42 +0100 To: linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ld problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Content-Length: 116 Lines: 4 I fixed the reported ld problems and will whenever I find the time upload the stuff to the usual ftp sites. Ralf From SPRAGUEM@MAIL.ECU.EDU Thu Jan 8 19:41:02 1998 Received: from ecuwww.ecu.edu (ecuwww.ecu.edu [150.216.17.14]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA14496; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:41:00 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:41:00 +0100 (MET) Received: by ecuwww.ecu.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:42:46 -0500 Message-ID: <5198E18CD0B2D011A25C00805FEA9712943719@ECUMAIL2> From: "Sprague, Mark William" To: "'linux-mips@fnet.fr'" Subject: Linux-Mips Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:33:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 625 Lines: 21 Hello, I have a DECStation 5000/125 gathering dust in my office, and I would desperately like to run Linux-Mips on it. I do not have a lot of experience hacking kernals, but I would be willing to help you try anything out. Please let me know if there is anything I can do. -Mark Sprague ---------------------------------------------------- Mark Sprague Assistant Professor Department of Physics East Carolina University Greenville, NC 27858 U.S.A. Phone: 919-328-1862 Fax: 919-328-6314 Email: spraguem@mail.ecu.edu URL: http://ecuvax.cis.ecu.edu/~phspragu/howdy.html ---------------------------------------------------- From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Thu Jan 8 23:34:52 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id XAA16052; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:34:50 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:34:50 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-10.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.10]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07791 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:34:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA01217; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:31:42 +0100 Message-ID: <19980108233142.45335@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:31:42 +0100 To: linux@engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: New binutils Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e Content-Length: 922 Lines: 28 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, I've uploaded a new set of binutils to ftp.linux.sgi.com. They fix the packaging error that was causing trouble for people which were upgrading from binutils 2.7 to the rpm of binutils-2.8.1-1. It also contains the workaround for the GCC long long bug I reported some time ago and some other small things. Have fun ... Ralf 73ead44770a42b12edd435dc3f13bbef redhat/RPMS/mips-linux/binutils-2.8.1-2.mips.rpm f7e7d12ccc2644c534bef92a505ffc90 redhat/RPMS/mipsel-linux/binutils-2.8.1-2.mips.rpm 90ce3af0b610033107624b9050457e43 redhat/SRPMS/binutils-2.8.1-2.src.rpm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAwUBNLVTP0ckbl6vezDBAQGH2AP/XUlcj0CpgT53Kp1kDGZ7Qan0qIa6KT8A QN96DSFvcmHSV851gYPKJIIyT3cC5BKI7z7j/qH6bTSsZUFKwt4bsmZflP4IqfMe TKqAxl1SddNlurgZqhtDcg5zgk9qAXDDY8dvQN1TlyIG/2SiR9vb7KpwRvZiSYqf D1AQmKK72rI= =Omgn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Fri Jan 9 00:09:33 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA16425; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:09:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:09:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:09:22 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xqR4W-002Og4C; Fri, 9 Jan 98 00:09 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA01135; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: <19980109000806.07059@alpha.franken.de> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:08:07 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu, tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp Subject: Re: about nfsroot option. References: <19980107203419X.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980107203419X.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp>; from Tatsuya Nakamura on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 08:34:19PM +0900 Content-Length: 540 Lines: 14 On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 08:34:19PM +0900, Tatsuya Nakamura wrote: > Please tell me about what the version of kernel supporting nfsroot option > and no problem with Magnum 4000 console. I have no idea, when I have enough time to look for the console problem. Nfsroot support should work again, when the mips kernels gets updated to 2.1.78. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From arrow@ibm.net Sat Jan 10 20:58:02 1998 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA03515; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:57:59 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:57:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from slip-32-100-40-181.oh.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-40-181.oh.us.ibm.net [32.100.40.181]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA120178 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:57:39 GMT Message-Id: <199801101957.TAA120178@out5.ibm.net> From: "Jeff Gazdacko" To: "linux-mips@fnet.fr" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 14:58:18 Reply-To: "Jeff Gazdacko" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: subscribing in digest Content-Length: 204 Lines: 7 How can I subscriibe to this list in digest mode? I'm not presently subscribed to it, so please send replys directly to me. Thanks Jeff Gazdacko arrow@ibm.net http://members.tripod.com/~jeff_gazdacko/ From konkers@wolfram.com Sun Jan 11 00:38:56 1998 Received: from dragonfly.wolfram.com (root@dragonfly.wolfram.com [140.177.10.12]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA05728; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:38:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:38:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from scully.wolfram.com (scully.wolfram.com [140.177.201.38]) by dragonfly.wolfram.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04316 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:38:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from konkers@localhost) by scully.wolfram.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA23192; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:38:43 -0600 Message-ID: <19980110173843.01593@wolfram.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:38:43 -0600 From: Erik Gilling To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: kernel? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 X-Erik: spam Content-Length: 240 Lines: 6 Looking over the FTP I can't find a generic precompilied kernel anywhere. Am I blind or do I have to cross compile one. If so some instructions on how to cross compile a kernel would be a nice additions the the FAQ. Thanks, Erik Gilling From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Jan 11 12:34:56 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA09962; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:34:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:34:54 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-29.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.29]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08026 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:34:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA02645; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: <19980111110952.62209@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:09:52 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: kernel? References: <19980110173843.01593@wolfram.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980110173843.01593@wolfram.com>; from Erik Gilling on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 05:38:43PM -0600 Content-Length: 471 Lines: 14 On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 05:38:43PM -0600, Erik Gilling wrote: > Looking over the FTP I can't find a generic precompilied kernel anywhere. You haven't said for what machine. There is (and can not be) one kernel for all machines. > Am I blind or do I have to cross compile one. If so some instructions on > how to cross compile a kernel would be a nice additions the the FAQ. There are kernel binaries for a couple of machines available on ftp.linux.sgi.com. Ralf From tridge@samba.anu.edu.au Mon Jan 12 02:10:50 1998 Received: from samba.anu.edu.au (samba.anu.edu.au [150.203.164.44]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id CAA15800; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:10:47 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:10:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from tridge@localhost by samba.anu.edu.au id <12583052-410>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:10:33 +1100 Sender: Andrew Tridgell From: Andrew Tridgell To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: linux-mips list Reply-to: tridge@samba.anu.edu.au Message-Id: <19980112011033Z12583052-410+3438@samba.anu.edu.au> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:10:21 +1100 Content-Length: 935 Lines: 20 I'd like to subscribe to the linux-mips mailing list. It is listed as "developers only" in the FAQ and doesn't seem to have a subscribe address? I assume this will be read by a human. Anyway, I have a decstation 5000/240 that was left in my office when I moved last week. Maybe I can put it to good use? I'd also like to eventually put linux on samba.anu.edu.au (a Origin200) that was donated by SGI for free software work. I won't have a lot of time to work on these till after I've submitted my thesis (sometime in the next few months) but I'm looking forward to hacking on them a bit after that. I did the Linux/AP1000+ port so I'm at least familiar with the process of porting linux. At the moment I'd like to just lurk a bit on the mailing list so I can learn what the issues are. I can also make the origin available to other developers for experimentation within IRIX if that helps (it is running IRIX 6.4). Cheers, Andrew From taki@elod.vein.hu Wed Jan 14 14:46:33 1998 Received: from elod.vein.hu (kond.vein.hu [193.6.32.119]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id OAA06810; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:46:27 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:46:27 +0100 (MET) Received: by elod.vein.hu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00837; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:47:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:47:49 +0100 (MET) From: Miklos Ujhelyi To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Question? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 94 Lines: 7 Hello! I've a DECStaion 5100/KNT230. Can I install linux? How? Kernel? taki@kond.vein.hu From swilson@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu Wed Jan 14 19:43:42 1998 Received: from bugs.cs.wcupa.edu (root@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu [144.26.14.212]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA09113; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:40:42 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:40:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from bugs.cs.wcupa.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bugs.cs.wcupa.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01323 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:40:17 -0500 Sender: swilson@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu Message-ID: <34BD0691.95EBFF77@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:40:17 -0500 From: Sam Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: DECstation 3100's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 691 Lines: 17 Hey there, I am a student at West Chester University in West Chester, PA (right outside Philadelphia). We are currently going to be replacing some of our old DECstation 3100's. We already have a small Linux project going on here, and I was thinking that these systems would be great for that project. I noticed that you currently don't have too much support for the 3100, however, I might be interested in getting to work on some of that as I can. I was wondering what kind of information you could get to me so that I could get started. And, possibly, if any further work has been completed on the kernel that was not specified in your FAQ. Thanks, Sam Wilson swilson@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de Thu Jan 15 10:20:29 1998 Received: from lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (lehr.chem.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.66.25]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA15230; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:20:27 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:20:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from frist@localhost) by lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA28174; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:19:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:19:51 +0100 (MET) From: Frieder Streffer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation 3100's In-Reply-To: <34BD0691.95EBFF77@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1665 Lines: 45 On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Sam Wilson wrote: > Hey there, > > I am a student at West Chester University in WestChester, PA (right > outside Philadelphia). We are currently going to be replacing some of > our old DECstation 3100's. We already have a small Linux project going > on here, and I was thinking that these systems would be great for that > project. I noticed that you currently don't have too much support for > the 3100, however, I might be interested in getting to work on some of > that as I can. I was wondering what kind of information you could get to > me so that I could get started. And, possibly, if any further work has > been completed on the kernel that was not specified in your FAQ. > > Thanks, > > Sam Wilson > > swilson@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu > Hi Sam, I have done some work on the code for the 3100, but ran out of time, so I'm writing. Alas, I haven't heard something from Paul Antoine who is the coordinator for the efforts done on the DECstation code, and the Web-Page of the Projekt move some while and disapeared (at least for me). But you may find a functional discription of the 3100 on ftp.fnet.fr in the ftp.softway.com.au directory. There are also the source of the last kernel (2.1.14) and some compiled test-kernels. The Book of Gerry Kane (see Linux/Mips homepage) was quite informative. You may boot the 3100 via tftp: boot -f tftp()/tftpboot/vmlinux You need to give the full path of the kernel, independent of whats in your /etc/bootptab on you bootserver. Hope I could give you some help. Frieder Streffer P.S. Paul, if you read this mail, I would really appreciate the Webpage to be back again!! From deviant@datastacks.com Thu Jan 15 15:43:49 1998 Received: from milliways.datastacks.com (user-37kbodh.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.225.177]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA17555; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:43:45 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:43:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 8358 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 1998 14:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO milliways.datastacks.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 15 Jan 1998 14:42:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:42:33 +0000 ( ) From: Peter To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation 3100's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2279 Lines: 57 On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Frieder Streffer wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Sam Wilson wrote: > > > Hey there, > > > > I am a student at West Chester University in WestChester, PA (right > > outside Philadelphia). We are currently going to be replacing some of > > our old DECstation 3100's. We already have a small Linux project going > > on here, and I was thinking that these systems would be great for that > > project. I noticed that you currently don't have too much support for > > the 3100, however, I might be interested in getting to work on some of > > that as I can. I was wondering what kind of information you could get to > > me so that I could get started. And, possibly, if any further work has > > been completed on the kernel that was not specified in your FAQ. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sam Wilson > > > > swilson@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu > > > Hi Sam, > I have done some work on the code for the 3100, but ran out of time, > so I'm writing. Alas, I haven't heard something from Paul Antoine who is > the coordinator for the efforts done on the DECstation code, and the > Web-Page of the Projekt move some while and disapeared (at least for me). > But you may find a functional discription of the 3100 on ftp.fnet.fr > in the ftp.softway.com.au directory. There are also the source of the > last kernel (2.1.14) and some compiled test-kernels. > The Book of Gerry Kane (see Linux/Mips homepage) was quite informative. > > You may boot the 3100 via tftp: > > boot -f tftp()/tftpboot/vmlinux > > You need to give the full path of the kernel, independent of whats in > your /etc/bootptab on you bootserver. > > Hope I could give you some help. > > Frieder Streffer > > P.S. Paul, if you read this mail, I would really appreciate the Webpage > to be back again!! If we need a new place to put the Linux/DECStation page, I can host it on www.datastacks.com, but I can't provide content (I'm still sitting here wishing that I had a working version for a 5000/25). Unfortunatly, we'd be limited to 10 Meg or so of space there right now, and its on a 28.8 until my ISDN gets installed. -- Peter "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." -- Nietzsche From jxfaultl@bechtel.com Thu Jan 15 17:11:36 1998 Received: from interlock.bechtel.com (interlock.bechtel.com [207.240.177.232]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA18010; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:11:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:11:31 +0100 (MET) Received: by interlock.bechtel.com id AA12176 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:11:21 -0500 Received: by interlock.bechtel.com (Internal Mail Agent-2); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:11:21 -0500 Received: by interlock.bechtel.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:11:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:09:07 +0000 From: "Faultless, Jason" Subject: Linux/MIPS ? To: "'linux-mips@fnet.fr'" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 346 Lines: 14 Hi, My company may be decommissioning a DECsystem 5000/240 in the near future and I'm hoping to be able to grab it before it hits the bin. What is the status of Linux/MIPS, particularly on this platform ? Regards, -- Jason B. Faultless | jxfaultl@bechtel.com UNIX Systems Manager | +44 (0)181 846 4006 From Emmanuel.Dupont@fnet.fr Thu Jan 15 18:20:49 1998 Received: from orenoque.fnet.fr (orenoque.fnet.fr [193.104.112.134]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA18558; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:20:48 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:20:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from orenoque.fnet.fr (localhost.fnet.fr [127.0.0.1]) by orenoque.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.01.21/97.06.19); id RAA10925; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:20:48 GMT Message-Id: <199801151720.RAA10925@orenoque.fnet.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Peter cc: elipot@fnet.fr, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: problem with the linux-mips webpage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:20:48 +0100 From: Emmanuel Dupont Content-Length: 203 Lines: 9 Hello, I have been known that you had problem with the Linux/DECStation webpage. Fnet.fr can give you a place for it. We already host the linux-mips site (web, ftp and mailing-list). Emmanuel From flo@mini.gt.owl.de Thu Jan 15 18:40:18 1998 Received: from noose.gt.owl.de (root@noose.gt.owl.de [194.121.202.24]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA18721; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:16 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from mini.gt.owl.de (flo@mini.gt.owl.de [194.121.202.18]) by noose.gt.owl.