From jctihon@ucdavis.edu Tue Feb 4 05:37:21 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA01268 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:37:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from guilder.ucdavis.edu by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06034; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 05:35:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from 163lib-13.ucdavis.edu by guilder.ucdavis.edu (8.8.5/UCD3.8.4) id UAA15444; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 20:37:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <32F6BCF6.1B6C@ucdavis.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 20:37:10 -0800 From: Jack Tihon Organization: University of California at Davis X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 315 Lines: 9 Hello all, I'm interested in joining this mailing list because I have purchased a MIPS Magnum 4000 PC-50 and would like to run Linux on it. I was also wondering if anyone knows what type of RAM this thing uses, since I can hardly find any information on this hardware at all. Thanks, -Jack From seamans@cs.stanford.edu Tue Feb 4 10:04:51 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02339 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:04:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from tera (tera.Stanford.EDU) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12825; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:03:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (seamans@localhost) by tera (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA01286; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:26:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199702040726.XAA01286@tera> X-Authentication-Warning: tera.Stanford.EDU: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: moose@Crissy.Stanford.EDU, Steve Herrod Subject: Re: making a BIG ENDIAN root disk In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:20:51 PST." <199701302220.OAA07472@ncube> Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 23:26:39 -0800 From: Elizabeth Seamans Content-Length: 484 Lines: 20 Hi, > I need to make a BIG ENDIAN root disk to use > with the latest linux-mips kernel. As a reminder, we ported it to be > big endian for our SimOS machine simulation. While piecing together the big endian root disk Steve referred to above, we discovered that the available sources for libc include assembly files specific to the i386 and m68k, but not mips. Would you have a mips-specific version of the libc sources, or know where we could find them? Thanks, Beth From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Feb 4 14:35:31 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03829 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:35:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA21383; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:33:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from thoma (linux@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03157; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:25:44 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702041325.OAA03157@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id OAA18244; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:25:42 +0100 Subject: Re: making a BIG ENDIAN root disk To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:25:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: moose@Crissy.Stanford.EDU, herrod@cs.stanford.edu In-Reply-To: <199702040726.XAA01286@tera> from "Elizabeth Seamans" at Feb 3, 97 11:26:39 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 741 Lines: 18 Hi, > > I need to make a BIG ENDIAN root disk to use > > with the latest linux-mips kernel. As a reminder, we ported it to be > > big endian for our SimOS machine simulation. > > While piecing together the big endian root disk Steve referred to > above, we discovered that the available sources for libc include > assembly files specific to the i386 and m68k, but not mips. > Would you have a mips-specific version of the libc sources, > or know where we could find them? Burn that source tree. You have the source of Linux libc. I had a port of version 5.2.9 done and decided to rm -rf in favour for GNU libc. Get the GNU libc source tree (latest I published is libc-961216.tar.gz) from ftp.fnet.fr or kernel.panic.julia.de. Ralf From imp@village.org Tue Feb 4 17:17:48 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04642 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:17:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27293; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:15:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org [127.0.0.1] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 0.56 #1) id E0vrnYr-0007LJ-00; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:17:33 -0700 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: Jack Tihon Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Feb 1997 20:37:10 PST." <32F6BCF6.1B6C@ucdavis.edu> References: <32F6BCF6.1B6C@ucdavis.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 09:17:33 -0700 From: Warner Losh Message-Id: Content-Length: 423 Lines: 10 In message <32F6BCF6.1B6C@ucdavis.edu> Jack Tihon writes: : I'm interested in joining this mailing list because I have : purchased a MIPS Magnum 4000 PC-50 and would like to run Linux on it. : I was also wondering if anyone knows what type of RAM this thing uses, : since I can hardly find any information on this hardware at all. SIPPs are what you need if it like th board that I once had a chance to purchase. Warner From rji@bristol.st.com Tue Feb 4 17:45:05 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05127 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:45:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay2.EUnet.fr by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28030; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:43:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from hawkweed (hawkweed.bri.st.com) by relay2.eunet.fr (5.65c8d/96.05.03) via EUnet-France id AA02122; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 17:44:34 +0100 (MET) Received: by hawkweed id QAA28607; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:43:39 GMT From: "Richard Ingram" Message-Id: <9702041643.ZM3483@bristol.st.com> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 16:43:10 +0000 In-Reply-To: Jack Tihon "Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000" (Feb 3, 8:37pm) References: <32F6BCF6.1B6C@ucdavis.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1295 Lines: 37 On Feb 3, 8:37pm, Jack Tihon wrote: > Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 > Hello all, > I'm interested in joining this mailing list because I have > purchased a MIPS Magnum 4000 PC-50 and would like to run Linux on it. > I was also wondering if anyone knows what type of RAM this thing uses, > since I can hardly find any information on this hardware at all. > > Thanks, > > -Jack > >-- End of excerpt from Jack Tihon I was told that they take 72 pin SIMMS WITH PARITY and that you fill the SIMM banks that are vertical before the angled ones, ie 4 up then 4 slanted, not sure if you have to fill all 4 banks though ? Did you get yours from Onsale ? All 10 went pretty quick. I was wondering about the graphics cards, did all "ACE" machines use proprietry cards in EISA slots ? Were there ever any 3rd party makers ? Talking of Graphics cards what are the basics behind them, I mean such things as what do the PROMS/EPROMS contain ? Do they contain x86 code or native to the graphics processor ? Just thinking of ways to get around the shortage of GC for these MIPS boxes, also how come they had no graphics cards ? Did someone take them out thinking they could be used on EISA equiped PCs ?? Cheers, Richard. Owner of bare bones Magnum and Millennium !! From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Feb 4 18:22:48 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05626 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:22:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28899; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:20:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from thoma (linux@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA21814; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:20:21 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702041720.SAA21814@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id SAA19781; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:20:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:20:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: jctihon@ucdavis.edu In-Reply-To: from "Warner Losh" at Feb 4, 97 09:17:33 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 672 Lines: 17 > > In message <32F6BCF6.1B6C@ucdavis.edu> Jack Tihon writes: > : I'm interested in joining this mailing list because I have > : purchased a MIPS Magnum 4000 PC-50 and would like to run Linux on it. > : I was also wondering if anyone knows what type of RAM this thing uses, > : since I can hardly find any information on this hardware at all. > > SIPPs are what you need if it like th board that I once had a chance > to purchase. NO! PS/2 SIMMs (72 bit) _with_ parity. Believe me, my Acer has the RAMs I ripped out of a Magnum that was upgraded. Each bank has four modules and has to be filled using the same type of SIMM. I'll subscribe you to the list. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Feb 4 18:31:16 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06020 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:31:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29010; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:29:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from thoma (linux@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA22319 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:29:32 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702041729.SAA22319@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id SAA19796; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:29:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:29:30 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9702041643.ZM3483@bristol.st.com> from "Richard Ingram" at Feb 4, 97 04:43:10 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1511 Lines: 37 Hi, > I was told that they take 72 pin SIMMS WITH PARITY and that you fill the SIMM > banks that are vertical before the angled ones, ie 4 up then 4 slanted, not > sure if you have to fill all 4 banks though ? The machine has just two banks, each four modules. Makes a possible maximum of eight modules total. I think in the boards I saw all slots were slanted. > Did you get yours from Onsale ? All 10 went pretty quick. > > I was wondering about the graphics cards, did all "ACE" machines use proprietry > cards in EISA slots ? Were there ever any 3rd party makers ? The slots with the proprietary cards are no EISA slots no matter how similar they look. > Talking of Graphics cards what are the basics behind them, I mean such things > as what do the PROMS/EPROMS contain ? Do they contain x86 code or native to the > graphics processor ? The GFX card EPROM contains just one single byte that (probably) says if it's a 1mb or 2mb version of the GFX card. The onboard EEPROMS contain the firmware used for booting the machine. > Just thinking of ways to get around the shortage of GC for these MIPS boxes, > also how come they had no graphics cards ? Did someone take them out thinking > they could be used on EISA equiped PCs ?? The machines can be jumpered to work with serial console. In theory you could use them that way and use a normal (E)ISA GFX card as display for the machine, an X-terminal or just stick with the serial console. > Owner of bare bones Magnum and Millennium !! Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Feb 4 19:53:54 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA06736 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:53:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from aw.bnc.net (aw.ivm.net) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01886; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:52:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (andy@newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by aw.bnc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA26479 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:54:31 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA06609; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:53:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:53:35 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199702041853.TAA06609@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 In-Reply-To: <9702041643.ZM3483@bristol.st.com> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1999 Lines: 54 --------- Received message begins Here --------- Hi, yeah, I just got five minutes left and read the Linux/MIPS news ;-) > > I was told that they take 72 pin SIMMS WITH PARITY and that you fill the SIMM > banks that are vertical before the angled ones, ie 4 up then 4 slanted, not > sure if you have to fill all 4 banks though ? Yes, you need 72pin PS/2 SIMMs with parity, 60ns speed, and at least 8 Megs in 4 Modules, and max. 256 Megs in 8 Modules (but this won't work unless you reduce clock speed to 40 Mhz). > I was wondering about the graphics cards, did all "ACE" machines use proprietry > cards in EISA slots ? Were there ever any 3rd party makers ? The frame buffer of the Magnum is a proprietary Mips board. You can't use 3rd party VGA cards or the like. > > Talking of Graphics cards what are the basics behind them, I mean such things > as what do the PROMS/EPROMS contain ? Do they contain x86 code or native to the > graphics processor ? So far I can remember, the EPROM on the Mips Magnum frame buffer just contain a type code, nothing else. No character set, no code. Just a single word to distuingish between 1MB and 2MB frame buffers. The first one can only display 1024x768, the latter one is also able to handle 1280x1024. > > Just thinking of ways to get around the shortage of GC for these MIPS boxes, > also how come they had no graphics cards ? Did someone take them out thinking > they could be used on EISA equiped PCs ?? no, Mips sold two different versions: Server (no video, no mouse, no audio) and Workstation (fully equipped). > > Owner of bare bones Magnum and Millennium !! > Owner of two Magnums and one Olivetti !!! