From pixelpub@remus.ultranet.com Fri Aug 2 04:07:22 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA07153 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 04:07:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from perseus.ultra.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13900; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 04:07:05 +0200 (MET) Received: from 146.115.33.226 (d226.mbo.ma.ultra.net [146.115.33.226]) by perseus.ultra.net (8.7.4/dae0.6) with SMTP id WAA17834 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <32008B9C.761E@ultranet.com> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 22:06:00 +1117 From: Cindy Cerulo X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Hello X-Url: http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html#first Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 145 Lines: 3 Hello, I am Cooper Cerulo and I was just wondering what the acronym MIPS means? If you could tell me I would greatly appriciate it! Thank You. From NQBW56A@prodigy.com Thu Aug 1 17:12:47 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04343 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:12:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28045; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:12:24 +0200 (MET) Received: from mime3.prodigy.com ([192.168.253.27]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA08238 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:45:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id KAA20568 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:42:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199608011442.KAA20568@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: NQBW56A@prodigy.com (KING TONY HAWK) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:42:15 -0500 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: What does MIPS stand for? Content-Length: 207 Lines: 6 Hey, My name is Ben and I wanted to know what MIPS stands for? E-Mail me at NQBW56A@PRODIGY.COM. Thanx, Ben Botelho From kglueck@siggy.tamu.edu Fri Aug 2 01:53:52 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05448 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:53:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from siggy.tamu.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10771; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:53:36 +0200 (MET) Received: (from kglueck@localhost) by siggy.tamu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) id SAA01499 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:53:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Glueck Message-Id: <199608012353.SAA01499@siggy.tamu.edu> Subject: [Req] info on mips/linux mailing list To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:53:46 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: kglueck@viz.tamu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 226 Lines: 5 see subject -- Kevin Glueck Junior System Administrator kglueck@viz.tamu.edu Langford C-416D 409-845-3465 Visualization Lab Texas A&M University From imp@rover.village.org Fri Aug 2 04:12:12 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA07200 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 04:12:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14016; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 04:11:51 +0200 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.7.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA29949 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199608020212.UAA29949@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 01 Aug 1996 22:06:00 +1117 Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 20:12:02 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 217 Lines: 6 : X-Url: http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html#first Yow! Guess I had better update those pages to the latest version! Looks like there is a link from mips.com that I didn't know about... Warner From ralf@Julia.DE Fri Aug 2 11:14:02 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07910 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:14:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27384; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:13:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA31011; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:14:54 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02923; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:15:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199608020915.LAA02923@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Hello To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:15:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pixelpub@ultranet.com In-Reply-To: <32008B9C.761E@ultranet.com> from "Cindy Cerulo" at Aug 1, 96 10:06:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 211 Lines: 10 > Hello, I am Cooper Cerulo and I was just wondering what the acronym > MIPS means? If you could tell me I would greatly appriciate it! Thank > You. Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages Ralf From dm@neteng.engr.sgi.com Fri Aug 2 12:31:34 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08071 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:31:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29625; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:31:16 +0200 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id DAA13194; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 03:31:24 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (neteng.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id CAA28869; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 02:18:16 -0700 Received: (from dm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id CAA01074; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 02:18:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 02:18:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199608020918.CAA01074@neteng.engr.sgi.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: pixelpub@ultranet.com In-Reply-To: <199608020915.LAA02923@kernel.panic.julia.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:15:28 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: dm@sgi.com Content-Length: 579 Lines: 25 From: Ralf Baechle Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:15:28 +0200 (MET DST) > Hello, I am Cooper Cerulo and I was just wondering what the acronym > MIPS means? If you could tell me I would greatly appriciate it! Thank > You. Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages Or on the lighter side of things: Monkey Instructions for Primates in Silicon (That is in my .plan here at SGI, they have a sense of humor ;-) dm@engr.sgi.com 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -Linus From ralf@Julia.DE Fri Aug 2 13:50:00 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08245 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:49:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02038; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:49:42 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02884 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:51:13 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03035 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:51:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199608021151.NAA03035@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Hello To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:51:46 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608020212.UAA29949@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 1, 96 08:12:02 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 332 Lines: 9 > : X-Url: http://www.village.org/villagers/imp/linux-mips-faq.html#first > > Yow! Guess I had better update those pages to the latest version! > Looks like there is a link from mips.com that I didn't know about... Try to find references to Linux/MIPS on Alta Vista. The number and location of references is incredible. Ralf From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Fri Aug 2 15:22:00 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08446 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:22:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA05129; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:21:44 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/96.04.09/louis-blanc); id PAA01868; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:21:57 +0200 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id PAA21642; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:21:20 +0200 Message-Id: <199608021321.PAA21642@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 Aug 1996 13:51:46 +0200." <199608021151.NAA03035@kernel.panic.julia.de> X-It: bandsept (wrong OS, but right CPU) X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 15:21:12 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 402 Lines: 10 >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Baechle writes: Ralf> Try to find references to Linux/MIPS on Alta Vista. The number Ralf> and location of references is incredible. Yep, kernel sources available by HTTP make a lot of references !! It seems also that there is a lot of mirror of fnet's official pages, maintened by our dear Ralf. Stoned. PS/ Watch for the Hurd ! Sorry I just couldn't resist :) From dm@neteng.engr.sgi.com Fri Aug 2 15:30:07 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08494 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:30:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA05250; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:29:47 +0200 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA13357 for <@sgi.