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17232 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (flo@localhost) by mini.gt.owl.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08252 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:40:03 +0100 (MET) From: Florian Lohoff To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Decstation Port was: Re: DECstation 3100's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2540 Lines: 50 On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Peter wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > I have done some work on the code for the 3100, but ran out of time, > > so I'm writing. Alas, I haven't heard something from Paul Antoine who is > > the coordinator for the efforts done on the DECstation code, and the > > Web-Page of the Projekt move some while and disapeared (at least for me). > > But you may find a functional discription of the 3100 on ftp.fnet.fr > > in the ftp.softway.com.au directory. There are also the source of the > > last kernel (2.1.14) and some compiled test-kernels. > > The Book of Gerry Kane (see Linux/Mips homepage) was quite informative. > > If we need a new place to put the Linux/DECStation page, I can host it on > www.datastacks.com, but I can't provide content (I'm still sitting here > wishing that I had a working version for a 5000/25). Unfortunatly, we'd > be limited to 10 Meg or so of space there right now, and its on a 28.8 > until my ISDN gets installed. I am quite unhappy with the progress of the Decstation port i have two 5000 (/150(R4000) and /240(R3000)) both equipped with 64MB Ram and 2 extrac SCSI Controllers and an FDDI board. At the moment i have a running OpenBSD on the /240 (OpenBSD wont run on R4000). The next days i am going to try to install NetBSD 1.3_BETA to the /150 as this runs on R4000. I could also spend WebSpace (several hundreds meg behind 256KBit/s, on the 5000/240 running OpenBSD if you like :) ) but i dont think this is the problem. I'd like to do something with porting Linux/mips to the Decstations but i am a bit handicapped. I have done lots of low-level coding on M68K, Z80, 6502, i80x86 and a bit C. But i am not used to kernel concept etc. but i am willing to learn and to do some work but i need some hints were to start etc ... Also i could put both Decstations online maybe with serial line access and a remote-power-switch. BTW: I was at the Chaos Communication Congress in Hamburg after Christmas and meat 5 other Decstation owners which are stuck with running ultrix and would like to have other OSes running on those machines (Preferably Linux). They all hadnt heard of this list and of those Websites and the Linux/mips port at all. Maybe it would be a good idea to post regularly at comp.os.linux.announce ? I'd like to see some progress but at the moment i am feeling that the Decstation port seems to be a bit dead. :( Flo -- Florian Lohoff mailto:flo@mini.gt.owl.de Phone:+49-5241-470566 Privates Internet Ostwestfalen-Lippe, Guetersloh - http://www.gt.owl.de From peterc@softway.com.au Fri Jan 16 01:04:05 1998 Received: from sweeney.sw.oz.au (firewall-user@gw.softway.com.au [203.31.96.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id BAA27706; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:04:00 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:04:00 +0100 (MET) Received: by sweeney.sw.oz.au id IAA03081; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:20:13 +1100 (EST) (from peterc@softway.com.au for ) Received: from suede.sw.oz.au(192.41.203.48) by sweeney.sw.oz.au via smap (3.2) id xma003071; Fri, 16 Jan 98 08:19:57 +1100 Received: from bookworm.softway.com.au (root@bookworm.sw.oz.au [192.41.203.51]) by suede.sw.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18478 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:19:55 +1100 (EST) Received: by bookworm.softway.com.au (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0xswhg-000FiZC; Fri, 16 Jan 98 08:19 +1000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 08:19 +1000 From: Peter Chubb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation 3100's In-Reply-To: References: <34BD0691.95EBFF77@bugs.cs.wcupa.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.35 under Emacs 20.2.2 Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. X-Face: .slVUC18R`%{j(W3ztQe~*ATzet;h`*Wv33MZ]*M,}9AP<`+C=U)c#NzI5vK!0^d#6:<_`a {#.<}~(T^aJ~]-.C'p~saJ7qZXP-$AY==]7,9?WVSH5sQ}g3,8j>u%@f$/Z6,WR7*E~BFY.Yjw,H6< F.cEDj2$S:kO2+-5<]afj@kC!:uw\(<>lVpk)lPZs+2(=?=D/TZPG+P9LDN#1RRUPxdX Content-Length: 192 Lines: 8 Hi, Paul's MIPS-Decstation Linux port home page is moved to http://www1.softway.com.au/people/paul/dec/index.html temporarily, before it finds a more permanent home. Peter Chubb. From itda@tardis.ed.ac.uk Sat Jan 17 01:45:03 1998 Received: from tardis.ed.ac.uk (root@brigadier.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.14]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id BAA07042; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:45:01 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:45:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk (itda@tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk [193.62.81.1]) by tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisMailhub) with ESMTP id AAA26512 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:44:50 GMT Received: from localhost (itda@localhost) by tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7/TardisClientv2) with SMTP id AAA17301 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:44:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk: itda owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:44:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Internet Technical Documentation Archive To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: MIPS Technical Documentation... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 442 Lines: 12 Dear mailling-list members, (No this isn't a Junk-Mail, so please read it) Anyway take a look at http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~itda/ for MIPS docco and other stuff. At the moment there isn't much but with your help and that of others (including SGI who are VERY helpful) it should grow. "300 people didn't check this site and they died within 24hours" :) if you have any comment to make then please mail us here.... From drachen@netexpress.net Sat Jan 17 20:20:30 1998 Received: from netexpress.net (root@shamu.netexpress.net [206.65.64.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA13960; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:20:27 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:20:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from netexpress.net (drachen@flexgen-28.netexpress.net [206.65.65.157]) by netexpress.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA32196 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:20:14 -0600 Sender: drachen@netexpress.net Message-ID: <34C10470.6CEEBCBA@netexpress.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:20:16 -0600 From: Drachen Meir X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: My NEC VR4000's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 421 Lines: 10 I'm intrested in running Linux on my Nec VR4000's..... They're old military computers. I'll help out anyway I can with you're project... and you're web page said that I should contact you and let you know what I'm running. My C is quite rusty... But I would be happy to do beta testing and such. Please let me know about the state of your project and how I can help. Drachen From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sat Jan 17 21:10:35 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA14344; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:10:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:10:31 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-11.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.11]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02976 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:10:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA10929; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:02:32 +0100 Message-ID: <19980117210232.46452@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:02:32 +0100 To: Drachen Meir Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's References: <34C10470.6CEEBCBA@netexpress.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <34C10470.6CEEBCBA@netexpress.net>; from Drachen Meir on Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 01:20:16PM -0600 Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 29 On Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 01:20:16PM -0600, Drachen Meir wrote: > I'm intrested in running Linux on my Nec VR4000's..... They're old > military computers. What type exactly are you using? VR4000 is just the type of NEC's processor type, it's not the type of a actual machine and MIPS machines are sometimes pretty different because compatibility is the job of the OS, not the hardware. Guessing - your machine is probably technically pretty similar to the Mips Magnum 4000. > I'll help out anyway I can with you're project... > and you're web page said that I should contact you and let you know what > I'm running. My C is quite rusty... When you're done with porting Linux to your box it will be so shiny, you'll have to wear sunglasses when the sun is shining ;-) > But I would be happy to do beta > testing and such. Please let me know about the state of your project > and how I can help. We currently don't support the NEC machines. So you'd be on your own. Actually not alone, there are other NEC users on the list. If you want to work on porting - it's a challenging project, but that's what you could do. I did the lion fraction of the rest of the MIPS stuff, therefore I could help you. Ralf From drachen@netexpress.net Sun Jan 18 04:10:06 1998 Received: from netexpress.net (root@shamu.netexpress.net [206.65.64.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id EAA21426; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:10:04 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 04:10:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from netexpress.net (drachen@flexgen-24.netexpress.net [206.65.65.153]) by netexpress.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25061; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:09:47 -0600 Message-ID: <34C17279.5CB286B5@netexpress.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:09:46 -0600 From: David Hinkle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de CC: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's References: <34C10470.6CEEBCBA@netexpress.net> <19980117210232.46452@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2291 Lines: 48 Well, the systems are manufactored by Control Data Systems, "indigo systems" .... Running Irix.... But I've not had much experience with mips systems so I just don't know what to look for to tell what they are. It has two primary boards.... I video board and a Cpu board.... The cpu has the one VR4000 and three other chips underneath it that look about the size of a Pentium 2.... But I couldn't read the designations without taking it apart. The video board has at least one of the same types of 'supporting' chips as well... The video board also has a socket labled 3D Headset..... The lady that's in charge of the military reutilization program said it was purchased for 38,000 three years ago. They have two more... I think I will obtain them both... Does this sound like a good idea to you? By the way... What are my options as far as OS's go? Drachs ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 01:20:16PM -0600, Drachen Meir wrote: > > > I'm intrested in running Linux on my Nec VR4000's..... They're old > > military computers. > > What type exactly are you using? VR4000 is just the type of NEC's > processor type, it's not the type of a actual machine and MIPS machines > are sometimes pretty different because compatibility is the job of the > OS, not the hardware. Guessing - your machine is probably technically > pretty similar to the Mips Magnum 4000. > > > I'll help out anyway I can with you're project... > > and you're web page said that I should contact you and let you know what > > I'm running. My C is quite rusty... > > When you're done with porting Linux to your box it will be so shiny, > you'll have to wear sunglasses when the sun is shining ;-) > > > But I would be happy to do beta > > testing and such. Please let me know about the state of your project > > and how I can help. > > We currently don't support the NEC machines. So you'd be on your own. > Actually not alone, there are other NEC users on the list. If you want > to work on porting - it's a challenging project, but that's what you could > do. I did the lion fraction of the rest of the MIPS stuff, therefore I > could help you. > > Ralf From baluha@tbda.com Sun Jan 18 05:57:21 1998 Received: from emily.tbda.com ([199.227.212.59]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA22298; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:57:18 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:57:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from tbda.com (hills-x2-a-10.interaccess.net [206.151.202.10]) by emily.tbda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA09913 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:55:32 -0500 Message-ID: <34C18C11.1FEF4EAE@tbda.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:58:57 -0500 From: Kevin Baluha X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: subscribe ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 180 Lines: 8 I would like to put my best foot forward & assist in implementing linux on NEC Riscserver 2200. are there others - Just acquired a box 128 M ram 2 scsi disks - with nt.blah. From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Jan 18 12:02:09 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA24532; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:02:07 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:02:07 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-30.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.30]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22194 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:02:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA12350; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:56:32 +0100 Message-ID: <19980118115632.56606@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:56:32 +0100 To: David Hinkle Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's References: <34C10470.6CEEBCBA@netexpress.net> <19980117210232.46452@uni-koblenz.de> <34C17279.5CB286B5@netexpress.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <34C17279.5CB286B5@netexpress.net>; from David Hinkle on Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 09:09:46PM -0600 Content-Length: 1575 Lines: 31 On Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 09:09:46PM -0600, David Hinkle wrote: > Well, the systems are manufactored by Control Data Systems, "indigo systems" > .... Running Irix.... So what you have is actually a SGI machine. I don't know if this machine has been modified from the original Silicon Graphics box, so I cc this to linux@engr in the hope someone can comment on this. > But I've not had much experience with mips systems so I > just don't know what to look for to tell what they are. It has two primary > boards.... I video board and a Cpu board.... The cpu has the one VR4000 and > three other chips underneath it that look about the size of a Pentium 2.... > But I couldn't read the designations without taking it apart. The video > board has at least one of the same types of 'supporting' chips as well... The > video board also has a socket labled 3D Headset..... The lady that's in > charge of the military reutilization program said it was purchased for 38,000 > three years ago. They have two more... I think I will obtain them both... > Does this sound like a good idea to you? Well, I would take them, though probably not all of them because I'm already stockpiling MIPS boxes ... > By the way... What are my options as far as OS's go? Choose between IRIX and IRIX. Someone else is working on a Linux port to the Indigo. No results yet, he has just started some days ago. Since you're interested in Linux for SGI machines you should also subscribe to SGI's mailing list linux@engr.sgi.com via majordomo@engr.sgi.com. Ralf From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Sun Jan 18 12:03:00 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA24557; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:02:58 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:02:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id MAA05838 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:03:31 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA00984; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:00:24 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199801181100.MAA00984@jordan.numerik> Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:00:24 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <34C17279.5CB286B5@netexpress.net> from "David Hinkle" at Jan 17, 98 09:09:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 824 Lines: 25 Hi, > Well, the systems are manufactored by Control Data Systems, "indigo systems" > .... Running Irix.... Well, that simply are relabeled SGI R4000 Indigos ... [...] > video board also has a socket labled 3D Headset..... The lady that's in > charge of the military reutilization program said it was purchased for 38,000 > three years ago. They have two more... I think I will obtain them both... > Does this sound like a good idea to you? Get them if you can ;-). > By the way... What are my options as far as OS's go? You can run SGI Irix from 4.05 on. The current version (6.2 ?) should run on the R4000 Indigos. Perhaps Ralf knows how close the R4000 Indigos are related to the R4x00 Indys - which are supported by Linux ... at least some models. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Sun Jan 18 13:27:37 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA25465; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:27:35 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:27:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id NAA05884 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:28:09 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01041; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:25:01 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Subject: DECstation porters unite ! To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:25:01 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2211 Lines: 47 Hi, due to the overwhelming amount of requests regardings the DECstation port during the last few weeks ;-), we should do something to get the port further along. I will set up a mirror site of Paul's DECstation information pages on Monday and would like to ask all people who have DECstation patches to upload the patches to ftp://ftp.math.uni-siegen.de in /incoming. We should try to find out what the biggest problems in the current state of the port are. Areas that IMHO need work are: - Interrupt handling - MMU setup and handling - of course, device drivers: o Ethernet (Lance 7990) - should be able to derived from the Sparc port, major difference is that the Lance has a separate memory area in at least the DS[23]100 and 5000/200 and isn't able to do DMA. o SCSI in DS[23]100 - the DEC SII chipset. Documented in the DS3100 functional specs o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip documented ? o Console drivers (I got some of these working with the DZ11) - a DZ11 compatible UART in DS[23]100 and 5000/200, a Zilog 8530 in at least the Personal DECstations and the DS5000/1xx. Support for the DS[23]100 frame buffer also exists. We should also examine the differences between the various REX- and non-REX firmware versions in the various DECstations. o TurboChannel support - probing for cards etc. and support for the most important TC options - PMAG-[AB]* graphics adapters, ethernet and SCSI controllers (which are simply TC versions of the Lance and NCR53C94). Well, we also have a nice 24-bit i860-accelerated graphics board here ;-) [So you say that's almost everything - hmmm, maybe you're right ;-)] Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is available for testing kernels. I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From deviant@datastacks.com Sun Jan 18 15:07:01 1998 Received: from www.datastacks.com (user-37kbo33.