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Feb 4 22:21:05 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07661 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:21:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA05469; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:17:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from uhland (linux@uhland.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.63]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06466 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:17:33 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702042117.WAA06466@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by uhland (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id WAA29266; Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:17:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:17:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702041853.TAA06609@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Feb 4, 97 07:53:35 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 162 Lines: 7 > > Owner of two Magnums and one Olivetti !!! He did not mention the signatures of all the Magnum developers inside the case and the low serial number. Ralf From rji@bristol.st.com Wed Feb 5 14:27:14 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12606 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:27:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from hawkweed (hawkweed.bri.st.com) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04465; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:25:30 +0100 (MET) Received: by hawkweed id NAA02960; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:27:35 GMT From: "Richard Ingram" Message-Id: <9702051327.ZM17884@bristol.st.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:27:05 +0000 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000" (Feb 4, 7:53pm) References: <199702041853.TAA06609@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 638 Lines: 22 On Feb 4, 7:53pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 > > no, Mips sold two different versions: Server (no video, no mouse, no audio) > and Workstation (fully equipped). And at the moment Linux/Mips supports the Workstation only versions ? Does that mean that my Millennium that was used as a server should boot via serial link ? I suppose the only OS the server models worked with was RISC/OS not WinNT ? What we need then is a seriel bootable Linux and an Xserver or shell that you can rlogin over Ethernet ? > Owner of two Magnums and one Olivetti !!! Ah but do they have graphics cards ;-) Rich. From rji@bristol.st.com Thu Feb 6 13:48:09 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21103 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:48:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from hawkweed (hawkweed.bri.st.com) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13883; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:46:22 +0100 (MET) Received: by hawkweed id NAA03385; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:52:09 GMT From: "Richard Ingram" Message-Id: <9702051351.ZM18444@bristol.st.com> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:51:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Richard Ingram" "Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000" (Feb 5, 1:27pm) References: <199702041853.TAA06609@newton.soft-n-hard.de> <9702051327.ZM17884@bristol.st.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: MIPS Magnum 4000 Graphics Card? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 210 Lines: 8 Just seen the following for sale is this the right card for a Mips R4000 Magnum/Millennium or is it for the R3000 versions ? IMRB3130 MIPS RB3130 Color Board, 8 Plane Grafik Controller Thanks, Rich From ralf@Julia.DE Wed Feb 5 15:36:52 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13275 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:36:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06715; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:35:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15823 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:33:46 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA00782 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:35:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199702051435.PAA00782@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:35:41 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9702051327.ZM17884@bristol.st.com> from "Richard Ingram" at Feb 5, 97 01:27:05 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 983 Lines: 29 Hi, > > no, Mips sold two different versions: Server (no video, no mouse, no audio) > > and Workstation (fully equipped). > > And at the moment Linux/Mips supports the Workstation only versions ? Yes, but not the onboard SCSI. > Does that mean that my Millennium that was used as a server should boot via > serial link ? Probably. The Millenium aka Magnum 4000SC isn't supported yet; the support for the SC/MC caches is still missing. > I suppose the only OS the server models worked with was RISC/OS not WinNT ? Yes. And with the experience I made with WNT on Olivetti I would not even try to install it. It will just crash. > What we need then is a seriel bootable Linux and an Xserver or shell that you > can rlogin over Ethernet ? Yes. You can try to attach the machine's serial interface via a nullmodem to another machine/terminal. The parameters should be 9600 8N1. Maybe you have to hit the break key several times but then you should get some output. Ralf From rraffer1@osf1.gmu.edu Wed Feb 5 23:26:34 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA15893 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:26:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from osf1.gmu.edu by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18458; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:24:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by osf1.gmu.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/07Sep94-1001AM/GMUv3) id AA12808; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:26:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:26:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Rafferty To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: News? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 342 Lines: 10 I have scoured the net looking for the latest news about the Linux/MIPS project, but the latest news I can find seems to date from the beginning of last year. Is there a pointer to more recent developments, or has there been little or no progress, or has the page just not been updated? Thanks, Ryan Rafferty Read my MIPS: No new VAXES! From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de Thu Feb 6 10:48:51 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20059 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:48:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from lehr.chem.TU-Berlin.DE by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08367; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:47:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from frist@localhost) by lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00643; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:48:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:48:41 +0100 (MET) From: Frieder Streffer To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: linux-mips mailing list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 224 Lines: 12 Hi, I got here a DS3100 an would likt to participate in the linux port to it. Would you please put me to the linux-mips mailing list or tell how I can get there. my E-Mail: frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de thanx, frieder From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Feb 6 17:06:44 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22618 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:06:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20624; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:01:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (linux@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29063 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:00:50 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702061600.RAA29063@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id RAA03110; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:00:49 +0100 Subject: Re: MIPS Magnum 4000 Graphics Card? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:00:49 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9702051351.ZM18444@bristol.st.com> from "Richard Ingram" at Feb 5, 97 01:51:40 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 465 Lines: 13 Hi, > Just seen the following for sale is this the right card for a Mips R4000 > Magnum/Millennium or is it for the R3000 versions ? > > IMRB3130 MIPS RB3130 Color Board, 8 Plane Grafik Controller Someone has recently already asked that question. I asked Andy for the numbers on his Magnum GFX cards but there is nothing written on them which looks even just remotely similar. So I suppose it's a non-standard card for the Magnum 3000 series. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Feb 6 18:34:13 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24048 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:34:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from aw.bnc.net (aw.ivm.net) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23255; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:32:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (andy@newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by aw.bnc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA12647 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:34:52 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA15663; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:33:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:33:53 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199702061733.SAA15663@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: MIPS Magnum 4000 Graphics Card? In-Reply-To: <199702061600.RAA29063@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 966 Lines: 26 Hi, > > Just seen the following for sale is this the right card for a Mips R4000 > > Magnum/Millennium or is it for the R3000 versions ? > > > > IMRB3130 MIPS RB3130 Color Board, 8 Plane Grafik Controller > > Someone has recently already asked that question. I asked Andy for > the numbers on his Magnum GFX cards but there is nothing written on them > which looks even just remotely similar. So I suppose it's a non-standard > card for the Magnum 3000 series. right. So far I can remember, the Magnum 3000 (aka RC3330 or similar) had an 8bit colour graphics option. It might be the board you mentioned above, but I'm not sure. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Fri Feb 7 00:05:37 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25903 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:05:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from rachael.franken.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01190; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:03:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0vscsV-000oMwC; Fri, 7 Feb 97 00:05 MET Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0vscsL-002ObzC; Fri, 7 Feb 97 00:05 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.4/8.7.3) id WAA00874 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:43:50 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer Message-Id: <199702062143.WAA00874@alpha.franken.de> Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 In-Reply-To: <199702051435.PAA00782@kernel.panic.julia.de> from Ralf Baechle at "Feb 5, 97 03:35:41 pm" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:43:50 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 479 Lines: 13 > Yes. And with the experience I made with WNT on Olivetti I would not > even try to install it. It will just crash. hmm, either your WNT was too old or I'm just lucky. I didn't have problems with 3.51 and 4.0 beta. But I didn't do much serious work, just playing pinball:-) Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From ralf@Julia.DE Fri Feb 7 00:17:50 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26351 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:17:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01670; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:16:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA13635 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:14:26 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA09466 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:16:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199702062316.AAA09466@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:16:28 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702062143.WAA00874@alpha.franken.de> from "Thomas Bogendoerfer" at Feb 6, 97 10:43:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 517 Lines: 14 Hi, > > Yes. And with the experience I made with WNT on Olivetti I would not > > even try to install it. It will just crash. > > hmm, either your WNT was too old or I'm just lucky. I didn't have problems > with 3.51 and 4.0 beta. But I didn't do much serious work, just playing > pinball:-) I tried half a dozen versions of WNT 3.something but couldn't even install it. Someone else on this list tld me the same. Hmmm... maybe it's just that they don't support the machine running in the lores mode? Ralf From psilord@cs.wisc.edu Fri Feb 7 08:28:33 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29389 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:28:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from vger.cs.wisc.edu by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17721; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:26:49 +0100 (MET) Received: (from psilord@localhost) by vger.