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr>; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:29:50 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (neteng.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id GAA15736 for <@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr>; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:29:50 -0700 Received: (from dm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id GAA12122; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:29:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 06:29:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199608021329.GAA12122@neteng.engr.sgi.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199608021321.PAA21642@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> (message from Stoned Elipot on Fri, 02 Aug 1996 15:21:12 +0200) Subject: Re: Hello Reply-To: dm@sgi.com Content-Length: 471 Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 02 Aug 1996 15:21:12 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot PS/ Watch for the Hurd ! Sorry I just couldn't resist :) Don't laugh, I was on a Hurd box today. I fired up vi and it went bezerk and vi crashed dumped core soon after, emacs worked just fine, at least the Hurd appears to do something thing right. ;-) dm@engr.sgi.com 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -Linus From ralf@Julia.DE Fri Aug 2 17:40:15 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08757 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:40:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09502; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:39:57 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09672 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:41:23 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03220 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:41:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199608021541.RAA03220@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Hello To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:41:57 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608021321.PAA21642@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Aug 2, 96 03:21:12 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 259 Lines: 10 Hi, > Yep, kernel sources available by HTTP make a lot of references !! > It seems also that there is a lot of mirror of fnet's official pages, > maintened by our dear Ralf. Yes, the trick to mirror the web pages into the ftp tree seems to pay out. Ralf From ralf@Julia.DE Mon Aug 5 12:35:37 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA03341 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:35:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26325; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:35:23 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06653; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:35:38 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA00146; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:37:16 +0200 Message-Id: <199608051037.MAA00146@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: DECstation & COFF To: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:37:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199608042226.AA27958@suite.sw.oz.au> from "Paul Antoine" at Aug 5, 96 08:26:33 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1831 Lines: 44 Hi Paul, > Hmmm... yes I do. There's really no way to avoid it at the moment, and > maybe not at all. When we have hd/fd working and finish writing boot > loader, then the kernel can be in ELF and just the boot loader will need > to be in COFF. However, anyone who wants to be able to remote-boot a > DECstation is always going to need a COFF kernel image capability, unless > we re-write the boot prom! Is there a reason why you don't use a multistage bootstrap loader that allows you to use a small COFF bootloader which then loads the real kernel image in whatever format you wish to use? > > I'll probably switch to a ELF -> COFF converter for making the Milo > > bootfile, so for me COFF in the binutils might become entrily super- > > fluous. If you however need it - it's just a fingersnap to add it > > back in. > > Ok. During the weekend I've found some bugs in the a.out support of binutils 2.7. I just had enough luck so far, that's why I didn't notice this problem before. Well, now I finally give a.out what it deserves - a coffein. I've written a converter that converts a ELF kernel image into a bootable a.out image for Milo. This works reliable and requires no changes to Milo because the format of the ARC kernel images stays unchanged. A more sophisticated format including compression is on the to-do list, also. Crossformat linking of ELF binaries to a.out or COFF should work also in theory for this task but this feature is still that buggy in the binutils ("born to debugged") that I didn't even attempt to debug it. In short this all means about binutils: For best results use - binutils 2.6 for a.out - binutils 2.7 for ELF (The others probably should know this, too, so I cc this to the list.) > Thanks for your continuing good work on Linux/MIPS! Thanks! Ralf From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Tue Aug 6 09:36:45 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08269 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:36:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06410; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:36:30 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id HAA19558; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:36:12 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA15415; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:36:05 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608060736.AA15415@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: DECstation & COFF To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:36:04 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199608051037.MAA00146@kernel.panic.julia.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Aug 5, 96 12:37:16 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1304 Lines: 31 Hi folks! Ralf wrote: > Is there a reason why you don't use a multistage bootstrap loader that > allows you to use a small COFF bootloader which then loads the real > kernel image in whatever format you wish to use? Ummm... I just spent a microsecond thinking about this, and it seems we could write a bootloader for the DECstation that makes calls to the boot proms to load a kernel from either disk or TCP/IP in ELF format. It requires more thought... and probably wouldn't work for the 3100/2100 series as it doesn't have convenient ROM callback routines so we'd have to re-write the bootp code. On another note, I have just about convinced Sydney University to donate some old MIPS workstations to support our porting efforts. I will have at least one R4K machine, and maybe a 3230. More work to do... and big-endian as well! Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Tue Aug 6 09:40:19 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08396 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:40:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06576; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:40:02 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id HAA19613; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:39:28 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA15468; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:39:27 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608060739.AA15468@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: Hello, I want in! To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:39:26 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199607311316.PAA01170@kernel.panic.julia.