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.224.99]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA25911; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:06:58 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:06:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 2417 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jan 1998 14:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO milliways.datastacks.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 18 Jan 1998 14:06:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:06:20 +0000 ( ) From: Peter To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2237 Lines: 48 On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Michael Engel wrote: > We should try to find out what the biggest problems in the current > state of the port are. Areas that IMHO need work are: > - Interrupt handling > - MMU setup and handling > - of course, device drivers: > o Ethernet (Lance 7990) - should be able to derived from the Sparc port, > major difference is that the Lance has a separate memory area in at > least the DS[23]100 and 5000/200 and isn't able to do DMA. > o SCSI in DS[23]100 - the DEC SII chipset. Documented in the DS3100 > functional specs > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > documented ? > o Console drivers (I got some of these working with the DZ11) - a DZ11 > compatible UART in DS[23]100 and 5000/200, a Zilog 8530 in at least the > Personal DECstations and the DS5000/1xx. > Support for the DS[23]100 frame buffer also exists. > We should also examine the differences between the various REX- and > non-REX firmware versions in the various DECstations. > o TurboChannel support - probing for cards etc. and support for the most > important TC options - PMAG-[AB]* graphics adapters, ethernet and SCSI > controllers (which are simply TC versions of the Lance and NCR53C94). > Well, we also have a nice 24-bit i860-accelerated graphics board here ;-) > > [So you say that's almost everything - hmmm, maybe you're right ;-)] And ISDN support on the 5000's that have the slot (the 5000/25's have it like the 3100's do, but with a sticker on top. The test routines are all there, they just deny that they put the hardware in... Its all documented though...) > Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is > available for testing kernels. > I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get > access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. > > I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel > AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be > interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. > > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) -- Peter "It was pleasure to burn." -- Bradbury From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Sun Jan 18 21:23:16 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA01878; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:23:14 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:23:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:23:10 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xu1FB-002OazC; Sun, 18 Jan 98 21:22 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA01190; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:40:56 +0100 Message-ID: <19980118154054.13516@alpha.franken.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:40:54 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! References: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik>; from Michael Engel on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 01:25:01PM +0100 Content-Length: 682 Lines: 18 > o Ethernet (Lance 7990) - should be able to derived from the Sparc port, > major difference is that the Lance has a separate memory area in at > least the DS[23]100 and 5000/200 and isn't able to do DMA. a Lance in shared memory mode. There are already device drivers in Linux, which use it in that mode (sk_g17, depca). > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > documented ? there are also two drivers in Linux, esp and mac53c94. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From flo@mini.gt.owl.de Sun Jan 18 16:17:48 1998 Received: from noose.gt.owl.de (root@noose.gt.owl.de [194.121.202.24]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id QAA26199; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:17:46 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:17:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from mini.gt.owl.de (flo@mini.gt.owl.de [194.121.202.18]) by noose.gt.owl.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06289 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:17:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (flo@localhost) by mini.gt.owl.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24093 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:17:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:17:37 +0100 (MET) From: Florian Lohoff To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1011 Lines: 25 On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Michael Engel wrote: > o SCSI in DS[23]100 - the DEC SII chipset. Documented in the DS3100 > functional specs > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > documented ? Is this maybe a derivate of the NCR53C90 supported in the Sun Enhanced SCSI Prozessor code (esp.c) ? > o TurboChannel support - probing for cards etc. and support for the most > important TC options - PMAG-[AB]* graphics adapters, ethernet and SCSI > controllers (which are simply TC versions of the Lance and NCR53C94). > Well, we also have a nice 24-bit i860-accelerated graphics board here ;-) I have also 2 FDDI Turbochannel boards in my Decstation 5000s :) BTW: I have now a running OpenBSD/pmax on 5000/240 and an running NetBSD-1.3_BETA/pmax on the 5000/150 but i'd like to have an Debian GNU Linux Mips. Flo -- Florian Lohoff mailto:flo@mini.gt.owl.de Phone:+49-5241-470566 Privates Internet Ostwestfalen-Lippe, Guetersloh - http://www.gt.owl.de From drachen@netexpress.net Sun Jan 18 18:24:49 1998 Received: from netexpress.net (root@shamu.netexpress.net [206.65.64.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA29332; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:46 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:24:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from netexpress.net (flexgen-17.netexpress.net [206.65.65.146]) by netexpress.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25931; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <34C23ACA.83E2E39C@netexpress.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:24:27 -0600 From: David Hinkle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Miller CC: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's References: <34C10470.6CEEBCBA@netexpress.net> <19980117210232.46452@uni-koblenz.de> <34C17279.5CB286B5@netexpress.net> <199801181512.HAA18031@jogger-egg.engr.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2211 Lines: 45 The system is about a foot and a half tall and about 8-10 inches deep and wide... (Square bottom rectangular sides...) Bright blue with a pop-off front that reveals the hard drives on the right and another panel on the left... twisting the nob at the top of the left panel couses the panel to drop forward and the CPU and Video card can be removed. (The run from top to bottom with clips on the top and bottom... pull forward on both clips and they slide out.) How much does IRIX cost? And were can I obtain a copy... I really need to repartition these drives and start over... Becouse the system can't be shut down properly becouse you need the root password to preform the shut down.... Consequently it's all messed up. I plan on mounting it's drives in my desktop and hoping that Linux can read the filesystem so I can clear the root password.... Bye the way... Is there an easier way to clear the root password? And does anybody know what filesystem IRIX uses? How do I subscribe to the mailing lists? (Wow... Lot's of silly questions in this letter huh? ) Please CC to me becouse I'm not on you'r lists yet. Thanks guys, I really apreciate your help. Bob Miller wrote: > Ralf wrote: > > > Choose between IRIX and IRIX. Someone else is working on a Linux port to > > the Indigo. No results yet, he has just started some days ago. Since > > you're interested in Linux for SGI machines you should also subscribe to > > SGI's mailing list linux@engr.sgi.com via majordomo@engr.sgi.com. > > If these are Indigo2 machines, then they have the same motherboard as > the Indy. The graphics board is completely different, though. The > same IRIX kernel will run on Indy and Indigo2. Linux probably won't > run on Indigo2 today because it assumes Indy graphics are present, but > removing graphics support should be straightforward (?) if you want > a headless server running Linux. > > If the CPU box is a thick pizza box (wide and flat, about 6 inches > tall), then it's an Indigo2. If the CPU box is a minitower, then it's > an original Indigo, and getting Linux running on that would be a much > bigger project. > > K From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Sun Jan 18 18:36:56 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA29413; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:36:54 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:36:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id SAA06016 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:37:27 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01240; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:34:21 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199801181734.SAA01240@jordan.numerik> Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:34:21 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <34C23ACA.83E2E39C@netexpress.net> from "David Hinkle" at Jan 18, 98 11:24:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1596 Lines: 43 Hi, > The system is about a foot and a half tall and about 8-10 inches deep and > wide... (Square bottom rectangular sides...) Bright blue with a pop-off > front that reveals the hard drives on the right and another panel on the > left... twisting the nob at the top of the left panel couses the panel to drop > forward and the CPU and Video card can be removed. (The run from top to bottom > with clips on the top and bottom... pull forward on both clips and they slide > out.) This is an Indigo ... no mistake possible ... > How much does IRIX cost? And were can I obtain a copy... Ask your nearest SGI distributor ... but it won't be cheap, I'm afraid :-(. > I really need to > repartition these drives and start over... Becouse the system can't be shut > down properly becouse you need the root password to preform the shut down.... > Consequently it's all messed up. > I plan on mounting it's drives in my > desktop and hoping that Linux can read the filesystem so I can clear the root > password.... This will probably work if the root partition has been formatted with the older EFS filesystem (the more recent one is called XFS, but I don't know if it can be used for root partitions). Ask ftpsearch for a file called efsmod_*gz, this is a loadable kernel module that supports mounting EFS formatted disks on a Linux system. > Bye the way... Is there an easier way to clear the root > password? Did you try booting into single user mode ? > And does anybody know what filesystem IRIX uses? [see above ...] regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Jan 18 18:47:44 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA29527; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:47:41 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:47:41 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-11.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.11]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28611 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:47:37 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12632; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:43:47 +0100 Message-ID: <19980118184347.38956@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:43:47 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! References: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik>; from Michael Engel on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 01:25:01PM +0100 Content-Length: 2900 Lines: 64 On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 01:25:01PM +0100, Michael Engel wrote: > due to the overwhelming amount of requests regardings the DECstation port > during the last few weeks ;-), we should do something to get the port further > along. > > I will set up a mirror site of Paul's DECstation information pages on Monday > and would like to ask all people who have DECstation patches to upload the > patches to ftp://ftp.math.uni-siegen.de in /incoming. I suggest to collect all the stuff on the fnet machines, so ``customers'' can do one stop shopping. > We should try to find out what the biggest problems in the current > state of the port are. Areas that IMHO need work are: > - Interrupt handling > - MMU setup and handling Those two are the hard part. Not too hard, though. > - of course, device drivers: > o Ethernet (Lance 7990) - should be able to derived from the Sparc port, > major difference is that the Lance has a separate memory area in at > least the DS[23]100 and 5000/200 and isn't able to do DMA. > o SCSI in DS[23]100 - the DEC SII chipset. Documented in the DS3100 > functional specs > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > documented ? It isn't only documented, it is supported in a lot of different incarnations. Thomas Bogendoerfer is supporting it for his Olivetti, a machine that is probably has a quite a bit more complex DMA principle than the DECstations. Talking about the NCR, I found some minutes for hacking. The NCR53C8XX driver is now working like a charm. > o Console drivers (I got some of these working with the DZ11) - a DZ11 > compatible UART in DS[23]100 and 5000/200, a Zilog 8530 in at least the > Personal DECstations and the DS5000/1xx. Z8530 support exists for the Sparcs and SGI and two other, yet unpublished machines under Linux/MIPS. > Support for the DS[23]100 frame buffer also exists. > We should also examine the differences between the various REX- and > non-REX firmware versions in the various DECstations. > o TurboChannel support - probing for cards etc. and support for the most > important TC options - PMAG-[AB]* graphics adapters, ethernet and SCSI > controllers (which are simply TC versions of the Lance and NCR53C94). > Well, we also have a nice 24-bit i860-accelerated graphics board here ;-) > > [So you say that's almost everything - hmmm, maybe you're right ;-)] > > Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is > available for testing kernels. > I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get > access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. > > I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel > AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be > interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Jan 18 18:52:43 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA29602; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:52:41 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:52:41 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-11.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.11]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28719 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:52:36 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12639; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:48:37 +0100 Message-ID: <19980118184837.42253@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:48:37 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! References: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Florian Lohoff on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 04:17:37PM +0100 Content-Length: 1429 Lines: 35 On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Michael Engel wrote: > > > o SCSI in DS[23]100 - the DEC SII chipset. Documented in the DS3100 > > functional specs > > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > > documented ? > > Is this maybe a derivate of the NCR53C90 supported in the > Sun Enhanced SCSI Prozessor code (esp.c) ? Yes. Documentation btw, is available for tree from Symbios (www.symbios.com). For those who don't know, Symbios is the current owner of NCR's chips division. > > o TurboChannel support - probing for cards etc. and support for the most > > important TC options - PMAG-[AB]* graphics adapters, ethernet and SCSI > > controllers (which are simply TC versions of the Lance and NCR53C94). > > Well, we also have a nice 24-bit i860-accelerated graphics board here ;-) > > I have also 2 FDDI Turbochannel boards in my Decstation 5000s :) Tss, tss... I wonder if the DECstation is fast enough to keep the FDDI hardware busy ... > BTW: I have now a running OpenBSD/pmax on 5000/240 and an running > NetBSD-1.3_BETA/pmax on the 5000/150 but i'd like to have an > Debian GNU Linux Mips. There is a 80% port of Redhat which you can use to get started, so rebuilding Debian shouldn't be too hard. Especially the part of Debian that in earlier times were preventing an easy start are now existing. Ralf From alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Sun Jan 18 18:44:13 1998 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA29484; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:44:11 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:44:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA13315; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:43:38 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xtzBj-0005FsC; Sun, 18 Jan 98 18:11 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's To: drachen@netexpress.net (David Hinkle) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:11:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: kbob@jogger-egg.engr.sgi.com, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <34C23ACA.83E2E39C@netexpress.net> from "David Hinkle" at Jan 18, 98 11:24:27 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 433 Lines: 10 > password.... Bye the way... Is there an easier way to clear the root > password? And does anybody know what filesystem IRIX uses? If its running Irix < 6.4 then read bugtraq archives for about 100,000 ways to break root on your machine 8) The best general scheme on a remote box is to stuff the disk into a machine and without mounting it replace any disk block starting root:........:dfgkd with your own password string. From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Sun Jan 18 21:29:29 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA02404; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:29:27 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:29:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id VAA06101 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:30:01 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA01348; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:26:54 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik> Subject: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:26:54 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 750 Lines: 19 Hi, does anyone have the latest sources for the 2.1.14 kernel ? I didn't succeed in getting the kernel compiled from linux-2.1.14.2.dec.tar.gz to work at all. They all crash immediately after loading without any reason ... The kernel test images, however, work - as well as self-compiled 2.1.1 kernels. My development environment here uses the mipsel-linux files from ftp.fnet.fr (gcc-2.7.2, as-2.7, ld-2.7) whereas Paul had compiled his test kernels with gcc-2.6.3. Might that be the problem ? I also noticed that kernels compiled and linked with the 2.7-based utils are _much_ bigger than the test kernels (>2 MB compared to ca. 800kB), so I suspect it to be a compiler/linker problem. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From afritz@iname.com Sun Jan 18 22:08:45 1998 Received: from ren.globecomm.net (ren.globecomm.net [207.51.48.