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA11211; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:28:29 -0600 From: Peter Keller Message-Id: <199702070728.BAA11211@vger.cs.wisc.edu> Subject: About the mips linux port To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:28:29 -0600 (CST) Cc: junkies.upl.wisc.edu@vger.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 646 Lines: 15 Hello, I'm from the Undergraduate Projects Lab at University of Wisconsin-Madison, WI. I ran across your porting linux to mips page and, since we have 4 dec5000/125's and 2 dec5000/25's and maybe some dec5000/200's and 240's I thought it might be worth us helping you out in the porting of linux. God knows, all of us here hate ultrix(except one of us who has a strange love/hate relationship with it). And, well, we need something to do with these machines. Do you think we might be able to help? Also, we might be able to sport an ftp site here for the distribution. -Peter Keller -UPL Coordinator -UW-Madison, WI -psilord@upl.cs.wisc.edu From hub-fue!alpha.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Fri Feb 7 23:13:17 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03788 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:13:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from rachael.franken.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11942; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 23:11:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0vsyXZ-000oNQC; Fri, 7 Feb 97 23:13 MET Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0vsyXS-002OcDC; Fri, 7 Feb 97 23:12 MET Received: (from tsbogend@localhost) by alpha.franken.de (8.8.4/8.7.3) id VAA01228 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:56:12 +0100 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer Message-Id: <199702072056.VAA01228@alpha.franken.de> Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 In-Reply-To: <199702062316.AAA09466@kernel.panic.julia.de> from Ralf Baechle at "Feb 7, 97 00:16:28 am" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 21:56:12 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 722 Lines: 16 > I tried half a dozen versions of WNT 3.something but couldn't even > install it. Someone else on this list tld me the same. Hmmm... maybe > it's just that they don't support the machine running in the lores mode? If lowres is 1024x768, that's the resolution I'm using. But isn't your Oli an older one with the fancy LEDs inside, which mine doesn't have ? Maybe that's the problem. But even NT runs on my Oli, it's my target to wipe it from the disk, as soon as the SCSI chip on the mainboard is supported by Linux. Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Sat Feb 8 01:19:44 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05686 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:19:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15194; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:17:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from thoma (linux@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA21967 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:19:16 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702080019.BAA21967@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id BAA06417; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:19:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Joining and MIPS Magnum 4000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:19:14 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702072056.VAA01228@alpha.franken.de> from "Thomas Bogendoerfer" at Feb 7, 97 09:56:12 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 968 Lines: 25 Hi, > > I tried half a dozen versions of WNT 3.something but couldn't even > > install it. Someone else on this list tld me the same. Hmmm... maybe > > it's just that they don't support the machine running in the lores mode? > > If lowres is 1024x768, that's the resolution I'm using. Yes, that's lowres. Easy to recognice by the extremly ugly and chunky font used for the ARC firmware. > But isn't your > Oli an older one with the fancy LEDs inside, which mine doesn't have ? > Maybe that's the problem. But even NT runs on my Oli, it's my target > to wipe it from the disk, as soon as the SCSI chip on the mainboard > is supported by Linux. I've never seen an Oily with the LEDs inside; only Magnums & Acers seem to have that and these two have have the LED stuff implemented different. On the SNI NT is running - and all I'm doing with it is copying kernels and Milo for booting to c: ... Ralf From jventer@du.edu Sat Feb 8 23:20:51 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10951 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:20:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from odin.cair.du.edu by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15528; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:19:04 +0100 (MET) Received: by odin.cair.du.edu; id AA21734; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:20:37 -0700 From: Eli Venter Message-Id: <9702082220.AA21734@odin.cair.du.edu> Subject: Subscribe to list To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 15:20:37 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 49 Lines: 5 jventer@du.edu is my e-mail thanks -Eli venter From csh@sgi.com Sat Feb 8 23:37:18 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11446 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:37:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16024; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 23:35:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA22285 for <@sgi.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr>; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:37:13 -0800 Received: from midnight (ppp-paranor.corp.sgi.com [150.166.248.114]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA19035 for ; Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:37:10 -0800 Sender: csh@sgi.com Message-Id: <32FCFFD3.794B@sgi.com> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 14:36:03 -0800 From: Christopher Stephen Hull Reply-To: csh@cardboard.mti.sgi.com Organization: Silicon Graphics X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Status of Mips Magnum3000 support? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 800 Lines: 22 Hi All, I have a mips magnum 3000, and would love to get linux up on it. I have done some kernel porting in the past and would love to be able to do some kernel work again. I was wondering what the current status of the 3000 port is and specifically for the Magnum 3000. I would also like to help with the porting effort if any is needed. Any information is helpful. Thanks, -csh -- Christopher S. Hull Silicon Graphics Performance Tools 2011 N. Shoreline Blvd. Developers Magic Group M/S 22L-174 MIPS Techonolgies Inc. Mountain View, CA 94039 Email: csh@sgi.com Phone: (415)933-7286 http://reality.sgi.com/csh Fax: (415)932-7286 From hollow@phish.nether.net Sun Feb 9 07:39:37 1997 Received: from Utopia.EUnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14752 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 07:39:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00438; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 07:37:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from scotty (root@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de [193.98.169.1]) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA31253 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:38:48 +0100 Received: from phish.nether.net (hollow@phish.nether.net [198.87.20.2]) by scotty (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA25885 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 07:41:56 +0100 Received: from localhost (hollow@localhost) by phish.nether.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA11280; Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:35:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: The Hollow One To: volkerdi@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu, dan@detached.demon.co.uk, gregh@sunsite.unc.edu, daniel.barlow@linux.org, mdw@sunsite.unc.edu, bri@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at, axel@uni-paderborn.de, faith@cs.unc.edu, util-linux@math.uio.no, nelson@crynwr.com, uc@brian.lunetix.de, quinlan@yggdrasil.com, nat@nataa.frmug.fr.net, boldt@math.ucsb.edu, lembark@wrkhors.psyber.com.waldorf-gmbh.de, kbriggs@earwax.pd.uwa.edu.au, rmcguire@freenet.columbus.oh.us, dumas@excalibur.ibp.fr, simazaki@yu-gate.yamanashi.ac.jp, jjamor@ruth.ls.fi.upm.es, donahue@tiber.nist.gov, rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu, dak@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, esr@snark.thyrsus.com, info@cdrom.com, support@cdrom.com, apm233m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au, linux-bugs@sunsite.unc.edu, mitch@Dubai.Sun.COM, ijackson@gnu.ai.mit.edu, axb@defender.dcrl.nd.edu, linux@waldorf-gmbh.de, mje@soton.ac.uk, davem@caip.rutgers.edu, gregh@cc.gatech.edu, healyzh@holonet.net, Alain.Knaff@imag.fr, jmv@receptor.mgh.harvard.edu, linux@ssc.com, Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no, pdg@primenet.com, alex@bach.cis.temple.edu Subject: serious unresolved problem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 4419 Lines: 104 -- this is really very important -- i have a huge slackware 96 problem and walnut creek has been unable to answer my questions.. im pleading to you.. perhaps you could help me ... :) ok .. i run slackware96.. and everything has been running great up until the other day.. ive installed x and dozens of apps, ive compiled loads of things and everything installed and ran just perfectly... the other day i downloaded the latest wine and ran the configure program ... it reported that gcc was unable to compile binaries.. and i thought that was strange since everything had been working fine up until now .. so i wrote a little wee tiny program and tried compiling it just to test and see if gcc really was broken... i called walnut creek and they were unable to explain .. and their support email has yet to reply to me and its been quite a while now... so here is the informatino that i have... maybe someone with a kind heart could explain this to me..... bash# file /lib/libc* /lib/libc.a: current ar archive random library /lib/libc.sa: current ar archive random library /lib/libc.so.4: symbolic link to libc.so.4.7.6 /lib/libc.so.4.7.6: Linux/i386 demand-paged executable (QMAGIC) /lib/libc.so.5: symbolic link to /lib/libc.so.5.4.17 /lib/libc.so.5.3.12: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib i386 (386 and up) Version 1 /lib/libc.so.5.4.17: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib i386 (386 and up) Version 1 /lib/libc_p.a: current ar archive random library /lib/libcom_err.so.2: symbolic link to libcom_err.so.2.0 /lib/libcom_err.so.2.0: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib i386 (386 and up) Version 1 /lib/libcurses.a: current ar archive random library /lib/libcurses.sa: current ar archive random library /lib/libcurses.so.0: symbolic link to libcurses.so.0.1.2 /lib/libcurses.so.0.1.2: Linux/i386 demand-paged executable (QMAGIC) /lib/libcurses.so.1: symbolic link to libcurses.so.1.0.0 /lib/libcurses.so.1.0.0: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib i386 (386 and up) Version 1 bash# bash# file /usr/lib/libc* /usr/lib/libc.a: current ar archive /usr/lib/libc.so: symbolic link to /lib/libc.so.5 /usr/lib/libc.so.1: symbolic link to /usr/i486-sysv4/lib/libc.so.1 /usr/lib/libcurses.a: current ar archive /usr/lib/libcurses.so: symbolic link to /lib/libcurses.so.1 bash# bash# cat temp.c #include main(){printf("It Works\n");} bash# bash# gcc -v -o temp temp.c >> tmp.txt Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2/specs gcc version 2.7.2 /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2/cpp -lang-c -v -undef -D__GNUC__=2 -D__GNUC_MINOR__=7 -D__ELF__ -Dunix -Di386 -Dlinux -D__ELF__ -D__unix__ -D__i386__ -D__linux__ -D__unix -D__i386 -D__linux -Asystem(unix) -Asystem(posix) -Acpu(i386) -Amachine(i386) -D__i486__ temp.c /tmp/ cca03329.i GNU CPP version 2.7.2 (i386 Linux/ELF) #include "..." search starts here: #include <...> search starts here: /usr/local/include /usr/i486-linux/include /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2/include /usr/include End of search list. /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2/cc1 /tmp/cca03329.i -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -quiet -dumpbase temp.c -version -o /tmp/cca03329.s GNU C version 2.7.2 (i386 Linux/ELF) compiled by GNU C version 2.7.2. /usr/i486-linux/bin/as -V -Qy -o /tmp/cca033291.o /tmp/cca03329.s GNU assembler version 960425 (i486-linux), using BFD version 2.6.0.14 /usr/i486-linux/bin/ld -m elf_i386 -dynamic-linker /lib/ld-linux.so.1 -o temp /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2 -L/usr/i486-linux/lib /tmp/cca033291.o -lgcc -lc -lgcc /usr/lib/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o /usr/lib/crt1.o: In function _start': /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x32): undefined reference to __fpu_control' /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x38): undefined reference to __setfpucw' /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x40): undefined reference to __libc_init' /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x4a): undefined reference to atexit' /usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x5d): undefined reference to exit' /tmp/cca033291.o: In function main': /tmp/cca033291.o(.text+0x9): undefined reference to printf' bash# if you could perhaps answer this and tell me how to save weeks of effort.. i would really truly very much appreciate it.. thanks .,:[hollowman]:,................................................. `:..................,:[finger hollow@nether.net for pgp key]:,..' From Steven@pmc-sierra.bc.ca Wed Feb 12 21:51:58 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:51:58 GMT Received: from procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24083; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:50:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from zephyr.