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Jul 31, 96 03:16:39 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1200 Lines: 36 Hi, Ralf wrote: > Dave has a R4k system ... I'm sure I saw email indicating he'd done some tidying up of the R3k stuff... or maybe I'm going mad. > I've integrated about the half of Didier's patches into my source tree. > The rest - and this probably the more interesting part - would have broken > the rest of the code. I guess Didier will rework the rest of the patches > and will send them to to me again. Cool. > > Regards, > > Paul > > (P.S. Please note the new phone and fax numbers below.) > > (Why phone & fax? We could much better meet in Bruxelles for a beer ;-) Bruxelles! It's only a 16,000km journey for me! How about we meet in Australia somewhere this time?? Stoned & Luc, are you up for a beer in Sydney?? :-) Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Tue Aug 6 15:22:00 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10134 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:21:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19403; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:21:53 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by louis-blanc.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/96.04.09/louis-blanc); id PAA10836; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:21:54 +0200 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id PAA03540; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:21:16 +0200 Message-Id: <199608061321.PAA03540@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Hello, I want in! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:39:26 +1000." <199608060739.AA15468@suite.sw.oz.au> X-It: bandsept (wrong OS, but right CPU) X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 15:21:10 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 362 Lines: 11 Hi all, >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Antoine writes: [SNIP] Paul> Bruxelles! It's only a 16,000km journey for me! How about we Paul> meet in Australia somewhere this time?? Stoned & Luc, are you up Paul> for a beer in Sydney?? :-) A trip to australia is planned for years ! But haven't got a chance to fulfill this goal yet :( Cheers, Stoned. From ralf@Julia.DE Tue Aug 6 17:03:10 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10471 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:03:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22564; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:03:00 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28596 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:03:17 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02065 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:05:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199608061505.RAA02065@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Hello, I want in! To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:05:02 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608061321.PAA03540@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Aug 6, 96 03:21:10 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 645 Lines: 17 > Paul> Bruxelles! It's only a 16,000km journey for me! How about we > Paul> meet in Australia somewhere this time?? Stoned & Luc, are you up > Paul> for a beer in Sydney?? :-) > > A trip to australia is planned for years ! But haven't got a chance to > fulfill this goal yet :( I bet most people on this list have no idea what we're talking about - Paul, Stoned, Luc and me met in Bruxelles some time ago (inofficial first international Linux/MIPS congress ...); we lots of fun and of course were talking a lot about Linux ... Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8). From ralf@Julia.DE Thu Aug 8 16:15:00 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18938 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:15:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19254; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:14:52 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19251 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:14:41 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05778 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:16:41 +0200 Message-Id: <199608081416.QAA05778@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Linux/MIPS webpages To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:16:40 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 241 Lines: 10 Hi all, I worked a bit on the styling of the Linux/MIPS webpages at http://lena.fnet.fr/. Tell me how you like the new design. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8). From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Sun Aug 11 07:08:09 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07743 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:08:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA03060; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 07:07:53 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id FAA08688; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 05:07:39 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA04665; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:07:36 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608110507.AA04665@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 help To: linux-mips@fnet.fr (Linux MIPS mailing list) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:07:35 +1000 (EST) Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1326 Lines: 44 Hi folks, The nice people at Sydney University have given me a MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 machine to help with the Linux/MIPS port. The trouble is, I have no doco, and the machine has: No RAM No Graphics Card No Keyboard No Floppy No HD Now, the lack of floppy and HD is no problem as I have some of those, and I'm assuming that the machine has been used as a server (i.e. without KB or Vid,), so that they pose no problem either (it was running RISC/OS). I'd like to know: What RAM to use? Standard 72pin SIMMs? What sizes are o.k? Which SIMM sockets do I populate first? Do I need to put them in 1 or n at a time? It currently puts the following sequence onto it's internal diagnostic LED on RESET: .F 0 1 ...and stops at '1'. I'm assuming it wants RAM before it can go any further. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From pab@cisco.com Sun Aug 11 12:31:33 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08384 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:31:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from malcolm.rmnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11062; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:31:17 +0200 (MET) Received: from notebook (notebook.rmnet.it [194.20.98.4]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA31065 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:31:14 +0200 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960811102847.006a8974@malcolm.rmnet.it> X-Organization: cisco Systems X-Sender: pab@malcolm.rmnet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:28:47 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr (Linux MIPS mailing list) From: Paolo Bevilacqua Subject: Re: MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 help Content-Length: 920 Lines: 38 At 15:07 11/08/96 +1000, Paul Antoine wrote: >Hi folks, > >The nice people at Sydney University have given me a MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 >machine to help with the Linux/MIPS port. The trouble is, I have no doco, >and the machine has: > ... > > What RAM to use? Standard 72pin SIMMs? What sizes are > o.k? Which SIMM sockets do I populate first? Do I need > to put them in 1 or n at a time? > You need to use 36 bit SIMMS, ie 72 pin w/ parity. Four at time. Start with lowers slots. > It currently puts the following sequence onto it's > internal diagnostic LED on RESET: > > .F > 0 > 1 > > ...and stops at '1'. I'm assuming it wants RAM before it > can go any further. > Probably :) .... connect your PC at the serial console and you will have some info more. /pab -- pab@rmnet.it Paolo Bevilacqua -or- pab@cisco.com From andy@soft-n-hard.de Sun Aug 11 12:31:47 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08411 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:31:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aw.bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11079; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:31:31 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (andy@newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by aw.bnc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA06745 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:32:06 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21765; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:28:58 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 12:28:58 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199608111028.MAA21765@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 