From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Wed Nov 1 14:19:38 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA16334 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:19:38 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12203; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:20:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id OAA05781; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:20:19 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id OAA11437; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:19:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199511011319.OAA11437@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Olivetti and Magnum (I hope) RAM detection In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:41:23 EST." <9511010141.AA08647@silver.sni.CA> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:19:20 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 516 Lines: 14 Hi all, >>>>> "David" == David Kerry writes: [SNIP] David> I seem to have the problem as one of the other fellows David> here... Running oilyram from the ARC firmware on my Magnum 4000 David> doesn't seem to give the desired result. It seems to run, but David> then immediately goes back to the firmware screen with no David> output. Ghost ! I have no luck with this stuff. Anyway thank for testing. I'm gonna look at it again. Andy ? (you the magnum much more well than me....) Cheers, Stoned. From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Wed Nov 1 14:32:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA16400 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:32:16 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12359; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:32:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id OAA05797; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:32:58 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id OAA11474; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:32:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199511011332.OAA11474@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Paul Antoine: More DECStation musings Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 14:31:56 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 2610 Lines: 74 Hi all, again some stuff from Paul Antoine. Just want to add, that's I'm completely agree with his proposal... Cheers, Stoned. ------- Forwarded Message From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199511011216.AA03932@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: More DECStation musings To: Stoned.Elipot (Stoned Elipot) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:16:47 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199510311142.MAA10070@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Oct 31, 95 12:42:31 pm Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: U)Kb/c%d9`JI>Y>s'evmMaR`z*WE$<,["^2)I8o?jkx/d^=dMa$GD(s6[p|npE}r0?)qQ7H *3S2vbK66POj?=%pCn?Bp}D/3A{`-.v0=%L9emS+|Pc91$EP0-;i\ON*p;Mwp$tt3wO~g1Z W.mIz'n~$U&uIM9ix=\1=~""=W?t$3b)>`foC8+3g$m2l;^D$?i}WI(Uxc@THJ9OBbk3g6 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP3 *ALPHA*] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3684 [Stoned: SNIP] I have done quite a bit of thinking and investigating tonight, and have come to the conclusion that we need to do a bit more work on the directory structure for the source tree for the MIPS machines. I have in mind a structure akin to that used in SVR4: arch/mips/ common/ kernel/ mm/ magnum/ boot/ kernel/ mm/ maxine/ boot/ kernel/ mm/ ...you get the picture. I think we should probably follow some nice naming convention, so that the source module "bootsect.S" needn't be called "bootsectjazz.c", "bootsectmaxine.S" etc etc... especially since each MIPS machine seems to be so different in it's booting mechanism. (Trust me, the DECStation is much more like the Sun SPARC machines that jazz/magnum/oily etc.) It also means it becomes *very* clear which pieces of code are common to all h/w using the MIPS architecture, which must be considered a good thing for anyone doing a port to some strange MIPS machine. This common code would still contain #ifdef __R4000__ or #ifdef __R3000__ und so weiter (sp? etc. for the rest of us :-) to cater for differing CPU's... What do you think? It should probably be done sooner rather than later (i.e. now?), especially as we're working on a 1.3.xx tree... (Hi Ralf!) [Stoned: SNIP] Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. ------- End of Forwarded Message From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 1 14:37:29 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA16427 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:37:28 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12418; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:38:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA01189 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:38:13 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA26987; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:37:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:37:15 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511011337.OAA26987@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Olivetti and Magnum (I hope) RAM detection In-Reply-To: <199511011319.OAA11437@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 682 Lines: 20 Hi all, > > Ghost ! I have no luck with this stuff. Anyway thank for testing. I'm > gonna look at it again. Andy ? (you the magnum much more well than > me....) > I'll give it a try as soon as possible. I'm sorry, but I'm having problems with another project and don't have the time to contribute at the moment. I hope to find more time next week, but no promises... Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 1 16:14:53 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA16756 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:14:52 +0100 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13999; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:15:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from bnc.net by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA09299; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:15:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA02814 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:31:52 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA27383; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:30:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:30:47 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511011430.PAA27383@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Paul Antoine: More DECStation musings In-Reply-To: <199511011332.OAA11474@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1380 Lines: 32 > > ...you get the picture. I think we should probably follow some nice > naming convention, so that the source module "bootsect.S" needn't > be called "bootsectjazz.c", "bootsectmaxine.S" etc etc... especially > since each MIPS machine seems to be so different in it's booting > mechanism. (Trust me, the DECStation is much more like the Sun SPARC > machines that jazz/magnum/oily etc.) > > It also means it becomes *very* clear which pieces of code are > common to all h/w using the MIPS architecture, which must be considered > a good thing for anyone doing a port to some strange MIPS machine. > This common code would still contain #ifdef __R4000__ or #ifdef __R3000__ > und so weiter (sp? etc. for the rest of us :-) to cater for differing ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ perfect :-) > CPU's... > > What do you think? It should probably be done sooner rather than later > (i.e. now?), especially as we're working on a 1.3.xx tree... (Hi Ralf!) > I agree 100%. That's the best suggestion I read on this list since the whole project exists :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@RMnet.IT Wed Nov 1 21:39:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA17770 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:39:01 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19497; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:39:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03835 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:41:30 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951101213638.ZM3118@pag> Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:36:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 437 Lines: 11 Hello, I found what the problem is but i need advice to solve it: libgcc2.c at line 1394 includes , and Makefile has a variable LIBGCC2_INCLUDE expecially made for this, but the standard one under /usr/include isn't good because it ends into _G_config.h that does't handle the new architecture. I looked under all reasonable places to find a substitute without success, maybe stand/stdio.h of milo can help? Cheers, /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 2 10:11:53 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21550 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:11:48 +0100 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02078; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:12:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from infko.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA28533; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:10:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by infko.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA24622 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:06:30 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511020906.KAA24622@infko.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA16596; Thu, 2 Nov 95 10:05:45 +0100 Subject: Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:05:44 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <951101213638.ZM3118@pag> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 1, 95 09:36:36 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 768 Lines: 17 Hi, > I found what the problem is but i need advice to solve it: > libgcc2.c at line 1394 includes , and Makefile has a variable > LIBGCC2_INCLUDE expecially made for this, but the standard one under > /usr/include isn't good because it ends into _G_config.h that does't > handle the new architecture. I looked under all reasonable places to > find a substitute without success, maybe stand/stdio.h of milo can help? /usr/include/ is the wrong place; a cross compiler doesn't search for header files in this directory. You have to install the header files in /include, where prefix is the directory that you used to configure gcc (./configure --prefix= ...) The _G_config.h of the patched headers from ftp.fnet.fr will work. Ralf From pab@RMnet.IT Fri Nov 3 01:28:56 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA27524 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:28:55 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22063; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:29:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA23821 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:31:09 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951103012634.ZM15414@pag> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 01:26:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: Systemkennung Linux "Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c" (Nov 2, 10:05) References: <199511020906.KAA24622@infko.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 220 Lines: 6 Thanks to Ralf's suggestions, I have now a working crossdev environment. The (silly) difficulties that i meet prove that extensive router configuration and marketing snickering almost ruined my mind. Cheers'all, /pab From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Fri Nov 3 02:31:40 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA29192 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:31:39 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23167; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:32:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id CAA08657; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:32:22 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id CAA13224; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:31:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199511030131.CAA13224@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Nov 1995 01:26:31 +0100." <951103012634.ZM15414@pag> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Fri, 03 Nov 1995 02:31:23 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 278 Lines: 6 >Thanks to Ralf's suggestions, I have now a working crossdev environment. >The (silly) difficulties that i meet prove that extensive router >configuration and marketing snickering almost ruined my mind. Hum,... or too much vine perhaps just like me tonight ;) Cheers, Stoned. From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Fri Nov 3 13:00:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02180 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:00:53 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA03825; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:01:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA22886 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:00:41 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199511031200.NAA22886@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:00:41 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <951103012634.ZM15414@pag> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 3, 95 01:26:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 516 Lines: 13 Hi, > Thanks to Ralf's suggestions, I have now a working crossdev environment. > The (silly) difficulties that i meet prove that extensive router > configuration and marketing snickering almost ruined my mind. Good to hear - but I forgot one step. On the ftp servers you'll find an file float.h. When installing a crosscompiler you'll have to copy this file to /lib/gcc-lib/mipsel-linux/2.7.0/include/. You need to do this because this file cannot be generated during building a crosscompiler. Ralf From pab@RMnet.IT Fri Nov 3 13:40:45 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02354 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:40:44 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04527; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:41:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA28590 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:42:48 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951103133820.ZM15414@pag> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:38:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: Ralf Baechle "Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c" (Nov 3, 13:00) References: <199511031200.NAA22886@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: stdio.h for gcc-2.7.0/libgcc2.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 430 Lines: 13 On Nov 3, 13:00, Ralf Baechle wrote: > ... > > Good to hear - but I forgot one step. On the ftp servers you'll find > an file float.h. When installing a crosscompiler you'll have to > copy this file to /lib/gcc-lib/mipsel-linux/2.7.0/include/. > You need to do this because this file cannot be generated during > building a crosscompiler. > Oh yeah, i figured this out during my illumination phase last night. /pab From tiv@vma.bme.hu Mon Nov 6 21:55:36 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA24173 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:55:34 +0100 Received: from nic.bme.hu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17761; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:56:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from euromath.vma.bme.hu (euromath.vma.bme.hu [152.66.83.1]) by nic.bme.hu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA11707 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:56:15 +0100 Received: (from tiv@localhost) by euromath.vma.bme.hu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id VAA21723; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:56:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:56:11 +0100 (MET) From: Szemethy Tivadar X-Sender: tiv@euromath To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Paul Antoine: More DECStation musings In-Reply-To: <199511011430.PAA27383@newton.soft-n-hard.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 452 Lines: 15 hi, > > [that stuff about dir structure] > > I agree 100%. That's the best suggestion I read on this list since > the whole project exists :-) Me too (100%). Some DECStation news: bad: I'm also still VERY busy. good: I met Linus last week at Bucharest, Romania (there was an open systems conference) and he promised to help us if we need docs on DECstations from Digital. He may know the right people to ask. I'm going to email him soon. tivadar From pab@RMnet.IT Mon Nov 6 22:29:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA24300 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:29:40 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18480; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:30:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14208 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:32:07 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951106222719.ZM12398@pag> Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:27:18 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Magnum console Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 248 Lines: 7 Hi, after playing a bit with the G364 and its funny registers i think i discovered why the output is bad on lo-res (1MB) boards: even lines aren't actually written to the buffer. I think i'm gonna write some kind of alternative routines. /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 7 10:38:22 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27878 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:38:21 +0100 Received: from infko.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01638; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:38:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by infko.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA19836 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:39:25 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511070939.KAA19836@infko.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA06681; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:37:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Paul Antoine: More DECStation musings To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:37:27 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Szemethy Tivadar" at Nov 6, 95 09:56:11 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 456 Lines: 13 Hi, > Me too (100%). > Some DECStation news: > bad: I'm also still VERY busy. > good: I met Linus last week at Bucharest, Romania (there was an open systems > conference) and he promised to help us if we need docs on DECstations from > Digital. He may know the right people to ask. I'm going to email him soon. Some time ago someone already said that Jim Paradis had offered help. Will have to dig through the mailing list archive for this ... Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 7 10:43:36 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA27925 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:43:36 +0100 Received: from infko.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01771; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:44:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by infko.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20166 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:44:55 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511070944.KAA20166@infko.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA06698; Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:42:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Magnum console To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:42:57 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <951106222719.ZM12398@pag> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 6, 95 10:27:18 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 448 Lines: 12 Hi, > after playing a bit with the G364 and its funny registers i think i > discovered why the output is bad on lo-res (1MB) boards: even lines > aren't actually written to the buffer. I think i'm gonna write some kind > of alternative routines. If it would't be such a big work I'd say it's time for a big ARC BIOS replacement ... All these BIOSes are a real horror trip; unfortunately this is true for all BIOSes I've yet seen ... Ralf From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Fri Nov 10 12:35:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21549 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:35:41 +0100 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07932; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:36:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA02193; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:23:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id CAA23967; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:22:42 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id CAA22244; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:21:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199511100121.CAA22244@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: New arguments passing scheme, part I X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 02:21:42 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 497 Lines: 13 Hi all, just to keep you informed,... :) I had booted few minutes ago my first version of the dummy vmlinux from milo's package with my implementation of the NAPS. Support in arch/mips/kernel/setup.c for this new arguments passing scheme is under way, I should have a kernel booting with this stuff before saturday night is over :) I'll put diff on Fnet's FTP as soon as possible, it need to be tested on all the target, and I plan a massive reorganization of milo's sources.... Cheers, Stoned. From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Fri Nov 10 19:01:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA22821 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:00:59 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24218; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:01:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24852 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:02:18 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511101802.TAA24852@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA13967; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:00:11 +0100 Subject: Re: New arguments passing scheme, part I To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:00:10 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511100121.CAA22244@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 10, 95 02:21:42 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 775 Lines: 21 Hi, > just to keep you informed,... :) > I had booted few minutes ago my first version of the dummy vmlinux > from milo's package with my implementation of the NAPS. Support in > arch/mips/kernel/setup.c for this new arguments passing scheme is > under way, I should have a kernel booting with this stuff before > saturday night is over :) Anyway - good to know that someone else but is working :-) I'm just testing the Linux 1.3.35 kernel. It's not just working it getting more reliable ... The libc still needs some fixes to fit the kernel again. > I'll put diff on Fnet's FTP as soon as possible, it need to be tested > on all the target, and I plan a massive reorganization of milo's > sources.... Why do you call it REorganization? The is none yet ... Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 13 16:29:05 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11483 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:29:05 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26130; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:29:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA18940 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:30:05 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA20059; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:28:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:28:57 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511131528.QAA20059@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: SNI RM200 X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 985 Lines: 27 Hi all, I just received a phone call from a Siemens/Nixdorf tie regarding the Linux/MIPS port to the RM200 system. He'll send me a contract, and after I've signed, the promised RM 200 box. We can keep the box for at least 3 months. What will happen then isn't clear yet. I guess this depends on the success... Also, he promised to make all the work available thru SNI's ftp/web server and also on the RM-series support CD. Soo... My time has become very short. I cannot take care of this box too much, which means that I'll do the very basic things only: Patch Milo, hack the TLB table and change the console driver. Regarding everything else: Volunteers welcome! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 13 17:28:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11878 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:27:59 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27159; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:28:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA20761 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:28:50 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA20488; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:27:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:27:43 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511131627.RAA20488@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI RM200 In-Reply-To: <9511131727.ZM422@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 665 Lines: 21 > Well, i'm working on the console driver too, to make it faster & indipendent > from ARC bios. Huh? You mean Milo's console driver, right? The kernel's driver is already independent. > Does the Siemes have a G364 graphic board ? Definitely not! It has some sort of standard SVGA adapter on-board. I guess it's an S3 chip, but I don't know yet. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 13 17:22:19 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11850 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:22:18 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27072; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:23:08 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id RAA00424 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:27:51 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511131727.ZM422@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:27:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "SNI RM200" (Nov 13, 4:28pm) References: <199511131528.QAA20059@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI RM200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 461 Lines: 15 On Nov 13, 4:28pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > ... > Soo... My time has become very short. I cannot take care of > this box too much, which means that I'll do the very basic > things only: Patch Milo, hack the TLB table and change the > console driver. Regarding everything else: Volunteers welcome! > > Cheers, > Andy > Well, i'm working on the console driver too, to make it faster & indipendent from ARC bios. Does the Siemes have a G364 graphic board ? /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 13 17:52:34 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12269 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:52:33 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.4.1]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27681; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:52:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from brian.uni-koblenz.de (linux@brian.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.22]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00110 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:53:06 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511131653.RAA00110@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by brian.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA05908; Mon, 13 Nov 95 17:51:18 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI RM200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:51:17 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511131727.ZM422@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 13, 95 05:27:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1387 Lines: 35 Hi, > On Nov 13, 4:28pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > > ... > > Soo... My time has become very short. I cannot take care of > > this box too much, which means that I'll do the very basic > > things only: Patch Milo, hack the TLB table and change the > > console driver. Regarding everything else: Volunteers welcome! > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > Well, i'm working on the console driver too, to make it faster & indipendent > from ARC bios. Does the Siemes have a G364 graphic board ? :-) This is an uptodate workstation with a 150MHz (?) R4600. It's just the smallest model of a whole series. The bigger models RM400, RM600, RM800 and RM800 are all running on R4400MC 200MHz with 4mb second level cache per CPU. Number of CPUs varies from 2 (RM400) to 1024 (RM1000). And of course the MC CPU version has not only the 64 bit main memory bus - it has even an extra 128bit wide bus only used to access the cache ... Faaast ... No idea what graphics hardware they use. Some models have PCI slots, so probably a pretty normal graphics card? At least this words should say something about what caliber that machine is and that it's not using a G364 with high probability. About the G364 - doesn't anybody feel like hacking a real console for it? I hacked the support for the Acer and without benchmarks I'd say the speed difference is by a factor of several hundred times. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 13 18:40:16 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12619 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:40:15 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28927; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:40:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02086 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:41:04 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511131741.SAA02086@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA20658; Mon, 13 Nov 95 18:39:16 +0100 Subject: Announces To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:39:16 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1446 Lines: 38 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I've uploaded the new kernel patch 35. Highlights include: - Linus' kernel patch 35 - Many bugfixes - Some cleanup for the Jazz family of boards. - Support for the realtime clock of Jazz machines. - Floppy patches now also work with Acer PICA. - Acer PICA 61 S3 console now supports all the features of the Linux/i386 console. This also brought a massive speedup. The speed difference to the G364 is at least by a factor of 100! - Kernel support for ELF now working Since the massive changes during 1.3 render the old libc 4.6.27 port useless I'm including a new version 1.1 of the "hello, world!" test program. The "hello, world!" test program also needed some minor changes to run on the 1.3.35 kernel. This version still doesn't have a builtin mail reader; so it's still not a usefull program ;-) After some discussion with Ulrich Drepper I've decided to switch from the H.J. Lu's Linux Libc to the FSF Glibc. Ralf ca22a1327ce59630d3740dd011b3052d hello-1.0-1.1.diffs.gz 1e00fef32c1dd4da6ef1027e42c77358 hello-1.1.tar.gz 9dfc8954d47a63d55427f67ae5946089 linux-1.3.34-1.3.35.diffs.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMKcxOUckbl6vezDBAQHqrwQAmkxmoNgC+1Xvj4u4RK9JVuOqhNCCMUG8 Vgdgw0oOiHtz1sW2mhWyWdkSsslkUdUK9n8DtO8+veXUu+SrO/L+5wsTVOl4AUqk pHVOZIiTw1XhpmkcnR6vymxw+lCzSFCAZrFs6Yv95bc2CQDWtcP/qtWGUkdVbsww Ox2BQb+0u3Q= =eH9z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 13 18:41:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12638 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:41:10 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28964; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:41:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA22966 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:42:06 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA21002; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:40:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:40:59 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511131740.SAA21002@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI RM200 In-Reply-To: <199511131653.RAA00110@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 642 Lines: 18 > > About the G364 - doesn't anybody feel like hacking a real console for it? > I hacked the support for the Acer and without benchmarks I'd say the > speed difference is by a factor of several hundred times. > Well, Ralf, you forgot that there is _NO_ text mode. You're always in graphics mode, and there's no way out. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 13 18:53:52 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12693 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:53:51 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29257; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:54:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id SAA00449 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:59:28 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511131859.ZM447@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:59:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: SNI RM200" (Nov 13, 5:27pm) References: <199511131627.RAA20488@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI RM200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 379 Lines: 16 On Nov 13, 5:27pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: Re: SNI RM200 > > > > Well, i'm working on the console driver too, to make it faster & indipendent > > from ARC bios. > > Huh? You mean Milo's console driver, right? The kernel's driver > is already independent. > yes, it is for Milo, but my idea is to have the same code reusable for a faster kernel console driver. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 13 19:32:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA12883 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:32:13 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00107; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:32:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA24468 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:33:08 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA21337; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:32:01 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:32:01 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511131832.TAA21337@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI RM200 In-Reply-To: <199511131807.TAA03182@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 728 Lines: 20 > > My good old Amiga has at max. 10 % of the CPU of your Magnum and can > print more than 20000 chars/s using proportional fonts on his 1024x1024 > display. So don't tell me there's nothing to speed up. I read the > code of the G364 support and *shiver* ... Just take a look at the > code for scrolling: > I haven't said that there's no way to increase speed. I said that there is no way to get a TEXT MODE! Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 13 19:05:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA12762 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:05:13 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29528; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:06:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from lars.uni-koblenz.de (linux@lars.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.6.189]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA03182 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:07:13 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511131807.TAA03182@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by lars.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.12/KO-2.0) id TAA00545; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:45:18 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI RM200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:45:13 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511131740.SAA21002@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 13, 95 06:40:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 936 Lines: 26 Hi, > > About the G364 - doesn't anybody feel like hacking a real console for it? > > I hacked the support for the Acer and without benchmarks I'd say the > > speed difference is by a factor of several hundred times. > > Well, Ralf, you forgot that there is _NO_ text mode. You're always > in graphics mode, and there's no way out. My good old Amiga has at max. 10 % of the CPU of your Magnum and can print more than 20000 chars/s using proportional fonts on his 1024x1024 display. So don't tell me there's nothing to speed up. I read the code of the G364 support and *shiver* ... Just take a look at the code for scrolling: > while (count) { > count--; > *(d++) = *(s++); > } Hmmm ... As an alternative - does someone feel like hacking support for (E)ISA cards in the Magnum? I know, as Magnums have a complete system on board their owners usually don't test the slots for the whole lifetime of the system ... Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 13 19:48:33 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA12942 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:48:33 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00410; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:49:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA04886 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:50:30 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511131850.TAA04886@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA17370; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:48:00 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI RM200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:47:59 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511131832.TAA21337@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 13, 95 07:32:01 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 729 Lines: 20 Hi, > > My good old Amiga has at max. 10 % of the CPU of your Magnum and can > > print more than 20000 chars/s using proportional fonts on his 1024x1024 > > display. So don't tell me there's nothing to speed up. I read the > > code of the G364 support and *shiver* ... Just take a look at the > > code for scrolling: > > > > I haven't said that there's no way to increase speed. I said > that there is no way to get a TEXT MODE! Sorry. Seems I interpreted that to far. Anyway - I just played around with the code and did a bit cycle counting. The shown C code needs 6 machine insns for 4 bytes copied per iteration. Optimizing and unrolling the loop eight times gives 22 insns and 32 bytes per iteration. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 13 22:42:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA13692 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:42:16 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02878; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:43:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA00494 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:43:16 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA22611; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:42:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 22:42:08 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511132142.WAA22611@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Console driver performances In-Reply-To: <199511131924.UAA29919@malcolm.rmnet.it> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 932 Lines: 25 Hi all, > > Well, > i don't like to before things are done, but the code i'm cooking should give a > sufficiente speedup, running the G364 at 4bpp with hardware scroll... > All this come of course from the precious Andy's docs and talks. > Well, I think that you should continue this work. Certainly if you can manage hardscrolling to work this would give much more speedup than just unrolling the scroll loop. A long time ago I already played around with unrolled loops and I came to the results as Ralf estimated. Unrolling more than 8 loops didn't further improve the performance, at least not noticable. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From lab.ipmce.su!zaitcev@bone.ipmce.su Tue Nov 14 08:57:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA18396 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:56:55 +0100 Received: from ipmce.su (ipmce-gw/S0-64k.Demos.net) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12941; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:57:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from bone.UUCP by ipmce.su (8.6.9/SMI-RJMc) for linux-mips@fnet.fr id KAA11894; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:47:22 +0300 Received: from lab.ipmce.su (terra.lab.ipmce.su) by tretyak.sun.mcst.ru (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16491; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:45:18 +0300 Received: from jamica.lab.ipmce.su by lab.ipmce.su (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04181; Tue, 14 Nov 95 10:43:34 MSK Received: from mellorn.lab.ipmce.su by jamica.lab.ipmce.su (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10000; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:43:33 +0300 Received: by mellorn.lab.ipmce.su (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00626; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:43:33 +0300 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:43:33 +0300 From: zaitcev@lab.ipmce.su (Pete A. Zaitcev) Message-Id: <9511140743.AA00626@mellorn.lab.ipmce.su> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Console X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 632 Lines: 16 >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:40:59 +0100 >From: Andreas Busse > > > About the G364 - doesn't anybody feel like hacking a real console for it? > > I hacked the support for the Acer and without benchmarks I'd say the > > speed difference is by a factor of several hundred times. > >Well, Ralf, you forgot that there is _NO_ text mode. You're always >in graphics mode, and there's no way out. The same situation is on a Sun SPARC. As far as I can tell the speed is "acceptable" and it depends from the CPU speed. I beleive it is possible to render bitmapped characters on current CPUs with a decent speed. Pete From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Wed Nov 15 10:39:03 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00496 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:38:54 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11863; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:32:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA05179 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:31:27 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511150931.KAA05179@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA19799; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:28:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Console To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:28:58 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511140743.AA00626@mellorn.lab.ipmce.su> from "Pete A. Zaitcev" at Nov 14, 95 10:43:33 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 866 Lines: 20 Hi, > > > About the G364 - doesn't anybody feel like hacking a real console for it? > > > I hacked the support for the Acer and without benchmarks I'd say the > > > speed difference is by a factor of several hundred times. > > > >Well, Ralf, you forgot that there is _NO_ text mode. You're always > >in graphics mode, and there's no way out. > > The same situation is on a Sun SPARC. As far as I can tell the speed is > "acceptable" and it depends from the CPU speed. I beleive it is possible > to render bitmapped characters on current CPUs with a decent speed. The problem with the current G364 driver is that it is just a better than nothing implementation. No one has yet invested the work to do it right. Talking about the G364 console - could anyone having such a machine fix it for Lores (1024x768)? For now even a hack would be good enough. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Fri Nov 17 09:27:27 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA19278 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:27:24 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de ([141.26.4.1]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17449; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:28:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from lars.uni-koblenz.de (linux@lars.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.6.189]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA24333 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:29:00 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511170829.JAA24333@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by lars.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.12/KO-2.0) id KAA01741; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:07:09 +0100 Subject: GCC 2.7.1-1 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:07:08 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 937 Lines: 29 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, I'll upload patch gcc-2.7.1.diffs.gz for the new GCC 2.7.1 to ftp.fnet.fr. Changes compared to gcc-2.7.0-3.diffs.gz are: - shared library support disabled by default because it makes the current binutils break. Add -DWITH_SHARED_LIBS to CFLAGS while compiling to reenable them. - Removed patches for Linux/68k from patch set. These patches are now in the official GCC release. Don't use GCC 2.7.1 for compiling the kernel yet. There is a problem with it in the kernel sources which I've fixed for Linux/MIPS 1.3.37. Ralf 51daf97529789cd7153846e6497f8b97 gcc-2.7.1-1.diffs.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMKxA3Eckbl6vezDBAQHGcAQAhuFESR78xl+25Ndw4DHLNvaM5ZusdNu0 fRZin4qxpeoPoCaVX0OCWN07iuepRCGi65lieUmal32A3Qb1SYkl7VqeaCFfk/Zv EqLTFSd9mHjagZ9DnxjPKhrcv3cTq5glxQBZgSSvCS6HABnmjh3kACEn6Eh9IS9X rhjmBjr2L80= =rNZQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Fri Nov 17 19:14:36 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21867 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:14:35 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA00718; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:15:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA27206 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:15:43 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA31485; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:14:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:14:29 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511171814.TAA31485@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: SNI Alliance Partner X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1375 Lines: 35 Hi all, today I got the paperwork from SNI. Well, after signing it we are "Siemens/Nixdorf Alliance Partners" :-) That is, we (in terms of law only me, but I don't care) can use SNI's logo and name in any advertising for Linux/MIPS and related "products". More precise, we *must* announce that Linux/MIPS is being ported to the RM architecture in all press releases, Web pages, brochures (if any) etc. Also, we have guaranteed 5 Megs diskspace on SNI's Middleware CD-Rom for the RM series, as well as right to use SNI's web pages. Finally, we're invited to at least one SNI seminar per year for free. I'm not sure about the number of persons, but that's a minor detail... And besides the loaner RM200, we/I can get machines for very interesting conditions. Anyone interested in a RM1000? :-) There's just thing that I must clarify: The usual NDA. However, I guess that SNI is aware of the fact that Linux sources are always available, so that should be no problem. After all, I think that this more publicity and support than expected, don't you think so? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From imp@rover.village.org Sat Nov 18 06:47:59 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25698 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 06:47:58 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12698; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 06:48:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA06305 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:48:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199511180548.WAA06305@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: GCC 2.7.1-1 In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:07:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:48:50 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 225 Lines: 7 : Don't use GCC 2.7.1 for compiling the kernel yet. There is a problem with : it in the kernel sources which I've fixed for Linux/MIPS 1.3.37. Is that the definition of the in/out stuff, or are there other things? Warner From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Sat Nov 18 16:20:24 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA27681 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:20:22 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19872; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:21:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29146 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:22:52 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511181522.QAA29146@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA27109; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:20:02 +0100 Subject: Re: GCC 2.7.1-1 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 16:20:01 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511180548.WAA06305@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Nov 17, 95 10:48:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 407 Lines: 12 Hi, > : Don't use GCC 2.7.1 for compiling the kernel yet. There is a problem with > : it in the kernel sources which I've fixed for Linux/MIPS 1.3.37. > > Is that the definition of the in/out stuff, or are there other things? No, this is the only problem. For everything else I'm very happy to have GCC 2.7.1. Many bugs less - though 2.7.0 already was about the most reliable GCC ever for me. Ralf From pab@black.uni.net Sat Nov 18 20:50:28 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA28647 for ; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:50:27 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23235; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:51:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id UAA00752 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:56:15 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511182056.ZM750@black.uni.net> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:56:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "SNI Alliance Partner" (Nov 17, 7:14pm) References: <199511171814.TAA31485@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 34 On Nov 17, 7:14pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: SNI Alliance Partner > > Hi all, > > today I got the paperwork from SNI. Well, after signing it > we are "Siemens/Nixdorf Alliance Partners" :-) > That is, we (in terms of law only me, but I don't care) > can use SNI's logo and name in any advertising for Linux/MIPS > and related "products". > More precise, we *must* announce that Linux/MIPS is being > ported to the RM architecture in all press releases, Web > pages, brochures (if any) etc. > Also, we have guaranteed 5 Megs diskspace on SNI's Middleware > CD-Rom for the RM series, as well as right to use SNI's web > pages. > Finally, we're invited to at least one SNI seminar per year > for free. I'm not sure about the number of persons, but that's > a minor detail... > And besides the loaner RM200, we/I can get machines for very > interesting conditions. Anyone interested in a RM1000? :-) > > There's just thing that I must clarify: The usual NDA. > However, I guess that SNI is aware of the fact that Linux > sources are always available, so that should be no problem. > > After all, I think that this more publicity and support > than expected, don't you think so? > Gee! It's sad a lot when i think about so much nice iron to hack, and so few time to do so. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Sun Nov 19 11:00:46 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03362 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:00:45 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07098; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:01:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA11574 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:01:42 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23089; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:00:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:00:32 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511191000.LAA23089@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <9511182056.ZM750@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 560 Lines: 18 > > Gee! It's sad a lot when i think about so much nice iron to hack, and so few > time to do so. > Right -- and even worse: Until nobody is interested in supporting this box I really don't know if I shall sign this agreement. I hate vaporware... Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 10:49:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA09717 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:49:10 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA03887; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:50:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id KAA01031 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:55:02 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201055.ZM1030@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:55:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: SNI Alliance Partner" (Nov 19, 11:00am) References: <199511191000.LAA23089@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 913 Lines: 28 On Nov 19, 11:00am, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner > > > > > > Gee! It's sad a lot when i think about so much nice iron to hack, and so few > > time to do so. > > > > Right -- and even worse: Until nobody is interested in supporting > this box I really don't know if I shall sign this agreement. I hate > vaporware... > Totally agreed. I think we should realistically calculate how many probabilities there are of having a basic port done in (let's say) three months. This would allow Siemens to advertise Linux as 'experimental but working' OS on their machines, potentially attracting customers/developers to continue working on it, and consequently renew the support for a longer time. At a first glance we need to consider: - availability of a robust crossdev env. - the ubiquitous MILO in some reincarnation - support for console and disk - port of the basic utilities /pab From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 11:30:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA09941 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:30:13 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA05839; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:31:16 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id LAA01049 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:36:04 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201136.ZM1047@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:36:02 +0100 X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Low res video troubles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1291 Lines: 39 Hello, I'm having some trouble getting a correct display with this board. I've read all the related manual and i can correctly program the G364 up to its last bit. What happens is the following: One half (ie, one each two) display lines aren't displayed. Instead, a copy of the previous line is displayed, garbling the font. Example: instead of __XXXX__ _XX__XX_ _XX__XX_ __XXXX__ this is displayed: __XXXX__ __XXXX__ _XX__XX_ _XX__XX_ This is the same problem that the ARC bios shows, and does not depends by the display paramenters (like v-disp, front porch and stuff) neither by the pixel depth or anything. Since the configuration shell and the RISC/os PROM doesn't show this problem i tried to use G364 register values fetched from the latter, but without success. I'm start thinking that this board has problems depending by the endianess used by the processor. This would explain why the low res board isn't supported for microshit environment. Of course i hope to be wrong, and that there is something 'different' to do when accessing the frame buffer. I hope that somebody with a deeper knowledge of the machine architecture can help me, because i can't really go ahead with an almost unreadable display, and i don't think i can easily get an high-res video board ... /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 11:54:24 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA10026 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:54:23 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06433; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:55:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA20237 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:55:31 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA05182; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:54:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:54:19 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201054.LAA05182@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <9511201055.ZM1030@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 3171 Lines: 80 Hi again, > > Totally agreed. I think we should realistically calculate how many > probabilities there are of having a basic port done in (let's say) three > months. This would allow Siemens to advertise Linux as 'experimental but > working' OS on their machines, potentially attracting customers/developers to > continue working on it, and consequently renew the support for a longer time. > Glad to see a substantial response to my concerns :-) So... #define FLAME_ON With the current "project flow", if one can call it so, I doubt that we can make any realistic estimations on what takes how much time. Fact is that max. 10% of the people on the list do 90% of the work, and IMHO not always the "right thing", myself included. I actually gave up trying to manage the Linux/MIPS project because I didn't had the feeling that someone cares about what I say or not. Anyway, doesn't matter. But if I had to decide about further activities just as with a commercial project, I would say: It failed, forget about it. Fortunally this is no commercial project, but if everyone on the list would think about the project and his specific parts as if it would be one, things might change. The general rule of thumb shouldn't be "is it fun?" but "does it help?" to work on a specific part of Linux/MIPS. Otherwise it'll never become real fun :-( > At a first glance we need to consider: > - availability of a robust crossdev env. > - the ubiquitous MILO in some reincarnation > - support for console and disk > - port of the basic utilities > And this perfectly matches what I think. It is, of course, very important that Ralf works on GCC. But I really cannot understand why there's still no reliable binary distribution. I don't think that one person should hack GCC and another one puts it together. We've seen that with gcc-2.6.3 -- the binary I've made had a bug resulting in a keyboard driver problem. Nobody noticed that simply because everyone grabs the source and builds his own compiler. Why??? Similar with Milo: Months ago I asked for patches since Milo is more than due for an update. What have I got? Nothing. Console: Well, console works for me. It's slow, yes. But is this a problem? Are there any critical applications that need a super- optimized console driver? What should be fixed is the lowres problem on the Magnum. And if the fix increases speed, wonderful! But the problem is not that it is slow, or am I wrong? Disk: Yeah, would be great if we had a scsi driver, at least for the Jazz family. Volunteers welcome! I would throw code and docs after him! Basic Tools: Guess we shouldn't even think about this before we have a scsi driver. Or do we want to run everything from a 16 Meg ramdisk? Heard about SoftRam for Windows? We should port it to Linux/MIPS :-) #define FLAME_OFF Any comments? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 13:10:49 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10464 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:10:46 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08474; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:11:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id NAA01167 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:16:31 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201316.ZM1165@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:16:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: SNI Alliance Partner" (Nov 20, 11:54am) References: <199511201054.LAA05182@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 3163 Lines: 85 On Nov 20, 11:54am, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner > > #define FLAME_ON #define CONSTRUCTIVE_FLAME > > With the current "project flow", if one can call it so, I doubt > that we can make any realistic estimations on what takes how much > time. Fact is that max. 10% of the people on the list do 90% of > the work, and IMHO not always the "right thing", myself included. > I actually gave up trying to manage the Linux/MIPS project because > I didn't had the feeling that someone cares about what I say or > not. Anyway, doesn't matter. > I wouldn't say that nobody cares about your precious coordination, but that people (including me) often fails in packing, documenting and releasing the work they have done. A bit more effort in this would help a lot. > But if I had to decide about further activities just as with a > commercial project, I would say: It failed, forget about it. > Fortunally this is no commercial project, but if everyone on the > list would think about the project and his specific parts as if it > would be one, things might change. The general rule of thumb > shouldn't be "is it fun?" but "does it help?" to work on a specific > part of Linux/MIPS. Otherwise it'll never become real fun :-( > > > At a first glance we need to consider: > > - availability of a robust crossdev env. > > - the ubiquitous MILO in some reincarnation > > - support for console and disk > > - port of the basic utilities > > > > And this perfectly matches what I think. > > It is, of course, very important that Ralf works on GCC. But I > really cannot understand why there's still no reliable binary > distribution. I don't think that one person should hack GCC and > another one puts it together. We've seen that with gcc-2.6.3 -- > the binary I've made had a bug resulting in a keyboard driver > problem. Nobody noticed that simply because everyone grabs the > source and builds his own compiler. Why??? > See above - Since i'm kinda stalled with the video board i'll release the crossdev that i built, unless there are newer versions on theyr (close) way. > Similar with Milo: Months ago I asked for patches since Milo > is more than due for an update. What have I got? Nothing. > > Console: Well, console works for me. It's slow, yes. But is this > a problem? Are there any critical applications that need a super- > optimized console driver? > What should be fixed is the lowres problem on the Magnum. And > if the fix increases speed, wonderful! But the problem is not that > it is slow, or am I wrong? You're right. I would categorize the editor into this kind of applications, anyway :). > > Disk: Yeah, would be great if we had a scsi driver, at least for > the Jazz family. Volunteers welcome! I would throw code and docs > after him! > Gee, if this crazyness will take me the right way you will call me Paolo 'Drew' Bevilacqua! > Basic Tools: Guess we shouldn't even think about this before we > have a scsi driver. Or do we want to run everything from a > 16 Meg ramdisk? Heard about SoftRam for Windows? We should > port it to Linux/MIPS :-) > > #define FLAME_OFF > > Any comments? > My usual 5c. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 13:17:07 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10491 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:17:06 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08570; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:17:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA22379 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:18:07 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05643; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:16:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:16:56 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201216.NAA05643@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201143.MAA00214@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2993 Lines: 75 Hi Stoned and all, hope you don't mind, Stoned, when I push this to the mailing list again. I believe that this of general interest. > [about GCC] > Don't know for other, but for me it's my usual work stance: 'if you can > compile it, there's something strange about it' Well, for me it's vice versa: If I can't make the binary working, there's something strange about it. Imagine all the commercial software must be compiled by dumb (l)users first :-) > [about Milo] > You'll have it, it's a matter of days... (sorry my poor skill at MIPS > assembler prevent me from releasing it this monday). Doesn't matter. If you send it to me, I'll put together a new release. Any other patches from anyone, no matter if alpha, beta or whatever? > [about console] > The problem is that Linux console is an awfull piece of code, and I > don't speak about any Magnum specific part. As Ralf told me, Linux/68k > console is the right one, work is under progress in our side of the > world. And this might turn into a problem: Paolo is also working on a console driver enhancement, if I got him right. If you and Ralf don't tell the others about your work, someone else might spend hours into nothing. No good idea. Either announce what you plan to do, or do nothing. At least, avoid hacking on specific parts when you're not sure about other's plans. > [about SCSI] > Well you know that scsi stuff really turned me on, but I had focused > for now on boot sequence stuff. Sure, I understand the boot sequence stuff is enough work. Anyway, I believe that the scsi stuff should have TOP priority. > I think it will permit: > > - integration of MIPS specific parts in Linux mainstream sources (font > problem) > - better interface for other Mipses boxes bootloaders (aka DEC:) > - good chance to clean up Milo (I started this) > > So tell me if this is 'useless' or not, I will reconsider my current > focus according to your advices, really. Nothing of this is useless. It's rather the question if it's the right order, and if the work is at least halfway coordinated. See above: Is there perhaps something Paolo could contribute to the console driver issue? > Hum,... I really dont know what to think about these political stuff > with SNI,... all I see is that someone have to spend 3 month in a row > on this RM200 box... Not necessarily. I already said that I will do the very first steps. I've done that already with the Magnum and the Acer boxes, so it isn't totally new for me. Everything else, ie. drivers for hardware that isn't covered by the current Linux kernel is up to someone else. I would like to spend more time, but I can't. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 13:35:40 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10609 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:35:39 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08867; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:36:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA22855 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:36:45 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA05788; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:35:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:35:34 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201235.NAA05788@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <9511201316.ZM1165@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1808 Lines: 48 Hi again, > > I wouldn't say that nobody cares about your precious coordination, but that > people (including me) often fails in packing, documenting and releasing the > work they have done. A bit more effort in this would help a lot. > Perfectly right. It doesn't help that someone fixes his specific problems. The solution must be made available, and in such a way that it does not produce new problems. > > See above - Since i'm kinda stalled with the video board i'll release the > crossdev that i built, unless there are newer versions on theyr (close) way. Sorry, I don't remember which version you run. I'm running gcc-2.7.0-2 or so, but I'm never sure if it's really the *right* version. It would be way better if Ralf would release binaries since he's the one that knows what can go wrong. Imagine H.J.Lu would have thrown gcc sources after early Linux users. Do you think Linux would have had the same success? It is not the question wether we're developers and able to build our own compilers or not. It's necessary to have a reference to make sure that certain problems do not depend on "personal" compiler bugs! > > You're right. I would categorize the editor into this kind of applications, > anyway :). Right. And we're lightyears away from an editor! > > Gee, if this crazyness will take me the right way you will call me Paolo 'Drew' > Bevilacqua! > Take a look at the subscriber list: There is already a Drew :-) Ask him. Perhaps he can help you! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 14:34:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10876 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:34:42 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10076; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:35:47 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id OAA00444 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:40:37 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201440.ZM442@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:40:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 1:16pm) References: <199511201216.NAA05643@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1244 Lines: 27 On Nov 20, 1:16pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > ... > > And this might turn into a problem: Paolo is also working on a > console driver enhancement, if I got him right. If you and Ralf > don't tell the others about your work, someone else might spend > hours into nothing. No good idea. Either announce what you plan > to do, or do nothing. At least, avoid hacking on specific parts > when you're not sure about other's plans. > Actually, i'm working on the low level routines to have them fast & reliable. (BTW, i think i will run at 1BPP, after some little arithmentic i found that also 4BPP gives only 128 'virtual' lines, that are too few to have advantage from the planned harware scroll). There is need of a generic ansi/vt100 emulator to wrap around'em (in the kernel only, milo stays happy with "/r/n" handling. I haven't looked at the Linux sources yet, but such a thing should be very easy to find around. My goal is also to have support for applications (X) that are willing to take (and possibly return) control of the video. in the meanwhile, dear 2MB boards owners: please give a look to the oscillator clock close the baby 364: it's 5Mhz ? 8.125 ? or what ? Also please look at 0xe0200000 and tell me what do you have there. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 14:52:13 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10955 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:52:12 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10470; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:53:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24860 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:53:23 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06230; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:52:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:52:12 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201352.OAA06230@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <9511201440.ZM442@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1110 Lines: 30 > Actually, i'm working on the low level routines to have them fast & reliable. > (BTW, i think i will run at 1BPP, after some little arithmentic i found that > also 4BPP gives only 128 'virtual' lines, that are too few to have advantage > from the planned harware scroll). That is, 256 colors instead of "true colour"? No problem. > [...] > in the meanwhile, dear 2MB boards owners: > please give a look to the oscillator clock close the baby 364: it's 5Mhz ? > 8.125 ? or what ? 5.00 Mhz. > Also please look at 0xe0200000 and tell me what do you have there. Sorry, don't have my Magnum ready to use right now. For the moment, assume that anything that differs from the value you get there indicates a highres board. We're talking about this Eprom with just one byte used, right ? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 15:07:50 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11051 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:07:49 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10804; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:08:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01581 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:10:00 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201410.PAA01581@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29321; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:06:53 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:06:53 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201235.NAA05788@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 01:35:34 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3035 Lines: 63 Hi again, > > I wouldn't say that nobody cares about your precious coordination, but that > > people (including me) often fails in packing, documenting and releasing the > > work they have done. A bit more effort in this would help a lot. OK, well. As Milo has already been mentioned - what patches for Milo yet unreleased? From my side it's only minor stuff. Milo 0.25 still works fine with my current kernel. > Perfectly right. It doesn't help that someone fixes his specific > problems. The solution must be made available, and in such a way > that it does not produce new problems. > > > See above - Since i'm kinda stalled with the video board i'll release the > > crossdev that i built, unless there are newer versions on theyr (close) way. > > Sorry, I don't remember which version you run. I'm running gcc-2.7.0-2 > or so, but I'm never sure if it's really the *right* version. It would > be way better if Ralf would release binaries since he's the one that > knows what can go wrong. Imagine H.J.Lu would have thrown gcc sources > after early Linux users. Do you think Linux would have had the same success? > It is not the question wether we're developers and able to build our > own compilers or not. It's necessary to have a reference to make sure > that certain problems do not depend on "personal" compiler bugs! You're fine with gcc-2.7.0-2, gcc-2.7.1-1. The old gcc-2.6.3-whatever should also still be working though I'd not bet on that. > > You're right. I would categorize the editor into this kind of applications, > > anyway :). > > Right. And we're lightyears away from an editor! Not at all. I've got a port of the GNU libc-951116 more or less working. Various kind of applications do compile. I just need to do some minor fixes and this thing could be more or less working. If only the damn streamer'd read that tape I could even upload the stuff ... Why I hesitated to do uploads in the last time? Well, I was heavily modifying kernel interfaces to be something conforming to some standard. I'm pretty shure you people wouldn't like to update libc and the kernel daily :-) The tricky thing is that designing these basic system interfaces is a once in a lifetime chance. If you bug it, ... The truly evil thing is that I have more or less no documentation about all the stuff. Guess what fun it is to disassemble the kernels & libs of a certain company (I won't call names :-) which is well known for it's graphic computers ... A view things like complete ABI (not the cutdown version of www.mipsabi.org) or even deeper documentation could speed up the whole mess a *lot*. Apropos speed - credits go to Wayne Hodgen for borrowing me his whistles and bells 586 to me. Without it I'd not be where I am now. > > Gee, if this crazyness will take me the right way you will call me Paolo 'Drew' > > Bevilacqua! > > > > Take a look at the subscriber list: There is already a Drew :-) > Ask him. Perhaps he can help you! I guess Drew should take that as a compliment :-) Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 15:21:49 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11150 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:21:48 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11191; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:22:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA02602 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:24:03 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201424.PAA02602@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29348; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:20:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:20:56 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511201440.ZM442@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 20, 95 02:40:36 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2236 Lines: 42 On Nov 20, 1:16pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > > And this might turn into a problem: Paolo is also working on a > > console driver enhancement, if I got him right. If you and Ralf > > don't tell the others about your work, someone else might spend > > hours into nothing. No good idea. Either announce what you plan > > to do, or do nothing. At least, avoid hacking on specific parts > > when you're not sure about other's plans. Oh well, I don't think that my work collides with anyones else work. Just hacking the GNU libc and the necessary kernel interface changes. BTW - switching from H.J. Lu's libc to the FSF's release I'll have to modify GCC 2.7.1-1 a little bit. This affects only the ELF flavoured compiler and for people that don't feel like recompiling this could also be done by hacking the specs file. > Actually, i'm working on the low level routines to have them fast & reliable. > (BTW, i think i will run at 1BPP, after some little arithmentic i found that > also 4BPP gives only 128 'virtual' lines, that are too few to have advantage > from the planned harware scroll). > There is need of a generic ansi/vt100 emulator to wrap around'em (in the kernel > only, milo stays happy with "/r/n" handling. I haven't looked at the Linux > sources yet, but such a thing should be very easy to find around. My goal is > also to have support for applications (X) that are willing to take (and > possibly return) control of the video. For separating out the high/lowlevel stuff in the console: as already mentioned often enough this has already been done for the Linux/68k and AFAIK this work is being reused for Linux/Sparc. We should do the same. I however don't consider doing this hack my part of the job - the board I'm using is mostly VGA compatible and makes only minor modifications necessary. > in the meanwhile, dear 2MB boards owners: > please give a look to the oscillator clock close the baby 364: it's 5Mhz ? > 8.125 ? or what ? > Also please look at 0xe0200000 and tell me what do you have there. Hmm... Suggestion for hacking Milo's libstand.a. How about converting \n into \r\n in sprintf()? I always feel pretty nervragged when I once again forget the \r and the screen output get garbled. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 15:34:10 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11277 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:34:08 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11500; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:35:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA25964 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:35:11 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06477; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:33:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:33:59 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201433.PAA06477@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <199511201410.PAA01581@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2956 Lines: 61 > > OK, well. As Milo has already been mentioned - what patches for Milo yet > unreleased? From my side it's only minor stuff. Milo 0.25 still works > fine with my current kernel. I also have only minor changes, but with major effects on Magnums :-) > You're fine with gcc-2.7.0-2, gcc-2.7.1-1. The old gcc-2.6.3-whatever should > also still be working though I'd not bet on that. No, Ralf. We already had hassle with different compilers. gcc-2.6.3 seems to be out of date, and gcc-2.7.1 cannot be used to compile the kernel yet, as you recently said. So gcc-2.7.0-2 is the *only* choice, and you also need a specific binutils set for this. Please be more precise. Everytime we get a new member on this list the hassle begins again. I'd love to tell people: Get *this* binary, untar it in , make these two symbolic links and then go. You got the idea. > > Not at all. I've got a port of the GNU libc-951116 more or less working. > Various kind of applications do compile. I just need to do some minor fixes > and this thing could be more or less working. If only the damn streamer'd > read that tape I could even upload the stuff ... That's wonderful, but the reason for beeing lightyears away from an editor isn't the missing libary but the available diskspace :-) > > Why I hesitated to do uploads in the last time? Well, I was heavily modifying > kernel interfaces to be something conforming to some standard. I'm pretty > shure you people wouldn't like to update libc and the kernel daily :-) The > tricky thing is that designing these basic system interfaces is a once in a > lifetime chance. If you bug it, ... The truly evil thing is that I have more > or less no documentation about all the stuff. Guess what fun it is to > disassemble the kernels & libs of a certain company (I won't call names :-) > which is well known for it's graphic computers ... A view things like > complete ABI (not the cutdown version of www.mipsabi.org) or even deeper > documentation could speed up the whole mess a *lot*. > Actually, I had no problems with no uploads from you :-) I do understand that all this is complicated and I don't complain about no uploads. I complain about missing coordination and documentation. If you don't find the time to release compiler binaries, then pick one of list and tell him exactly what to do, ok? Any volunteers? > Apropos speed - credits go to Wayne Hodgen for borrowing me his whistles and > bells 586 to me. Without it I'd not be where I am now. I'm sorry that the 486/33 I spend isn't fast enough anymore. Make me some money and you'll get a faster box. Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 15:41:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11324 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:41:46 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11676; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:42:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id PAA00458 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:47:31 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201547.ZM456@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:47:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 2:52pm) References: <199511201352.OAA06230@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 565 Lines: 19 On Nov 20, 2:52pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > > That is, 256 colors instead of "true colour"? No problem. Nope, it's 2 'colors' instead of 16 @ 4BPP. There is always underline, reverse and (a bit harder to implement) bold, anyway :) > > > [...] > > Sorry, don't have my Magnum ready to use right now. For the > moment, assume that anything that differs from the value you > get there indicates a highres board. We're talking about this > Eprom with just one byte used, right ? > Yes, but there is also the oily board that should have a third value (1 ?)... /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 15:54:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11380 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:54:53 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11930; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:55:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA26457 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:56:00 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06588; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:54:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:54:50 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201454.PAA06588@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201424.PAA02602@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2334 Lines: 51 > > Oh well, I don't think that my work collides with anyones else work. Perhaps not yours, but as Stoned wrote he is (or plans) to change the console driver (see below). > For separating out the high/lowlevel stuff in the console: as already > mentioned often enough this has already been done for the Linux/68k and AFAIK > this work is being reused for Linux/Sparc. We should do the same. I however > don't consider doing this hack my part of the job - the board I'm using is > mostly VGA compatible and makes only minor modifications necessary. Nobody said that this is jour job. But if you think someone else could do it, then please describe your ideas and ask around (on the list!) if someone is willing to work on this. > Hmm... Suggestion for hacking Milo's libstand.a. How about converting > \n into \r\n in sprintf()? I always feel pretty nervragged when I once > again forget the \r and the screen output get garbled. Ok, next Milo. But back to the original problem: I really want to see a realistic chance for getting a SNI box to the same state as the Jazz boxes, and within a certain time. This is not only a question of "who takes care of this baby", it's also a question of the general rules here. I know that it isn't fun, but I believe that we need to definitely assign project parts to people. The way it worked (or not worked) until now is a no-go. I don't want to decide about who's doing what, so I ask before: Could you all please summarize what you feel responsible for? Or, if this needs to be decided first, come to a decision? The way is should work is that I don't need to ask around to find out who's doing what. Everyone should know whom to send patches if he's changing something. Also, just hoping that someone else will fix or write this and that don't work. If you think something needs to be written (such as scsi driver), either do it yourself or bother people until someone is willing to do it for you. Never just sit down and dream of it. It won't come. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 15:57:34 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA11404 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:57:33 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11992; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:58:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA26520 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:58:44 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA06599; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:57:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:57:34 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201457.PAA06599@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <9511201547.ZM456@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 693 Lines: 22 > > Nope, it's 2 'colors' instead of 16 @ 4BPP. There is always underline, reverse > and (a bit harder to implement) bold, anyway :) > Ah, you meant Bits per Pixel. OK. That's fine for me. I hate this colour console toy anyway :-) > > Yes, but there is also the oily board that should have a third value (1 ?)... > Yes, but I believe the Oily comes with 2 Megs by default. Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 16:20:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11579 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:20:46 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12650; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:21:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id QAA18831; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:21:49 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id QAA00595; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:20:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201520.QAA00595@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:06:53 +0100." <199511201410.PAA01581@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:20:44 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 909 Lines: 19 >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: [SNIP] Ralf> OK, well. As Milo has already been mentioned - what patches for Ralf> Milo yet unreleased? From my side it's only minor stuff. Milo Ralf> 0.25 still works fine with my current kernel. 'Huges' ones from myself ;) Mostly about the NASP, but they need a kernel update in the same step, and I still have problem with assembler code in the kernel; I guess it's a stupid error but last night I got very tired... and debugging in kernel_entry is... well interesting :) That's lead me to some questions: I will upload to fnet's FTP patches on milo to test - before release ?? - with patches on 1.2.11.2 kernel (from Andy). Yes sorry, I haven't done a backward compatible stuff: no more bootinfo struct..., what I was saying?, ah yes, should I grab the 1.3.x kernel and introduce the changes in, or what ? Cheers, Stoned. From beurton@fnet.fr Mon Nov 20 16:23:04 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11603 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:23:02 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12714; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:24:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from beurton@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA14521; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:24:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:24:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201524.QAA14521@nil.fnet.fr> From: Luc Beurton To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199511201216.NAA05643@newton.soft-n-hard.