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (root@zephyr.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.165.130]) by procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23055 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rogue.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (rogue.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.165.172]) by zephyr.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (8.8.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14187 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rogue (rogue.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.165.172]) by rogue.pdx.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (8.8.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17569 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:50:57 -0800 (PST) Sender: steven@pmc-sierra.bc.ca Message-Id: <33023B40.41C67EA6@PMC-Sierra.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 13:50:56 -0800 From: Steve Ringwald Organization: PMC-Sierra, Portland X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips Subject: Hello. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 468 Lines: 13 I have a MIPS box. It is a RC3300 (Magnum). If you'd like more info on it, please feel free to contact me at the below email address. Steve -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Steven Ringwald | Work: (503)520-1800 | | Software Engineer | FAX: (503)520-1700 | | steven\@pmc-sierra.com | | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://darkwing.ece.orst.edu/~ringwas/ From agrier@metro.grumblesmurf.net Fri Feb 14 08:17:09 1997 Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:17:08 GMT Received: from metro.grumblesmurf.net by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23207; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:15:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by metro.grumblesmurf.net with smtp (/\o=/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #6) id m0vvIr0-0000UkC; Fri, 14 Feb 97 00:18 PST Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:18:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Aaron J. Grier" To: linux-mips Subject: MIPS linux on DEC 3100/2100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 537 Lines: 14 please subscribe me to your mailing list. I've got probably half a dozen or so 3100s and 2100s here at Reed College which are just gathering dust at the present. :) (They were replaced with Alphas last year.) I could also pull a DECsystem 5500 out of mothballs if anybody was curious to see how linux ran on it. ---- The Finn / VLA | Aaron J. Grier | agrier@metro.grumblesmurf.net, DECBEE650DEE3A0C 1ED7F54D9E023CC4 | agrier@reed.edu, ...reed!vla!agrier "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | 0x0663D1A9 at a server near you. From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Fri Feb 14 13:39:28 1997 Received-Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:39:27 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de ([141.99.128.16]) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02795; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:37:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA17748; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:33:44 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id OAA21166 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:33:18 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702141333.OAA21166@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: MIPS linux on DEC 3100/2100 To: linux-mips Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:33:16 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Aaron J. Grier" at Feb 14, 97 00:18:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1098 Lines: 29 Hi, > I've got probably half a dozen or so 3100s and 2100s here at Reed College > which are just gathering dust at the present. :) (They were replaced > with Alphas last year.) Fine ! You can find hardware information on the 2100/3100 on ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/specs/ I currently have kind of a console driver running on the 2100/3100 that will work with monochrome and color displays as well as serial console. The 2100/ 3100 - at least the ones I have access to - obviously can't use the standard "REX" prom calls that work on the DS5000 series for console I/O. I didn't have time to put the source or a precompiled kernel on our ftp server yet, sorry. If you want to try out kernels on the DECstations, your best choice is probably booting via tftp or MOP. I do cross-development and remote booting on an old 486 Linux box that runs tftpd and bootpd - works like a charm. > I could also pull a DECsystem 5500 out of mothballs if anybody was curious > to see how linux ran on it. Oops, never heard of a 5500 ... regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From koheni@voyager.bxscience.edu Sun Feb 16 03:43:25 1997 Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 03:43:24 GMT Received: from voyager.bxscience.edu by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23539; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 04:41:31 +0100 (MET) Received: by voyager.bxscience.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15488; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:42:52 -0500 From: koheni@voyager.bxscience.edu (Izik Kohen) Message-Id: <9702160342.AA15488@voyager.bxscience.edu> To: linux-mips Subject: IRQ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 97 22:42:51 -0500 Content-Length: 343 Lines: 21 hi there. i am having a slight problem: when i type : boot 3/rz0/dec_vmlinux.2.1.1.test it looks good up to the poing: Please write the IRQ setup code for the DECStation! and then it halts. any help is appreciated. i am running this on a decstation 5000/120 w/32mb ram and booting off an ultrix partition. please help thankyou. isaac. From trobin@pacbell.net Sun Feb 16 05:07:59 1997 Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 05:07:54 GMT Received: from hupa.snfc21.pbi.net by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26179; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 06:05:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from idontknow (ppp-206-170-121-47.sndg02.pacbell.net [206.170.121.47]) by hupa.snfc21.pbi.net (8.8.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA13494; Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:07:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <33069682.7C79@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:09:23 -0800 From: TRAN-THY Reply-To: trobin@pacbell.net X-Sender: TRAN-THY (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips, pcomp@pacbell.net Subject: cmb-001, pent. 120, and 486/dx2-66: linux web server X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------3FC427E5BD40" Content-Length: 3524 Lines: 73 ------------3FC427E5BD40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have found a home. Or home page as the case may be. I recently acquired a sgi personal iris and have been kicking the idea around of starting a web server. I have spoken with various indiviuals and they feel the sgi would do a great job. Alas, I don't know jack about sgi's. x86 day and night no prob. I work for a computer store. WWW.POWER-COMP.COM. However, from just reading a little hear I have renewed faith. But am a little concerned about what I read regarding the version under development for the R3000 proc. Which is the cpu on the cmn-b001. Please send any updates as I would like to attempt an intranet setup by the summer. thank you, Terrence D. Robinson trobin@pacbell.net pcomp@pacbell.net ------------3FC427E5BD40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I have found a home. Or home page as the case may be. I recently acquired a sgi personal iris and have been kicking the idea around of starting a web server. I have spoken with various indiviuals and they feel the sgi would do a great job.
 
Alas, I don't know jack about sgi's. x86 day and night no prob. I work for a computer store. WWW.POWER-COMP.COM.
 
However, from just reading a little hear I have renewed faith. But am a little concerned about what I read regarding the version under development for the R3000 proc. Which is the cpu on the cmn-b001.
 
Please send any updates as I would like to attempt an intranet setup by the summer.
 
                                                                thank you,
                                                                    Terrence D. Robinson
                                                                       trobin@pacbell.net
                                                                       pcomp@pacbell.net  
------------3FC427E5BD40-- From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Sun Feb 16 10:57:21 1997 Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:57:21 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06464; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:55:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA24125; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:57:06 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id LAA23147 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:56:38 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702161056.LAA23147@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: IRQ To: linux-mips Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:56:36 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9702160342.AA15488@voyager.bxscience.edu> from "Izik Kohen" at Feb 15, 97 10:42:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 911 Lines: 30 Hi, > > hi there. > i am having a slight problem: > when i type : > > boot 3/rz0/dec_vmlinux.2.1.1.test > > it looks good up to the poing: > > Please write the IRQ setup code for the DECStation! > > and then it halts. > any help is appreciated. > i am running this on a decstation 5000/120 > w/32mb ram and booting off an ultrix partition. > Well, this is more or less the expected behaviour. Noone has written the IRQ setup code so far. The problem with the DS5000/120 is that we don't have any documentation on that specific system. (Paul - are you listening ? :-)) The DECstation port isn't functional yet, but you are welcome to join us if you have some programming experience. Kernel hacking is fun - sometimes :-). If you only want a working system, try NetBSD or OpenBSD - both have a fully functional port to almost all DECstation models. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From paul@suede.sw.oz.au Sun Feb 16 22:36:11 1997 Received-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 22:36:10 GMT Received: from sweeney.sw.oz.au ([203.31.96.1]) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20295; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 23:34:04 +0100 (MET) Received: by sweeney.sw.oz.au; id JAA13365; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:35:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from swallow.sw.oz.au(192.41.203.1) by sweeney.sw.oz.au via smap (3.2) id xma013363; Mon, 17 Feb 97 09:35:49 +1100 Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with ESMTP id WAA09702; Sun, 16 Feb 1997 22:35:48 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suede.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id JAA24362; Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:35:47 +1100 (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from paul for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suede.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199702162235.JAA24362@suede.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: IRQ To: linux-mips Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:35:46 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199702161056.LAA23147@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> from "Michael Engel" at Feb 16, 97 11:56:36 am Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 845 Lines: 23 Hi Folks, > > Please write the IRQ setup code for the DECStation! > > > > and then it halts. > > > Well, this is more or less the expected behaviour. Noone has written > the IRQ setup code so far. The problem with the DS5000/120 is that > we don't have any documentation on that specific system. (Paul - are > you listening ? :-)) Yep - occassionally! Work's been a bit busy... Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From davidm@fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au Wed Feb 19 09:52:50 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:52:50 GMT Received: from fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.AU by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00434; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:50:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (davidm@fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.97.193]) by fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA22076; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:52:41 +1100 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:52:41 +1100 (EST) From: David Monro Sender: davidm@fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au Reply-To: David Monro Subject: linux/mips - hardware and questions To: linux-mips Cc: davidm@fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1479 Lines: 32 Hi, I am interested in joining the Linux/MIPS project. Hardware: In a few days I expect to have a couple of Mips Magnum 3000 machines. Future aquisitions for the project may include a Magnum 4000 or two and possibly a DecStation. Other resources: Since the Mips boxen here were being used for Plan 9 development (Plan 9 is an operating system from Bell Labs) I should be able to get lots of low level information on how to bootstrap the boxes etc, although I may have to be carefull not to read code I am not meant to see :-) Now the questions: 1) I gather the Magnum 3000 can only run in big endian mode. I built my self up a cross compiler and tools for mips-linux, pulled the 2.1.14 tree off the mips area on sunsite and had a go at compiling. If i turn on experimental options, I get the option of the magnum 3000. However, when I actually try to compile it blows up with #error directives about some routines in include/asm/bitops.h not working in big endian mode. Has anyone done a fix for this yet? 2) Is the 2.1.14 from sunsite the latest? I notice it has lots more mips stuff than the 'standard' Linus-distributed 2.1.26 - I assume the standard one simply hasn't had the latest patches merged in? 3) Where do I get binutils-2.7.0.6 (which is what the last patch for binutils should be applied to)? I can only get binutils-2.7. Will the linux/MIPS targets/fixes make it back to the gnu people for the next version? That should be enough to get started :-) David From ralf@Julia.DE Wed Feb 19 14:12:55 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:12:54 GMT Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08324; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:10:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17236; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:10:32 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA10188; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:09:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199702191409.PAA10188@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: linux/mips - hardware and questions To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:09:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: davidm@fuzzbox.psrg.cs.usyd.edu.au In-Reply-To: from "David Monro" at Feb 19, 97 08:52:41 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2383 Lines: 52 Hi, > Hardware: In a few days I expect to have a couple of Mips Magnum 3000 machines. > Future aquisitions for the project may include a Magnum 4000 or two and > possibly a DecStation. > > Other resources: Since the Mips boxen here were being used for Plan 9 > development (Plan 9 is an operating system from Bell Labs) I should be able to > get lots of low level information on how to bootstrap the boxes etc, although I > may have to be carefull not to read code I am not meant to see :-) objdump -d plan9 | less ;-) > Now the questions: > 1) I gather the Magnum 3000 can only run in big endian mode. I built my self up > a cross compiler and tools for mips-linux, pulled the 2.1.14 tree off the mips > area on sunsite and had a go at compiling. If i turn on experimental options, I > get the option of the magnum 3000. However, when I actually try to compile it > blows up with #error directives about some routines in include/asm/bitops.h not > working in big endian mode. Has anyone done a fix for this yet? Well, the macros aren't really broken; they work fine for both byteorders. However they are also being used for manipulation of extern data like bitmaps in the ext2 filesystem. The Linux bitops work on arrays of 32-bit int variables and thus are byteorder dependand. This means they need to be changed to make filesystems should be exchangable. Another thing is that in the meantime e2fsck e2mkfs etc assume little endian byteorder. > 2) Is the 2.1.14 from sunsite the latest? I notice it has lots more mips stuff > than the 'standard' Linus-distributed 2.1.26 - I assume the standard one simply > hasn't had the latest patches merged in? Yes. Use the source tree from ftp.fnet.fr. > 3) Where do I get binutils-2.7.0.6 (which is what the last patch for binutils > should be applied to)? I can only get binutils-2.7. HJ Lu's source distribution of binutils 2.7.0.6 for Linux contains full Linux/MIPS support, so there is no special Linux/MIPS source tree or patches anymore for 2.7.0.6. However I've found serious problems with 2.7.0.6 - 2.7.0.9, so I urgently recommend to use 2.7.0 plus the latest patch which should be binutils-2.7.0-4.diff.gz. > Will the linux/MIPS > targets/fixes make it back to the gnu people for the next version? Yes; parts of them are already. Ralf -- 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 From sitek!exor.it!DAVOR@inet.it Wed Feb 19 16:02:12 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:02:12 GMT Received: from venere.inet.it by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11538; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:58:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from sitek.UUCP (uuwfp@localhost) by venere.inet.it (8.6.10/8.6.10) with UUCP id QAA141072 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:32:26 +0100 Received: by exor.it (UUPC/extended 1.11q); Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:26:25 EST From: Davor Kovacec Sender: "Sitek Srl - Produzioni Elettroniche" Message-Id: <330b7002.sitek@exor.it> To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:17:19 +0000 Subject: MIPS-Linux on MACK microkernel Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-Length: 388 Lines: 18 Did anybody knows where I can find Linux over a MACH microkernel ported to MIPS R30xx? Also, information about Realtime Linux extensions ported to MIPS R30xx will be usefull. Thanks. Davor Kovacec HW R&D Senior Engineer SITEK s.r.l. Via Monte Pastello 1 37057 San Giovanni Lupatoto (VR) ITALY phone: +39 45 8750404 fax: +39 45 8779023 email: davor@exor.it http://www.intesys.it/exor From ralf@Julia.DE Wed Feb 19 17:21:50 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:21:48 GMT Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13210; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:19:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20188; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:19:04 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA10418; Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:18:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199702191718.SAA10418@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: MIPS-Linux on MACK microkernel To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:18:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: DAVOR@exor.it In-Reply-To: <330b7002.sitek@exor.it> from "Davor Kovacec" at Feb 19, 97 04:17:19 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 561 Lines: 19 Hi, > Did anybody knows where I can find Linux over a MACH microkernel > ported to MIPS R30xx? Linux/MIPS runs on the bare metal. It should however be realitvly easy to do something like that based on MkLinux for Apple's PowerPCs. > Also, information about Realtime Linux extensions ported to MIPS R30xx will > be usefull. The RT extensions haven't yet been ported to Linux/MIPS. I'll do so as soon as they get merged back into the standard Linux kernel, not before. The not into the published source tree merged R3000 support is another issue. Ralf From koheni@voyager.bxscience.edu Fri Feb 21 01:57:34 1997 Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:57:33 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02819; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:55:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from scotty (root@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de [193.98.169.1]) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA15497 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:57:13 +0100 Received: from voyager.bxscience.edu (voyager.bxscience.edu [207.10.184.40]) by scotty (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA18752 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:05:52 +0100 Received: by voyager.bxscience.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15546; Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:56:54 -0500 From: koheni@voyager.bxscience.edu (Izik Kohen) Message-Id: <9702210156.AA15546@voyager.bxscience.edu> To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de Subject: DECStation Linux Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 20:56:53 -0500 Content-Length: 285 Lines: 11 hi all. i am interested if there is a decstation linux out there. this is very important, as out school owns many decstations. i can volunteer a dec or two for your tests if you wish. please reply if you can help. our hardware consists of DECStations 5000/120's. thankyou isaac. From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Fri Feb 21 08:18:29 1997 Received-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:18:29 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13360; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:16:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA27271; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:18:18 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id JAA13147 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:17:39 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702210817.JAA13147@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: DECStation Linux To: linux-mips Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:17:38 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9702210156.AA15546@voyager.bxscience.edu> from "Izik Kohen" at Feb 20, 97 08:56:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 572 Lines: 16 Hi, > > hi all. i am interested if there is a decstation > linux out there. this is very important, as out > school owns many decstations. i can volunteer a > dec or two for your tests if you wish. please > reply if you can help. our hardware consists > of DECStations 5000/120's. > The DECstation version of Linux is still being far from finished. If you like to do some kernel hacking, you are welcome to help us. The problem with the DS5000/120 is that DEC is still searching for documentation on these :-(. regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From linux@informatik.uni-koblenz.de Sun Feb 23 23:49:51 1997 Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:49:50 GMT Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07911; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:47:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from thoma (linux@thoma.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.61]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA00685; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:49:06 +0100 (MET) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199702232349.AAA00685@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by thoma (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id AAA17754; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:49:05 +0100 Subject: Re: a linux/MIPS question (fwd) To: paul@suede.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:49:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: sjt@epoch.ncsc.mil, linux-mips In-Reply-To: <199702232230.JAA14874@suede.sw.oz.au> from "Paul Antoine" at Feb 24, 97 09:30:04 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3059 Lines: 68 Hi Jeff & Paul, > sorry to bother you directly, but i'm not on the linux/MIPS mailing > list yet (by the way, is there an archive?). It's on the FTP server ftp.fnet.fr. > i'm can't figure out how the value of TLB_ROOT was derived from > TLBMAP. (both are in asm-mips/mipsconfig.h). why is TLB_ROOT offset > at all from TLBMAP? i'm having trouble walking through the TLB > exception handlers. The trick is actually simple. The generic Linux mm code assumes a two (or three - we don't use that) level tree in which the page tables are arranged. This is this what architectures like i386 or the MC68851/MC68030/MC68040/MC68060 MMUs assumes. On the other side the MIPS architecture (check the format of the c0_context register) assumes the page table information is available in a flat array. How to combine the two contradictive data structures? On 32 bit MIPS CPUs we've got an address space of 4gb which is divided up into pages of 4kb. We map a process' address table to TLBMAP. Check what happend if we access memory: 1) The CPU takes an exception because there is no mapping in the TLB. 2) The TLB exception handler will use the address from c0_context to load the data from the mm tables mapped at TLBMAP into the TLB. (This is equivalent to accessing the lowest level of the mm tree!). We don't care the least bit about accessing unmapped memory which is why we might fault once again. 3a) After return the program continues normal processing. This is the normal (fast) path. Now let's assume we get a TLB fault in step 2) above because the appropriate branch of the tree isn't mapped in the TLB. The CPU will abort step 2). 3b) We load an entry which maps the the appropriate branch in the TLBMAP area into the TLB. 3c) Now we can retry step 2) which will always success. 