help In-Reply-To: <199608110507.AA04665@suite.sw.oz.au> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1515 Lines: 44 Hi, > The nice people at Sydney University have given me a MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 > machine to help with the Linux/MIPS port. The trouble is, I have no doco, > and the machine has: > > No RAM > No Graphics Card > No Keyboard > No Floppy > No HD > > Now, the lack of floppy and HD is no problem as I have some of those, and > I'm assuming that the machine has been used as a server (i.e. without KB > or Vid,), so that they pose no problem either (it was running RISC/OS). Hmmm. You'll need to get a video board as well as the mouse/audio board to run the box in little endian (WinNT) mode. I have a spare video board, but no audio/mouse board. Without the audio/mouse board the ARC bootloader fails during the selftest. > What RAM to use? Standard 72pin SIMMs? What sizes are > o.k? Which SIMM sockets do I populate first? Do I need > to put them in 1 or n at a time? It wants 4 (four) at a time, from the right to the left (viewn from the front of the box). You need standard PS2 Simms with parity with at least 2 Megs (512k * 36) each. > > ...and stops at '1'. I'm assuming it wants RAM before it > can go any further. Probably yes ;-) Hope this helps, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Sun Aug 11 23:08:46 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09612 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:08:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23430; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:08:30 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id NAA18044; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:58:35 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA19663; Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:58:33 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608111358.AA19663@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 help To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:58:32 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199608111028.MAA21765@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Aug 11, 96 12:28:58 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 32 Hello again. Andreas wrote: > Hmmm. You'll need to get a video board as well as the mouse/audio board > to run the box in little endian (WinNT) mode. I have a spare video board, > but no audio/mouse board. Without the audio/mouse board the ARC bootloader > fails during the selftest. I have the audio/mouse board and the ethernet/serial board, just no video. It's no problem getting a PS/2 mouse or keyboard here - the keyboards are only $AU19 (or about DM20). > It wants 4 (four) at a time, from the right to the left (viewn from > the front of the box). You need standard PS2 Simms with parity with > at least 2 Megs (512k * 36) each. Paolo in his reply said I needed standard 72pin simms with parity - and 72pin simms seem to fit (though I don't have any with parity). I had thought that PS/2 simms were 80pin... Thanks! Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From ralf@Julia.DE Mon Aug 12 12:09:32 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12516 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:09:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14604; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:09:12 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02354 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:10:57 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA00181 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:11:27 +0200 Message-Id: <199608121011.MAA00181@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: MIPS Magnum 4000SC-50 help To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:11:26 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608111358.AA19663@suite.sw.oz.au> from "Paul Antoine" at Aug 11, 96 11:58:32 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 247 Lines: 7 > Paolo in his reply said I needed standard 72pin simms with parity - and > 72pin simms seem to fit (though I don't have any with parity). I had > thought that PS/2 simms were 80pin... You must have parity simms or rien ne vas plus ... Ralf From schomake@nici.kun.nl Mon Aug 12 18:43:36 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13319 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:43:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from plinux2.psych.kun.nl by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11050; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:43:27 +0200 (MET) Received: from plinux2 (schomake@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plinux2.psych.kun.nl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA10221 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:43:56 +0200 Sender: schomake@plinux2.psych.kun.nl Message-Id: <320F5F4B.6F567233@nici.kun.nl> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:43:55 +0200 From: Lambert Schomaker / NICI Organization: NICI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: ... but can we _USE_ it ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 803 Lines: 18 [] Hello, I saw about your courageous attempts to put Linux on MIPS: great. We are running Ultrix V4.1 on 2 DECstation 5000 and some 3100. Upgrading to a later Ultrix version is even impossible with our H/W configuration. We use Linux on Pentium and 486 and are happy with that. Only: we are no kernel hackers. Is there any reason why we still should try Linux/MIPS? We mainly develop in C. The system should run ftp and www servers, a CuSeeMe reflector, and be an NFS disk server. -- Lambert Schomaker NICI, Nijmegen Institute for Cognition and Information University of Nijmegen, PO Box 9104, 6500 HE Nijmegen, The Netherlands Tel: +31-24-3616029, Fax: +31-24-3616066 schomaker@nici.kun.nl http://hwr.nici.kun.nl/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Tue Aug 13 01:20:08 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14110 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 01:20:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20969; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 01:19:12 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id XAA04454; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:18:53 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA22126; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:18:45 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608122318.AA22126@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: ... but can we _USE_ it ... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:18:44 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <320F5F4B.6F567233@nici.kun.nl> from "Lambert Schomaker / NICI" at Aug 12, 96 06:43:55 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1444 Lines: 34 Hi Lambert, > Hello, I saw about your courageous attempts to put Linux on > MIPS: great. We are running Ultrix V4.1 on 2 DECstation 5000 and > some 3100. Upgrading to a later Ultrix version is even impossible > with our H/W configuration. Which is one of the motivations for porting Linux... > We use Linux on Pentium and 486 and are happy with that. > Only: we are no kernel hackers. Is there any reason why we still > should try Linux/MIPS? We mainly develop in C. The system should > run ftp and www servers, a CuSeeMe reflector, and be an NFS disk server. There is probably no point in you trying Linux/MIPS for DEC at this stage if you are not able to help with kernel hacking. We will make a general announcement when the kernel becomes useful enough for BETA testing by people such as yourselves. Here is the web address for the DECstation pages so you can keep a check on progress as we go: http://www.softway.com.au/people/paul/dec/ Thanks, Paul (DECstation port co-ordinator) _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From advanc@dial.eunet.ch Tue Aug 13 19:45:40 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17506 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:45:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail.eunet.ch by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22156; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:45:27 +0200 (MET) Received: from dyna-ne-2.dial.eunet.ch by mail.eunet.ch (8.7.5/1.34) id RAA02751; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:45:20 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:45:20 GMT Message-Id: <199608131745.RAA02751@mail.eunet.ch> X-Sender: advanc@pop.eunet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: advanc@dial.eunet.ch (Advanced Communication Networks S.A.) Subject: dynamic linking Content-Length: 1241 Lines: 34 Hi, Some questions about ELF dynamic linking on a mips-based machine: 1. Is there anywhere some sources available (even if not fully operational)? It would certainly answer to my questions. If not, then 2. Is the dynamic linker a shared object (as for the x86, m68k,. architectures) or has it to handle virtual address overlap between itself and the application ? 