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA02663; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:08:43 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:08:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from afritz.ironwood.phx.k12.az.us (ip-23-159.phx.primenet.com [206.165.23.159]) by ren.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA23926 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:08:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801182108.QAA23926@ren.globecomm.net> X-Sender: afritz@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:10:40 -0700 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: Adam Fritzler Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? Content-Length: 564 Lines: 17 At 09:26 PM 1/18/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > >does anyone have the latest sources for the 2.1.14 kernel ? I didn't >succeed in getting the kernel compiled from linux-2.1.14.2.dec.tar.gz >to work at all. They all crash immediately after loading without any >reason ... Glad I wasn't the only one having trouble with that... All mine just loaded and died (didn't begin exec)! I'm using the 2.7 gcc/binutils too. Where can I get the 2.6 gcc precompiled? Adam ( Adam Fritzler afritz@iname.com ) http://afritz.base.org/ From drachen@netexpress.net Mon Jan 19 01:43:08 1998 Received: from netexpress.net (root@shamu.netexpress.net [206.65.64.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id BAA07781; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:43:06 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:43:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from netexpress.net (flexgen-17.netexpress.net [206.65.65.146]) by netexpress.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17852; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:42:45 -0600 Message-ID: <34C2A186.32EF7CFF@netexpress.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:42:46 -0600 From: David Hinkle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox CC: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 489 Lines: 15 Oh? What is bugtraq? Alan Cox wrote: > > password.... Bye the way... Is there an easier way to clear the root > > password? And does anybody know what filesystem IRIX uses? > > If its running Irix < 6.4 then read bugtraq archives for about 100,000 ways > to break root on your machine 8) > > The best general scheme on a remote box is to stuff the disk into a machine > and without mounting it replace any disk block starting root:........:dfgkd > with your own password string. From drachen@netexpress.net Mon Jan 19 01:44:47 1998 Received: from netexpress.net (root@shamu.netexpress.net [206.65.64.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id BAA07808; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:44:45 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:44:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from netexpress.net (flexgen-17.netexpress.net [206.65.65.146]) by netexpress.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17947; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:44:36 -0600 Message-ID: <34C2A1F6.AAEB34EC@netexpress.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:44:38 -0600 From: David Hinkle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Cox CC: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 346 Lines: 7 > The best general scheme on a remote box is to stuff the disk into a machine > and without mounting it replace any disk block starting root:........:dfgkd > with your own password string. I don't have any idea how to do that, or even were to start looking for how to do that... Could you give me a place I could begin searching or reading? From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Jan 19 06:40:24 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id GAA12371; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:40:22 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:40:22 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-10.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.10]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18622 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:40:18 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA13519; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: <19980119015558.16405@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:55:58 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? References: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik>; from Michael Engel on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 09:26:54PM +0100 Content-Length: 1522 Lines: 31 On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 09:26:54PM +0100, Michael Engel wrote: > does anyone have the latest sources for the 2.1.14 kernel ? I didn't > succeed in getting the kernel compiled from linux-2.1.14.2.dec.tar.gz > to work at all. They all crash immediately after loading without any > reason ... > > The kernel test images, however, work - as well as self-compiled 2.1.1 > kernels. My development environment here uses the mipsel-linux files > from ftp.fnet.fr (gcc-2.7.2, as-2.7, ld-2.7) whereas Paul had compiled > his test kernels with gcc-2.6.3. Might that be the problem ? > > I also noticed that kernels compiled and linked with the 2.7-based utils > are _much_ bigger than the test kernels (>2 MB compared to ca. 800kB), so > I suspect it to be a compiler/linker problem. I recommend to use at least version 2.7. 2.6.3 has couple of fun bugs when building kernels. For all those who don't remember, I've published 2.8.1 patches months ago, but 2.7 is still ok for just building the kernel. For the userland 2.8.1 is a must; 2.7 will build bad shared libraries. Another problem with newer kernel is that the building strategy Paul uses to build ECOFF kernel will not work anymore for 2.1.x kernels. The kernel uses a number of ELF features - too many for ld. It will die with funny messages. Suggested alternative strategy: build an ELF kernel like all other systems do and convert it into ECOFF using the ELF -> ECOFF converter program from the Milo sources. That's will be a quite robust solution. Ralf From stu@cinops.xerox.com Mon Jan 19 05:00:15 1998 Received: from himalia.eastgw.xerox.com (firewall-user@himalia.ext.eastgw.xerox.com [208.140.33.21]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA10508; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com (frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com [13.231.118.248]) by himalia.eastgw.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24583 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19077 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Allen Message-Id: <199801190400.XAA19077@frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com> Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? In-Reply-To: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik> from Michael Engel at "Jan 18, 98 09:26:54 pm" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:59:59 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 26 > does anyone have the latest sources for the 2.1.14 kernel ? I didn't > succeed in getting the kernel compiled from linux-2.1.14.2.dec.tar.gz > to work at all. They all crash immediately after loading without any > reason ... > > I also noticed that kernels compiled and linked with the 2.7-based utils > are _much_ bigger than the test kernels (>2 MB compared to ca. 800kB), so > I suspect it to be a compiler/linker problem. Did you run objcopy and strip out the unneeded information from the kernel image? i.e.: mipsel-linux-objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo --remove-section=.mdebug \ --remove-section=.fixup --remove-section=__ex_tab dec_vmlinux For me at least, this takes a kernel image which is about 1.5 meg and reduces it to a little under a meg. The resulting image also boots, at least to some extent! I'm pretty sure that Paul was the one who told me that I needed to do this -- I'll look for his original message, which I believe explains _why_ you need to do it. -- Stu Allen Phone: (716) 231-0073 EDS / GNS Internet: stu@cinops.xerox.com From stu@cinops.xerox.com Mon Jan 19 05:24:26 1998 Received: from himalia.eastgw.xerox.com (firewall-user@himalia.ext.eastgw.xerox.com [208.140.33.21]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA10635; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:24:24 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:24:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com (frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com [13.231.118.248]) by himalia.eastgw.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24961 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19285 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Allen Message-Id: <199801190424.XAA19285@frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com> Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> from Michael Engel at "Jan 18, 98 01:25:01 pm" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:24:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2384 Lines: 50 > due to the overwhelming amount of requests regardings the DECstation port > during the last few weeks ;-), we should do something to get the port further > along. I'm excited. I've been on this list for nearly 2 years now, ever since I "inherited" a DECsystem 5100. As we all know, progress has been very slow, and indeed last May I posted a message to the list asking whether I should hold onto the beast, or just ditch it. With the valiant effort of Paul Antoine, I got a kernel that did more than just immediately stack dump after TFTP load. This was May 11, 1997. And then last September, I finally got around to building my own kernel, and with some hacking and hardcoding of a few things (like memory size!) I got to the point where it's in the delay loop (for the BogoMIPS calculation), and then it stays there forever since the timer interrupt isn't working :-( If anyone has a patch which enables the timer interrupt on a 3100 (we think the 5100 is just a R3000 3100) I'd be VERY interested in seeing it! I don't think I'm further along than other people, but if I am let me know and I'll try to figure out just what I had to patch to get this far. To be honest it seems longer ago than 4 months that I last worked on this! > I will set up a mirror site of Paul's DECstation information pages on Monday > and would like to ask all people who have DECstation patches to upload the > patches to ftp://ftp.math.uni-siegen.de in /incoming. > We should try to find out what the biggest problems in the current > state of the port are. Areas that IMHO need work are: > - Interrupt handling Please do this one first! > Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is > available for testing kernels. > I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get > access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. Add my little DS5100 to that list .... So does anyone know what happened to Paul? I sincerely hope that he's just gone offline to this effort rather than it being something worse .... I just looked through my personal list archives and there is a note from him on December 2nd indicating that he would be on leave, and get a chance to work on the DECstation port ... has anyone heard anything from him? -- Stu Allen Phone: (716) 231-0073 EDS / GNS Internet: stu@cinops.xerox.com From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Jan 19 06:36:38 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id GAA12313; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:36:36 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:36:36 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-10.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.10]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18560 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:36:31 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA13872; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:32:31 +0100 Message-ID: <19980119063231.41788@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:32:31 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? References: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik> <199801190400.XAA19077@frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801190400.XAA19077@frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com>; from Stu Allen on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:59:59PM -0500 Content-Length: 920 Lines: 25 On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:59:59PM -0500, Stu Allen wrote: > Did you run objcopy and strip out the unneeded information from the kernel > image? i.e.: > > mipsel-linux-objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo --remove-section=.mdebug \ > --remove-section=.fixup --remove-section=__ex_tab dec_vmlinux ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ AAAAhhhhhh... > For me at least, this takes a kernel image which is about 1.5 meg and reduces > it to a little under a meg. The resulting image also boots, at least to some > extent! Throwing away used - though rarely - parts of the kernel is indeed a efficient way to shrink the kernel ... > I'm pretty sure that Paul was the one who told me that I needed to do this -- > I'll look for his original message, which I believe explains _why_ you need to > do it. He needs it or the ELF -> ECOFF linking will barf. But it's as wrong as something can be. Ralf From hkoerfg1@ford.com Mon Jan 19 09:39:27 1998 Received: from mailfw2.ford.com (mailfw2.ford.com [136.1.1.27]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA13926; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:39:25 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:39:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by mailfw2.ford.com id AA03221 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199801190839.AA03221@mailfw2.ford.com> Received: by mailfw2.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:39:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:07:11 +0100 From: Harald Koerfgen Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Organization: Ford Motor Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! References: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3783 Lines: 97 Fellow DECstation hackers Michael Engel wrote: > > Hi, > > due to the overwhelming amount of requests regardings the DECstation port > during the last few weeks ;-), we should do something to get the port further > along. Glad to see that there are other people working on the DECstation port. I began to feel lonely ;-). > I will set up a mirror site of Paul's DECstation information pages on Monday > and would like to ask all people who have DECstation patches to upload the > patches to ftp://ftp.math.uni-siegen.de in /incoming. I have done some work on the port lately. You can download a snapshot of my work from http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-koerfgha This is a diff against the linux-2.1.14.2.dec source tree from Paul. > We should try to find out what the biggest problems in the current > state of the port are. Areas that IMHO need work are: > - Interrupt handling I have completely rewritten the interrupt handler itself. The code for initializing the tables in there definitely needs some more work. Have a look at decstation.c to get the idea. > - MMU setup and handling Rudimentary MMU support is also there, very rudimentary. This is just enough to get through buffer_init(). The kernel is now dying in the attempt to return from the first syscall in kernel_thread(...) at the end of main(...) in init/main.c. I am getting a kuseg miss with a BAD_VADDR of 0x00000000, which looks like a NULL pointer dereference. I haven't yet been able to find the reason cause using the prom_printf routine in exception handling code seems to be a bad idea :-(. Actually I am working on a primitive debugging console via serial port. > - of course, device drivers: > o Ethernet (Lance 7990) - should be able to derived from the Sparc port, > major difference is that the Lance has a separate memory area in at > least the DS[23]100 and 5000/200 and isn't able to do DMA. This is true for the DS[23]100 and the 5000/200. The 5000/25, 5000/1xx and 5000/2x0 DECstations have DMA support for the Lance, the NCR53C94 and even the Z8530 chips. > o SCSI in DS[23]100 - the DEC SII chipset. Documented in the DS3100 > functional specs > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > documented ? See other replies. > o Console drivers (I got some of these working with the DZ11) - a DZ11 > compatible UART in DS[23]100 and 5000/200, a Zilog 8530 in at least the > Personal DECstations and the DS5000/1xx. And the 5000/2x0. > Support for the DS[23]100 frame buffer also exists. > We should also examine the differences between the various REX- and > non-REX firmware versions in the various DECstations. > o TurboChannel support - probing for cards etc. and support for the most > important TC options - PMAG-[AB]* graphics adapters, ethernet and SCSI > controllers (which are simply TC versions of the Lance and NCR53C94). > Well, we also have a nice 24-bit i860-accelerated graphics board here ;-) Mee too ;-). > > [So you say that's almost everything - hmmm, maybe you're right ;-)] > > Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is > available for testing kernels. > I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get > access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. I have a 5000/133 and a 5000/240. > I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel > AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be > interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. >From what I have been able to find out, these are very similar to the DECstation 5000/240 and are quite well documented. > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) regards Harald From hkoerfg1@ford.com Mon Jan 19 10:35:32 1998 Received: from mailfw1.ford.com (mailfw1.ford.com [136.1.1.26]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA14253; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:30 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:30 +0100 (MET) Received: by mailfw1.ford.com id AA13690 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:35:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199801190935.AA13690@mailfw1.ford.com> Received: by mailfw1.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:35:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:16 +0100 From: Harald Koerfgen Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Organization: Ford Motor Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? References: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik> <19980119015558.16405@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1194 Lines: 32 Hello all, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: [stuff about compiling problems snipped] > Another problem with newer kernel is that the building strategy Paul > uses to build ECOFF kernel will not work anymore for 2.1.x kernels. The > kernel uses a number of ELF features - too many for ld. It will die > with funny messages. Can it be that this affects the stack manipulation in do_sys(...)? The DECstation kernel is now dying in the return from the first syscall in kernel_thread(...). From what I have been able to find out so far (with the help of two good old friends named printk and PRINT), the regs->cp0_epc += 4; in do_sys(...) is not visible after RESTORE_ALL in ret_from_syscall. > Suggested alternative strategy: build an ELF kernel > like all other systems do and convert it into ECOFF using the > ELF -> ECOFF converter program from the Milo sources. That's will be > a quite robust solution. I have done some experiments with that, but I am sorry to tell that this does not work :-(. It looks like the DECstation boot prom is very picky about the layout of kernel images. Maybe it's time to put some effort in a bootloader which is able to boot ELF kernels. regards, Harald From alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Mon Jan 19 10:47:37 1998 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net (snowcrash.cymru.net [163.164.160.