3d) After return the program continues normal processing. (I left out the special cases like accessing non mapped memory). In step 3b) we have to take care to avoid another special case. If we try to access the root of the mm tables mapped at TLBMAP (which happens to be mapped at TLB_ROOT) - who maps that value there? Due to the way we handle simple and recursive exceptions nobody would ever load these entries into the TLB. So we need to map a value manually there which is what entry #0 in the TLB is reserved for. If you have understood how the above processing works you will see how the 4mb pagetables array at TLBMAP is itself mapped at TLB_ROOT. That's why TLB_ROOT is (TLBMAP + (TLBMAP >> (12-2))). Note that the value of TLBMAP is choosen such that TLB_ROOT is a value that can be loaded with a single instruction into a register. Buys a cycle in the exception handlers :-) It's also important to say that the exception handling of R3000 and R4000+ is different. The above code was written with R4k in mind and also has to take care of cache handling which is a non-issue for the physical indexed R3k caches. > do you have any guidance, or do you know of someone else who could > help me? Ralf From hkoerfg1@ford.com Mon Feb 24 09:57:39 1997 Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:57:38 GMT From: hkoerfg1@ford.com Received: from internet-mail2.ford.com by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25865; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:55:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com id AB23018 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Mon, 24 Feb 1997 04:57:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199702240957.AB23018@internet-mail2.ford.com> Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 24 Feb 1997 04:57:32 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: linux-mips Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:57:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hi all Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-Length: 786 Lines: 17 Hello boys and girls, i've been watching this list for quite a while because i am interested in the progress of Linux for DECstations. I have two of those beasts at work but unfortunately it's not my job to hack linux boxes ;-). Now the good news. Recently i purchased a 5000/133 which should be scrapped. I have set up a small network at home between the DECstaion and my 586-linux-box an now everything is up and running. So if you don't mind a newbies first naive stumblings into kernel programming, i'll help as much as i can. BTW Ralf, i got the impression that you are maintaining this list. If that is correct, can you please change my e-mail adress from hkoerfgen@e-mail.com to hkoerfg1@ford.com? I'd prefer the later account. Thanks in advance. happy hacking Harald From cdemps@lsumc.edu Mon Feb 24 15:08:37 1997 Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:08:36 GMT Received: from SARAH.OCS.LSUMC.EDU by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04993; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:06:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from [155.58.112.211] by sarah.ocs.lsumc.edu (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11395) with SMTP id AAA126 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:10:26 -0600 Message-Id: <3311AF9E.786C@lsumc.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:11:26 -0600 From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles) Reply-To: cdemps@lsumc.edu Organization: Dept Pharmacology, LSUMC-S X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips Subject: Problems with cross-compile. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1285 Lines: 37 Hi, I am attempting to cross-compile a kernel for my MIPS Magnum 4000PC on a generic Pentium 133 running Slackware 3.1. What I have done so far is: 1. From / I untarred binutils-2.7-3.tar and gcc-2.7.2-3.tar. 2. I created the directory /root/MIPS. In this directory I untarred inc-4.6.27.tar, and the mips sources for linux-2.0.21.tar. 3. mv usr/include include-4.6.27 rmdir usr 4. cat include-4.6.27-2.diffs | patch -p. 5. I copied all files in include-4.6.27/ to /root/MIPS/linux-2.0.21/include/. 6. tar xvf glibc-960501.tar. I copied the libraries in usr/lib/ and /usr/lib/ to /root/MIPS/linux-2.0.21/lib/. 7. I copied the info files from usr/share/info/ into /usr/info/. I checked the install with particular attention to the symlinks. From /root/MIPS/linux-2.0.21/ I did a make config and then make dep which crapped out immediately. This may be the understatement of the year, but I don't think I've installed my cross-compiler correctly. I tried this on an i386 with RedHat 4.0, I changed the kernel sources to 2.1.14, I even moved the kernel to /usr/src/linux. No matter what, make dep immediately runs into trouble. Obviously I'm doing something wrong and/or I missed a step. Any and all suggestions as to how to get going are welcome. Thanks, Charles From ralf@Julia.DE Mon Feb 24 16:11:38 1997 Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:11:37 GMT Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07105; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:09:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00911; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:00:47 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21158; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:00:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199702241600.RAA21158@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Problems with cross-compile. To: linux-mips Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:00:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: cdemps@lsumc.edu In-Reply-To: <3311AF9E.786C@lsumc.edu> from "Dempsey, Charles" at Feb 24, 97 09:11:26 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1584 Lines: 49 Hi, > I am attempting to cross-compile a kernel for my MIPS Magnum 4000PC on a > generic Pentium 133 running Slackware 3.1. What I have done so far is: > > 1. From / I untarred binutils-2.7-3.tar and gcc-2.7.2-3.tar. > > 2. I created the directory /root/MIPS. In this directory I untarred > inc-4.6.27.tar, and the mips sources for linux-2.0.21.tar. Should be /tftpboot/, not /root/MIPS where is your Magnum's IP address. > 3. mv usr/include include-4.6.27 > rmdir usr > > 4. cat include-4.6.27-2.diffs | patch -p. > > 5. I copied all files in include-4.6.27/ to libc 4.6.27 is *absolutely* unusable today. rm -rf and nothing else. Use libc-961216. > /root/MIPS/linux-2.0.21/include/. > > 6. tar xvf glibc-960501.tar. I copied the libraries in usr/lib/ and > /usr/lib/ to /root/MIPS/linux-2.0.21/lib/. They should all go to /usr/mipsel-linux/lib/ - and nowhere else. > 7. I copied the info files from usr/share/info/ into /usr/info/. Ok. > I checked the install with particular attention to the symlinks. From > /root/MIPS/linux-2.0.21/ I did a make config and then make dep which > crapped out immediately. This may be the understatement of the year, but > I don't think I've installed my cross-compiler correctly. What error messages exactly? > I tried this on an i386 with RedHat 4.0, I changed the kernel sources to > 2.1.14, I even moved the kernel to /usr/src/linux. No matter what, make > dep immediately runs into trouble. The kernel should build where ever you install it. But without error messages I can't help you. Ralf From ralf@Julia.DE Mon Feb 24 16:14:45 1997 Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:14:45 GMT Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07232; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:12:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01064; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:10:53 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21171; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:10:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199702241610.RAA21171@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Hi all To: linux-mips Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 17:10:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: hkoerfg1@ford.com In-Reply-To: <199702240957.AB23018@internet-mail2.ford.com> from "hkoerfg1@ford.com" at Feb 24, 97 10:57:36 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 25 Hi, > i've been watching this list for quite a while because i am > interested in the progress of Linux for DECstations. I have two of > those beasts at work but unfortunately it's not my job to hack linux boxes ;-). > > Now the good news. Recently i purchased a 5000/133 which should be > scrapped. I have set up a small network at home between the DECstaion > and my 586-linux-box an now everything is up and running. So if you don't mind a newbies first naive stumblings into > kernel programming, i'll help as much as i can. For all the DECstation stuff best contact Paul Antoine (paul@suite.sw.oz.au). > BTW Ralf, i got the impression that you are maintaining this list. Well, a bit. I just have the admin passwort but can't do anything in case of real trouble. > If that is correct, can you please change my e-mail adress from hkoerfgen@e-mail.com to > hkoerfg1@ford.com? I'd prefer the later account. Thanks in advance. Luc, could you handle that? The list software still fails to unsubscribe people. Ralf From psilord@vger.cs.wisc.edu Tue Feb 25 02:56:55 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:56:55 GMT Received: from vger.cs.wisc.edu by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20944; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 03:54:51 +0100 (MET) Received: (from psilord@localhost) by vger.cs.wisc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA00464; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:56:51 -0600 (CST) From: Peter Keller Message-Id: <199702250256.UAA00464@vger.cs.wisc.edu> Subject: interrupt code To: linux-mips Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:56:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: upl-mips@vger.cs.wisc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 583 Lines: 13 Hello all, We would like to know the current status of the IRQ code for the DEC 5000/125. How close is it to being completed? Also, if anyone out there has worked on the console code for the said machine, I'd much appreciate a response as that's what we'd like to work on. So the sharing of knowledge can be a good thing. Also, has anyone looked around in the NetBSD code for information about the hardware, I've looked around in there. You'd be surprised about the knowledge in there. Also, there are references to DEC manuals that were used to create the code. Thanks. -pete From fll@dsbdata.dsb.dk Tue Feb 25 07:17:32 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:17:32 GMT Received: from gw.dsb.dk ([130.227.254.130]) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29381; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:15:27 +0100 (MET) Received: by gw.dsb.dk; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA16694; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:17:28 +0100 Received: from epmb.dsb.dk by gw (smtpxd); id XA16697 Received: from fll.dsb.dk by epmb.dsb.dk; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/12Sep96-1236PM) id AA03867; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:17:27 +0100 Message-Id: <9702250717.AA03867@epmb.dsb.dk> From: "Flemming Laugaard" To: Subject: DECsystem 500/260 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:17:54 +0100 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Length: 600 Lines: 8 SGkgdGhlcmUNCg0KSSBoYXZlIGEgREVDIHN5c3RlbSA1MDAwLzI2MCBydW5uaW5nIFVsdHJpeCA0 LjQsIGJ1dCBMaW51eCBpcyBhIG11Y2ggbW9yZSBhdHRyYWN0aXZlIGFsdGVybmF0aXZlIDotKSAN CkRvIHlvdSBrbm93IGlmIGFueW9uZSBoYXZlIHRyaWVkIHRvIGdldCBMaW51eCB1cCBhbmQgcnVu bmluZyBvbiBhIERFQyBzeXN0ZW0gYm94PyBUaGVyZSBpcyBvZiBjb3Vyc2Ugbm8gZmxvcHB5IGRy aXZlLCBhbmQgbm8gZ3JmeCBhZGFwdGVyLg0KSSBhbSB3aWxsaW5nIHRvIGRvIGFsb3Qgb2YgZXhw ZXJpbWVudGluZyB0byBnZXQgaXQgdXAuDQpUaGUgY29uZmlndXJhdGlvbiBpczoNCjEgR2Igc2Nz aSANCkNEIHJvbSANCjk2IE1iIFJBTQ0KdGVybWluYWwgDQoNCktpbmQgcmVnYXJkcw0KRmxlbW1t aW5nIExhdWdhYXJkDQpEU0IgZGF0YSAoZmxsQGRzYmRhdGEuZHNiLmRrKQ== From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Tue Feb 25 07:53:24 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:53:22 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00301; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:51:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA12562; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:53:06 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id IAA27906 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:52:16 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702250752.IAA27906@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: interrupt code To: linux-mips Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:52:15 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702250723.AA05442@internet-mail2.ford.com> from "hkoerfg1@ford.com" at Feb 25, 97 08:23:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2614 Lines: 59 Hi, > > We would like to know the current status of the IRQ code for the > >DEC 5000/125. How close is it to being completed? I have a timer interrupt working on my DS5000/200 and will (hopefully) soon have it running on the 2100/3100. IIRC, the dispatching of the several interrupt sources (they all jump to the same address) still makes some problems. > >Also, if anyone out > >there has worked on the console code for the said machine, I'd much > >appreciate a response as that's what we'd like to work on. Basically, the REX routines should work for you - at least they work for my DS5000/120 here. This may, however, not work related to PROM revision level differences. I have a console driver that works on the 2100/3100 and _should_ work on a standard CX graphics board (haven't tried yet). For the DS5000/1xx, one should only have to adapt the serial driver code for the Z8530 that the 5000/1xx uses (instead of the DZ11 chip in the other DECstations). I have the Zilog data book for the Z8530 here, but haven't yet searched for the I/O addresses of the 8530 [and I'm afraid the keyboard port on my 5000/120 is not working :-( - well, I got it for free :-)] > >So the > >sharing of knowledge can be a good thing. Also, has anyone looked > >around in the NetBSD code for information about the hardware, I've > >looked around in there. You'd be surprised about the knowledge in > >there. Yes ... and also by the chaos and badly documented code in NetBSD :-( ... Three other sources of information that may be relevant are - Sprite by John Ousterhout (Berkeley) from ftp.cs.berkeley.edu - Mach3 - Xinu/DECstation (runs only on 3100 (maybe 2100, too) with serial console) > >Also, there are references to DEC manuals that were used to > >create the code. Yeah ... John "Maddog" Hall is still working on getting the documentation - any news on that, Paul (I'm afraid not :-() ? DEC sometimes seems to have lots of trouble finding their own documentation. > That is exactly the point, where i'd like to start. As far as i can see > the NetBSD Sources are the only source of information available yet, > at least for kmins and maxines. I know this can be more difficult > than starting from scratch, but why don't we use it, is there > something i am missing? Nope, try it. We may not reuse code from NetBSD because of some silly copyright restrictions (but we could always use code from OpenBSD or 4.4BSD Lite, I think). If you find out information on the 5000/1xx