3. Supposing that it is a shared object, I wrote a skeleton adapted from ld.so-1.7.14 to see what's going on. Since it is a shared object, the first thing it has to do is to relocate itself. Each entry in its .rel.dyn section refers to the same symbol, .rodata, and have the R_MIPS_REL32 type. The SYSV ABI MIPS supplement says that the calculation for this relocation type is : A - EA + S where A is the addend, EA is either the symbol st_value plus displacement or the value in the corresponding GOT entry, depending on the value of the DT_MIPS_GOTSYM tag, and S, in this case (a local symbol denoting a section), is the original sh_addr minus the final sh_addr. What do they mean by "original" sh_addr and "final" sh_addr ? Thanks, Robin P.S. Ralf, could you add us to the mailing list (our address: advanc@dial.eunet.ch) From dm@neteng.engr.sgi.com Tue Aug 13 19:49:00 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17540 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:48:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22209; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:48:47 +0200 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (cthulhu.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.2]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA09274 for <@sgi.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr>; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:48:47 -0700 Received: from neteng.engr.sgi.com (neteng.engr.sgi.com [192.26.80.10]) by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id KAA17828 for <@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr>; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:48:46 -0700 Received: (from dm@localhost) by neteng.engr.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/960327.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA11312; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:48:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:48:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199608131748.KAA11312@neteng.engr.sgi.com> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199608131745.RAA02751@mail.eunet.ch> (advanc@dial.eunet.ch) Subject: Re: dynamic linking Reply-To: dm@sgi.com Content-Length: 529 Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:45:20 GMT From: advanc@dial.eunet.ch (Advanced Communication Networks S.A.) 3. Supposing that it is a shared object, I wrote a skeleton adapted from ld.so-1.7.14 to see what's going on. If you check out the latest GNU libc sources, it has a full dynamic linker that indeed works on the MIPS. This is what I am using to bootstrap a full userland already on an INDY. dm@engr.sgi.com 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -Linus From jmfoster@palladium.corp.sgi.com Thu Aug 15 01:42:23 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22666 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:42:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13306; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:41:57 +0200 (MET) Received: from backson.corp.sgi.com ([192.102.145.20]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id QAA05146 for <@external-mail-relay.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr>; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:41:58 -0700 Received: from backson by backson.corp.sgi.com via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI) for id QAA03044; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:41:57 -0700 Sender: jmfoster@palladium.corp.sgi.com Message-Id: <32126444.41C6@corp.sgi.com> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:41:56 -0700 From: Jeff Foster X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0S (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP20) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux on M/12 X-Url: http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/#second Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 282 Lines: 12 Hi all, Have 2 M/12 systems, one of which boots riscOS (I think). Can these run Linux? thanks for any info, JF -- Jeff Foster System Administrator/TLC, ISAC Silicon Graphics, Inc. jmfoster@corp.sgi.com 415.933.6284 jmfoster_p@sgi.com (text pager) From mh@cs.tu-berlin.de Fri Aug 23 17:14:03 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13563 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:14:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18780; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:13:14 +0200 (MET) Received: from gustav (mh@gustav.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.47]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA01192 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:08:56 +0200 Sender: mh@cs.tu-berlin.de Message-Id: <321DC982.21C1@cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:08:50 +0200 From: Matthias Heidbrink Organization: TU Berlin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux on old R2000 workstation? X-Url: http://www.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de/~nils/mips/linux-mips-howto.html#third Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 965 Lines: 28 Hi, on http://www.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de/~nils/mips/linux-mips-howto.html#third, you ask for owners of MIPS workstations who would be interested in getting Linux for their machine. I have (please don't laugh ;-)) a Whitechapel Hitech-10, a workstation from an English company that doesn't exist any more. It was built in 1988 oder 89, has a R2000 CPU@16Mhz, 8 MB of RAM and has 1280x1024x256 color graphics. It is running 4.3BSD. I have X11R3 and NeWS. I would love to have Linux on this machine. But I don't know if I can be of much help. I have a few years of experience in programming, but I am not very used to C and UNIX and also have not very much time. Please tell me when someone has a Linux running on a Sony or Dec box. Both seem to be quite simular. Possibly I'll try to get it onto my machine then. Ciao, Matthias --- Matthias Heidbrink Helmstedter Str.20 10717 Berlin Tel. +49-30-8536361 E-Mail: mh@cs.tu-berlin.de Matthias_Heidbrink@b.maus.de From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Aug 27 03:32:34 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04570 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:32:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.4.1]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23006; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:31:38 +0200 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA21060 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:31:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199608270131.DAA21060@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id DAA04788; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:31:54 +0200 Subject: RM200, Ethernet To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:31:53 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 273 Lines: 8 Hi all, I finally worked around all the nasty traps hidden in the RM hardware; the Lance32 driver is now working. Time to write a book SNI RM undocumented or what SNI doesn't want to tell you. Also time for yet another patch; it's too long since the last patch. Ralf From eugen@research.nj.nec.com Tue Aug 27 03:55:39 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04640 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:55:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zingo.nj.nec.com by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23493; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 03:54:43 +0200 (MET) Received: from iris49 (iris49 [138.15.150.129]) by zingo.nj.nec.