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:16:56 +0100) Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: lb Reply-To: Luc.Beurton@fnet.fr Content-Length: 987 Lines: 24 >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: >> [about console] The problem is that Linux console is an awfull >> piece of code, and I don't speak about any Magnum specific part. As >> Ralf told me, Linux/68k console is the right one, work is under >> progress in our side of the world. Andreas> And this might turn into a problem: Paolo is also working on Andreas> a console driver enhancement, if I got him right. If you and Andreas> Ralf don't tell the others about your work, someone else Andreas> might spend hours into nothing. No good idea. Either announce Andreas> what you plan to do, or do nothing. At least, avoid hacking Andreas> on specific parts when you're not sure about other's plans. Hi all, I'm just looking the console.c of linux/68k this week-end, and I think is the only way to make the linux/Mips console faster. actually console.c is thinking for Text Card. Linux/68k or linux/Sparc are made for Graphics Card, with good scrool ... Luc. From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 16:30:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11660 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:30:10 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12870; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:30:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06079 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:32:31 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201532.QAA06079@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29834; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:29:24 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:29:23 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201520.QAA00595@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 20, 95 04:20:44 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 874 Lines: 19 Hi, > 'Huges' ones from myself ;) Mostly about the NASP, but they need a > kernel update in the same step, and I still have problem with > assembler code in the kernel; I guess it's a stupid error but last > night I got very tired... and debugging in kernel_entry is... well > interesting :) > > That's lead me to some questions: I will upload to fnet's FTP patches > on milo to test - before release ?? - with patches on 1.2.11.2 kernel > (from Andy). Yes sorry, I haven't done a backward compatible stuff: no > more bootinfo struct..., what I was saying?, ah yes, should I grab the > 1.3.x kernel and introduce the changes in, or what ? Wait some minutes - I made a stupid mistake with my patches. They cannot be applied cleanly. I managed to find a streamer that reads my tape and will replace the wrong files in a few minutes. I'll also post an announce. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 16:30:18 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11679 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:30:17 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12885; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:31:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA27401 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:31:23 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06811; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:30:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:30:12 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201530.QAA06811@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201524.QAA14521@nil.fnet.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 849 Lines: 23 Rehi, > I'm just looking the console.c of linux/68k this week-end, and I think > is the only way to make the linux/Mips console faster. > actually console.c is thinking for Text Card. > Linux/68k or linux/Sparc are made for Graphics Card, with good scrool ... Ok, then. Could you please arrange you with Paolo regarding the console driver? I mean, would you both declare yourself responsible for maintaining the console driver? That is, check all patches that come along, and finally forward them to Ralf? Nice, thank you :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 16:32:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11750 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:32:41 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12936; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:33:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06184 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:35:05 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201535.QAA06184@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29848; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:31:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:31:57 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201524.QAA14521@nil.fnet.fr> from "Luc Beurton" at Nov 20, 95 04:24:09 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 558 Lines: 13 > Hi all, > I'm just looking the console.c of linux/68k this week-end, and I think > is the only way to make the linux/Mips console faster. > actually console.c is thinking for Text Card. > Linux/68k or linux/Sparc are made for Graphics Card, with good scrool ... The Linux/68k console for the Amiga makes heavy use of the copper, don't forget this. Sometimes it's an advantage to design a computer as computer game :-) So you should take a look into the Atari code. But as you have an Atari sitting on your desk you'll prefer that anyway :-) Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 16:33:22 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11774 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:33:21 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12972; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:34:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA27456 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:34:30 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06846; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:33:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:33:20 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201533.QAA06846@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <199511201520.QAA00595@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1150 Lines: 30 > > 'Huges' ones from myself ;) Mostly about the NASP, but they need a > kernel update in the same step, and I still have problem with > assembler code in the kernel; I guess it's a stupid error but last > night I got very tired... and debugging in kernel_entry is... well > interesting :) > I know :-) > That's lead me to some questions: I will upload to fnet's FTP patches > on milo to test - before release ?? - with patches on 1.2.11.2 kernel > (from Andy). Yes sorry, I haven't done a backward compatible stuff: no > more bootinfo struct..., what I was saying?, ah yes, should I grab the > 1.3.x kernel and introduce the changes in, or what ? Don't know. That's also a problem. I would actually prefer to stay with 1.2.11.x, but this also depends on how far Ralf is with 1.3.x and working compilers. Any thoughts, Ralf? Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 16:41:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11854 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:41:14 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13175; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:42:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id QAA18967; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:42:08 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id QAA00672; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:41:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201541.QAA00672@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:54:50 +0100." <199511201454.PAA06588@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:41:05 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 26 >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: [SNIP] Andreas> Perhaps not yours, but as Stoned wrote he is (or plans) to Andreas> change the console driver (see below). [SNIP] Andreas> so I ask before: Could you all please summarize what you feel Andreas> responsible for? Or, if this needs to be decided first, come Andreas> to a decision? Andreas> The way is should work is that I don't need to ask around to Andreas> find out who's doing what. Everyone should know whom to send Andreas> patches if he's changing something. Please, I feel responsible for the NASP - no, you didn't guess it ?! :) - I can even, and love to, take over Milo. And about the console, well it's Luc who is (willing?) working on that, and I think there should be a discussion about how introduce the Linux/68k console in the kernel... That's the only way to do some interesting stuff: if I believe what Ralf says to me days ago, and Luc's screams last night when he was comparing the mainstream one and the 68k one :) Cheers, Stoned. From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 16:43:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11878 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:43:46 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13224; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:44:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06647 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:45:43 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201545.QAA06647@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29887; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:42:36 +0100 Subject: Console driver again To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:42:35 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 139 Lines: 6 Hi, just something I forgot - the console driver has been heavily changed in Linux 1.3.39. Maybe you want to take a look at it. Ralf From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 16:37:20 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11798 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:37:19 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13064; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:38:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id QAA00499 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:43:08 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201643.ZM497@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:43:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: Systemkennung Linux "Re: SNI Alliance Partner" (Nov 20, 3:06pm) References: <199511201410.PAA01581@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 642 Lines: 14 On Nov 20, 3:06pm, Systemkennung Linux wrote: > ... The truly evil thing is that I have more > or less no documentation about all the stuff. Guess what fun it is to > disassemble the kernels & libs of a certain company (I won't call names :-) > which is well known for it's graphic computers ... A view things like > complete ABI (not the cutdown version of www.mipsabi.org) or even deeper > documentation could speed up the whole mess a *lot*. > Always on the (missing) docs theme: Are the MIPS R4030 docs available ? There is a part number for it, it's worth to try or they will answer that we can play bingo with this number ? /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 16:49:06 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11913 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:49:05 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13334; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:49:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07031 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:50:19 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201550.QAA07031@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29906; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:47:12 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:47:11 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201533.QAA06846@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 04:33:20 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 805 Lines: 18 Hi, > > That's lead me to some questions: I will upload to fnet's FTP patches > > on milo to test - before release ?? - with patches on 1.2.11.2 kernel > > (from Andy). Yes sorry, I haven't done a backward compatible stuff: no > > more bootinfo struct..., what I was saying?, ah yes, should I grab the > > 1.3.x kernel and introduce the changes in, or what ? > > Don't know. That's also a problem. I would actually prefer to stay > with 1.2.11.x, but this also depends on how far Ralf is with 1.3.x > and working compilers. Linux 1.3.x ist more stable than 1.2. Read: I won't put my hand again on 1.2.x. The choice between GCC 2.7.0 and 2.7.1 is yours. Just don't use 2.7.1 to compile a kernel older than 1.3.37 or copy include/asm-mips/io.h for 1.3.37 or newer into your old kernel. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 16:50:24 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11946 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:50:23 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13443; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:51:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA27907 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:51:31 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06957; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:50:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:50:21 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201550.QAA06957@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <9511201643.ZM497@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 962 Lines: 24 > Always on the (missing) docs theme: Are the MIPS R4030 docs available ? There > is a part number for it, it's worth to try or they will answer that we can play > bingo with this number ? Actually, you got the best docs available with your Olivetti manual. The docs I have from NEC, Acer and Mips don't say more. However, I can send you a copy if you like. Don't ask Mips or any of the silicon manufacturers -- either they won't know what you mean, or they tell you that the Mips/Risc product range isn't supported in Europe. If you want to try nevertheless, contact Mr. Kleinpaul at NEC Europe in Duesseldorf. I got the NEC docs from him. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 16:55:49 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11973 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:55:47 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13626; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:56:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA28016 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:56:57 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA06989; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:55:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:55:46 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201555.QAA06989@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201541.QAA00672@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1130 Lines: 27 > Please, I feel responsible for the NASP - no, you didn't guess it ?! :) > - I can even, and love to, take over Milo. Good. Milo is yours :-) I'll send you patches as soon as possible. Don't forget to update the docs, and also "linux-mips-news.html" on your web server :-) > And about the console, well it's Luc who is (willing?) working on > that, and I think there should be a discussion about how introduce the > Linux/68k console in the kernel... That's the only way to do some > interesting stuff: if I believe what Ralf says to me days ago, and > Luc's screams last night when he was comparing the mainstream one and > the 68k one :) No problem -- I just want to be sure that Luc and/or Paolo agree with that. Paolo is quite important since he's the only one with a lowres Magnum, or am I wrong? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 17:00:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12072 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:42 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13740; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:01:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA28146 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:01:46 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07026; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:00:36 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201600.RAA07026@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: <199511201550.QAA07031@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 908 Lines: 23 > > Linux 1.3.x ist more stable than 1.2. Read: I won't put my hand again on > 1.2.x. The choice between GCC 2.7.0 and 2.7.1 is yours. Just don't use 2.7.1 > to compile a kernel older than 1.3.37 or copy include/asm-mips/io.h for 1.3.37 > or newer into your old kernel. > Ok, then we first need to find out if 1.3.37 still works on Magnums and Oilys. There also was a rPC44. Any news on that? Regarding the compiler: Ralf, is there anyone that could package it? Just make sure that it really works (and I would of course like to see it in /usr/local/, but that's another story :-)). Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From beurton@fnet.fr Mon Nov 20 17:05:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12096 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:05:10 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13835; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:06:17 +0100 (MET) Received: (from beurton@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15209 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:06:19 +0100 From: Luc Beurton Message-Id: <199511201606.RAA15209@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 17:06:19 MET In-Reply-To: <199511201535.QAA06184@informatik.uni-koblenz.de>; from "Systemkennung Linux" at Nov 20, 95 4:31 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 688 Lines: 19 > > > Hi all, > > > I'm just looking the console.c of linux/68k this week-end, and I think > > is the only way to make the linux/Mips console faster. > > actually console.c is thinking for Text Card. > > Linux/68k or linux/Sparc are made for Graphics Card, with good scrool ... > > The Linux/68k console for the Amiga makes heavy use of the copper, don't > forget this. Sometimes it's an advantage to design a computer as > computer game :-) So you should take a look into the Atari code. But > as you have an Atari sitting on your desk you'll prefer that anyway :-) > Yes, but I so a file like amifb.c amiga frame buffer, dont't you think it could be a good hints for us. Luc From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 17:14:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12170 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:14:52 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14102; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:15:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA08276 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:17:30 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201617.RAA08276@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29960; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:14:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:14:23 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201555.QAA06989@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 04:55:46 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1233 Lines: 28 Hi, > > Please, I feel responsible for the NASP - no, you didn't guess it ?! :) > > - I can even, and love to, take over Milo. > > Good. Milo is yours :-) I'll send you patches as soon as possible. > Don't forget to update the docs, and also "linux-mips-news.html" > on your web server :-) > > > And about the console, well it's Luc who is (willing?) working on > > that, and I think there should be a discussion about how introduce the > > Linux/68k console in the kernel... That's the only way to do some > > interesting stuff: if I believe what Ralf says to me days ago, and > > Luc's screams last night when he was comparing the mainstream one and > > the 68k one :) > > No problem -- I just want to be sure that Luc and/or Paolo agree > with that. Paolo is quite important since he's the only one with > a lowres Magnum, or am I wrong? Wayne's monitor forces him to use his Olli in lowres. Oh well, actually he borrowed it to Michael Rausch while he is on holiday. Michael'd like to do something on the Linux port put having a machine without a working is a bit frustrating. So I'd be happy if someone could make a quick & dirty hack for him so that display works at least somehow. Is this possible? Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 17:16:38 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12259 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:16:37 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14161; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:17:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA08345 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:19:12 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201619.RAA08345@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29975; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:16:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:16:04 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201606.RAA15209@nil.fnet.fr> from "Luc Beurton" at Nov 20, 95 05:06:19 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 723 Lines: 19 Hi all, > > > I'm just looking the console.c of linux/68k this week-end, and I think > > > is the only way to make the linux/Mips console faster. > > > actually console.c is thinking for Text Card. > > > Linux/68k or linux/Sparc are made for Graphics Card, with good scrool ... > > > > The Linux/68k console for the Amiga makes heavy use of the copper, don't > > forget this. Sometimes it's an advantage to design a computer as > > computer game :-) So you should take a look into the Atari code. But > > as you have an Atari sitting on your desk you'll prefer that anyway :-) > > > > Yes, but I so a file like amifb.c amiga frame buffer, dont't you think > it could be a good hints for us. Of course :-) Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 17:21:43 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12342 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:21:42 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14650; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:21:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA08481 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:23:27 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201623.RAA08481@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA29993; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:20:20 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:20:19 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201600.RAA07026@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 05:00:36 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 575 Lines: 14 Hi, > Ok, then we first need to find out if 1.3.37 still works on Magnums > and Oilys. There also was a rPC44. Any news on that? > Regarding the compiler: Ralf, is there anyone that could package > it? Just make sure that it really works (and I would of course > like to see it in /usr/local/, but that's another story :-)). The it is more interesting for me whether 1.3.39 still works on Oily. Linus' patch heavily changed the console and I tried my best to port Andy's hacks for a graphic console to it. Could someone verify if 1.3.39 is still working on Olli? Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 17:24:16 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12370 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:24:15 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14725; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:25:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA28825 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:25:11 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07166; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:24:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:24:00 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201624.RAA07166@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201617.RAA08276@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1088 Lines: 24 > Wayne's monitor forces him to use his Olli in lowres. Oh well, actually > he borrowed it to Michael Rausch while he is on holiday. Michael'd > like to do something on the Linux port put having a machine without > a working is a bit frustrating. So I'd be happy if someone could > make a quick & dirty hack for him so that display works at least somehow. > Is this possible? If I understand Paolo right, the lowres mode just doesn't use the second ram bank. If you want readable output, skip each second scan line. Is that right? (I feel it is since it's mentioned somewhere in the G364 docs that interleaved memory banks are necessary to get resolutions higher than 1024x768). On the other hand, I run my Magnum in lowres mode, but with a highres card. This works fine. Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 17:25:24 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12391 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:25:22 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14750; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:26:12 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id RAA00526 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:30:49 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201730.ZM524@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:30:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 3:54pm) References: <199511201454.PAA06588@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 31 On Nov 20, 3:54pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > ... > > But back to the original problem: I really want to see a realistic > chance for getting a SNI box to the same state as the Jazz boxes, > and within a certain time. This is not only a question of "who takes > care of this baby", it's also a question of the general rules here. > I know that it isn't fun, but I believe that we need to definitely > assign project parts to people. The way it worked (or not worked) > until now is a no-go. > I don't want to decide about who's doing what, so I ask before: > Could you all please summarize what you feel responsible for? > Or, if this needs to be decided first, come to a decision? > > The way is should work is that I don't need to ask around to find > out who's doing what. Everyone should know whom to send patches if > he's changing something. > Also, just hoping that someone else will fix or write this and > that don't work. If you think something needs to be written (such > as scsi driver), either do it yourself or bother people until > someone is willing to do it for you. Never just sit down and dream > of it. It won't come. > Ok. This is what i'd like to do, subjected to manage a fix for my low res board: - completation of the fast console driver - SCSI driver /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 17:38:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12514 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:38:10 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15124; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:39:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29168 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:39:19 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07272; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:38:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:38:08 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201638.RAA07272@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <9511201730.ZM524@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 896 Lines: 25 Hi again! > Ok. This is what i'd like to do, subjected to manage a fix for my low res > board: > - completation of the fast console driver > - SCSI driver Great! Please contact Luc and Ralf regarding the console driver, both in 1.2.11.x as well as 1.3.x. Regarding SCSI: Is there anything you need? I can send you some code snippets. Also, you should contact Drew Eckhard as well as Per Fogelstroem . If you want to have docs, forget about calling NCR. They build electronic cash systems, not chips :-) Jokes aside, if you want 53C94 docs, I'll get them for you. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 17:42:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12569 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:42:01 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15277; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:42:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id RAA19360; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:42:27 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id RAA01052; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:41:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201641.RAA01052@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:20:19 +0100." <199511201623.RAA08481@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:41:26 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 431 Lines: 10 >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: [SNIP] Ralf> The it is more interesting for me whether 1.3.39 still works on Ralf> Oily. Linus' patch heavily changed the console and I tried my Ralf> best to port Andy's hacks for a graphic console to it. Could Ralf> someone verify if 1.3.39 is still working on Olli? Of course, but what about the diffs bug you were speaking about ? Cheers, Stoned. From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 17:49:04 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12616 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:49:03 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15570; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:50:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id RAA00545 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:54:35 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201754.ZM543@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:54:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: Systemkennung Linux "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 5:14pm) References: <199511201617.RAA08276@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 600 Lines: 14 On Nov 20, 5:14pm, Systemkennung Linux wrote: > ... > Wayne's monitor forces him to use his Olli in lowres. Oh well, actually > he borrowed it to Michael Rausch while he is on holiday. Michael'd > like to do something on the Linux port put having a machine without > a working is a bit frustrating. So I'd be happy if someone could > make a quick & dirty hack for him so that display works at least somehow. > Is this possible? > I can easily hack an initialization routine to put the video in vesa 11 mode, 1024x768 @ 60Hz with a dot clock of 65MHz, does his monitor support this mode ? /pab From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 17:55:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12682 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:54:59 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15706; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:55:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id RAA19451; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:55:56 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id RAA01122; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:55:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201655.RAA01122@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:38:08 +0100." <199511201638.RAA07272@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:54:55 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 431 Lines: 15 Hi, >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: [SNIP] Andreas> not chips :-) Jokes aside, if you want 53C94 docs, I'll get Andreas> them for you. And with Ralf we had grabbed on Linux/Sparc FTP - hi you people, is you mail ok Pete ? ;) - a bunch of file describing various NCR SCSI chips: we believe the Oily/Magnum/Acer(?) one is in there: I will send it over you tonight, it's at home. Cheers, Stoned. From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 17:54:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA12661 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:54:10 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15688; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:55:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id RAA00550 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:59:45 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201759.ZM548@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:59:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 5:24pm) References: <199511201624.RAA07166@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1178 Lines: 25 On Nov 20, 5:24pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] > > > Wayne's monitor forces him to use his Olli in lowres. Oh well, actually > > he borrowed it to Michael Rausch while he is on holiday. Michael'd > > like to do something on the Linux port put having a machine without > > a working is a bit frustrating. So I'd be happy if someone could > > make a quick & dirty hack for him so that display works at least somehow. > > Is this possible? > > If I understand Paolo right, the lowres mode just doesn't use > the second ram bank. If you want readable output, skip each > second scan line. Is that right? (I feel it is since it's > mentioned somewhere in the G364 docs that interleaved memory > banks are necessary to get resolutions higher than 1024x768). > On the other hand, I run my Magnum in lowres mode, but with > a highres card. This works fine. > I'm afraid that isn't so easy. Interleaved memory banks are necessary to support a 'real' true color mode at 24BPP, not high resolutions. Anway none of the known G364 boards supports that. And if i skip scan lines i just get taller characters, but always garbled. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 18:08:24 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12810 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:08:23 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16046; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:09:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA29965 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:09:36 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07515; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:08:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:08:24 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201708.SAA07515@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201655.RAA01122@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1021 Lines: 24 > And with Ralf we had grabbed on Linux/Sparc FTP - hi you people, is > you mail ok Pete ? ;) - a bunch of file describing various NCR SCSI > chips: we believe the Oily/Magnum/Acer(?) one is in there: I will send > it over you tonight, it's at home. That's good. However, don't forget that the scsi stuff in the magnum depends on the DMA page tables. I suggest to use global in/out buffers first, and when the driver seems to work to choose a better page allocation scheme. Otherwise you'll end up in a halfway working driver like the Sonic (which I claim to be responsible for :-( ). To get an idea, take a look at the floppy driver. It uses statically allocated track buffers and DMA page tables. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 18:17:10 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12865 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:17:09 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16321; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:18:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA10838 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:19:56 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201719.SAA10838@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01294; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:16:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:16:47 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201624.RAA07166@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 05:24:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1164 Lines: 25 Hi, > > Wayne's monitor forces him to use his Olli in lowres. Oh well, actually > > he borrowed it to Michael Rausch while he is on holiday. Michael'd > > like to do something on the Linux port put having a machine without > > a working is a bit frustrating. So I'd be happy if someone could > > make a quick & dirty hack for him so that display works at least somehow. > > Is this possible? > > If I understand Paolo right, the lowres mode just doesn't use > the second ram bank. If you want readable output, skip each > second scan line. Is that right? (I feel it is since it's > mentioned somewhere in the G364 docs that interleaved memory > banks are necessary to get resolutions higher than 1024x768). > On the other hand, I run my Magnum in lowres mode, but with > a highres card. This works fine. Well, this fails for Wayne's configuration. By that way - the Olli setup offers three different screen settings. Hires and lowres and a third one with the same resolution like one the first two but different vertical scan rate. Dunno believe this is the problem, but just in case ... Can you try to read out the registers of the G364? Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 18:28:03 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12931 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:28:02 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16656; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:29:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00498 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:29:13 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07773; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:28:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:28:02 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201728.SAA07773@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201719.SAA10838@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1058 Lines: 27 > Well, this fails for Wayne's configuration. By that way - the Olli setup > offers three different screen settings. Hires and lowres and a third one > with the same resolution like one the first two but different vertical > scan rate. Dunno believe this is the problem, but just in case ... Hmm. I had only two choices: Lo and Hi res... > Can you try to read out the registers of the G364? Sorry, but my Magnum and Oily collection currently resides in the "unused or unusable hardware stock". My desktop is fullfilled with Windoze shit and I go crazy with virtual, ah sorry, visual basic. I never thought that I would do such shit, not even for money... I'll find a place for the Magnum soon, but definitely not before Wednesday. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 18:50:56 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13191 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:50:55 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17216; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:51:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA11925 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:53:04 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201753.SAA11925@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01459; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:49:56 +0100 Subject: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:49:56 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2499 Lines: 55 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I've uploaded the following files to ftp.fnet.fr. Some of them replace old, bad files, others are new. For your convencience I also uploaded a new, full .tar.gz archive of the kernel. The patches for the GNU libc are still in aaalphaaa state. To use them you need a snapshot of the full sources from alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu:/pub/roland/. Bootstrapping them is pain in the (you know) ... Though this release is primarily for your pleasure. bs-glibc-0.01.tar.gz contains the configparams file that I use for building GNU libc. You'll probably wan't to edit it. Think twice before 'make install'. The configure script isn't very good suitable for crosscompiling. You might accidently overwrite some binaries of your host system with MIPS binaries ... The archive also contains a directory bs-include/ which you have to install where your ELF (!) compiler looks for it's includes. In my case this is /usr/mipsel-linuxelf/include/. You'll have to fix the asm and linux symlinks. Then configure the sources with something like the following command: configure --build=i486-linux mipsel-linux Though the target will be in ELF binary format don't configure for mipsel-linuxelf - configure can't handle this. Compiling for big endian targets (mips-linux) should also work but is untested. Ralf (Luc, Stoned: Could you please put the GNU libc stuff in a new directory?) 9ab420c2a67ebaf7f1871b0f653111b4 glibc/bs-glibc-0.01.tar.gz 1d419c3360e2357fe79d3afe5c269c02 glibc/libc-951111.diffs.gz 5850ff5673896775de9c70f4f7c14657 glibc/libc-951116.diffs.gz e6178d96724bfa980fc830558e7a70bd linux-1.3.0.tar.gz bc185ddd294613f134eff26d59008683 linux-1.3.39.tar.gz a54b4d916a307321996e466f4ffdad2b linux-1.3.17-1.3.18.diffs.gz f55f5fb91633452a908addae48f6d648 linux-1.3.3-1.3.4.diffs.gz eca855798abea440d444463ff8bb2a12 linux-1.3.33-1.3.34.diffs.gz 0c7efbe2cb38aef76881ec86ec6c79e2 linux-1.3.34-1.3.35.diffs.gz 5f5faf606cd41ee14adf22202cb89dc2 linux-1.3.8-1.3.9.diffs.gz 500556c4c9d78950d56da43942531d25 linux-1.3.36-1.3.37.diffs.gz 3e4f1953bc6179d66e7892355355934d linux-1.3.37-1.3.38.diffs.gz 9b66f61939863979a8121b07642b1137 linux-1.3.38-1.3.39.diffs.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMLC/sEckbl6vezDBAQF0twP+NuGNHm+FogIKhlOwzYq7SVy1+P+1nKJF ecjBWqlXb9WZyUIcsLAwNRP+aIuZovF+zn17v/8JDM4UlRLobMtDc+U5ywH6qhMV y3wVWhdafhyydlcRn8YhQ7g2hgBou9ejXkTmNv2sUSI4YBQA0bvAQt0IyrnM+tur 4eQdYeF1dn0= =sUG4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 18:54:12 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13218 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:54:11 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17304; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:54:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA11992 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:55:48 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201755.SAA11992@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01468; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:52:41 +0100 Subject: Re: SNI Alliance Partner To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:52:40 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201641.RAA01052@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 20, 95 05:41:26 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 559 Lines: 15 Hi, > >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: > [SNIP] > Ralf> The it is more interesting for me whether 1.3.39 still works on > Ralf> Oily. Linus' patch heavily changed the console and I tried my > Ralf> best to port Andy's hacks for a graphic console to it. Could > Ralf> someone verify if 1.3.39 is still working on Olli? > > Of course, but what about the diffs bug you were speaking about ? You'll get .rej files when patching. But anyway - I've uploaded the changed files to lena, so move 'em online :-) Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 18:57:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13242 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:57:16 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17377; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:57:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA12137 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:59:35 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201759.SAA12137@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01480; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:56:28 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:56:27 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511201754.ZM543@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 20, 95 05:54:35 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 874 Lines: 21 Hi, > On Nov 20, 5:14pm, Systemkennung Linux wrote: > > ... > > Wayne's monitor forces him to use his Olli in lowres. Oh well, actually > > he borrowed it to Michael Rausch while he is on holiday. Michael'd > > like to do something on the Linux port put having a machine without > > a working is a bit frustrating. So I'd be happy if someone could > > make a quick & dirty hack for him so that display works at least somehow. > > Is this possible? > > > > I can easily hack an initialization routine to put the video in vesa 11 mode, > 1024x768 @ 60Hz with a dot clock of 65MHz, does his monitor support this mode ? The monitor synchronises the frequency from the BIOS; however the kernel crashes before it prints something. Milo at the same time seems to be working without trouble. Suppose that means that the console doesn't handle the low resolution. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 18:58:48 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA13264 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:58:47 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17416; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:59:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12152 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:00:50 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201800.TAA12152@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01489; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:57:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:57:42 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201655.RAA01122@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 20, 95 05:54:55 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 508 Lines: 15 > Hi, > > >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: > [SNIP] > Andreas> not chips :-) Jokes aside, if you want 53C94 docs, I'll get > Andreas> them for you. > > And with Ralf we had grabbed on Linux/Sparc FTP - hi you people, is > you mail ok Pete ? ;) - a bunch of file describing various NCR SCSI > chips: we believe the Oily/Magnum/Acer(?) one is in there: I will send > it over you tonight, it's at home. Or get it from ftp.uni-mainz.de:/pub/Linux/arch/sparc/NCR/ or so. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 19:07:53 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13401 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:07:52 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17727; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:08:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01576 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:09:02 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08035; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:07:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:07:50 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201807.TAA08035@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511201753.SAA11925@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2120 Lines: 44 > > The patches for the GNU libc are still in aaalphaaa state. To use them you > need a snapshot of the full sources from alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu:/pub/roland/. > Bootstrapping them is pain in the (you know) ... Though this release is > primarily for your pleasure. > > bs-glibc-0.01.tar.gz contains the configparams file that I use for building > GNU libc. You'll probably wan't to edit it. Think twice before 'make install'. > The configure script isn't very good suitable for crosscompiling. You might > accidently overwrite some binaries of your host system with MIPS binaries ... > The archive also contains a directory bs-include/ which you have to install > where your ELF (!) compiler looks for it's includes. In my case this is > /usr/mipsel-linuxelf/include/. You'll have to fix the asm and linux symlinks. > Then configure the sources with something like the following command: > > configure --build=i486-linux mipsel-linux > > Though the target will be in ELF binary format don't configure for > mipsel-linuxelf - configure can't handle this. Compiling for big endian > targets (mips-linux) should also work but is untested. > Hum... I don't want to bother you with details, but isn't that (again) the beginning of more hassle, just as with the compiler sources? I've nothing against uploading sources, but these should either be somewhere for completelyness only, or you must describe much more detailled what you've done to compile them. Don't you think so? It would be way better if you just upload binaries and tell people not to try to build them themself as long there isn't a complete HOWTO-COMPILE-THE-LIB! Or do you expect contributions? If this is the case, you need to tell us what exactly should be tested and debugged. Do you know what I mean? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 19:16:20 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13451 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:16:17 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17963; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:17:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA01800 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:17:28 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08095; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:16:16 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:16:16 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201816.TAA08095@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201759.SAA12137@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1017 Lines: 25 > The monitor synchronises the frequency from the BIOS; however the kernel > crashes before it prints something. Milo at the same time seems to be working > without trouble. Suppose that means that the console doesn't handle the low > resolution. Impossible. I run my Magnum with Lowres since my monitor can't handle highres too. To be more precise: I wrote the driver using the lowres mode! When I remember right, Wayne reported problems with the audio hardware. Not that it is used for something, but perhaps this box is more or less damaged. If someone can give me configuration hints, I could verify this with Stefan's Oily (also residing in the "unused or unusable hardware" department). Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 19:32:31 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13673 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:32:30 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18230; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:29:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA12886 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:30:37 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201830.TAA12886@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01623; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:27:29 +0100 Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:27:28 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201807.TAA08035@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 07:07:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 927 Lines: 22 Hi, > Hum... I don't want to bother you with details, but isn't that (again) > the beginning of more hassle, just as with the compiler sources? > I've nothing against uploading sources, but these should either be > somewhere for completelyness only, or you must describe much more > detailled what you've done to compile them. Don't you think so? > > It would be way better if you just upload binaries and tell people > not to try to build them themself as long there isn't a complete > HOWTO-COMPILE-THE-LIB! Or do you expect contributions? If this is the > case, you need to tell us what exactly should be tested and debugged. Citing myself - "for your pleasure". Nothing else. > Do you know what I mean? There is a README and a INSTALL file in the full source tree. Read it. I don't think it's my duty to repeat libc's documentation. There rest should be relativly obvious for someone who has read it ... Ralf From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 19:22:27 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13518 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:22:27 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18119; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:23:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id TAA00581 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:28:00 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511201927.ZM579@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:27:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: Systemkennung Linux "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 6:56pm) References: <199511201759.SAA12137@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 469 Lines: 14 On Nov 20, 6:56pm, Systemkennung Linux wrote: > ... > The monitor synchronises the frequency from the BIOS; however the kernel > crashes before it prints something. Milo at the same time seems to be working > without trouble. Suppose that means that the console doesn't handle the low > resolution. > Hmm... no, at least in the current version the console driver doesn't care about the resolution, it just writes to the buffer. at least as i understood ... /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Nov 20 19:35:04 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13697 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:35:04 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18489; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:35:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA13130 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:37:26 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511201837.TAA13130@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA01634; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:34:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:34:18 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201816.TAA08095@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 07:16:16 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1171 Lines: 29 Hi, > Impossible. I run my Magnum with Lowres since my monitor can't > handle highres too. To be more precise: I wrote the driver using > the lowres mode! Hmmm ... Is ti posible that Linux tries to write it's output to some unused part of the video memory that it never being displayed. > When I remember right, Wayne reported problems with the audio > hardware. Not that it is used for something, but perhaps this > box is more or less damaged. We already had the same idea. Unfortunately we don't have any software that is supposed to be working on the Olli. Well, except that we might try to install RISC/os from one of Waldorf's CDs. Did anyone every try that? If someone can give me configuration > hints, I could verify this with Stefan's Oily (also residing in > the "unused or unusable hardware" department). Well, we tried to install various versions of WNT on the Oily to verify that it's working. The machine always crashes at a more or less random point. From what Stoned told me this was what we had to excpect because MS doesn't support the Oily anymore. Milo however works always and the kernel never. Ralf From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 19:37:57 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13721 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:37:56 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18524; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:39:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id TAA00598; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:38:56 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id TAA01517; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:38:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201838.TAA01517@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: DEC5000 tftp booting X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:37:55 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 537 Lines: 16 Hi all, Paul Antoine, managed to dig in the Digital docs and figure out how to boot a DECStation 5000/2x by tftp. So he had written a little how-to about it, you can find it in: ftp.fnet.fr:/linux-mips/doc/DEC/DEC5000-2X-tftpboot Hope this will help DEC people on this list. Cheers, Stoned. PS/ Luc has serious problem with procmail that still prevent Paul to post on the list, but he do read us, and can be reached at . rePS/ If someone know Mister Bugless, I think he can tell some from Luc to him... :) From lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com Mon Nov 20 21:14:50 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA16292 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:14:49 +0100 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20584; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:15:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for <@sgi.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr> id MAA16452; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:15:37 -0800 Received: from slovax.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id KAA26769; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:42:15 -0800 Received: from localhost by slovax.engr.sgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21188; Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:42:08 PST Message-Id: <9511201842.AA21188@slovax.engr.sgi.com> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr From: lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Subject: Current mips port status? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 10:42:08 -0800 Sender: lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com Content-Length: 468 Lines: 11 Hi folks, lots of talk on this alias but I somehow failed to get an idea of where the mips port stands today. Could someone summarize? Also, on the topic of cross development. It occurred to me that if someone where to port SGI's efs to Linux, then IRIX could easily be used to dual host Linux and IRIX. SGI is moving to XFS, they might be willing to donate a port of efs. Do all those boxes you have out there run IRIX or is this an uninteresting idea? --lm From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 19:45:35 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13784 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:45:34 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18673; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:46:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id TAA00630; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:46:20 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id TAA01549; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:45:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201845.TAA01549@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Olli Video In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:16:16 +0100." <199511201816.TAA08095@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:45:18 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 1304 Lines: 28 >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: >> The monitor synchronises the frequency from the BIOS; however the >> kernel crashes before it prints something. Milo at the same time Kernel crashing on a Olly, it's impossible with the conjunction milo 0.25 and kernel 1.2.11.2 !! ;) Joke aside this monitor/g364 stuff is getting boring, but the kernel should be working... >> seems to be working without trouble. Suppose that means that the >> console doesn't handle the low resolution. Andreas> Impossible. I run my Magnum with Lowres since my monitor Andreas> can't handle highres too. To be more precise: I wrote the Andreas> driver using the lowres mode! Andreas> When I remember right, Wayne reported problems with the audio Andreas> hardware. Not that it is used for something, but perhaps this Andreas> box is more or less damaged. If someone can give me Andreas> configuration hints, I could verify this with Stefan's Oily Andreas> (also residing in the "unused or unusable hardware" Andreas> department). Hum,... at least memory is good, in fact it's the only box on wich my little oilyram program worked - beside the Parisien one, which was found in a trash box, I recall it :). Anyway what exactly do you want Andy when you talk about 'configuration hints' ? Stoned. From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 19:47:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13805 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:47:17 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18691; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:48:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02548 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:48:32 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08304; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:47:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:47:20 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201847.TAA08304@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511201830.TAA12886@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 29 > > Citing myself - "for your pleasure". Nothing else. > > > Do you know what I mean? > > There is a README and a INSTALL file in the full source tree. Read it. > I don't think it's my duty to repeat libc's documentation. There rest > should be relativly obvious for someone who has read it ... > Great. But you missed the point. Don't tell people something like "then configure it with something like ...". Either exactly describe the configuration *you* used to succeed, or nothing at all. Sorry for being so pedantic, but it was so often the case that necessary or special configurations parameter weren't mentioned that I believe it's better to say nothing instead of some vague explanations that might lead to frustration only. Ok? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 19:55:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13865 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:55:50 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18847; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:56:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02751 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:57:02 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08367; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:55:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:55:50 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201855.TAA08367@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201837.TAA13130@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1638 Lines: 40 > > Hmmm ... Is ti posible that Linux tries to write it's output to some > unused part of the video memory that it never being displayed. > No. The first 768 kBytes are used, no matter what size the frame buffer is. > We already had the same idea. Unfortunately we don't have any software > that is supposed to be working on the Olli. Well, except that we might > try to install RISC/os from one of Waldorf's CDs. Did anyone every try > that? Do you have a spare 500 Meg disk? :-) > > Well, we tried to install various versions of WNT on the Oily to verify > that it's working. The machine always crashes at a more or less random > point. From what Stoned told me this was what we had to excpect because > MS doesn't support the Oily anymore. Milo however works always and the > kernel never. > Which leads to the assumption that there must be something wrong with this box. As long it isn't clear where the kernel crashes I cannot tell you if it has to do with the console driver. Which I doubt anyway since it works on Stoned's box and also ran on Stefan's. Let's assume that the framebuffer is ok. Then it should be possible to add some debug stuff (drawline() comes in mind) to the early initialization code. Once you know where the box crashes we can say if it has to do with the console or not. Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 19:58:57 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13890 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:58:57 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18930; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:59:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA02841 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:00:05 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA08374; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:58:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:58:53 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201858.TAA08374@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Olli Video In-Reply-To: <199511201845.TAA01549@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 671 Lines: 18 > Hum,... at least memory is good, in fact it's the only box on wich my > little oilyram program worked - beside the Parisien one, which was > found in a trash box, I recall it :). Anyway what exactly do you want > Andy when you talk about 'configuration hints' ? Oh well, I've never tried to configure an Oily box. What must I do to switch video modes etc.? Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 20:07:56 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14057 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:07:55 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19154; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:09:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id UAA00675; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:08:58 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id UAA01643; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:08:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201908.UAA01643@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:34:18 +0100." <199511201837.TAA13130@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:07:56 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 777 Lines: 17 >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: [SNIP] Ralf> Well, we tried to install various versions of WNT on the Oily to Ralf> verify that it's working. The machine always crashes at a more Ralf> or less random point. From what Stoned told me this was what we Ralf> had to excpect because MS doesn't support the Oily anymore. Ralf> Milo however works always and the kernel never. Hum,... I'm not so sure about no support for Olly in WNT, all I know is that I had tried about 4 or 5 version (only different from the compilation number, which is indicated between '[' ']' if I recall well: only two among them can be installed and ''''used''''''''' I'll try to do another install, just to be sure about the correct version number... Stoned. From andy@soft-n-hard.de Mon Nov 20 20:19:01 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14110 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:00 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19441; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:20:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA03439 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:20:13 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA08493; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:19:02 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511201919.UAA08493@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511201908.UAA01643@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1569 Lines: 35 > Ralf> Well, we tried to install various versions of WNT on the Oily to > Ralf> verify that it's working. The machine always crashes at a more > Ralf> or less random point. From what Stoned told me this was what we > Ralf> had to excpect because MS doesn't support the Oily anymore. > Ralf> Milo however works always and the kernel never. What *exactly* happens, actually? No output at all, or what? > > Hum,... I'm not so sure about no support for Olly in WNT, all I know > is that I had tried about 4 or 5 version (only different from the > compilation number, which is indicated between '[' ']' if I recall > well: only two among them can be installed and ''''used''''''''' > > I'll try to do another install, just to be sure about the correct > version number... > I don't think that it's worth finding out which NT runs on the Oily. Wayne said that the box fails during the audio test, which definitely worked on Stefan's Oily. I rather believe that there is some more or less serious hardware bug preventing the kernel to come up. Either we find a workaround, or the box should be returned to "Applied Personal Computing" where we got it from. Unfortunally the usual half-year warranty has been gone by waiting for matching Rams... Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 20 20:29:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14223 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:29:54 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19715; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:30:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id UAA00734; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:30:55 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id UAA01692; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:30:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199511201930.UAA01692@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Olli Video In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:58:53 +0100." <199511201858.TAA08374@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:29:54 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 30 >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: [SNIP] Andreas> Oh well, I've never tried to configure an Oily box. What must Andreas> I do to switch video modes etc.? Recall the 2.88Mo configuration floppy, yes ? So get all this floppy on a floppy of the right size and put it in a floppy drive of also the right size... If you don't have any of these wonderfull 2.88Mo award items all you can do is to put all the floppy contents in a directory on a hard disk: what I do usually - from time to time this spare disk is involved in other stuff ;) - is extracting all the disks (1 to 4) in \olli in a little FAT partition, then add a env variable for convience from the 'system services' prompt: it's something like >setenv C:=scsi(0)disk()rdisk()partition() Well it's a standard ARC BIOS path, I don't recall the exact syntax right now. Then issue on the 'system services' prompt something like: >A:\SD.EXE - if you're lucky enough to be 2.88Mo equipped >C:\SD.EXE - otherwise Then it's an usual PC/EISA configuration software, you will find the video parameters by looking the details of 'motherboard' in the EISA card listing. Cheers, Stoned. PS/ Hum,... I guess all the Magnum and Olli disks are not anymore on the FTP, something to fix... From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 20 20:42:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA15577 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:42:24 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19963; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:43:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id UAA00610 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:48:11 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511202048.ZM608@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:48:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner]" (Nov 20, 8:19pm) References: <199511201919.UAA08493@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 397 Lines: 12 On Nov 20, 8:19pm, Andreas Busse wrote: > ... > Either we find a workaround, or the box should be > returned to "Applied Personal Computing" where we got it from. > Unfortunally the usual half-year warranty has been gone by waiting > for matching Rams... > Before you re-trash it, do you think the video board can be used on a mag ? I'm starting to be bored too by my low-res problem ... /pab From imp@rover.village.org Tue Nov 21 06:27:04 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA19585 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:27:03 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01588; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:28:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA07095 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:28:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199511210528.WAA07095@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:49:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:28:04 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 743 Lines: 17 I'll be happy to build and upload a cross compiler for FreeBSD. I'd build the library too, but it sounds a little too raw to do that just yet (correct me if I'm wrong). I will not be able to do this for NT/MIPS because the compilers there gave me so much trouble I reformatted the hard disk (well, I had a disk die and needed the disk for production use). Also, I sent a bunch of patches off to Andreas about a month ago for the Deskstation. Didn't you get them Andy? If not, I'll be happy to resend them. I've just started a new job (with Drew, no less), so my free time went from quite high to rather low. I've developed a backlog of projects, so it may take until after the first of the year to get that backlog cleared out. Warner From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 09:08:43 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20143 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:08:43 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04409; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:09:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA22855 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:54:56 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA16047; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:53:45 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:53:45 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511210653.HAA16047@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Current mips port status? In-Reply-To: <9511201842.AA21188@slovax.engr.sgi.com> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1946 Lines: 45 Hi Larry and all, > > Hi folks, > lots of talk on this alias but I somehow failed to get an idea of > where the mips port stands today. Could someone summarize? A bit complicated, but I'll try. Please correct me if I'm wrong: Kernel 1.2.11.x: tested and works on all Jazz platforms, ie. Acer PICA, Mips Magnum, Olivetti M700. Kernel 1.3.39: works on Acer PICA, other platforms need testing Drivers: Console, KB, Floppy, parallel, serial ok (on Jazz) Filesystems: only ext2fs (others may work too, but not tested) User Code: runs on all Jazz boxes C-Library: under way (based on the GNU libc instead the Linux-libc) Crossdev: upgrade to gcc-2.7.1 under way other Platforms: status unknown. I believe the rPC44 comes to the point where it tries to run /etc/init or the like. Plans: SCSI and lowres console drivers for Jazz, port to SNI RM200. > > Also, on the topic of cross development. It occurred to me that if > someone where to port SGI's efs to Linux, then IRIX could easily be > used to dual host Linux and IRIX. SGI is moving to XFS, they might be > willing to donate a port of efs. Do all those boxes you have out there > run IRIX or is this an uninteresting idea? Unfortunally not a single box runs Irix. The "official" statement of SGI is that they do not want to have Linux to run on a SGI. Don't know what's going on inofficially, but no matter what: An EFS port to Linux would be a very interesting thing. The only problem is that Irix is big endian whereas Linux/MIPS is little endian. If you can manage to make SGI release EFS code or at least sufficient docs, you would do the world a favour! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 08:44:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA20033 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:44:23 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA03885; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:45:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA24153 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:45:25 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16331; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:44:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:44:13 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511210744.IAA16331@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: fwd: Re: Project flow... X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 10079 Lines: 254 Hi all, Paul Antoine sent me this directly (cause he can't post to the list). Why actually? Anyway, I believe this is of general interest again, so I hope you don't mind, Paul, if I post my answer. > > Hi Andy, > > As you probably know from Stoned, I can read the list, but not post > which is *very* frustrating because I have been doing a *lot* of work > in the last couple of weeks on the DECStation port. I will therefore > send this to you directly: > > > Glad to see a substantial response to my concerns :-) > > So... > > Well, I do worry, and I want Linux for MIPS to be a reality. > > > With the current "project flow", if one can call it so, I doubt > > that we can make any realistic estimations on what takes how much > > time. Fact is that max. 10% of the people on the list do 90% of > > the work, and IMHO not always the "right thing", myself included. > > This is a very general project management problem: one of the key > roles in being a project manager of technical people is in setting > short-term goals, otherwise technical types tend to go off and > do what it most interesting to them. Sure, I know. In my past life at Waldorf I always was on both sides, on the technical and on the management side. With Linux/MIPS, I rather find myself on the management side since I have little time to spend in technical things. And even if, I prefer "better-than- nothing" solutions over none at all. Those of us who are able to take a look at commercial source trees (no names here :-)) will agree that this code often looks ugly. But it seems to work! > > > I actually gave up trying to manage the Linux/MIPS project because > > I didn't had the feeling that someone cares about what I say or > > not. Anyway, doesn't matter. > > Well, I do! But as Managing Director, I only sometimes get a little > time to work on this. > > > But if I had to decide about further activities just as with a > > commercial project, I would say: It failed, forget about it. > > The most important role that I thought was being fulfilled by > Ralf was that of 'master source tree co-ordinator'. Linus has done > this for the rest of the tree - we need someone to do it for MIPS > until there is enough of the tree for Linus to take over. Actually, this is the only point I'm not worrying about. Ralf did a good job with maintaining the kernel source tree, although he also tends to super-optimized code. > > > Fortunally this is no commercial project, but if everyone on the > > list would think about the project and his specific parts as if it > > would be one, things might change. The general rule of thumb > > shouldn't be "is it fun?" but "does it help?" to work on a specific > > part of Linux/MIPS. Otherwise it'll never become real fun :-( > > This is very true. I have been very frustrated with the stuff that has > been made available. I have tried 5 or 6 times to get the 1.2.x tree > patched up with *no* failed patches to 1.2.11, but I cannot. The > patches are bizarre, and simply won't patch one after the other > without considerable work. I can make a full 1.2.11.x archive available, if you like. Just let me know. > This leads me to your next point, with > which I totally agree: > > > > At a first glance we need to consider: > > > - availability of a robust crossdev env. > > Which must be available in BINARY form - I don't want to have to > recompile the compilers! That's what I say :-) > > > > - the ubiquitous MILO in some reincarnation > > > - support for console and disk > > Both of the above also need the source code re-organisation I spoke > of in one of my mails. I would do it, but I'm damned if I can get > a source tree that looks like the one Ralf etc. are working on, because > as I said above, the bloody patches don't work as I think they should > i.e. CLEANLY! > > > > - port of the basic utilities > > Again, they need to be in binary form. Also agreed. I don't want to play around with sources that I'm not working on. It's just waste of time. > > > It is, of course, very important that Ralf works on GCC. But I > > really cannot understand why there's still no reliable binary > > distribution. I don't think that one person should hack GCC and > > another one puts it together. We've seen that with gcc-2.6.3 -- > > the binary I've made had a bug resulting in a keyboard driver > > problem. Nobody noticed that simply because everyone grabs the > > source and builds his own compiler. Why??? > > I agree! Thanks for putting up the binary fo 2.6.3 - it saved me > *lots* of time. > > > Similar with Milo: Months ago I asked for patches since Milo > > is more than due for an update. What have I got? Nothing. > > Well to be fair, some people do have a lot to do in the 'outside' > world, but yes, a simple release of 'what you know', whether it > be source in alpha, or a bit of doco is *very* important to the > other people that might be working on it with you. Matt Messier > refused to release any of his work until he'd got it going a > bit better. I had time to work on it, he did not, and has not got > back to me, which meant that I had to go off on my own. You're perfectly right -- a lot of work has been done already. But it wasn't coordinated so probably none of us can tell someone where the project as a whole actually stands. > > At least I can now boot using tftp! > Congrats!! > > Console: Well, console works for me. It's slow, yes. But is this > > a problem? Are there any critical applications that need a super- > > optimized console driver? > > NO! > > > What should be fixed is the lowres problem on the Magnum. And > > if the fix increases speed, wonderful! But the problem is not that > > it is slow, or am I wrong? > > CORRECT! Well, then. I don't want to repeat myself, but we really should be a goal to fix problems before trying to optimize low-priority parts of the project. > > > Disk: Yeah, would be great if we had a scsi driver, at least for > > the Jazz family. Volunteers welcome! I would throw code and docs > > after him! > > You did so much good work on the DMA - I thought you were close to > having the ethernet driver going, and that the SCSI would follow > shortly thereafter. Most of the chips are the same as those on > the PC (even in the DECStation the ethernet is lance, and the SCSI > is NCR 59C94), so what's the problem with everyone working on this? Well, the Jazz ethernet chip isn't a lance (it's a Sonic) but I must admit that I should spend more time into the driver. Regarding SCSI: I'm willing to help whereever necessary. The DMA stuff isn't that complicated as one might think, so... > > > Basic Tools: Guess we shouldn't even think about this before we > > have a scsi driver. Or do we want to run everything from a > > 16 Meg ramdisk? Heard about SoftRam for Windows? We should > > port it to Linux/MIPS :-) > > Network booting would get everyone's compile-link-load-test cycle > working faster, I would think. You're right. As I already wrote, I claim to be responsible for the Ethernet driver and will try to finish it soon. However, for the moment I prefer to make the project running again. Otherwise we won't need the ethernet driver at all :-) > > > Any comments? > > I think you see that I agree with you totally. I am very frustrated > with the DEC port, because there is too little documentation: > > How do I get a clean source tree? > What is the structure of a DEC partition table? > Why are there so few bloody comments in the source code? You mean, in the kernel? I agree. Even for non-commercial code, it's rather non-documented at all. It's always the same... > > I have *lots* of alpha patches for R3000 support, but they are against > my 'broken' 1.2.11 source tree, and I was waiting for Ralf to release > the 'master' 1.3.xx source tree that we can work on, so I could integrate > my patches with that before releasing them, simply 'cos it's easier for > me to do it than someone else. Are you sure? Again, you can have a complete and working 1.2.11.x tree. Extract your patches and patch them in again. > > My limited access to this mailing list makes it hard, but I have lots > to report 'cos I've spent about 40-50 hours on the DEC port in that > last few weeks (it helped that my partner had University exams :-). > > So - please don't give up, but let's appoint people in some key > roles, say: > > Ralf - maker of robust cross-dev tools > Andy - keeper of the source tree > Stoned - chief of Oily port > Paul - chief of DEC port > > etc. What do you think? > Hmmm. I have a problem with being the keeper of the source trees. If I could choose, I would split it like that: Ralf - maintainer of kernel and compiler (WITH binaries, please!) Stoned - maintainer of Milo Paul - maintainer of the DEC port me - Device drivers and "general management" What I'm missing is someone who takes care of documentation. We have a web server at FNET, but the pages are probably totally out of date. The way FNET works make it impossible for me to keep them up to date since when the server was at Waldorf I was used to add a word or sentence here and there, sometimes many times a day. And what I'm still missing is a volunteer for the SNI box. This new guy on the list (Michael Rausch), wouldn't he perfectly suited for this? I mean, there are already so many people with Jazz boxes, why one more? Fact is that I was asked for more publicity -- YOU CAN HAVE IT! But I WILL NOT sign this agreement with SNI as long I feel that it will finally produces trouble only! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 08:53:32 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA20083 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:32 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04078; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:54:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA24443 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:54:44 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA16400; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:33 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511210753.IAA16400@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511210528.WAA07095@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1508 Lines: 41 > > I'll be happy to build and upload a cross compiler for FreeBSD. I'd > build the library too, but it sounds a little too raw to do that just > yet (correct me if I'm wrong). I will not be able to do this for > NT/MIPS because the compilers there gave me so much trouble I > reformatted the hard disk (well, I had a disk die and needed the disk > for production use). That's the way NT goes :-) > > Also, I sent a bunch of patches off to Andreas about a month ago for > the Deskstation. Didn't you get them Andy? If not, I'll be happy to > resend them. No, sorry. All I got was a message from you telling me "here are the patches" but there were none :-) > > I've just started a new job (with Drew, no less), so my free time went > from quite high to rather low. I've developed a backlog of projects, > so it may take until after the first of the year to get that backlog > cleared out. > Anyway, send me your patches. Eventually I'll release another 1.2.11.x kernel before everything moves over to 1.3. But since you're working with Drew anyway, please ask him if he has experience with the 53C94. Perhaps he has some hints or even a halfway complete driver. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 12:20:32 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA20791 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:20:29 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09601; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:21:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA27308 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:23:19 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211123.MAA27308@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02246; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:20:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Current mips port status? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:20:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511201842.AA21188@slovax.engr.sgi.com> from "Larry McVoy" at Nov 20, 95 10:42:08 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 952 Lines: 24 Hi, > Hi folks, > lots of talk on this alias but I somehow failed to get an idea of > where the mips port stands today. Could someone summarize? > > Also, on the topic of cross development. It occurred to me that if > someone where to port SGI's efs to Linux, then IRIX could easily be > used to dual host Linux and IRIX. SGI is moving to XFS, they might be > willing to donate a port of efs. Do all those boxes you have out there > run IRIX or is this an uninteresting idea? Larry, for the design plans that I have for Linux/MIPS a port of EFS would be a perfect add on. Unfortunately I don't have *any* Mips box with an operating system that is more than experimental at hand. I don't even dare dreaming about a SGI :-( Aside from that the main reason for using Linux for cross development is the fact that it can create the ext2 filesystems used to boot. So as you can see an EFS port would be really usefull for IRIX users. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 12:33:34 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA20848 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:33:34 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09831; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:34:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA28000 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:36:14 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211136.MAA28000@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02304; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:33:01 +0100 Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:33:01 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201847.TAA08304@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 07:47:20 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 774 Lines: 17 Hi, > Great. But you missed the point. Don't tell people something like > "then configure it with something like ...". Either exactly > describe the configuration *you* used to succeed, or nothing > at all. Sorry for being so pedantic, but it was so often the > case that necessary or special configurations parameter weren't > mentioned that I believe it's better to say nothing instead of > some vague explanations that might lead to frustration only. Ok? OK, I'l upload a snapshot of my installed binaries. It's an archive of about ~8.5mb which will install itself into /usr. I don't use /usr/local because actually I'd have to move my whole /usr hirarchy to there - everything is homebrew ... Oh, and everything are ELF executables linked with libc 5.0.9. Ralf From davem@caip.rutgers.edu Tue Nov 21 12:47:36 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA20901 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:47:35 +0100 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10172; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:48:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA15316 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:48:28 -0500 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id GAA13467; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:48:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:48:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199511211148.GAA13467@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199511211123.MAA27308@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> (message from Systemkennung Linux on Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:20:06 +0100 (MET)) Subject: Re: Current mips port status? Content-Length: 545 Lines: 14 From: Systemkennung Linux Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:20:06 +0100 (MET) for the design plans that I have for Linux/MIPS a port of EFS would be a perfect add on. Unfortunately I don't have *any* Mips box with an operating system that is more than experimental at hand. I don't even dare dreaming about a SGI :-( Don't worry Ralf, just let me know when you guys have some SGI code working and I'll start doing test boots on my 8 processor ONYX ;-) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 13:13:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21013 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:13:13 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10648; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02457 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:14:21 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA18048; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:13:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:13:10 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211213.NAA18048@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1174 Lines: 31 Hi all, > Andreas Busse wrote: > > > What I'm missing is someone who takes care of documentation. We > > have a web server at FNET, but the pages are probably totally out > > of date. The way FNET works make it impossible for me to keep them > > up to date since when the server was at Waldorf I was used to add > > a word or sentence here and there, sometimes many times a day. > > What is the problem? Maybe I can be of help at this point? > Yeah, if you like... Just grab any news that are posted here, make a short HTML description of it (in the style the linux-mips-news page is), and then send it off to Stoned and/or Luc and tell us what you've added. Just take a look at http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/linux-mips-news.html. The last entry is of 9/22/95 -- a bit out of date... Would be great if you could take care of our news paper. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 13:16:20 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21037 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:16:20 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10717; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:17:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02668 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:17:31 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA18054; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:16:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:16:19 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211216.NAA18054@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: web pages X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 534 Lines: 19 And BTW, the hot link back to the FAQ page is wrong. Stoned/Luc, please change the link in linux-mips-news.html to http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/linux-mips-faq.html ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please also check the other links. Thanks, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From jens@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 13:37:06 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21112 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:37:05 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11086; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:38:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (jens@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA09723 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:38:11 +0100 Received: (from jens@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA18691 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:26:05 +0100 From: Jens Hoffmann Message-Id: <199511211226.NAA18691@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:26:03 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211213.NAA18048@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 01:13:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 793 Lines: 26 Hi all, Andreas Busse wrote: > > What is the problem? Maybe I can be of help at this point? > > > Yeah, if you like... Just grab any news that are posted here, > make a short HTML description of it (in the style the linux-mips-news > page is), and then send it off to Stoned and/or Luc and tell us what > you've added. > Just take a look at http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/linux-mips-news.html. > The last entry is of 9/22/95 -- a bit out of date... > Would be great if you could take care of our news paper. I'll try :) Please do me a small favour. I'd like to receive the linux-mips-list as linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de This way it's easier to wade thru. (I know procmail would be much easier, but My sysadmin doesn't like to install it (Hrmm, I am my admin)) Greetings, Jens From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 14:10:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21328 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:10:25 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12091; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:11:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04291 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:11:30 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA18373; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:10:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:10:19 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211310.OAA18373@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... In-Reply-To: <199511211226.NAA18691@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 738 Lines: 25 > > I'll try :) > Please do me a small favour. I'd like to receive the linux-mips-list as > linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de > Luc, could you please change Jens' subscription accordingly? Guess he's on the list as "jens@waldorf-gmbh.de". > This way it's easier to wade thru. > (I know procmail would be much easier, but My sysadmin doesn't like > to install it (Hrmm, I am my admin)) Yeah, but only of "jens1" :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 14:21:34 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21381 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:21:33 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12252; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:18:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA03875 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:18:57 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211318.OAA03875@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02647; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:15:44 +0100 Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:15:43 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211213.NAA18048@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 01:13:10 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1090 Lines: 23 Hi all, > > > What I'm missing is someone who takes care of documentation. We > > > have a web server at FNET, but the pages are probably totally out > > > of date. The way FNET works make it impossible for me to keep them > > > up to date since when the server was at Waldorf I was used to add > > > a word or sentence here and there, sometimes many times a day. > > > > What is the problem? Maybe I can be of help at this point? > > Yeah, if you like... Just grab any news that are posted here, > make a short HTML description of it (in the style the linux-mips-news > page is), and then send it off to Stoned and/or Luc and tell us what > you've added. > Just take a look at http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/linux-mips-news.html. > The last entry is of 9/22/95 -- a bit out of date... Most of the other Linux docs/Howtos/Webpages have been created with the SGML tools that are available somewhere on Sunsite. It would be nice if whoever will maintain these pages will switch to these tools, too. Output in different formats from just one source is a nice thing :-) Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 14:24:09 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21405 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:24:07 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12428; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:24:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04269 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:25:55 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211325.OAA04269@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02673; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:22:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Current mips port status? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:22:42 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211148.GAA13467@huahaga.rutgers.edu> from "David S. Miller" at Nov 21, 95 06:48:27 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 820 Lines: 20 Hi, > for the design plans that I have for Linux/MIPS a port of EFS would be > a perfect add on. Unfortunately I don't have *any* Mips box with an > operating system that is more than experimental at hand. I don't even > dare dreaming about a SGI :-( > > Don't worry Ralf, just let me know when you guys have some SGI code > working and I'll start doing test boots on my 8 processor ONYX ;-) Arglll .... :-) Well, about cloning an SGI - recently I played a bit with the reverse endian bit of the processor. I managed to launch a big endian ELF executable on my little endian machine. And Per just mailed me that he managed to build a shared library using a Japanese guy's patches for binutils. Both has of course not much more than hack status, but opens nice perspectives in combination. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 14:30:35 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21453 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:30:34 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12627; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:30:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04529 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:31:41 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211331.OAA04529@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02702; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:28:28 +0100 Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:28:27 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511210528.WAA07095@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Nov 20, 95 10:28:04 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 554 Lines: 17 Hi, > I'll be happy to build and upload a cross compiler for FreeBSD. I'd > build the library too, but it sounds a little too raw to do that just > yet (correct me if I'm wrong). You're right. Nevertheless having the library at all is very handy when trying to rebuild the crosscompiler and so. > Also, I sent a bunch of patches off to Andreas about a month ago for > the Deskstation. Didn't you get them Andy? If not, I'll be happy to > resend them. Please send them to me; Andreas would do very much else except forwarding them to me. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 14:37:49 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21501 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:37:48 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12768; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:36:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA04973 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:37:45 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211337.OAA04973@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02728; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:34:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:34:32 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201919.UAA08493@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 08:19:02 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 28 Hi, > > Ralf> Well, we tried to install various versions of WNT on the Oily to > > Ralf> verify that it's working. The machine always crashes at a more > > Ralf> or less random point. From what Stoned told me this was what we > > Ralf> had to excpect because MS doesn't support the Oily anymore. > > Ralf> Milo however works always and the kernel never. > > What *exactly* happens, actually? No output at all, or what? Milo makes it's usual output and comes to the point where it says 'launching kernel', then the machine seems to freeze. > I don't think that it's worth finding out which NT runs on the > Oily. Wayne said that the box fails during the audio test, which > definitely worked on Stefan's Oily. I rather believe that there > is some more or less serious hardware bug preventing the kernel > to come up. Either we find a workaround, or the box should be > returned to "Applied Personal Computing" where we got it from. > Unfortunally the usual half-year warranty has been gone by waiting > for matching Rams... Oh yes, these super-cheap RAMs :-) Well, we could try some hardcore debugging - do the Oilys still have that seven segment display of the original Magnum design? Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 14:36:09 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21480 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:36:09 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12773; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:37:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05126 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:37:10 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA18559; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:35:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:35:58 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211335.OAA18559@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511211331.OAA04529@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 516 Lines: 18 > > Please send them to me; Andreas would do very much else except forwarding > them to me. > That's the question -- I guess Warner's patches go into 1.2.11.x Do you still maintain this kernel ? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 14:42:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21548 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:42:15 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12922; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:42:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05303 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:43:45 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211343.OAA05303@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02758; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:40:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:40:32 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201908.UAA01643@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 20, 95 08:07:56 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 500 Lines: 14 Hi, > Hum,... I'm not so sure about no support for Olly in WNT, all I know > is that I had tried about 4 or 5 version (only different from the > compilation number, which is indicated between '[' ']' if I recall > well: only two among them can be installed and ''''used''''''''' > > I'll try to do another install, just to be sure about the correct > version number... Not necessary; anyway I think it would be quite improbable that we have exactly the same version of NT available here. Ralf From jens@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 15:02:46 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21727 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:02:46 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13494; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:03:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (jens@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA15144 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:03:52 +0100 Received: (from jens@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA18788 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:51:44 +0100 From: Jens Hoffmann Message-Id: <199511211351.OAA18788@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:51:41 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211310.OAA18373@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 02:10:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 179 Lines: 14 Hi, Andreas Busse wrote: > Yeah, but only of "jens1" :-) Please don't forget: jens : Router jens2 : WIN95 Shitty-box with private IP-Routing :))) Greetings, Jens From jens@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 15:03:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21751 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:03:54 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13537; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:04:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (jens@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA15180 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:04:52 +0100 Received: (from jens@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA18801 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:52:44 +0100 From: Jens Hoffmann Message-Id: <199511211352.OAA18801@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:52:42 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211318.OAA03875@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Systemkennung Linux" at Nov 21, 95 02:15:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 363 Lines: 13 Hi, Systemkennung Linux wrote: > Most of the other Linux docs/Howtos/Webpages have been created with the > SGML tools that are available somewhere on Sunsite. It would be nice > if whoever will maintain these pages will switch to these tools, too. > Output in different formats from just one source is a nice thing :-) Where do they live? Greetings, Jens From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 14:58:26 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21659 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:58:25 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13350; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:58:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06097 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:59:10 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211359.OAA06097@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02821; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:55:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:55:57 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511201855.TAA08367@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 20, 95 07:55:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1183 Lines: 29 Hi, > > We already had the same idea. Unfortunately we don't have any software > > that is supposed to be working on the Olli. Well, except that we might > > try to install RISC/os from one of Waldorf's CDs. Did anyone every try > > that? > > Do you have a spare 500 Meg disk? :-) Yes, Wayne bought a nice one for it's Oily :-) > Which leads to the assumption that there must be something wrong > with this box. As long it isn't clear where the kernel crashes I > cannot tell you if it has to do with the console driver. Which I > doubt anyway since it works on Stoned's box and also ran on > Stefan's. > Let's assume that the framebuffer is ok. Then it should be possible > to add some debug stuff (drawline() comes in mind) to the early > initialization code. Once you know where the box crashes we can I assume the framebuffer is ok because I the display is otherwise (In the BIOS, Oily setup, NT Install) perfectly working. Even after a crash of NT the machine correctly dumps it's registers. Andy, is lib/console.c in Milo supposed to be working? When I last had access to that Oily some weeks ago I tried to use it from Milo itself and it failed, too. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 15:02:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21706 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:02:16 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13455; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:02:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06448 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:03:52 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211403.PAA06448@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA02846; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:00:39 +0100 Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:00:38 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211335.OAA18559@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 02:35:58 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 527 Lines: 16 Hi, > > Please send them to me; Andreas would do very much else except forwarding > > them to me. > > That's the question -- I guess Warner's patches go into 1.2.11.x > Do you still maintain this kernel ? No. But again applying his patches to 1.3 won't too much trouble. Apropos trouble - I'm just adding all the patches and bugfixes I hacked for binutils 2.5.2 into 2.6. Means essentially doing the whole work once again. But using the new features will make the switch to ELF for bootstrapping much easier. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 15:08:19 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21775 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:08:18 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13639; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:09:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06093 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:09:30 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18740; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:08:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:08:17 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211408.PAA18740@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511211337.OAA04973@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 896 Lines: 25 > Oh yes, these super-cheap RAMs :-) > Yes, exactly these :-) > Well, we could try some hardcore debugging - do the Oilys still have > that seven segment display of the original Magnum design? Unfortunally not. I believe the simplest way to find out if the kernel at least tries to do something useful is really to write something directly to the frame buffer. It helped a lot when I figured out what's wrong with R4000 V2.2 TLB stuff... Oh well, and an in-circuit R4000 emulator might be helpful... Anybody out there with such a beast and HP logic analyzer, perhaps ? :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 15:11:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21869 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:11:01 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13743; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:11:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06150 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:12:11 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18774; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:10:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:10:58 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211410.PAA18774@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Work [was: Re: SNI Alliance Partner] In-Reply-To: <199511211359.OAA06097@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 609 Lines: 18 > > Andy, is lib/console.c in Milo supposed to be working? When I last > had access to that Oily some weeks ago I tried to use it from Milo > itself and it failed, too. > Not so sure. But I guess so since I used lib/console.c to test the console driver for the Magnum (with the dummy vmlinux). Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From beurton@fnet.fr Tue Nov 21 15:09:57 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21807 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:09:56 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13728; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:11:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from beurton@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27298 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:11:04 +0100 From: Luc Beurton Message-Id: <199511211411.PAA27298@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: Re: web pages To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 15:11:04 MET In-Reply-To: <199511211216.NAA18054@newton.soft-n-hard.de>; from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 1:16 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 578 Lines: 21 > > > And BTW, the hot link back to the FAQ page is wrong. > Stoned/Luc, please change the link in linux-mips-news.html > to > > http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/linux-mips-faq.html > ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Please also check the other links. > > Thanks, > Andy > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de > Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 > Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 15:17:32 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21989 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:17:32 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13841; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:18:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA06385 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:18:31 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18811; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:17:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:17:18 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211417.PAA18811@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511211403.PAA06448@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1015 Lines: 27 > > No. But again applying his patches to 1.3 won't too much trouble. > Ok. So what? First into 1.2.whatever or directly into 1.3.whatever? If the stuff shall go into 1.3.x, when can we have a reliable source tree that doesn't change every 5 minutes? > Apropos trouble - I'm just adding all the patches and bugfixes I > hacked for binutils 2.5.2 into 2.6. Means essentially doing the > whole work once again. But using the new features will make the > switch to ELF for bootstrapping much easier. Is it really a good idea to hack a new linker right now? Wouldn't it be better to wait for 2.6.1/2/3 or, even better, to send your patches to the GNU people so that they *stay* in the source tree? Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 15:36:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22081 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:36:50 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14334; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:37:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08424 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:39:26 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211439.PAA08424@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA03047; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:36:12 +0100 Subject: Re: fwd: Re: Project flow... To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:36:12 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211352.OAA18801@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> from "Jens Hoffmann" at Nov 21, 95 02:52:42 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 400 Lines: 12 Hi, > > Most of the other Linux docs/Howtos/Webpages have been created with the > > SGML tools that are available somewhere on Sunsite. It would be nice > > if whoever will maintain these pages will switch to these tools, too. > > Output in different formats from just one source is a nice thing :-) > > Where do they live? Try archie :-) The tools carry the word SGML in their name ... Ralf From imp@rover.village.org Tue Nov 21 15:54:45 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA22160 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:54:44 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14812; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:55:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA07984 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:54:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199511211454.HAA07984@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:35:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:54:20 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 248 Lines: 8 : That's the question -- I guess Warner's patches go into 1.2.11.x : Do you still maintain this kernel ? I can redo them for 1.3.x, since that seems to be stable now. I do have a couple of MILO patches that need to go into the next MILO. Warner From imp@rover.village.org Tue Nov 21 16:00:13 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22211 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:00:12 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14979; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:00:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA08029 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:00:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199511211500.IAA08029@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:53:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:00:29 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 462 Lines: 13 : No, sorry. All I got was a message from you telling me "here are the : patches" but there were none :-) Grump. OK. I'll send them off under a different cover. : But since you're working with Drew anyway, please ask him if : he has experience with the 53C94. Perhaps he has some hints or : even a halfway complete driver. I'll ping him today (I need to see him today to see if I can borrow his spud gun for the holidays, but that's another story). Warner From elipot@fnet.fr Tue Nov 21 16:17:20 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22267 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:17:19 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15509; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:18:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from elipot@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29052 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:18:29 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Message-Id: <199511211518.QAA29052@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: Milo's lib/console.c To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 16:18:29 MET In-Reply-To: <199511211410.PAA18774@newton.soft-n-hard.de>; from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 3:10 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 201 Lines: 6 > Not so sure. But I guess so since I used lib/console.c to test > the console driver for the Magnum (with the dummy vmlinux). It works that's for sure, I used it heavily to test the NASP :) Stoned. From elipot@fnet.fr Tue Nov 21 16:32:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22344 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:32:01 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15920; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:33:08 +0100 (MET) Received: (from elipot@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29503 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:33:12 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Message-Id: <199511211533.QAA29503@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 16:33:12 MET In-Reply-To: <199511211454.HAA07984@rover.village.org>; from "Warner Losh" at Nov 21, 95 7:54 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 179 Lines: 6 > I do have a couple of MILO patches that need to go into the next MILO. Please send them to me at seb@univ-evry.fr Yes, it's ok for me: I can take over Milo :) Cheers, Stoned. From pab@black.uni.net Tue Nov 21 16:42:12 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22403 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:42:11 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16184; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:43:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id QAA00514 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:48:07 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511211648.ZM512@black.uni.