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA14346; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:47:35 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:47:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (the-village.bc.nu [163.164.160.21]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA27775; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:47:21 GMT Received: by lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xuEEo-0005FsC; Mon, 19 Jan 98 10:15 GMT Message-Id: From: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: My NEC VR4000's To: drachen@netexpress.net (David Hinkle) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:15:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <34C2A186.32EF7CFF@netexpress.net> from "David Hinkle" at Jan 18, 98 06:42:46 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 161 Lines: 4 > Oh? What is bugtraq? 5 minutes of looking on the net using tools like altavista would tell you. I dont do other peoples donkey work. Welcome to my kill file From amitm@amitpc.iso.dec.com Mon Jan 19 12:56:02 1998 Received: from server21.digital.fr (server21.digital.fr [193.56.15.21]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA16137; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:56:01 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:56:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26538; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:55:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.8.6/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06216; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:55:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from amitpc.iso.dec.com (amitpc.iso.dec.com [16.190.80.48]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24932; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:35:55 +0100 Received: (from amitm@localhost) by amitpc.iso.dec.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03204; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:55:49 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:55:49 +0200 (IST) X-Face: +.>I%f}6%b\CvW+fu.GmhzH|:y%!V3P2*7(,nH97S|!^o"XqHXMt8/Gr0TE{C;;/_q2cxLs R-2@A-MsVc=lD\Sy]Q+M'dr_z!U!5'[gh}M[6ZF!_rc.)z9DBtK"@Crb(Gx:tvmTZU3'/Vpq;P<@G, >q4U@T[42hI;b@6g@n,H=j.Qxr|{v#%?Ybi)8&slb'B%U\6gKwpG^og^6`0KVCwNH),lafGO&.Cl=P ~&1:4OB'_uU&}HcPkwPT_c*3o.\]`zXIvvKd20Y88!5t*"3"QCkp"\Q[mIEjuAA25B_R Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. Sender: amitm@amitpc.iso.dec.com From: Amit Margalit To: (Michael Engel) Subject: RE: DECstation porters unite ! Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Length: 1335 Lines: 30 Hello! On 18-Jan-98 Michael Engel wrote: > Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is > available for testing kernels. > I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get > access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. I have a DECstation 5000/150 (That's R4000 at 50MHz). Still TC, though. I'd be glad to test kernels, but at present, I cannot do any hacking. I am a Physics major and this is taking up approx. 120% of my time. Add my work and the fact that I live in a rented apt by myself... you get the point. And I haven't even mentioned the time I must spend with my girlfriend if I want to keep her ;-) > I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel > AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be > interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. Well, since the prices of these haven't dropped by too much yet, this is not yet an attractive system for people who want a cheap Alpha. But this will change in time. Amit #include ------------------------------------------------------------- When was the last time you saw a room of people cheer a group of computer science theorists for their significant practical contribution to advancing human knowledge? From amitm@amitpc.iso.dec.com Mon Jan 19 13:05:14 1998 Received: from server21.digital.fr (server21.digital.fr [193.56.15.21]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id NAA16245; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:05:13 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:05:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.vbo.dec.com (mail.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.34]) by server21.digital.fr (8.7.5/8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26978; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:05:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from vbormc.vbo.dec.com (vbormc.vbo.dec.com [16.36.208.94]) by mail.vbo.dec.com (8.8.6/8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06793; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:05:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from amitpc.iso.dec.com (amitpc.iso.dec.com [16.190.80.48]) by vbormc.vbo.dec.com (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25350; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:45:06 +0100 Received: (from amitm@localhost) by amitpc.iso.dec.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03216; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:05:02 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980118184837.42253@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:05:02 +0200 (IST) X-Face: +.>I%f}6%b\CvW+fu.GmhzH|:y%!V3P2*7(,nH97S|!^o"XqHXMt8/Gr0TE{C;;/_q2cxLs R-2@A-MsVc=lD\Sy]Q+M'dr_z!U!5'[gh}M[6ZF!_rc.)z9DBtK"@Crb(Gx:tvmTZU3'/Vpq;P<@G, >q4U@T[42hI;b@6g@n,H=j.Qxr|{v#%?Ybi)8&slb'B%U\6gKwpG^og^6`0KVCwNH),lafGO&.Cl=P ~&1:4OB'_uU&}HcPkwPT_c*3o.\]`zXIvvKd20Y88!5t*"3"QCkp"\Q[mIEjuAA25B_R Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. Sender: amitm@amitpc.iso.dec.com From: Amit Margalit To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Content-Length: 1128 Lines: 32 Hi! On 18-Jan-98 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > Yes. Documentation btw, is available for tree from Symbios Where do I send my tree? (Just kidding, it's a wonderful typo!) > Tss, tss... I wonder if the DECstation is fast enough to keep the FDDI > hardware busy ... I bet a R4000 DS5000/150 at 50MHz would be fast enough, if totally dedicated. >> BTW: I have now a running OpenBSD/pmax on 5000/240 and an running >> NetBSD-1.3_BETA/pmax on the 5000/150 but i'd like to have an >> Debian GNU Linux Mips. Why aren't we stealing some code just to see how it's done? > There is a 80% port of Redhat which you can use to get started, so > rebuilding Debian shouldn't be too hard. Especially the part of Debian > that in earlier times were preventing an easy start are now existing. Do you mean an 80% working RedHat MIPS that works on DECstations??? Amit. #include ------------------------------------------------------------- When was the last time you saw a room of people cheer a group of computer science theorists for their significant practical contribution to advancing human knowledge? From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Mon Jan 19 18:16:06 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA20081; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:16:04 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:16:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id SAA00739 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:15:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01179; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:15:56 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199801191715.SAA01179@jordan.numerik> Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:15:56 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199801190400.XAA19077@frankenmuth.cinops.xerox.com> from "Stu Allen" at Jan 18, 98 10:59:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 754 Lines: 20 > Did you run objcopy and strip out the unneeded information from the kernel > image? i.e.: > > mipsel-linux-objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo --remove-section=.mdebug \ > --remove-section=.fixup --remove-section=__ex_tab dec_vmlinux Well, this works at least .... sorry, Ralf ;-) > For me at least, this takes a kernel image which is about 1.5 meg and reduces > it to a little under a meg. The resulting image also boots, at least to some > extent! The DS5000/200 hangs after displaying the D-Cache size, the 2100 crashes immediately after printing "Linux version 2.1.14 ...". But the d*mn thing boots at least ! I will try to build an ELF kernel and run it through elf2ecoff tonight ... regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Jan 19 22:03:46 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA00622; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:03:44 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:03:44 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-15.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.15]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08257 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:03:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15026; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:55:56 +0100 Message-ID: <19980119215556.27430@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:55:56 +0100 To: Amit Margalit Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! References: <19980118184837.42253@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Amit Margalit on Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 02:05:02PM +0200 Content-Length: 910 Lines: 22 On Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 02:05:02PM +0200, Amit Margalit wrote: > On 18-Jan-98 ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > Yes. Documentation btw, is available for tree from Symbios > > Where do I send my tree? (Just kidding, it's a wonderful typo!) Actually, if you knock me gently with that tree I might get a bit a longer nap than last night ;-) > > There is a 80% port of Redhat which you can use to get started, so > > rebuilding Debian shouldn't be too hard. Especially the part of Debian > > that in earlier times were preventing an easy start are now existing. > > Do you mean an 80% working RedHat MIPS that works on DECstations??? With the neglegtible exception of the the apropriate kernel, yes. My little endian boxes are selfhosting since months. Actually the situation is even better than 80%, we've got a compliet set of X clients. My installation is about 660mb, that's a hell lot of toys. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Jan 20 05:34:24 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id FAA09306; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:34:22 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:34:22 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-05.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.5]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27848 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:34:18 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA15067; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:06:26 +0100 Message-ID: <19980119220626.46792@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:06:26 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? References: <199801182026.VAA01348@jordan.numerik> <19980119015558.16405@uni-koblenz.de> <199801190935.AA13690@mailfw1.ford.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801190935.AA13690@mailfw1.ford.com>; from Harald Koerfgen on Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 10:35:16AM +0100 Content-Length: 1426 Lines: 37 On Mon, Jan 19, 1998 at 10:35:16AM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > Can it be that this affects the stack manipulation in do_sys(...)? It shouldn't. > The DECstation kernel is now dying in the return from the first syscall > in kernel_thread(...). If you're getting that far without kludgology for the rest of the kernel then things are actually looking quite good. > From what I have been able to find out so far > (with the help of two good old friends named printk and PRINT), the > > regs->cp0_epc += 4; > > in do_sys(...) is not visible after RESTORE_ALL in ret_from_syscall. Can you give me some disassembler listing and point right to the program counter where the epc seems to be unchanged again? > > Suggested alternative strategy: build an ELF kernel > > like all other systems do and convert it into ECOFF using the > > ELF -> ECOFF converter program from the Milo sources. That's will be > > a quite robust solution. > > I have done some experiments with that, but I am sorry to tell that this > does not work :-(. It looks like the DECstation boot prom is very picky > about the layout of kernel images. Maybe it's time to put some effort in > a bootloader which is able to boot ELF kernels. I should work, the converter program is based on Ted Lemon's from the NetBSD sources for the pmax. You didn't use the ELF -> a.out converter from the Milo sources by accident? Ralf From omega@omegacs.net Tue Jan 20 08:39:49 1998 Received: from omicron.omegacs.net (omega@omicron.omegacs.net [204.202.49.83]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id IAA10477; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:39:41 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:39:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (omega@localhost) by omicron.omegacs.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA15228 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:39:29 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: omicron.omegacs.net: omega owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Erik Walthinsen (Omega)" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux/MIPS on a PDA? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1445 Lines: 34 I've been searching through numerous sites searching for a decent PDA to get. I am in *desperate* need of one, but that's another story. While scanning M$'s CE site for info, I found that it runs on the MIPS R3910 and R4000 chips, as well as the Hitachi SH-3. What I'm wondering is if it'd be somehow possible to construct a Linux ROM for one of these devices. I *really* want to do this if it's possible, which it seems to be. The apparent top-of-the-line PDA is the HP620LX, which is stated to be built around a "High Performance 32-bit RISC Processor Running at 75 MHz". I don't know much about the Hitachi and MIPS chips, but does this sound like a MIPS? The advantage to this device is that it has most of the features I'd want, including color, PCMCIA, IrDA, serial, audio, and a color screen. It also has 16MB of RAM and 10MB of *user replaceable* ROM. That means that I could theoretically construct a Linux system for my needs, burn it to a ROM, and use it. Anyway, is what I'm thinking even remotely possible? If so, let me know and I'll make sure I get a PDA with the right processor. I want to be using Windoze CE as little as possible... TIA, Omega Erik Walthinsen - SEUL Project system architect __ / \ SEUL: Simple End-User Linux - | | M E G A Creating a Linux distribution _\ /_ for the home or office user From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de Tue Jan 20 09:15:14 1998 Received: from lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (lehr.chem.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.66.25]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA10696; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:15:11 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:15:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from frist@localhost) by lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA02427; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:13:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:13:35 +0100 (MET) From: Frieder Streffer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Latest 2.1.14 sources ??? In-Reply-To: <199801191715.SAA01179@jordan.numerik> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 946 Lines: 32 On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Michael Engel wrote: > > > Did you run objcopy and strip out the unneeded information from the kernel > > image? i.e.: > > > > mipsel-linux-objcopy --remove-section=.reginfo --remove-section=.mdebug \ > > --remove-section=.fixup --remove-section=__ex_tab dec_vmlinux > > Well, this works at least .... sorry, Ralf ;-) > > > For me at least, this takes a kernel image which is about 1.5 meg and reduces > > it to a little under a meg. The resulting image also boots, at least to some > > extent! > > The DS5000/200 hangs after displaying the D-Cache size, the 2100 crashes > immediately after printing "Linux version 2.1.14 ...". But the d*mn thing > boots at least ! I will try to build an ELF kernel and run it through > elf2ecoff tonight ... Hi Michael, the crash is caused by missing nop's in the SAVEALL and RESTOR macro regards, Frieder > > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) > From dom@algor.co.uk Tue Jan 20 09:39:05 1998 Received: from embankment.algor.co.uk (0@embankment.algor.co.uk [193.117.190.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA10809; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:39:03 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:39:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from gladsmuir.algor.co.uk (2041@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk [193.117.190.129]) by embankment.algor.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06312; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:38:57 GMT Received: (from dom@localhost) by gladsmuir.algor.co.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00233; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:40:50 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:40:50 GMT Message-Id: <199801200840.IAA00233@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk> From: Dominic Sweetman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS on a PDA? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Content-Length: 1301 Lines: 32 Erik Walthinsen (Omega) (omega@omegacs.net) writes: > I've been searching through numerous sites searching for a decent PDA to > get. I am in *desperate* need of one, but that's another story. > > While scanning M$'s CE site for info, I found that it runs on the MIPS > R3910 and R4000 chips, as well as the Hitachi SH-3. What I'm wondering is > if it'd be somehow possible to construct a Linux ROM for one of these > devices. I *really* want to do this if it's possible, which it seems to > be. Windows CE for MIPS requires memory management, which is good. None of the PDA processors don't have floating point hardware, which could be bad. NEC's CPUs are R4x00 (64-bit MIPS) and the Toshiba/Phillips are R3000-derivatives (32-bits); Linux is likely to be more familiar with the R4x00, but the differences are pretty localised. And of course you've got to persuade Linux to run with whatever puny memory they have - perhaps 8Mbyte of flash + 8Mbyte of RAM and no disk. Good luck, and I think you'll need it. [And in my opinion, PDA's are useless without a usable input device, and tiny keyboards are useless. So I'm waiting and watching pens and voice, and if necessary prepared to wait a long time. But you don't have to agree...] Dominic Sweetman Algorithmics Ltd dom@algor.co.uk From tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp Tue Jan 20 12:37:27 1998 Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (firewall-user@kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA12074; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:37:23 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:37:23 +0100 (MET) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id UAA00501; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:37:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma000456; Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:36:50 +0900 Received: from nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W9-97112516) with ESMTP id UAA16688; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:36:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from katana.na.kubota.co.jp (katana.na.kubota.co.jp [133.253.116.199]) by nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp (8.7.4+2.6Wbeta6/3.4W4-03/20/96) with ESMTP id UAA02757; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:33:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by katana.na.kubota.