and Maxine (a list of I/O adresses etc.), that'd be great ! regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From hkoerfg1@ford.com Tue Feb 25 07:23:33 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:23:32 GMT From: hkoerfg1@ford.com Received: from internet-mail2.ford.com by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29476; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:21:28 +0100 (MET) Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com id AA05442 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:23:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199702250723.AA05442@internet-mail2.ford.com> Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:23:27 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: linux-mips Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:23:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: interrupt code Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-Length: 903 Lines: 20 >Hello all, > We would like to know the current status of the IRQ code for the >DEC 5000/125. How close is it to being completed? Also, if anyone out >there has worked on the console code for the said machine, I'd much >appreciate a response as that's what we'd like to work on. So the >sharing of knowledge can be a good thing. Also, has anyone looked >around in the NetBSD code for information about the hardware, I've >looked around in there. You'd be surprised about the knowledge in >there. Also, there are references to DEC manuals that were used to >create the code. That is exactly the point, where i'd like to start. As far as i can see the NetBSD Sources are the only source of information available yet, at least for kmins and maxines. I know this can be more difficult than starting from scratch, but why don't we use it, is there something i am missing? >Thanks. -pete -- Harald From frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de Tue Feb 25 08:40:11 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:40:10 GMT Received: from lehr.chem.TU-Berlin.DE by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01576; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:38:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from frist@localhost) by lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA17122; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:40:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:40:06 +0100 (MET) From: Frieder Streffer To: linux-mips Subject: linux-mips mailing-list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 248 Lines: 14 Hi, on Feb. 6th Ralf mailed me that he put me on the mailing-list for linux-mips, but probably with a wrong e-mail adress because I recieved no e-mail on this subject since then. So my email is: frist@lehr.chem.tu-berlin.de thanx frieder From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Tue Feb 25 11:27:03 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:27:02 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08219; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:24:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA15655; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:26:48 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id MAA29018 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:25:57 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702251125.MAA29018@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: DECstation I/O adresses To: linux-mips Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:25:55 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702251112.AA12692@internet-mail2.ford.com> from "hkoerfg1@ford.com" at Feb 25, 97 12:12:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 727 Lines: 20 > > Nope, try it. We may not reuse code from NetBSD because of some silly > > copyright restrictions (but we could always use code from OpenBSD or > > 4.4BSD Lite, I think). If you find out information on the 5000/1xx and > > Maxine (a list of I/O adresses etc.), that'd be great ! > > Is tomorrow ok? ;-) Yes, fine :-) > A list of I/O adresses should not be that much of a problem, DMA > transfers are another story. Anyway, if you are interested, i'll > prepare a list from the NetBSD sources. The DECstations don't use DMA, IIRC ... the SCSI and Ethernet controller have their own little buffer RAM areas, the R3000 is responsible for all memory transfers ... regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From hkoerfg1@ford.com Tue Feb 25 11:12:42 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:12:41 GMT From: hkoerfg1@ford.com Received: from internet-mail2.ford.com by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07759; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:10:36 +0100 (MET) Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com id AA12692 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Tue, 25 Feb 1997 06:12:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199702251112.AA12692@internet-mail2.ford.com> Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 25 Feb 1997 06:12:34 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: linux-mips Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:12:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: DECstation I/O adresses Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-Length: 869 Lines: 22 >> That is exactly the point, where i'd like to start. As far as i can >> see the NetBSD Sources are the only source of information available >> yet, at least for kmins and maxines. I know this can be more >> difficult than starting from scratch, but why don't we use it, is >> there something i am missing? > Nope, try it. We may not reuse code from NetBSD because of some silly > copyright restrictions (but we could always use code from OpenBSD or > 4.4BSD Lite, I think). If you find out information on the 5000/1xx and > Maxine (a list of I/O adresses etc.), that'd be great ! Is tomorrow ok? ;-) A list of I/O adresses should not be that much of a problem, DMA transfers are another story. Anyway, if you are interested, i'll prepare a list from the NetBSD sources. > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) -- regards, Harald Koerfgen From honza@ied.com Wed Feb 26 04:01:47 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:01:47 GMT Received: from enrico.ied.com (miranda.uwaterloo.ca) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11974; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:59:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from ann.ied.com (ann.ied.com [192.168.200.20]) by enrico.ied.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12564 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:01:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:01:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jan Vicherek To: linux-mips Subject: Can I help ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 644 Lines: 18 Hi. I might have a way to get some older SGI HW to work with. I would like to see Linux on it. In what stage Linux for SGIs is, and how can I help ? This HW is such that it is only able to run Irix 5.6 (or is it 5.3?). Where can I find more info ? Thanx, Jan -- Gospel of Jesus is the saving power of God for all who believe -- Jan Vicherek ## To some, nothing is impossible. ## www.ied.com/~honza >>> Free Software Union President ... www.fslu.org <<< Interactive Electronic Design Inc. -#- PGP: finger honza@ied.com - - - - I wonder whether Jesus had available Unix drivers - - - - From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Wed Feb 26 09:07:55 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:07:54 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26001; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:05:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA28191; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:45:33 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id JAA12948 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:44:41 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702260844.JAA12948@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: Can I help ? To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:44:40 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Jan Vicherek" at Feb 25, 97 11:01:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1167 Lines: 28 Hi, > I might have a way to get some older SGI HW to work with. I would like > to see Linux on it. In what stage Linux for SGIs is, and how can I help ? > This HW is such that it is only able to run Irix 5.6 (or is it 5.3?). 5.3 is the latest Iris 5.x release. I also have two SGI machines here, a Personal Iris 4D25 and an Indigo R3000. > Where can I find more info ? I contacted Dave Patterson (sp?) last week, he is a member of the Plan9 team at Bell Labs. They have ported Plan9 to R3000 Indigo and some big SGI gear (4D2xx something). He told me that someone from SGI has helped them porting and that I should contact him for more info. Unfortunately, I lost his reply due to a harddisk failure :-(, I'll have to ask him again ... We have a description somewhere how to netboot a SGI machine (had to do it in order to install Irix - the PI 4D25 didn't like our CD-ROM), that may be of help for you. The SGI's are strictly big-endian and (except for the graphics boards, of course) have mostly standard hardware - WD33C93 SCSI controller, Lance 7990 ethernet, Dallas RTC, Z8530 SIOs ... regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Wed Feb 26 09:14:15 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:14:15 GMT Received: from si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26362; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:12:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de by si-nic.hrz.uni-siegen.de with SMTP (5.67b/UniSiegen 1.1) id AA28293; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:14:02 +0100 Received: (from engel@localhost) by vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Mailhost) id KAA13130 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:13:10 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Engel Message-Id: <199702260913.KAA13130@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Subject: Re: DECstation I/O adresses To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:13:09 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702260849.AA25355@internet-mail2.ford.com> from "hkoerfg1@ford.com" at Feb 26, 97 09:49:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 600 Lines: 16 Hi, > > Michael, i'm afraid that is not fully correct. AFAIK all Turbochannel > DECstations except the 5000/200 have an IO-ASIC on board which > supports DMA-Channels for the SCSI, Ethernet and even the serial > ports. These machines have no RAM buffers. But remember, this is > second if not third hand information, so take it with a grain of > salt. > Arrgh - you got me ! :-) As I only have documentation on the 5000/200 and 3100 I concluded it must be the same for the rest of the DECstation line. Never trust a DEC engineer ;-). regards, Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) From hkoerfg1@ford.com Wed Feb 26 08:49:25 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:49:25 GMT From: hkoerfg1@ford.com Received: from internet-mail2.ford.com by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25379; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:47:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com id AA25355 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Wed, 26 Feb 1997 03:49:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199702260849.AA25355@internet-mail2.ford.com> Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Wed, 26 Feb 1997 03:49:20 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:49:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DECstation I/O adresses Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 25 Hi all, [snip] > > > A list of I/O adresses should not be that much of a problem, DMA > > transfers are another story. Anyway, if you are interested, i'll > > prepare a list from the NetBSD sources. > > The DECstations don't use DMA, IIRC ... the SCSI and Ethernet controller > have their own little buffer RAM areas, the R3000 is responsible for all > memory transfers ... > Michael, i'm afraid that is not fully correct. AFAIK all Turbochannel DECstations except the 5000/200 have an IO-ASIC on board which supports DMA-Channels for the SCSI, Ethernet and even the serial ports. These machines have no RAM buffers. But remember, this is second if not third hand information, so take it with a grain of salt. > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) -- regards, Harald. From ralf@Julia.DE Wed Feb 26 14:04:40 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:04:40 GMT Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07352; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:02:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12064 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:00:56 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA25129 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:01:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199702261401.PAA25129@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: DECstation I/O adresses To: linux-mips Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:01:00 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199702260849.AA25355@internet-mail2.ford.com> from "hkoerfg1@ford.com" at Feb 26, 97 09:49:23 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 537 Lines: 14 Hi, > Michael, i'm afraid that is not fully correct. AFAIK all Turbochannel > DECstations except the 5000/200 have an IO-ASIC on board which > supports DMA-Channels for the SCSI, Ethernet and even the serial > ports. These machines have no RAM buffers. But remember, this is > second if not third hand information, so take it with a grain of > salt. In case of doubt take a look at the motherboard. The extra RAM for the DMA buffer should be easy to recognize. This concept is also being used in the Desktstation Tyne. Ralf From alp@gambit.msk.su Wed Feb 26 14:17:18 1997 Received-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:17:18 GMT Received: from relay1.telekom.ru by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07691; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:15:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from oxford.gambit.msk.su by relay1.telekom.ru (8.7.3/1.34) id RAA01950; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:15:13 +0300 (MSK) Received: from dublin.gambit.msk.su by oxford.gambit.msk.su (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00877; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:17:06 +0300 Received: by dublin.gambit.msk.su (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15162; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:17:25 +0300 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:17:25 +0300 From: alp@gambit.msk.su (Alexey Panteleev) Message-Id: <9702261417.AA15162@dublin.gambit.msk.su> To: linux-mips Subject: remove Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: rJWN4Cx0gAWXjQGjhm79Hg== Content-Length: 40 Lines: 2 plz, remove me from the mailing list ! From hkoerfg1@ford.com Thu Feb 27 11:21:45 1997 Received-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:21:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from internet-mail2.ford.com by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/EUNET-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08674; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:19:37 +0100 (MET) Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com id AB17179 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for linux-mips@fnet.fr); Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:21:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199702271021.AB17179@internet-mail2.ford.com> Received: by internet-mail2.ford.