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01790 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by iris49 (940816.SGI.8.6.9/cliff's joyful mailer #2) id VAA06749(iris49); Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:55:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:55:00 -0400 From: eugen@research.nj.nec.com (Eugen Schenfeld) Message-Id: <199608270155.VAA06749@iris49> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: RM200, Ethernet Content-Length: 255 Lines: 14 Hey Ralf... no nothing from you..... are you there? eugen Eugen Schenfeld NEC Research Institute 4 Independence Way Princeton, NJ 08540 phone: 609 951 2742 fax: 609 951 2482 email: eugen@research.nj.nec.com (Inet) From Matthias.Peick@Materna.DE Tue Aug 27 08:34:59 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05165 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:34:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Matthias.Peick@Materna.DE Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net ([192.76.144.65]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02402; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:34:02 +0200 (MET) Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:24/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id IAA20077; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:34:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:34:03 +0200 X400-Originator: Matthias.Peick@Materna.DE X400-Recipients: linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de, linux-mips@fnet.fr X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=MATERNA/ADMD=UMI-DE/C=DE/;maternb.Ma.022:27.08.96.06.34.02] Content-Identifier: a11480a.239 Alternate-Recipient: Allowed Message-Id: To: linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested), linux-mips@fnet.fr (Receipt Notification Requested) (Non Receipt Notification Requested) In-Reply-To: <199608270131.DAA21060@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Subject: RE: RM200, Ethernet Importance: Low Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NGsEQi7gs5Tz9FndjyEKlNlLqHm0y1Ks" Content-Length: 742 Lines: 24 --NGsEQi7gs5Tz9FndjyEKlNlLqHm0y1Ks Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello, >I finally worked around all the nasty traps hidden in the RM hardware; >the Lance32 driver is now working. Time to write a book SNI RM >undocumented or what SNI doesn't want to tell you. Also time >for yet another patch; it's too long since the last patch. Use the add-on product Observe and learn something about the difference bet= ween dreams and reality... Matthias --NGsEQi7gs5Tz9FndjyEKlNlLqHm0y1Ks Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable IDENTIFIKATIONSANGABEN: a11480a.txt IA5 DX-MAIL X.400 User Agent= --NGsEQi7gs5Tz9FndjyEKlNlLqHm0y1Ks-- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Aug 27 10:36:00 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05408 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:36:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA05855; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:34:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14033 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:34:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199608270834.KAA14033@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (SMI-8.6/KO-2.0) id KAA04990; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:34:39 +0200 Subject: Re: RM200, Ethernet To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:34:39 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from "Matthias.Peick@Materna.DE" at Aug 27, 96 08:34:03 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 820 Lines: 20 Hello, > >I finally worked around all the nasty traps hidden in the RM hardware; > >the Lance32 driver is now working. Time to write a book SNI RM > >undocumented or what SNI doesn't want to tell you. Also time > >for yet another patch; it's too long since the last patch. > > Use the add-on product Observe and learn something about the difference > bet ween dreams and reality... Sounds like Sinix stuff. I've never used Sinix on something else but a MX2; SNI was so generous to deliver a copy NT with my box ... Also the more I creep into the mind of the designers of the RM200 the more I like this thing; it has quite a bunch of goodies in that SNI doesn't tell you about. If SNI had mounted the reset and debug interrupt buttons on the front panel the box would even be useable with closed case ;-) Ralf From dom@algor.co.uk Tue Aug 27 13:25:54 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA05777 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:25:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from moorgate.algor.co.uk by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11275; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:24:56 +0200 (MET) Received: from bank.algor.co.uk (bank.algor.co.uk [193.117.190.11]) by moorgate.algor.co.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07293 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:25:10 +0100 (BST) From: Dominic Sweetman Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 12:25:09 +0100 Message-Id: <13036.9608271125@bank.algor.co.uk> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux on old R2000 workstation? In-Reply-To: <321DC982.21C1@cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <321DC982.21C1@cs.tu-berlin.de> Content-Length: 1253 Lines: 30 Matthias Heidbrink (mh@cs.tu-berlin.de) writes: > I have (please don't laugh ;-)) a Whitechapel Hitech-10, a workstation > from an English company that doesn't exist any more. It was built in > 1988 oder 89, has a R2000 CPU@16Mhz, 8 MB of RAM and has 1280x1024x256 > color graphics. It is running 4.3BSD. I have X11R3 and NeWS. No, don't laugh - the people who conceived and developed this machine mostly now work for Algorithmics and are watching this mail group. On its launch in 1987 it was probably the fastest workstation in the world - not bad for a UK company nobody had heard of. You're welcome to any driver code you're interested in. It's really only ever run BSD derivatives (we did put up MIPS' RISC/os unix V.3, but it had a BSD chassis). The R2000 CPU runs the same code as any R3000; but the Whitechapel machine is big-endian, whereas DEC and Sony are both little-endian. It's nice to know there's still some in use out there. Regards, Dominic Sweetman phone: +44 171 700 3301 Algorithmics Ltd home: +44 171 226 0032 3 Drayton Park fax: +44 171 700 3400 London N5 1NU email: dom@algor.co.uk ENGLAND. www: http://www.algor.co.uk ftp: ftp.algor.co.uk From ralf@Julia.DE Tue Aug 27 14:24:44 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05965 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:24:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13085; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:23:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23507 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:24:12 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13273 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:25:03 +0200 Message-Id: <199608271225.OAA13273@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Linux on old R2000 workstation? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:25:02 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <13036.9608271125@bank.algor.co.uk> from "Dominic Sweetman" at Aug 27, 96 12:25:09 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1623 Lines: 37 > > I have (please don't laugh ;-)) a Whitechapel Hitech-10, a workstation > > from an English company that doesn't exist any more. It was built in > > 1988 oder 89, has a R2000 CPU@16Mhz, 8 MB of RAM and has 1280x1024x256 > > color graphics. It is running 4.3BSD. I have X11R3 and NeWS. > > No, don't laugh - the people who conceived and developed this machine > mostly now work for Algorithmics and are watching this mail group. On > its launch in 1987 it was probably the fastest workstation in the > world - not bad for a UK company nobody had heard of. Indeed the R2000 with a good memory system can deliver incredible performance. After a hardware fault on my universities last MIPS machine this R2000 machine from '88 had to be replaced with several Sparc 5... > You're welcome to any driver code you're interested in. It's really > only ever run BSD derivatives (we did put up MIPS' RISC/os unix V.3, > but it had a BSD chassis). Hmm... Is the - just by chance - the hardware of the Whitechapel similar to the old MIPS machines? Docs are missing for these and make a successful port of Linux to these machines difficult. > The R2000 CPU runs the same code as any R3000; but the Whitechapel > machine is big-endian, whereas DEC and Sony are both little-endian. Are you shure? From what I know Sony (also NeWS!) is wired to big endian. The Sony people didn't implement an endian switch in their boards. > It's nice to know there's still some in use out there. Hah! I'm still running V7 :-) Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8). From ralf@Julia.DE Tue Aug 27 20:39:59 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07066 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:39:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25335; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:38:59 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02393; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:39:15 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13774; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:40:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199608271840.UAA13774@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: MIPS RC2030??? To: alp@gambit.msk.su (Alexey Panteleev) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:40:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <9608260717.AA12611@dublin.gambit.msk.su> from "Alexey Panteleev" at Aug 26, 96 11:17:47 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1389 Lines: 34 Hi Alexey, > i am back to work from my vacation now. > > did you hear anything from that MIPS guy? Yes, indeed he tried to dig out as much information for me as possible. The bad news is that apparently most people have already shreddered the information of interest including SGI itself. So far the result is that one guy from the US offered the documentation that was delivered with his RC2030. He says that there is one chapter in one of the manuals that has some deeper technical information. Unfortunately he wants to sell the manuals including the machine which is probably not what you/the other RC2030 interest users on this list want. There were two other offers but I'm not shure if they really have the information that we want. Then again there would be the possibility to examine the sources included with Risc/OS for for system generation and to reverse engineer the kernel and kernel object files. Deciede for yourself if this is what you want do. Luckily I think, the RC2030 is a rather primitve R2000 box with a dumb frame buffer etc. Also someone told me that older X versions support the frame buffer of the RC2030. I think this is also of interest to the other RC2030/RC3030 users, though not necessarily good news, so I copy this to the list. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8). From dom@algor.co.uk Tue Aug 27 22:47:30 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07340 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:47:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from moorgate.algor.co.uk by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28530; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:46:32 +0200 (MET) Received: from gladsmuir.algor.co.uk (dom@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk [193.117.190.129]) by moorgate.algor.co.uk (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10838; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:46:42 +0100 (BST) From: Dom Sweetman Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:45:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <427.199608272045@gladsmuir.algor.co.uk> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Linux on old R2000 workstation? In-Reply-To: <199608271225.OAA13273@kernel.panic.julia.de> References: <13036.9608271125@bank.algor.co.uk> <199608271225.OAA13273@kernel.panic.julia.de> Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 25 Ralf Baechle (ralf@julia.de) writes: > Hmm... Is the - just by chance - the hardware of the Whitechapel similar > to the old MIPS machines? Docs are missing for these and make a successful > port of Linux to these machines difficult. Alas no. The Whitechapel was actually designed before any of these others, and quite independently. We'd all have *died* rather than use anyone else' hardware designs - engineers were proud folk in those far-off days. Well, OK we snuck a look at the MIPS M/800 cache design, but that hardly counts (and isn't visible to software, either). > > .... whereas DEC and Sony are both little-endian. > > Are you shure? From what I know Sony (also NeWS!) is wired to big endian. > The Sony people didn't implement an endian switch in their boards. Now you've set off Horrible Doubts. Why did I believe that about the Sony? Can't remember, so Ralf is likely right. But I agree with him that none of the systems of that age (that I knew about) were switchable. Dominic Sweetman dom@algor.co.uk From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Wed Aug 28 01:16:55 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07729 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA03303; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:15:53 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id XAA20821; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:15:56 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA04110; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:13:43 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608272313.AA04110@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: Any news on DS5000/1xx documentation ? To: engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Michael Engel) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:13:40 +1000 (EST) Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr (Linux MIPS mailing list) In-Reply-To: <199608272247.AAA26327@vespa.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> from "Michael Engel" at Aug 28, 96 00:47:20 am Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1656 Lines: 38 Hi Michael, > is there any news on the availability of hardware documentation for the > DS5000/1xx series ? Word back from DEC is that they currently cannot find the electronic versions of the documents (due largely to the huge re-organisations that have been happening at DEC over the last few years). John Hall and I are trying to arrange paper copies which I'll scan/OCR for distribution with DEC's permission. > We managed to get a monitor for our two DS5000/125 we have here ... Cool - though the current stuff will work with the serial terminal if you tell the BOOT prom to use serial as a console > We will probably get a DECsystem 5800 (?) by the end of the year. This > is also a MIPS-based system, do you eventually know if this system is > Q-Bus or TurboChannel based ? The guys that run the system don't know too > much about it ... They just gave us 4 MicroVAXen they didn't need any more ;). > > regards, > Michael Engel (engel@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) The 5800 is indeed a Q-bus based system (eeeek!)... I don't know whether we'll be able to resurrect enough doco for this one, but you're not the only person in the world that wants Linux for it so don't give up hope. Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From ralf@Julia.DE Wed Aug 28 16:18:41 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10760 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:18:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00156; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:17:28 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06534 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:17:37 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15030 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:18:35 +0200 Message-Id: <199608281418.QAA15030@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Linux/MIPS 2.0.6 uploaded To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1690 Lines: 46 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, I've uploaded linux-2.0.5-2.0.6.diffs.gz to ftp.fnet.fr where it will appear in /linux-mips/src/kernel/v2.0/ as soon as the admins have moved the file online. The patch does the following: - Removes support for building with the a.out tools. Binutils 2.7 has buggy MIPS a.out support and I don't see a point in supporting this further. Instead I've written a small program mkboot which is essentially a converter from ELF to a.out. Benefit is that you won't need to upgrade your Milo. - Along with the switch to the ELF compiler I've removed the entire a.out support in both GCC and Binutils. The configuration names mips*-*-linux* now are all ELF configurations. Binutils have additional COFF support for the sake of the DECstation port. I changed the preprocessor so that it now predefines the same symbols as the the SGI configuration, so you'll need this new tools to build the kernel. - About half of the R3000 patches that I've received have been integrated. - The kernel now includes a essentially rewritten Sonic driver for the Jazz machines. - The hacked lance32 driver now supports the RM200. - After some cleanup kernels can now be shared between Acer PICA and RM200. - some things more ... Ralf e02a8a6e4422cdf4148e05b483cd0a1f linux-2.0.5-2.0.6.diffs.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAwUBMiRVOkckbl6vezDBAQGtdQQAorpu/Licf1ToBCXxflvz7HPef6wDc8BW Q/wqKQW7VnETizUxJA0fXtsnyV6KPirJjWxqE84LNILiN41sqmA/wTFB0wCHxUR6 xEJsnkIT6KxKr4IbPH5ucURx0kS+uQOmyMfYaqJ8GPjD02CitHgyRBX5OpbGsAoB MK4yiYvh/hs= =X3LD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hub-fue!bigbug.franken.de!tsbogend@rachael.franken.de Thu Aug 29 21:36:17 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16560 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:36:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from rachael.franken.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22984; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:35:11 +0200 (MET) Received: from hub-fue by rachael.franken.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #8) id m0uwCsF-000oZNC; Thu, 29 Aug 96 21:35 MET DST Received: by hub-fue.