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6Wbeta7-971117) with ESMTP id LAA12880; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:33:44 GMT To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux-mips@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Whereis Mailing List Archives. X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92.4 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980120203343I.tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:33:43 +0900 (JST) From: Tatsuya Nakamura X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Content-Length: 326 Lines: 12 Hello. I couldn't search the Linux/MIPS Mailing List archives. Please tell me about whereis the Mailing List archives. with best Regards. +-------------------------------------------+ | KGT Inc,. Nagoya Service Center | | Tatsuya Nakamura tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp | +-------------------------------------------+ From jjacocks@helix.nih.gov Tue Jan 20 15:11:37 1998 Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA13103; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:11:35 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:11:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from dcrtcfbopti01 (cfbopti01.dcrt.nih.gov [156.40.112.81]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12974 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:11:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980120090832.00cf5de0@helix.nih.gov> X-Sender: jjacocks@helix.nih.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:08:32 -0500 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: "J. Alexander Jacocks" Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! In-Reply-To: <199801181225.NAA01041@jordan.numerik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 754 Lines: 18 > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > documented ? Am I mistaken, or is this not very similar to, or the same as, the scsi in the Sparc 2? (And 1,1+,etc) >Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is >available for testing kernels. >I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get >access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. I have a 5000/120, and a 3100... >I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel >AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be >interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. > I agree with this wholeheartedly...I have access to three AXP 3000/600's. From imp@village.org Tue Jan 20 17:55:17 1998 Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA14390; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:55:11 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:55:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xugx1-0003K9-00; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:54:59 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA11195; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:55:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801201655.JAA11195@harmony.village.org> To: omega@omegacs.net, linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: PDA Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:55:04 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 776 Lines: 18 The HP CE boxes are, I believe, SH-3 based. You could take one apart and see what is on the chips inside :-). If you really want a CE-like box, you might want to consider the Tosheba Libretto. The 50CT runs like $1400ish and the 70CT runs $1900ish. The 50CT is a P75 machine with 16M of RAM, PCMCIA, IRDA and a few extra goodies. The keyboard is smaller than normal, but works great. FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD all run flawlessly on it, so I don't see why Linux/i386 wouldn't work as well. The hardware is basically documented. The CE boxes are going to be *HARD* to support because they typically use custom hardare for everything. Check out the netbsd tech-kern archives at http://www.netbsd.org for a recent discussion on the difficulties in doing this. Warner From deviant@datastacks.com Tue Jan 20 21:45:57 1998 Received: from www.datastacks.com (user-38lc56o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.20.216]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA16284; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:45:50 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:45:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 12608 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 1998 20:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO milliways.datastacks.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 20 Jan 1998 20:44:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:44:45 +0000 ( ) From: Peter Reply-To: Peter To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980120090832.00cf5de0@helix.nih.gov> Message-ID: X-PGP-Key-1: pub 1024 0xDE8A70A3 1998-01-18 ---------- DSS Sign & Encrypt X-PGP-Key-2: f20 Fingerprint20 = 0748 AE7C 26C8 314D 7FF8 6810 D573 11F6 DE8A 70A3 X-PGP-Key-3: sub 4096 0x6936675E 1998-01-18 ---------- Diffie-Hellman X-PGP-Key-4: f20 Fingerprint20 = F9E4 268E BBDA 9072 5342 4477 841B 8504 6936 675E X-PGP-Key-5: uid deviant X-PGP-Key-6: sig 0xDE8A70A3 1998-01-18 deviant Approved: not really. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1425 Lines: 39 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, J. Alexander Jacocks wrote: > > o SCSI in almost (?) all other DECstations - NCR53C94. Is this chip > > documented ? > > Am I mistaken, or is this not very similar to, or the same as, the scsi in > the Sparc 2? (And 1,1+,etc) I don't think so. My SparcStation ELC board doesn't have a 53C94. They do seem to share the same hardware regarding the sound, where both use an AMD AM79C chip. This also handles ISDN on the DECStation. > > >Probably it is also a good idea to make a list of the hardware that is > >available for testing kernels. > >I have a DS2100, a 5000/25, a 5000/120 and a 5000/200 and can get > >access to 5000/33's, 3100's and 5000/240's at University. > > I have a 5000/120, and a 3100... I've got 2 5000/25's and a 3100, but those are both already on the list. I don't have consoles for either, so I'm sure I can help testing the serial-console stuff ;) > >I would personally also like to support the first-generation TurboChannel > >AXP machines (3000/[34567]00) as the Alpha developers don't seem to be > >interested in these ... but I still don't have such a machine :-(. > > > I agree with this wholeheartedly...I have access to three AXP 3000/600's. ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/specs seems to have a large portion of the TurboChannel information. -- Peter "Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you." -- Einstein From jjacocks@helix.nih.gov Tue Jan 20 22:10:49 1998 Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA16468; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:10:46 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:10:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from dcrtcfbopti01 (cfbopti01.dcrt.nih.gov [156.40.112.81]) by helix.nih.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06060 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:10:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980120160739.00ce8950@helix.nih.gov> X-Sender: jjacocks@helix.nih.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:07:39 -0500 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: "J. Alexander Jacocks" Subject: Re: DECstation porters unite ! In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19980120090832.00cf5de0@helix.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 452 Lines: 9 >> Am I mistaken, or is this not very similar to, or the same as, the scsi in >> the Sparc 2? (And 1,1+,etc) > >I don't think so. My SparcStation ELC board doesn't have a 53C94. They >do seem to share the same hardware regarding the sound, where both use an >AMD AM79C chip. This also handles ISDN on the DECStation. Yeah, I was mistaken as it was the NCR 53c90 that makes up the esp. Oh well, the 53c94's in my Mac IIci (running Linux!) anyway. From digitech!digitech!arnim@mail.actrix.gen.nz Tue Jan 20 20:12:34 1998 Received: from mail.actrix.gen.nz (uudigi@mail.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.16.37]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA15460; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:12:24 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:12:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from digitech.UUCP (uudigi@localhost) by mail.actrix.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.5) with UUCP id IAA09131 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:12:15 +1300 (NZDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.actrix.gen.nz: uudigi set sender to digitech!digitech!arnim using -f Received: by digitech.co.nz (UUPC/extended 1.12s); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:59:10 +0000 Message-ID: <34c5aace.digitech@digitech.co.nz> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:59:09 +0000 From: "Arnim Littek" Organization: Digi-Tech Communications Ltd, Wellington, New Zealand Reply-To: "Arnim Littek" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS on a PDA? Content-Length: 558 Lines: 16 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:46:57 +1300 (NZDT), linux-mips@fnet.fr wrote: > The apparent top-of-the-line PDA is the HP620LX, which is stated to be > built around a "High Performance 32-bit RISC Processor Running at 75 MHz". > I don't know much about the Hitachi and MIPS chips, but does this sound > like a MIPS? No, Hitachi is not a MIPS licensee, they have their own proprietary SH cores, which are now among the top selling 32 bit engines in history. The MIPS licensees are Toshiba, NEC, LSI Logic, IDT and MIPS/SGI themselves, of course. FWIW, Arnim. -- From adyer@Mercury.mcs.net Wed Jan 21 15:07:43 1998 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA22416; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:07:41 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:07:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (adyer@Mercury.mcs.net [192.160.127.80]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA04706 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:07:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (adyer@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA15997 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:07:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:07:33 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Dyer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS on a PDA? In-Reply-To: <34c5aace.digitech@digitech.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 676 Lines: 15 On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Arnim Littek wrote: > The MIPS licensees are Toshiba, NEC, LSI Logic, IDT and MIPS/SGI > themselves, of course. > You forgot QED and more importantly Phillips, who makes the most popular MIPS chipset for PDA/handheld applications. A lot of the first gen. windows CE machines used SH-3, many have switched to mips for Win CE 2.0 | Andrew Dyer or | | Sr. Design Engineer (773) 961-1751 | | Midway Games, Inc. (773) 961-1890 (fax) | | 2727 W. Roscoe Ave., Chicago, IL 60618 | From gilbert.thijs@skynet.be Fri Jan 23 20:29:41 1998 Received: from skycorp.skynet.be (skycorp.skynet.be [195.238.0.128]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA10553; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:29:39 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:29:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from papagena.skynet.be (papagena.skynet.be [195.238.1.2]) by skycorp.skynet.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07996 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:29:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from sky51509.skynet.be (dialup251.hasselt.skynet.be [195.238.11.251]) by papagena.skynet.be (8.8.5/JOVI-1.0-8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21362 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:29:27 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801231929.UAA21362@papagena.skynet.be> Reply-To: From: "Gilbert Thijs" To: Subject: linux on R3000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:29:22 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 186 Lines: 5 I have a SGI Personal Iris R3000 Pros, 72Mb ram and IRIS 5.2 software. I use LINUX on my PC (200MMX) and i like to use Linux also on my SGI is that possible? Thanks Gilbert Thijs BELGUM From drake@cisco.com Fri Jan 23 23:29:21 1998 Received: from thyme.cisco.com (thyme.cisco.com [171.69.43.12]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id XAA11625; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:29:19 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:29:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from cisco.com (jawong-ultra.cisco.com [171.69.35.39]) by thyme.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA19754 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:28:38 -0800 (PST) Sender: drake@cisco.com Message-ID: <34C9199A.CDF86A9B@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:28:43 -0800 From: Drake Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 185 Lines: 6 Hello, I am currently part of an engineering team, that is porting linux to the Nintendo64. I am requesting that you add drake@cisco.com to the mailing list. Thank you, Drake Stoddard From heller@nacs.net Sun Jan 25 00:35:32 1998 Received: from nacs.net (heller@devel.nacs.net [207.166.192.85]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA01538; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:35:30 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:35:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from heller@localhost) by nacs.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16322; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:35:23 -0500 Message-ID: <19980124183523.53254@nacs.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:35:23 -0500 From: Martin Hebrank To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux on a DEC 5000. . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Content-Length: 1197 Lines: 29 Hi, I've got a couple DEC station 5000/120s. I've got one happily running Ultrix on a 2G drive, it's purpose will be to server named/sendmail/etc for my little lan. That means I've got another DEC Station sitting around doing nothing and since it currently needs some work anyway I decided to volunteer it for testing of kernels and the like. I unfortunately don't have the time to do much kernel hacking, I definately have the time to help test the kernel. I was wondering if you guys needed any kernel testers for the 5000/120. The only problem is that I really am quite new to the DEC station as I obtained these used for a good price recently. This means I might need to be talked through certain things, but I am actually looking forward to learning more about it. I have many years worth of experience running and administering Linux. I have a couple of other linux boxes (and a NeXT Station Turbo) sitting around serving various things. If you decide you can use me and my machine, please feel free to email me. . . ** Martin -- http://www.nacs.net/~heller/funny -- check it out! THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE STILL ALIVE IS BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS DECIDED TO LET YOU LIVE -- KMFDM, Dogma From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Sun Jan 25 17:49:59 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id RAA06384; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:49:57 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:49:57 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-16.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.16]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16282 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:49:53 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA03054; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:46:50 +0100 Message-ID: <19980125174648.57066@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:46:48 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS on a PDA? References: <199801200840.IAA00233@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801200840.IAA00233@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk>; from Dominic Sweetman on Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 08:40:50AM +0000 Content-Length: 1686 Lines: 40 On Tue, Jan 20, 1998 at 08:40:50AM +0000, Dominic Sweetman wrote: > Windows CE for MIPS requires memory management, which is good. None > of the PDA processors don't have floating point hardware, which could > be bad. NEC's CPUs are R4x00 (64-bit MIPS) and the Toshiba/Phillips > are R3000-derivatives (32-bits); Linux is likely to be more familiar > with the R4x00, but the differences are pretty localised. > > And of course you've got to persuade Linux to run with whatever puny > memory they have - perhaps 8Mbyte of flash + 8Mbyte of RAM and no > disk. > > Good luck, and I think you'll need it. Actually from the technical point of view things aren't that bad for such a bad point of view: - some time ago somebody stripped a Linux kernel completly such that it was possible to boot it without swap on a 1mb 386. We should be able to do the same in 2mb. - operation without fpa still isn't supported - There is some GUI library available that is much leaner than X. It think over the thumb it shouldn't be too hard to provide 4mb to application programs with a nearly as complete API as we have now; even more with more effort. Talking about memory managment, anybody keen on porting Linux to the R4640 which only has base/bounds pairs for code/data? Would bring us closer to a Cray port ;-) > [And in my opinion, PDA's are useless without a usable input device, > and tiny keyboards are useless. So I'm waiting and watching pens > and voice, and if necessary prepared to wait a long time. But > you don't have to agree...] Which is why I had to buy a Intel laptop, grmpfff... (Or how much many buckazoids would a Sparc laptop have cost me ...) Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Mon Jan 26 00:40:37 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA10348; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:40:35 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:40:35 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-18.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.18]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25469 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:40:32 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA03213; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:05:15 +0100 Message-ID: <19980125190514.19770@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:05:14 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: linux on R3000 References: <199801231929.UAA21362@papagena.skynet.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801231929.UAA21362@papagena.skynet.be>; from Gilbert Thijs on Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 08:29:22PM +0100 Content-Length: 280 Lines: 9 On Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 08:29:22PM +0100, Gilbert Thijs wrote: > I have a SGI Personal Iris R3000 Pros, 72Mb ram and IRIS 5.2 software. > I use LINUX on my PC (200MMX) and i like to use Linux also on my SGI > is that possible? R3000 machines aren't currently supported. Ralf From andy@monk.cs.net.pl Mon Jan 26 19:45:46 1998 Received: from monk.cs.net.pl (andy@monk.cs.net.pl [195.117.250.4]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id TAA15967; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:45:43 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:45:43 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andy@localhost) by monk.cs.net.pl (8.8.5/8.8.7) id TAA09807; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:45:22 +0100 Message-ID: <19980126194521.60750@monk.cs.net.pl> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:45:21 +0100 From: "Andy C. Brandt" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux on an RM 200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Content-Length: 837 Lines: 18 Hi, I will get a RM 200 workstation in the next couple of days. I would like to use Linux on it, where should I start? AFAIK there is no distribution yet, but maybe there is someone who can tell me how to install what is presently available on this machine? Also - maybe I will be able to help in the project in some way, but I must first get accustomed to the machine which is completely new for me. How do I subscribe to the discussion list? -- /-------------------+-------------------------------+----------------------\ I Andrzej K. Brandt I Cyber Service andy@cs.net.pl I andy@ciemnogrod.net I +-------------------+--------+----------------------+----------------------+ | http://www.cs.net.pl/~andy | "You see, but you do not observe." Sherlock | \----------------------------+---------------------------------------------/ From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Tue Jan 27 00:59:54 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id AAA19191; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:59:52 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:59:52 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-16.