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:21:31 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Harald Koerfgen" Organization: Ford Motor Company To: linux-mips Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:21:33 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Test, DO NOT READ THIS Reply-To: hkoerfg1@ford.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Content-Length: 1140 Lines: 38 Hi, i said: DO NOT READ THIS!!! This is just a test, to see what's going on. Recently i wrote: > ... can you please change my e-mail adress from > hkoerfgen@e-mail.com to hkoerfg1@ford.com? The next step was a mail to linux-mips-request@fnet.fr with the subject "subscribe hkoerfg1@ford.com" and the answer was: > From: linux-mips-request@fnet.fr > To: hkoerfg1@dttws020.merkenich.ford.com > Subject: Re: subscribe hkoerfg1@ford.com > You have added to the subscriber list of: > linux-mips@fnet.fr > the following mail address: > hkoerfg1@ford.com So far, so good. Then i send a message with "unsubscribe hkoerfgen@e-mail.com". Answer: > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:31:32 +0100 (MET) > From: linux-mips-request@fnet.fr > To: hkoerfgen@e-mail.com > Subject: Re: unsubscribe hkoerfgen@e-mail.com > > You have not been removed, I couldn't find your name on the list. Now i wonder, where this message is going to. -- regards, Harald From hscherre@cisco.com Fri Feb 28 13:09:01 1997 Received-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:09:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from munich.cisco.com by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/EUNET-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19440; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:06:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from germany-sales-hscherre.cisco.com (fra-dhcp42.cisco.com [171.68.130.191]) by munich.cisco.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA04162 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:08:42 GMT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970228130816.0108f7a4@munich.cisco.com> X-Sender: hscherre@munich.cisco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:08:16 +0000 To: linux-mips From: Holger Scherrer Subject: Where to get Linux on MIPS Content-Length: 1027 Lines: 28 Hi folks, I have a DECstation 5000/200 running Ultrix at the moment. I have heard that a Linux version is available for those MIPS-based boxes. Where can I get a copy of MIPS-LINUX (preferably an US site)? Are there any specific mailing lists available dealing with only the MIPS versions? Thanks in advance for any information. ciao, Holger || || || || |||| |||| ..:||||||:..:||||||:.. ------------------------ C i s c o S y s t e m s Holger Scherrer E-Mail: hscherre@cisco.com Systems Engineer Phone: +49-6196-479-671 Cisco Systems GmbH Fax: +49-6196-479-777 Industriestr. 28-34 GSM: +49-171-6328886 D-65760 Eschborn HomeOffice: +49-6108-991806 =20 ... nicht vergessen: Das n=E4chste Spiel ist immer das schwerste. From paul@suede.sw.oz.au Tue Mar 4 01:00:55 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:00:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/EUNET-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20142; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:58:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with ESMTP id XAA08623; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:59:48 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suede.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id KAA15559; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:59:47 +1100 (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from paul for linux-mips@fnet.fr) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by suede.sw.oz.au with SMTP id BAA18015; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:02:17 +1100 (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from mwei@nortel.ca for ) Received: from swallow.sw.oz.au by suite.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA12935; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:02:14 +1100 (5.65c/1.34) (from mwei@nortel.ca for paul@suede.sw.oz.au) Received: from nortel.ca via smtp by swallow.sw.oz.au with MHSnet id OAA11880; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:02:13 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from mwei@nortel.ca for paul@suite.sw.oz.au) Message-Id: <199702281402.OAA11880@swallow.sw.oz.au> Received: from mailgate.nortel.ca. by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU.; Sat, 01 Mar 1997 01:02:07 +1100 X-Claimed-Received: from bcarsde4.localhost Received: from bcarsfba.ott.bnr.ca by bcarsde4.localhost; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:54:53 -0500 Received: from bnr.ca by bcarsfba.bnr.ca id <02528-0@bcarsfba.bnr.ca>; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:36:53 -0500 Date: 28 Feb 1997 08:36 EST Sender: paul@suede.sw.oz.au To: mjc@suite.sw.oz.au Cc: guava@suite.sw.oz.au, paul@suite.sw.oz.au, jp@northpoint.com, "Julian Craddock" From: "Min Wei" Subject: re:Re: Re: Please try Guava Beta 6 Content-Length: 4510 Lines: 99 >From your email, just make me wonder what's Guava portability story. I assume you guys are doing to do a Window NT version as well. How do Guava hide the differnece among NT and Solaris? Could you put command line option for Guava? So a user could specify whether he wants a LWP per thread or not. In some cases (lots of I/O done by a Java thread), a user may want a LWP/thread. When Guava embedded in native apps, how do we handle per thread data? Is OS exception per thread as well? Thanks, --min In message "Re: Re: Please try Guava Beta 6", mjc@suite.sw.oz.au writes: >Dear Min, > >> Thanks, Michael. Solaris is a bit strange in this case. But as a Java = >> programmer one does not see it's a Solaris problem but rather a VM = >> problem. In fact, why don't you create the first thread on VM startup >> and use it or keep it somewhere? I know it's hack but I thought you = >> guys are hackers anyway :-). So users would always have Solaris threads ass= >> ociated with their own LWPs respectively. Users don't need to hack = >> the Java code if they use a real threading VM! >> >> As for some real applications (e.g. Math computation), threads would = >> not call yield or I/O stuff, i.e. never reach any context switching = >> point. = > >In fact we do create a new thread before the Java "main" function is run. >It's actually non-trivial to get Solaris to behave the way you might >expect it to. It is possible to create a new LWP for each thread, but this >causes other problems for highly threaded applications. > >Peter Chubb looked at the threading code yesterday after seeing your mail >and has made some changes to our threading code so that your example program >behaves in a more sensible way. These changes will be incorporated into our >next release (unless you really want a package made up now). His changes >don't solve the general problem, though, which is simply that Solaris threads >don't always behave in the way you expect. > >I'd like to point out that Guava conforms to the JVM specification as far >as threads are concerned. The people at Sun who specified Java left the >choice of a threading model up to implementations. This decision has not >been met with universal praise, but it's something Java programmers just >have to put up with. > >> Since we don't have any docs on native API, I wonder if you could = >> answer some of my questions: = >> >> 1. How different is from JDK1.1 native API? Especially the = >> Object model? = > >JDK 1.1 is backwards compatible - in other words "well written" JDK 1.0.2 >programs should work with JDK 1.1. The definition of "well written" is a >bit fuzzy, but essentially any programs that were written to conform with >the API without relying on the particular implementation of the JVM should >work with 1.1. > >There are no explicit changes to the JVM in 1.1 (e.g. classfiles are >unchanged, no new bytecodes). However, 1.1 does provide more classes in >the core Java class library (including introspection and reflection, for >example). > >> 2. Could Guava be embedded in other apps. (e.g. implemented in C) > >Yes, Guava could be embedded in other apps - it's simply a matter of defining >an API and linking Guava into a library instead of an executable. This is >certainly possible, but we haven't done it at the moment because we've had >very few requests for it. > >> 3. Any GC hooks for native code? = > >Yes. Guava has a different native interface than the JDK, but we have >documentation in the form of manual pages for the functions and a tutorial >on writing native methods. We are not ready to generally release these >documents yet, but if you are interested we can probably arrange something. > >> 4. Any way to make a Java object(e.g. a byte array) fixed in >> memory (i.e. not allowed to move by the GC)? = > >Our GC is a mark-sweep GC, and currently doesn't compact, so the issue is >somewhat moot (i.e. objects are never moved anyway). However, the answer to >your question is yes - it is possible to do this using a native method with >the current version of Guava. > >Regards, >Michael. > >-- >The imp squinted for a moment. | Michael Cahill >`Yep,' it said. `That's handwriting, | http://www.softway.com.au/~mjc >sure enough. Curly bits, spiky bits, | Softway Pty Ltd, PO Box 305, >all joined together. Yep. Handwriting. | Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia >I'd recognize it anywhere.' | Tel +61 2 9698 2322 Fax +61 2 9699 9174 > From paul@suede.sw.oz.au Tue Mar 4 01:00:39 1997 Received-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:00:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by Utopia.EUnet.fr (5.65c8d/EUNET-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20138; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:57:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from suede.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with ESMTP id XAA08615; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:59:42 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suede.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suede.sw.oz.au id KAA15547; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:59:42 +1100 (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from paul for linux-mips@fnet.fr) Received: from swallow.sw.oz.au by suede.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AAA17979; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:53:20 +1100 (SMI-8.6/1.34) (from k.maftoum@student.canberra.edu.au for ) Received: from student.canberra.edu.au via staff.cs.su.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with MHSnet id NAA11738; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:53:19 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from k.maftoum@student.canberra.edu.au for paul) Received: from student.canberra.edu.au. by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU.; Sat, 01 Mar 1997 00:53:12 +1100 Received: from by student.canberra.edu.au (8.7.5/8.7.5) id AAA29153; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:53:11 +1100 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:53:11 +1100 (EDT) From: "Maftoum / Karl Joseph (ISE)" To: paul@suede.sw.oz.au Subject: VAXlinux and Linux/MIPS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: paul@suede.sw.oz.au Content-Length: 1017 Lines: 32 Hi Paul, Myself and Chris Nott are the port maintainers of the Linux/VAX port. I thought I may send you a quick mail to discuss whether you are aware of any similarities between the DECstations and the VAXstations... Saves us re-inventing the wheel... We too have run into the wall called lack of documentation, and a lot of work has come from the NetBSD and 4.4BSD implemtations. Specifically, I have heard the consoles are very similar, do you know of where I can get some documentation? i.e. NetBSD only support serial consoles... (easy.. uses protected registers). and the ROM routines only work in physical mode. The only vague implemtation I have is from 4.4BSD , with the Q-BUS console that looks roughly similar.. Hopefully we'll be able to assist each other in the ports! Cheers Karl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Karl Maftoum Computer Engineering Student at the University of Canberra, Australia Email: k.maftoum@student.canberra.edu.au