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #35) id m0uwCs6-0005bRC; Thu, 29 Aug 96 21:35 MET DST Received: by bigbug.franken.de (8.6.12/tbs) id VAA00144 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:22:54 +0200 From: Thomas Bogendoerfer Message-Id: <199608291922.VAA00144@bigbug.franken.de> Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS 2.0.6 uploaded To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:22:54 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608281418.QAA15030@kernel.panic.julia.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Aug 28, 96 04:18:35 pm Reply-To: tsbogend@bigbug.franken.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 860 Lines: 19 > - Removes support for building with the a.out tools. Binutils 2.7 has buggy > MIPS a.out support and I don't see a point in supporting this further. > Instead I've written a small program mkboot which is essentially a > converter from ELF to a.out. Benefit is that you won't need to upgrade > your Milo. hmm, not a nice move. Now I have to patch my complete built-enviroment again. But a good chance to remove some of my ECOFF binaries and save a little disk space. Nevertheless some useless work for me. Do I need to rebuilt all Mips user binaries, or do the old one still work ? If not, is there a chance for a new root-x.xx.tar.gz ? Thomas. -- See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too ;-) [Linus Torvalds in <4rikft$7g5@linux.cs.Helsinki.FI>] From ralf@Julia.DE Thu Aug 29 21:59:55 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16632 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:59:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23496; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:58:49 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29973 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:58:45 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA20049 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:59:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199608291959.VAA20049@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS 2.0.6 uploaded To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:59:50 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199608291922.VAA00144@bigbug.franken.de> from "Thomas Bogendoerfer" at Aug 29, 96 09:22:54 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1441 Lines: 33 > > - Removes support for building with the a.out tools. Binutils 2.7 has buggy > > MIPS a.out support and I don't see a point in supporting this further. > > Instead I've written a small program mkboot which is essentially a > > converter from ELF to a.out. Benefit is that you won't need to upgrade > > your Milo. > > hmm, not a nice move. Now I have to patch my complete built-enviroment > again. But a good chance to remove some of my ECOFF binaries and > save a little disk space. Nevertheless some useless work for me. Well, actually I was planning that since quite some time. WIth the special problems that crosscompiling on an Alpha machines brings, this hits you harder, sorry. If you want to avoid the upgrade you can probably cheat by adding the missing defines to the compiler command like (see also include/asm-mips/sgidefs.h) and changing the arch/mips/Makefile to use the mipsel-linuxelf-* tools instead of the mipsel-linux-*. Anyway, with no more a.out stuff I feel better ... > Do I need to rebuilt all Mips user binaries, or do the old one still > work ? If not, is there a chance for a new root-x.xx.tar.gz ? Dave has done some work on Red Hat packages. When I have catched up with my baaaacklog I'll rebuild them for little endian machines. So we can skip that .tar.gz thing rsn hopefully. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8). From ralf@Julia.DE Thu Aug 29 22:23:40 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16719 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24118; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:22:33 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA30922; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:22:22 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20077; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:23:29 +0200 Message-Id: <199608292023.WAA20077@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS 2.0.6 uploaded To: neuffer@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Michael Neuffer) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:23:28 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: from "Michael Neuffer" at Aug 29, 96 10:10:38 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 611 Lines: 18 > On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Ralf Baechle wrote: > > Dave has done some work on Red Hat packages. When I have catched up > > with my baaaacklog I'll rebuild them for little endian machines. So > > we can skip that .tar.gz thing rsn hopefully. > > Wie sieht es mit Debian aus ? (For the non-Germans: How about Debian?) I very much like the thought of having more than one distribution. For now Red Hat because someone else has choosen it and actually worked on it. I'm shure Debian will come, too. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8). From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Fri Aug 30 10:44:55 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19537 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:44:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14802; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:43:40 +0200 (MET) Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id IAA08095; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:43:39 GMT (8.6.10/Unixware) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for ) Received: by suite.sw.oz.au id AA16795; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:43:37 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from paul@suite.sw.oz.au for linux-mips@fnet.fr) From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199608300843.AA16795@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS 2.0.6 uploaded To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:43:36 +1000 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199608281418.QAA15030@kernel.panic.julia.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Aug 28, 96 04:18:35 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 898 Lines: 26 Hi Folks, Ralf wrote: > I've uploaded linux-2.0.5-2.0.6.diffs.gz to ftp.fnet.fr where it will appear > in /linux-mips/src/kernel/v2.0/ as soon as the admins have moved the file > online. The patch does the following: > > - About half of the R3000 patches that I've received have been integrated. Can you give me a rough idea of what these patches do? Which ones are still to be done? > - some things more ... Anything important? :-) Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 9698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 9699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From ralf@Julia.DE Fri Aug 30 12:07:55 1996 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19700 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:07:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alles.intern.julia.de (loehnberg1.core.julia.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17944; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:06:47 +0200 (MET) Received: from kernel.panic.julia.de (kernel.panic.julia.de [194.221.49.153]) by alles.intern.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23856; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:05:56 +0200 From: Ralf Baechle Received: (from ralf@localhost) by kernel.panic.julia.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21767; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:07:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199608301007.MAA21767@kernel.panic.julia.de> Subject: Re: Linux/MIPS 2.0.6 uploaded To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:07:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: dfrick@dial.eunet.ch In-Reply-To: <199608300843.AA16795@suite.sw.oz.au> from "Paul Antoine" at Aug 30, 96 06:43:36 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 933 Lines: 28 Ralf wrote: > > > I've uploaded linux-2.0.5-2.0.6.diffs.gz to ftp.fnet.fr where it will appear > > in /linux-mips/src/kernel/v2.0/ as soon as the admins have moved the file > > online. The patch does the following: > > > > - About half of the R3000 patches that I've received have been integrated. > > Can you give me a rough idea of what these patches do? Which ones are still > to be done? The part that I left out where things that would have broken the R4000 port, where plain wrong tooo ugly or that simply did myself in a different way. I assume Didier (dfrick@dial.eunet.ch) & his collegue will rsn send another bunch of R3000 patches. Didier? > > - some things more ... > > Anything important? :-) A bit more cleanup so that the ACN R3000 they're working on fits better in the concept of the rest. Ralf -- A weird imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the features - manpage of amd(8).