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.16]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09789 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:59:49 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA06298; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:56:23 +0100 Message-ID: <19980127005623.06097@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:56:23 +0100 To: andy@monk.cs.net.pl Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux on an RM 200 References: <19980126194521.60750@monk.cs.net.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980126194521.60750@monk.cs.net.pl>; from Andy C. Brandt on Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 07:45:21PM +0100 Content-Length: 712 Lines: 19 On Mon, Jan 26, 1998 at 07:45:21PM +0100, Andy C. Brandt wrote: > I will get a RM 200 workstation in the next couple of days. I would like to > use Linux on it, where should I start? AFAIK there is no distribution yet, > but maybe there is someone who can tell me how to install what is presently > available on this machine? Well, there is no easy installation but the machine is very stable and I just fixed the NCR driver for the RM and others, so you right on time to enjoy the box. > Also - maybe I will be able to help in the project in some way, but I must > first get accustomed to the machine which is completely new for me. > > How do I subscribe to the discussion list? By mailing me :-) Ralf From harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Tue Jan 27 18:32:28 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id SAA24582; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:32:16 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:32:16 +0100 (MET) From: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Received: from franz.netcologne.de (max2-60.netcologne.de [194.8.195.60]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA15208 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:31:05 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:32:09 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Q: R3000, how to manipulate CP0_EPC? Content-Length: 2387 Lines: 56 Hello MIPS hackers, as I've mailed before the DECstation kernel crashes because the return from the very first syscall instruction does not work properly. After two weeks of playing my favourite adventure game "Leisure Suit Harry looking for bugs (in several wrong places)" I think I have found the cause (but not the cure). This is the begin of the RESTORE_ALL macro, which is used in ret_from_sys_call: #define RESTORE_ALL \ mfc0 t0, CP0_STATUS; \ nop; \ ori t0, 0x01; \ xori t0, 0x01; \ mtc0 t0, CP0_STATUS; \ lw v0, PT_STATUS(sp); \ lw v1, PT_LO(sp); \ mtc0 v0, CP0_STATUS; \ mtlo v1; \ lw v0, PT_HI(sp); \ lw v1, PT_EPC(sp); \ mthi v0; \ mtc0 v1, CP0_EPC; \ .. PT_EPC is manipulated in do_sys to point behind the syscall instruction and a PRINT(...) shows that v1 contains the correct value. Nevertheless CP0_EPC remains to be unchanged. After finding that, I used the following test code: #define RESTORE_ALL_TEST \ lui v0,0xffff; \ mtc0 v0,CP0_EPC; \ nop; \ mfc0 a1,CP0_EPC; \ nop; \ PRINT("CP0_EPC : %08x\n"); \ which "compiles" into: 800375d0 lui $v0,0xffff 800375d4 mtc0 $v0,$14 800375dc mfc0 $a1,$14 800375e4 lui $a0,0x800c 800375e8 jal 80054478 800375ec addiu $a0,$a0,5680 and the result is: CP0_EPC : 80036aa4 which is the address of the syscall instruction itself. But the result should be 0xFFFF0000, shouldn't it?. Has anybody an explanation for this, or am I just completely blind? --- regards, Harald From chrisr@hp817.speedware.com Tue Jan 27 21:52:50 1998 Received: from hp817.speedware.com (hp817.speedware.com [192.197.116.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA25799; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:52:28 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:52:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from chrisr@localhost) by hp817.speedware.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03145 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:51:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Chris. Rupnik" Message-Id: <199801272051.PAA03145@hp817.speedware.com> Subject: Mips Magnum and Linux To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 15:51:58 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Content-Length: 261 Lines: 9 Hi I noticed that the latest news page was updated yesterday, so i was wondering if one of you had a little more time to perhaps guide me along in starting a big endian port of linux for the mips magnum? Thank you very much Chris chrisr@speedware.com From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed Jan 28 02:02:31 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id CAA28574; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:02:29 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:02:29 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-30.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.30]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27208 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:02:23 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA08096; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: <19980128015827.34915@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:58:27 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Q: R3000, how to manipulate CP0_EPC? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:32:09PM +0100 Content-Length: 2608 Lines: 61 On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:32:09PM +0100, harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de wrote: > This is the begin of the RESTORE_ALL macro, which is used in ret_from_sys_call: > #define RESTORE_ALL \ > mfc0 t0, CP0_STATUS; \ > nop; \ > ori t0, 0x01; \ > xori t0, 0x01; \ > mtc0 t0, CP0_STATUS; \ > lw v0, PT_STATUS(sp); \ > lw v1, PT_LO(sp); \ > mtc0 v0, CP0_STATUS; \ > mtlo v1; \ > lw v0, PT_HI(sp); \ > lw v1, PT_EPC(sp); \ > mthi v0; \ > mtc0 v1, CP0_EPC; \ > .. > > PT_EPC is manipulated in do_sys to point behind the syscall instruction and a > PRINT(...) shows that v1 contains the correct value. Nevertheless CP0_EPC > remains to be unchanged. > > After finding that, I used the following test code: > #define RESTORE_ALL_TEST \ > lui v0,0xffff; \ > mtc0 v0,CP0_EPC; \ > nop; \ > mfc0 a1,CP0_EPC; \ > nop; \ > PRINT("CP0_EPC : %08x\n"); \ > > which "compiles" into: > 800375d0 lui $v0,0xffff > 800375d4 mtc0 $v0,$14 > 800375dc mfc0 $a1,$14 > 800375e4 lui $a0,0x800c > 800375e8 jal 80054478 > 800375ec addiu $a0,$a0,5680 > > and the result is: > CP0_EPC : 80036aa4 > > which is the address of the syscall instruction itself. But the result should be > 0xFFFF0000, shouldn't it?. > > Has anybody an explanation for this, or am I just completely blind? On the R3000 c0_epc is a readonly register - as documented. That's ok because the R3000 uses a different way of handling exceptions. What you'll have to do to return from an exception is about as follows: restore c0_status move k1, sp ; needed later restore all gp registers restore hi/lo registers lw k0, PT_EPC(sp) jr k0 rfe ; in the delay slot of the jr Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed Jan 28 07:09:33 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id HAA00758; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:09:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:09:31 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09327 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:09:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA08171; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <19980128022737.36152@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:27:37 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: Mips Magnum and Linux References: <199801272051.PAA03145@hp817.speedware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801272051.PAA03145@hp817.speedware.com>; from Chris. Rupnik on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 03:51:58PM -0500 Content-Length: 1894 Lines: 41 On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 03:51:58PM -0500, Chris. Rupnik wrote: > I noticed that the latest news page was updated yesterday, so i was wondering > if one of you had a little more time to perhaps guide me along in starting > a big endian port of linux for the mips magnum? Actually the big endian port should be pretty much straight forward because Linux is already running on big endian machines. What would need to be done is: - You'll have to implement a new boot strategy for the machine. The way it is being done for the other machines won't work because the big endian Magnum uses a different firmware. Q: is there any documentation available about the firmware used for the big endian Magnum 4000? Is it the same firmware as the old pre-ARC firmware for SGIs? What type of disk partitions do the old firmware rsp. the RISC/os use? (Sun style disklabels or ???) Cc to linux@engr where the real Magnum gurus are. - possibly fixing endianess related bugs in the code. The kernel runs on big endian machines however the Magnum specific code and drivers have only be tested on little endian machines - No work will have to be done on userland. - Caveat: the DMA engine in the Magnum does not know about the byteorder. The Magnum is actually designed as a little endian machine. If you're running the Magnum in big endian mode the DMA engine will read from memory in 64 bit chunks but not swap the byteorder as it would have to. This means data will correctly be read/written from/to the disk but media will not be exchangeable with other systems. A possible workaround would be to swap the buffers in software, but that's a performance problem for fast devices like hard disks. So initially you can just ignore the problem as long as you don't want to exchange data with other systems via exchangable media. Ralf From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed Jan 28 07:09:26 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id HAA00736; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:09:24 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:09:24 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from uni-koblenz.de (pmport-07.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.249.7]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09321 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:09:19 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by uni-koblenz.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA08178; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:29:44 +0100 Message-ID: <19980128022944.49395@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:29:44 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Mips Magnum and Linux References: <199801272051.PAA03145@hp817.speedware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199801272051.PAA03145@hp817.speedware.com>; from Chris. Rupnik on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 03:51:58PM -0500 Content-Length: 306 Lines: 9 On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 03:51:58PM -0500, Chris. Rupnik wrote: > I noticed that the latest news page was updated yesterday, Actually it now reflect a liiiitle bit more today's realities. The page is still out of date and incomplete. So we're actually a lot better than what the web pages say. Ralf From hkoerfg1@ford.com Wed Jan 28 08:11:27 1998 Received: from mailfw2.ford.com (mailfw2.ford.com [136.1.1.27]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id IAA01956; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:11:25 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:11:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by mailfw2.ford.com id AA11751 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:11:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199801280711.AA11751@mailfw2.ford.com> Received: by mailfw2.ford.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:11:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:10:59 +0100 From: Harald Koerfgen Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Organization: Ford Motor Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Q: R3000, how to manipulate CP0_EPC? References: <19980128015827.34915@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 808 Lines: 25 Hello, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > On the R3000 c0_epc is a readonly register - as documented. That's ok > because the R3000 uses a different way of handling exceptions. What you'll > have to do to return from an exception is about as follows: > > restore c0_status > move k1, sp ; needed later > restore all gp registers > restore hi/lo registers > lw k0, PT_EPC(sp) > jr k0 > rfe ; in the delay slot of the jr > > Ralf Thanks for the info, Ralf. Either this is not mentioned in the IDT manual or I have simply overlooked this. The Kane book would have saved me a lot of headache, I assume. But then again, as a side effect, debugging output via serial port is working now on my DS5000/133 :-). regards, Harald From ralf@uni-koblenz.de Wed Jan 28 09:33:01 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id JAA03608; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:59 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:59 +0100 (MET) From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Received: from thoma (ralf@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17956 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id JAA08968; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:54 +0100 Message-ID: <19980128093254.54985@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:32:54 +0100 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Q: R3000, how to manipulate CP0_EPC? References: <19980128015827.34915@uni-koblenz.de> <199801280711.AA11751@mailfw2.ford.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801280711.AA11751@mailfw2.ford.com>; from Harald Koerfgen on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 08:10:59AM +0100 Content-Length: 1157 Lines: 30 On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 08:10:59AM +0100, Harald Koerfgen wrote: > > On the R3000 c0_epc is a readonly register - as documented. That's ok > > because the R3000 uses a different way of handling exceptions. What you'll > > have to do to return from an exception is about as follows: > > > > restore c0_status > > move k1, sp ; needed later > > restore all gp registers > > restore hi/lo registers > > lw k0, PT_EPC(sp) > > jr k0 > > rfe ; in the delay slot of the jr > > > > Ralf > > Thanks for the info, Ralf. Either this is not mentioned in the IDT > manual or I have simply overlooked this. The Kane book would have saved > me a lot of headache, I assume. Yes, the Kane book documents c0_epc as r/o register. Dunno about the IDT docs but the R3081 docs from them look quite good otherwise. > But then again, as a side effect, > debugging output via serial port is working now on my DS5000/133 :-). In that case you can try to use the remote debugging support in the kernel. Ok, it will need some R3k polishing also ... Ralf From Bernhard.E.Scheckenbach@cdc.com Wed Jan 28 11:52:38 1998 Received: from eurohub.europe.cdc.com (eurohub.europe.cdc.com [129.179.216.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id LAA04715; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:52:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:52:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from eurohub-gw.europe.cdc.com by eurohub.europe.cdc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:51:18 Z X400-Received: by mta MTA-eurohub in /c=US/admd=ATTMail/prmd=CDC/; Relayed; 28 Jan 1998 10:51:18 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMail/prmd=CDC/; Relayed; 28 Jan 1998 10:51:18 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMail/prmd=CDC/; 0142534CF0DA6001-MTA-eurohub] Content-Identifier: 0142534CF0DA6001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Bernhard.E.Scheckenbach@cdc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <0142534CF0DA6001*/c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=cdc/o=CDSDE/ou=gerfrk/ou=notes/s=Scheckenbach/g=Bernhard/i=E/@MHS> Date: 28 Jan 1998 10:51:18 Z From: Bernhard E Scheckenbach To: linux-mips@fnet.fr (IPM Return requested) Subject: LINUX for R3000 Content-Length: 383 Lines: 14 Hi folks , I've still got an old MIPS RC3230 Box , where I would like to run LINUX . Is there any port to this kind of system ? Any plans to support R3xxx at all ? Regards,Bernhard Bernhard Scheckenbach PHONE: 069/6305-582 CONTROL DATA GmbH WEB: http://www.cdc.com/ Stresemannalle 30 EMAIL: Bernhard.Scheckenbach@cdc.com 60596 Frankfurt Germany From rji@bristol.st.com Wed Jan 28 12:43:32 1998 Received: from hawkweed.bri.st.com (hawkweed.bri.st.com [192.26.234.4]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id MAA05607; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:43:29 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:43:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from thistle.inmos.co.uk [138.198.1.7] by hawkweed.bri.st.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0xxVtF-0002cH-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:42:45 +0000 Received: from panther [138.198.35.30] by thistle.inmos.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxVu0-00036X-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:43:32 +0000 Received: from rji by panther with local (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xxVtk-0007Mh-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:43:16 +0000 From: Richard Ingram Message-Id: <9801281143.ZM28313@bristol.st.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:43:16 +0000 In-Reply-To: Bernhard E Scheckenbach "LINUX for R3000" (Jan 28, 10:52am) References: <0142534CF0DA6001*/c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=cdc/o=CDSDE/ou=gerfrk/ou=notes/s=Scheckenbach/g=Bernhard/i=E/@MHS> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: LINUX for R3000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 585 Lines: 20 On Jan 28, 10:52am, Bernhard E Scheckenbach wrote: > Subject: LINUX for R3000 > Hi folks , > > I've still got an old MIPS RC3230 Box , where I would like to run LINUX . > Is there any port > to this kind of system ? Any plans to support R3xxx at all ? > > Regards,Bernhard I believe if the mail-list archives are searched that there was some work done on booting the DEC R3xxx kernel on these older MIPS boxes, I never tried myself with my RC3330 but I'm sure someone managed to get a fair way, if I have time I will search through my archived mails on the subject. Richard. -- From andy@monk.cs.net.pl Wed Jan 28 15:36:32 1998 Received: from monk.cs.net.pl (andy@monk.cs.net.pl [195.117.250.4]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA06907; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:36:27 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:36:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andy@localhost) by monk.cs.net.pl (8.8.5/8.8.7) id PAA00815; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:32 +0100 Message-ID: <19980128154031.08879@monk.cs.net.pl> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:31 +0100 From: "Andy C. Brandt" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: RM 200 and a newbie - help needed. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Content-Length: 1556 Lines: 28 Dear Mips-ers, since yesterday I have an Siemens-Nixdorf RM 200 sitting here on my desk next to my old faithfull i486 Linux box. I have received it without any documentation, with Sinix installed. The previous owners of the machine didn't pass me the root password, so I spent last evening trying to boot that dreaded Sinix single user. Without success. Then I gave up - especially as I want to have Linux on this box anyway - and turned to Linux/MIPS FAQ and HOWTO. There is no single hint about how the installation procedure should look like, but I downloaded milo (I was suprised to notice how old it was) and tried to move it onto floppy disk as described in the HOWTO. Then I tried to run it from SASH, but boot command isn't probably the best thing to try and there is no run command there. When I tried to just issue floppy()milo command it said "couldn't determine fs type". Now - I know that you are all too busy to care about newbies, but please give me at least some hints about what to do to get Linux working on my RM. In return I promise that I will write a detailed instructions how to do it so other newbies won't be asking this questions again. -- /-------------------+-------------------------------+----------------------\ I Andrzej K. Brandt I Cyber Service andy@cs.net.pl I andy@ciemnogrod.net I +-------------------+--------+----------------------+----------------------+ | http://www.cs.net.pl/~andy | "You see, but you do not observe." Sherlock | \----------------------------+---------------------------------------------/ From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Thu Jan 29 21:50:01 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA17327; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:49:59 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:49:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:49:44 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xy0tr-002Oj9C; Thu, 29 Jan 98 21:49 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA01922; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:27:05 +0100 Message-ID: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:27:05 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: strange problem with my oli M700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 Content-Length: 456 Lines: 13 Hi, I'm trying to read the firmware prom of my Olivetti M700 (Magnum 4000 clone). When access the address 0x9fc00000 (which is the KSEG0 address of the prom) the box freezes immidiately. Does anybody know why ? And how could I access the prom otherwise ? Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Thu Jan 29 21:49:52 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id VAA17305; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:49:51 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:49:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:49:47 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xy0ts-002OjBC; Thu, 29 Jan 98 21:49 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA01945; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:40:16 +0100 Message-ID: <19980129214016.16975@alpha.franken.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:40:16 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Looking for a tester of my oli kernel on a magnum 4000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 Content-Length: 570 Lines: 16 Hi, someone from Japan, who has a Magnum 4000 machine, does have some problems with the kernel I've compiled for my Olivetti M700. Can anybody with a working Linux kernel on a Magnum 4000 test this kernel and tell me if it boots for him ? Thanks in advance. You can find the kernel in the following place: ftp://ftp.linux.sgi.com:/pub/test/vmlinux-magnum-971229.gz Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Jan 29 22:17:54 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA18879; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:53 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04146; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:52 +0100 (MET) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id WAA08678; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:50 +0100 Message-ID: <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:50 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strange problem with my oli M700 References: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de>; from Thomas Bogendoerfer on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 09:27:05PM +0100 Content-Length: 478 Lines: 11 On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 09:27:05PM +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > I'm trying to read the firmware prom of my Olivetti M700 (Magnum 4000 clone). > When access the address 0x9fc00000 (which is the KSEG0 address of the prom) > the box freezes immidiately. Does anybody know why ? And how could I access > the prom otherwise ? Did you try uncached accesses via KSEG1? I wouldn't wonder if the used PROMs can't cope with the bursts generated for filling a cacheline. Ralf From ralf@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Jan 29 22:24:52 1998 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA18945; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:24:51 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:24:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from zaphod (ralf@zaphod.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.13]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04468; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:24:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by zaphod (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id WAA08923; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:24:48 +0100 Message-ID: <19980129222448.55873@uni-koblenz.de> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:24:48 +0100 From: ralf@uni-koblenz.de To: Thomas Bogendoerfer Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strange problem with my oli M700 References: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de> <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 10:17:50PM +0100 Content-Length: 618 Lines: 14 On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 10:17:50PM +0100, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > > I'm trying to read the firmware prom of my Olivetti M700 (Magnum 4000 clone). > > When access the address 0x9fc00000 (which is the KSEG0 address of the prom) > > the box freezes immidiately. Does anybody know why ? And how could I access > > the prom otherwise ? > > Did you try uncached accesses via KSEG1? I wouldn't wonder if the used > PROMs can't cope with the bursts generated for filling a cacheline. Which btw reminds me that enabling the second level cache on a Indy also makes call into the ARC firmware crash. Dunno why. Ralf From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Fri Jan 30 01:02:48 1998 Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id BAA21676; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:47 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de via rmail with uucp id for fnet.fr!linux-mips; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:42 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0xy3um-002Oj6C; Fri, 30 Jan 98 01:02 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id AAA02373; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:00:33 +0100 Message-ID: <19980130000032.48964@alpha.franken.de> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:00:32 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strange problem with my oli M700 References: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de> <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85 In-Reply-To: <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de>; from ralf@uni-koblenz.de on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 10:17:50PM +0100 Content-Length: 789 Lines: 19 On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 10:17:50PM +0100, ralf@uni-koblenz.de wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 09:27:05PM +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > > I'm trying to read the firmware prom of my Olivetti M700 (Magnum 4000 clone). > > When access the address 0x9fc00000 (which is the KSEG0 address of the prom) > > the box freezes immidiately. Does anybody know why ? And how could I access > > the prom otherwise ? > > Did you try uncached accesses via KSEG1? I wouldn't wonder if the used > PROMs can't cope with the bursts generated for filling a cacheline. uncached access works. Thanks. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From wje@fir.engr.sgi.com Fri Jan 30 01:25:06 1998 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with SMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id BAA21863; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:25:04 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:25:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id QAA16976; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0800 env-from (wje@fir.engr.sgi.com) Received: from fir.engr.sgi.com (fir.engr.sgi.com [150.166.49.183]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA06078; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:20:30 -0800 Received: (from wje@localhost) by fir.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA02574; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:20:12 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:20:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199801300020.QAA02574@fir.engr.sgi.com> From: "William J. Earl" To: ralf@uni-koblenz.de Cc: Thomas Bogendoerfer , linux-mips@fnet.fr, linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strange problem with my oli M700 In-Reply-To: <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de> References: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de> <19980129221750.18001@uni-koblenz.de> Content-Length: 635 Lines: 13 ralf@uni-koblenz.de writes: > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 09:27:05PM +0100, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > > > I'm trying to read the firmware prom of my Olivetti M700 (Magnum 4000 clone). > > When access the address 0x9fc00000 (which is the KSEG0 address of the prom) > > the box freezes immidiately. Does anybody know why ? And how could I access > > the prom otherwise ? > > Did you try uncached accesses via KSEG1? I wouldn't wonder if the used > PROMs can't cope with the bursts generated for filling a cacheline. I am pretty certain that is the case for the Magnum. That is, you must use 0xbfc00000, not 0x9fc00000. From adyer@Mercury.mcs.net Fri Jan 30 15:08:53 1998 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id PAA25820; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:08:48 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:08:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (adyer@Mercury.mcs.net [192.160.127.80]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA16879; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:08:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (adyer@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA29749; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:08:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:08:31 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Dyer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr cc: linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com Subject: Re: strange problem with my oli M700 In-Reply-To: <19980129212705.29618@alpha.franken.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 931 Lines: 19 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Thomas Bogendoerfer wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to read the firmware prom of my Olivetti M700 (Magnum 4000 clone). > When access the address 0x9fc00000 (which is the KSEG0 address of the prom) > the box freezes immidiately. Does anybody know why ? And how could I access > the prom otherwise ? > Accesses through kseg0 generate burst reads on the CPU bus. If the memory controller doesn't support it for that region of memory, the system could hang. Since the system reset vector is in kseg1 (ie 0xbfc00000), accesses through that region have to work, or the machine wouldn't boot. | Andrew Dyer or | | Sr. Design Engineer (773) 961-1751 | | Midway Games, Inc. (773) 961-1890 (fax) | | 2727 W. Roscoe Ave., Chicago, IL 60618 | From andy@monk.cs.net.pl Fri Jan 30 20:51:21 1998 Received: from monk.cs.net.pl (andy@monk.cs.net.pl [195.117.250.4]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA28141; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:51:08 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:51:08 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andy@localhost) by monk.cs.net.pl (8.8.5/8.8.7) id UAA07157; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:49:54 +0100 Message-ID: <19980130204952.47622@monk.cs.net.pl> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:49:52 +0100 From: "Andy C. Brandt" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: RM 200 - no response. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Content-Length: 1012 Lines: 21 Hi, a few days ago I have posted to the list hoping that someone who already has Linux/MIPS running on an SNI RM 200 workstation will point me in the right direction or give some help in getting Linux to run on mine RM 200. No one responded. Does that mean that RM 200 is not supported and no one on this list has ever made Linux run on one of these? Or maybe this means that this list is only for kernel hackers and such questions are inappropriate? Sorry - but I really want to get Linux running on it. On the other hand it's the first time when I'm asking something in the Linux community and no one wants to help. -- /-------------------+-------------------------------+----------------------\ I Andrzej K. Brandt I Cyber Service andy@cs.net.pl I andy@ciemnogrod.net I +-------------------+--------+----------------------+----------------------+ | http://www.cs.net.pl/~andy | "You see, but you do not observe." Sherlock | \----------------------------+---------------------------------------------/ From lembark@wrkhors.com Sat Jan 31 10:04:13 1998 Received: from bird.wrkhors.com (root@bird.wrkhors.com [209.113.60.146]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id KAA04950; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:04:11 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:04:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from getz.wrkhors.com (d36.ch.cin.net [204.120.62.46]) by bird.wrkhors.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA01978 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:03:59 -0600 Sender: lembark@wrkhors.com Message-ID: <34D2E942.8D874BC@wrkhors.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:05:06 -0600 From: Steven Lembark Organization: Workhorse Computing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; U; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: how goes the project? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 771 Lines: 17 Have a DECStation-5000/200 sitting here w/ PXGT video and most of the parts to get it running. catch is i can't get the machine up to test it until i can get a runnable O/S for it -- can't get my hands on any purloined copies of ULTRIX or OSF/1 that'll boot the thing. If there's a need for some alpha-test boxes this one is open... -- Steven Lembark 9 Music Square South, No. 344 lembark@wrkhors.com Nashville, TN 37203 800-762-1582 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed here are those of this company. I am the company. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From "Harald Koerfgen"harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Sat Jan 31 20:01:15 1998 Received: from ns2.netcologne.de (ns2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.71]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA07640; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:01:13 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:01:13 +0100 (MET) From: "Harald Koerfgen"harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Received: from franz.netcologne.de (max1-105.netcologne.de [194.8.196.105]) by ns2.netcologne.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25962 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:00:01 GMT X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:01:11 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: harald.koerfgen@netcologne.de Organization: none Sender: harry@franz.netcologne.de To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: DECstation news Content-Length: 879 Lines: 27 Hello all, here are the latest DECstations news: [some boot messages snipped] Loading R[23]00 MMU routines. Please write the time init code for the DECStation! init/main.c: skipping console_init! Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 32.90 BogoMIPS Memory: 47316k/49148k available (756k kernel code, 884k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.037 for Linux 2.1 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.14 for Linux NET3.037. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. Linux version 2.1.14 (harry@franz) (gcc version 2.7.2) #7 Sat Jan 31 19:37:31 MET 1998 POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX fs/filesystems.c: skipping device_setup() VFS: Cannot open root device 00:00 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 Looks like device driver hacking time, any volunteers? --- regards, Harald From afritz@iname.com Sat Jan 31 20:28:20 1998 Received: from ren.globecomm.net (ren.globecomm.net [207.51.48.3]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id UAA07800; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:28:17 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:28:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from afritz.ironwood.phx.k12.az.us (ip-20-244.phx.primenet.com [206.165.20.244]) by ren.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA05151 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:28:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801311928.OAA05151@ren.globecomm.net> X-Sender: afritz@pop.primenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:30:20 -0700 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: Adam Fritzler Subject: Re: DECstation news Content-Length: 1040 Lines: 26 At 08:01 PM 1/31/98 +0100, you wrote: >Loading R[23]00 MMU routines. >Please write the time init code for the DECStation! >init/main.c: skipping console_init! >Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 32.90 BogoMIPS >Memory: 47316k/49148k available (756k kernel code, 884k data) >Swansea University Computer Society NET3.037 for Linux 2.1 >NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.14 for Linux NET3.037. >Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.037 >IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP >Checking for 'wait' instruction... unavailable. >Linux version 2.1.14 (harry@franz) (gcc version 2.7.2) #7 Sat Jan 31 19:37:31 >MET 1998 >POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX >fs/filesystems.c: skipping device_setup() >VFS: Cannot open root device 00:00 >Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 Sounds like Lance would be the most logical next step (NFS root). Not that I'm volunteering (no time)... Where are you keeping your kernels and patches? Adam ( Adam Fritzler afritz@iname.com ) http://afritz.base.org/ From engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de Sat Jan 31 22:29:33 1998 Received: from fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de [141.99.2.230]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr with ESMTP (8.8.8/97.02.12/Guadalquivir); id WAA08610; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:29:31 +0100 (MET) Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:29:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from jordan.numerik (jordan [141.99.112.9]) by fourier.numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) with SMTP id WAA10043 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:29:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by jordan.numerik (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA19444; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:29:23 +0100 From: engel@numerik.math.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Message-Id: <199801312129.WAA19444@jordan.numerik> Subject: More DECstation News ... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:29:22 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 908 Lines: 23 Hi, More news on the DECstation port - I hacked some web pages to provide a better presentation of information on the DECstation port ... please have a look at http://decstation.unix-ag.org and tell me how you like it ! This webserver was indeed running on a DS5000/200 until a few days ago, but the good old machine died last week which is (part of ...) the reason for the delay. I'm waiting for all news on the port ... While we're on the subject ... IIRC, Ralf mentioned that the Linux/MIPS web pages are also not up to of date in a posting in comp.sys.mips. I could take the position of maintaining the Linux/MIPS website, too, so we have all the information together in one or two (including the SGI port) places again ... I think I might also take the challenge of getting the LANCE to work. Where are the most recent patches, Harald ? ;-) regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de)