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:48:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: Warner Losh "Re: New uploads" (Nov 21, 8:00am) References: <199511211500.IAA08029@rover.village.org> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 201 Lines: 9 On Nov 21, 8:00am, Warner Losh wrote: > > I'll ping him today (I need to see him today to see if I can borrow > his spud gun for the holidays, but that's another story). > What's a spud gun ? /pab From kah@terma.dk Tue Nov 21 17:21:38 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22617 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:21:37 +0100 Received: from ns.dknet.dk by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17137; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:22:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from terma (uucp@localhost) by ns.dknet.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id RAA00670 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:22:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199511211622.RAA00670@ns.dknet.dk> Received: from lulu.terma.dk (lulu) by vera.terma.dk; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:01:56 +0200 Received: by lulu.terma.dk (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA15633; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:56:35 +0100 From: Kai Harrekilde-Petersen Subject: linuxdox-sgml tools (was: project flow) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 16:56:35 MET In-Reply-To: <199511211439.PAA08424@informatik.uni-koblenz.de>; from "Systemkennung Linux" at Nov 21, 95 3:36 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 979 Lines: 22 > > > Most of the other Linux docs/Howtos/Webpages have been created with the > > > SGML tools that are available somewhere on Sunsite. It would be nice > > > if whoever will maintain these pages will switch to these tools, too. > > > Output in different formats from just one source is a nice thing :-) > > > > Where do they live? > Try archie :-) The tools carry the word SGML in their name ... Its called linuxdoc-sgml-1.4.tar.gz (maybe 1.4 hasn't made it there yet), and it should reside in something like /pub/Linux/utils/text (at least, that's where the v1.1 is on Yggdrasil's july/august CD's). I'm willing to help convert the docs into SGML, as I have a reasonable grip on the linuxdoc package (i use it for the ftape-HOWTO). Kai -- Kai Harrekilde-Petersen Linux: The choice of a GNU generation Terma Elektronik, Surveillance Systems Division #include PGP Key fingerprint = 9A 70 8A FF A3 31 3E DC FB 9C A2 50 D7 FC 4F C8 From pab@black.uni.net Tue Nov 21 16:57:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA22459 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:57:42 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16415; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:58:47 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id RAA00605 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:03:38 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511211703.ZM603@black.uni.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:03:37 +0100 X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: NT on Mag (I would never do it) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 196 Lines: 7 To further test the low res board in little endian mode, i'll try installing NT on it. I hope this will be the first and last time i have to mix with it, can i be forgived. In a sad mood, /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 17:33:33 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22671 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:33:32 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17439; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:32:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA16811 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:33:01 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211633.RAA16811@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA03574; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:29:45 +0100 Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:29:45 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211417.PAA18811@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 03:17:18 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 882 Lines: 25 Hi, > > No. But again applying his patches to 1.3 won't too much trouble. > Ok. So what? First into 1.2.whatever or directly into 1.3.whatever? I said send me patches for 1.2 or 1.2 - it doesn't matter. I can integrate them into 1.3. > If the stuff shall go into 1.3.x, when can we have a reliable > source tree that doesn't change every 5 minutes? I guess we're supposed to do software *development*. If you however want to keep you kernel sources from changing I can recommend CD-ROMs. Guaranteed not to change ;-) > Is it really a good idea to hack a new linker right now? > Wouldn't it be better to wait for 2.6.1/2/3 or, even better, > to send your patches to the GNU people so that they *stay* > in the source tree? I know your big love to ancient software - I don't share it. The gain of using the new software is normally bigger than of keeping the old. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 17:42:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22751 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:42:50 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17716; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:43:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA10711 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:44:03 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19729; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:42:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:42:52 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211642.RAA19729@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511211533.QAA29503@nil.fnet.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 754 Lines: 22 > > Please send them to me at seb@univ-evry.fr > Yes, it's ok for me: I can take over Milo :) > STOP! The patches Warner sent me are already in my version. I sent him patches back (right, Warner?) to verify the changes. The complicated thing was that we were both working a the same part, namely the a.out loader. I will send you patches, Stoned. If Warner made changes *after* applying, these should also go into the distribution. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 17:57:59 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22841 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:57:59 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18053; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:58:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (linux@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA22019 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:58:52 +0100 Received: (from linux@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19256 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:46:41 +0100 From: linux-user Message-Id: <199511211646.RAA19256@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: linuxdox-sgml tools (was: project flow) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:46:39 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211622.RAA00670@ns.dknet.dk> from "Kai Harrekilde-Petersen" at Nov 21, 95 04:56:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 382 Lines: 16 Hi, Kai Harrekilde-Petersen wrote: > Its called linuxdoc-sgml-1.4.tar.gz (maybe 1.4 hasn't made it there yet), and That is much more useful! > I'm willing to help convert the docs into SGML, as I have a reasonable > grip on the linuxdoc package (i use it for the ftape-HOWTO). Thanks, I will have a look on the tools. If there are problems, I'll ask you :) Greetings, Jens From andy@soft-n-hard.de Tue Nov 21 17:50:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22810 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:50:10 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17901; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:51:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA10934 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:51:10 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19744; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:49:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:49:58 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511211649.RAA19744@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: <199511211633.RAA16811@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1228 Lines: 31 > > I guess we're supposed to do software *development*. If you however want > to keep you kernel sources from changing I can recommend CD-ROMs. > Guaranteed not to change ;-) > > > Is it really a good idea to hack a new linker right now? > > Wouldn't it be better to wait for 2.6.1/2/3 or, even better, > > to send your patches to the GNU people so that they *stay* > > in the source tree? > > I know your big love to ancient software - I don't share it. The gain > of using the new software is normally bigger than of keeping the old. > Listen, asshole: I guess I do software development quite a bit longer than you, ok? So don't tell me that newer software is always better than older. Or why do you need to fix bugs that weren't in older versions? All I try do here is to coordinate things a little bit. If you don't agree, do it yourself and remove me from the list. I have nothing to say anymore. Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 18:16:39 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA22980 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:16:38 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18279; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:09:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (linux@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA22609 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:09:38 +0100 Received: (from linux@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA19291 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:57:26 +0100 From: linux-user Message-Id: <199511211657.RAA19291@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:57:25 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211649.RAA19744@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 21, 95 05:49:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 303 Lines: 13 Hi all, please calm down, all. I am really terrified and very unhappy. If two people, who have no problem to meet each other, drink a beer or two, are not able to discuss disagreements calmly, who else can? If you two need secundants, call me and wayne in, at the usual place :) Greetings, Jens From drew@chopper.poohsticks.org Tue Nov 21 18:25:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA23030 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:24:58 +0100 Received: from chopper.poohsticks.org (drew-to-hub.village.org) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18746; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:25:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from chopper.poohsticks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chopper.poohsticks.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16628 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:25:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199511211725.KAA16628@chopper.poohsticks.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:48:06 +0100." <9511211648.ZM512@black.uni.net> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:25:37 -0700 From: Drew Eckhardt Content-Length: 1379 Lines: 30 In message <9511211648.ZM512@black.uni.net>, pab@uni.net writes: >On Nov 21, 8:00am, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> I'll ping him today (I need to see him today to see if I can borrow >> his spud gun for the holidays, but that's another story). >> > >What's a spud gun ? Potatoe Canon. Basically, a PVC construction with a 1.5" ID barell (this is small enough to core the bottom-of-the-bag potatoes; with a larger bore, you'd need quality baking potatoes), beveled muzzle to core the projectile (a very slight chamfer on the inside diameter, in addition to the heavy bevel outside gives a better seal and maximum velocities), 4" diameter, 10" long chamber for propelent, removeable end cap to load the propellent, a spark gap in that end gap to ignite it, and a magnetic gas barbeque grill ignitor to power the spark gap (we think we get about 40K volts out of it). You cut a potatoe in half, and ramrod it down to just in front of the chamber. Fill the chamber up with Aqua Net hair spray (This stuff is great! Isobutane, propane, SD alcohol, and all sorts of other flamable bits), and close it. Aim, and fire. It launces a potatoe with INCREDIBLE velocity - enough to atomize if it hits something hard within 50 feet. Great fun to be had by all - the first time I brought it in to work, we had all of engineering out in the parking lot playing with it at lunch. From lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com Tue Nov 21 19:01:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA23354 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:01:46 +0100 Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19577; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:02:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from cthulhu.engr.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for <@sgi.engr.sgi.com:linux-mips@fnet.fr> id KAA12135; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:02:36 -0800 Received: from slovax.engr.sgi.com by cthulhu.engr.sgi.com via SMTP (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/911001.SGI) for id KAA29109; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:02:35 -0800 Received: by slovax.engr.sgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23894; Tue, 21 Nov 95 10:02:33 PST Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 10:02:33 PST From: lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com (Larry McVoy) Message-Id: <9511211802.AA23894@slovax.engr.sgi.com> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads Content-Length: 75 Lines: 1 All this time I thought Drew was this quiet hacker type. He he he. Cool. From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Tue Nov 21 19:28:52 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA23677 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:28:52 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA20136; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:29:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA20464 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:31:38 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511211831.TAA20464@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA15501; Tue, 21 Nov 95 19:29:08 +0100 Subject: Re: New uploads To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:29:07 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511211802.AA23894@slovax.engr.sgi.com> from "Larry McVoy" at Nov 21, 95 10:02:33 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 324 Lines: 11 Hi, > All this time I thought Drew was this quiet hacker type. He he he. Cool. How about a spud gun tournament on the next Linux congress in Berlin ?-) Ralf (This stupd off topic stuff is why the Linux/MIPS mailing list is so much fun. Oh my god, I once advertised it to Linus as a list with a good S/N ratio ...) From drew@chopper.poohsticks.org Tue Nov 21 22:44:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA25737 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:44:16 +0100 Received: from chopper.poohsticks.org (drew-to-hub.village.org) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23400; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:45:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from chopper.poohsticks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chopper.poohsticks.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA17044 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:45:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199511212145.OAA17044@chopper.poohsticks.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:02:33 PST." <9511211802.AA23894@slovax.engr.sgi.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:45:15 -0700 From: Drew Eckhardt Content-Length: 737 Lines: 17 In message <9511211802.AA23894@slovax.engr.sgi.com>, lm@slovax.engr.sgi.com wri tes: >All this time I thought Drew was this quiet hacker type. He he he. Cool. > Actually, it gets much worse (or better, depending on your perspective). When not hacking Linux or something for my day job, I drive a Toyota with a 5.7L Chevy V8 shoehorned under the hood, make snowboard descents of conviently located mountains, ride a 920cc street bike, and skydive (this is part of the progression from mundane skydiving, to freestyle, to skysurfing). Other less exciting hobies include an ocassional combat handgun match, a little mountain climbing, and road biking. Making toys like the spud gun and Chevota is still hacking, just not computers... From pab@RMnet.IT Tue Nov 21 23:38:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA26355 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:38:52 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24292; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:39:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28399 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:41:42 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951121233631.ZM7814@pag> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:36:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: SCSI & style of life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1802 Lines: 33 X-Warning: this a message readable at multiple levels. Which ones, is left to the reader. As hint, the number of two is given. Hello, Who said Linux code isn't documented ? I was giving a pre-look about the planned SCSI driver and because i noticed that my PC buslogic card has a fas216 like the one on the Mag, i gave a look to buslogic.c. Gee, there are -comments- inside it, and gee^2, the actually make sense! The sad thing is that i'm quite sure the driver isn't reusable, the buslogic has an intelligent interace to the fas216 that seems to be rather low level oriented. So i recalled that somebody said that the controller is actually an NCRsomenumber, and i started giving a look to some Drew's code. Gee^3! there are _data structeres_ here! (hope they make sense, anyway :). So i can be quite confident that some kind of scsi code will be present in our project, someday. This curiosity, and latests open-air messages (hello Drew, can you hear me from you parachute launch ? ;) lead me to a question: why are we doing all this? Easy, coz' it's fun. I can have all the fucked expensive systems without even paying for it, but i sit here hacking a maked-out computer to run useless code (i assume that every software is useless unless it a) pays your bill, b) save your (or someone else) life). I know that answer is obvious, but is true. It's like a rule for me, and every thing has rules. Programming, shooting potatoes, working and (pardon me) loving. There also to say that rules are a lot better when aren't written but everybody follows them, or speaks about'em if he thinks that the rules are wrong. Anyway, let me propose a rule for our beloved Linux-mips project: Let's do it. And having fun at the same time. Appreciating everybody, respecting you all, /pab From drew@chopper.poohsticks.org Wed Nov 22 00:50:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA27057 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:50:41 +0100 Received: from chopper.poohsticks.org (drew-to-hub.village.org) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26083; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:51:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from chopper.poohsticks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chopper.poohsticks.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA17241 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:51:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199511212351.QAA17241@chopper.poohsticks.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:36:29 +0100." <951121233631.ZM7814@pag> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:51:40 -0700 From: Drew Eckhardt Content-Length: 1753 Lines: 34 In message <951121233631.ZM7814@pag>, pab@RMnet.IT writes: >X-Warning: this a message readable at multiple levels. Which ones, is >left to the reader. As hint, the number of two is given. > >So i recalled that somebody said that the controller is >actually an NCRsomenumber, and i started giving a look to some Drew's >code. Gee^3! there are _data structeres_ here! (hope they make sense, >anyway :). So i can be quite confident that some kind of scsi code will >be present in our project, someday. I deleted the original message, otherwise I would have probably said something relevant sooner. Anyways, we have Linux drivers for both the NCR53c406a, and AMD53C974. Both of these combine a NCR53c94 or NCR53cf94 core (this is the closest valid match for the NCR59c94 mentioned) with on-chip buffers ('406a) or bus-mastering DMA engine ( AMD53C974); change the DMA part, and you're in business. The NCR53c406a driver doesn't do disconnect/reconnect, and lacks the framework needed to support multiple outstanding commands. You _really_ want those if you're using tape drives and sometimes CD ROMs. Adding them is non-trivial. The AMD53C974 does these things, and is derrived from my NCR5380 driver; which is among the most stable of the dumb-board drivers under Linux (provided you don't try and use some off-chip handshaking hardware which was barely documented, or the slave DMA that my hardware didn't implement). Ie, a few tweaks and we should have SCSI working, with good performance, and so-so CPU loading. There aren't any endian assumptions in the 5380 code or SCSI code in general (the 68K people are doing fine with it), so you should be happy on a Big or Little endian MIPS. Does some one have a spare one of these machines? From imp@rover.village.org Wed Nov 22 02:40:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA29629 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:40:14 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28110; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:41:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA09464 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:41:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199511220141.SAA09464@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:02:33 PST Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:41:18 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 127 Lines: 5 : All this time I thought Drew was this quiet hacker type. He he he. Cool. You should really see what he drives.... Warner From imp@rover.village.org Wed Nov 22 02:43:52 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA29653 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:43:52 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28135; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 02:44:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA09483 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:44:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199511220144.SAA09483@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: New uploads In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:42:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:44:56 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 541 Lines: 12 : I sent him patches back (right, Warner?) to verify the : changes. The complicated thing was that we were both : working a the same part, namely the a.out loader. I will : send you patches, Stoned. If Warner made changes *after* : applying, these should also go into the distribution. He's right. I still owe him these patches. I thought I had sent them off, but I was wrong :-(. It took me a while to find the patches that Andy had sent me. After a find ~ -print | xargs egrep milo, I found where I had stashed them away.... Warner From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 09:39:31 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04451 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:39:30 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04474; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:40:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA10006 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:40:23 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28506; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:39:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:39:10 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511220839.JAA28506@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <951121233631.ZM7814@pag> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 3642 Lines: 77 Hi all, > [...] > > This curiosity, and latests open-air messages (hello Drew, can you hear > me from you parachute launch ? ;) lead me to a question: why are we > doing all this? Easy, coz' it's fun. I can have all the fucked expensive > systems without even paying for it, but i sit here hacking a maked-out > computer to run useless code (i assume that every software is useless > unless it a) pays your bill, b) save your (or someone else) life). I > know that answer is obvious, but is true. It's like a rule for me, and > every thing has rules. Programming, shooting potatoes, working and > (pardon me) loving. There also to say that rules are a lot better when > aren't written but everybody follows them, or speaks about'em if he > thinks that the rules are wrong. Anyway, let me propose a rule for our > beloved Linux-mips project: > Let's do it. And having fun at the same time. > that was nice to read. Thanks, Paolo. However, I'd like to add a few words that might explain why I don't find it that funny as it perhaps should be. First, our points of view might differ more or less. Those of you who grabbed a Mips box, either by accident or by mistake (;-)) don't need to care about if and when Linux/MIPS is working on it. You just have the box, and it's standing around in a dusty and dark corner if you stop working on it. That's fine, but is always has been different for me and since I left Waldorf it has become even more different. At Waldorf, I always needed someone to convince that Linux/MIPS can become a success. That wasn't always easy, but it worked. It worked that good that Waldorf bought machines, paid the internet traffic, even paid Ralf part time. At the time I left Waldorf I had to decide wether to take the Linux/MIPS project with me or to kill it. Nobody else at Waldorf was interested or able to continue it. So... Besides the fact that I needed to buy the equipment Ralf has at home, I spend a lot of time into this project that I otherwise could have spend into projects for which I get money. I'm not DEC, MIPS, SGI or SNI -- I can't afford vaporware. I guess this is the same for most of us, but the difference is that all of you are free to say "sorry, don't have time for the next three months." I can't -- or do you think so? Basically, I wish that we all can make money out of Linux/MIPS at a certain point, either directly or indirectly. That's my goal. If yours differs, no problem. But if your goals are contrary to mine, no matter why and how, we have a real problem. Now we have the chance to get real support from a big company. If we do it right, we can perhaps get more support. Eventually even money, although I can't promise that. But what happens? Instead that someone says: "Ok, I'll take care of this SNI baby -- that's my chance!" we're fighting about techno junk. Very, very disappointing. Now I have to make another decision: I can take care of the SNI box myself, but then you'll need to find another coordinator. I can't do both, and it has never been a good idea to try to coordinate a project on which you are working yourself. A last word to the rules Paolo mentioned, even at the risk that I repeat myself: The rule should be to move Linux/MIPS to a usable state. Then it becomes fun anyway. So, what do you want? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Wed Nov 22 12:12:22 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06217 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:12:22 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07870; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:13:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (linux@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA26426 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:13:30 +0100 Received: (from linux@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA21317 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:00:54 +0100 From: linux-user Message-Id: <199511221100.MAA21317@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: The tools are here :) Where are the docs? To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:00:53 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511211622.RAA00670@ns.dknet.dk> from "Kai Harrekilde-Petersen" at Nov 21, 95 04:56:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 222 Lines: 11 Hiho! I got the SGML-Tools (nice thing, really). So: The question is, are there already SGML-Sources somewhere, or do I have to reverse-engeneer them? Greetings, Jens PS: Doing combat with WIN95-ISDN once again :) From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 12:17:27 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06241 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:17:26 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07937; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:18:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA14764 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:18:40 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA29536; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:17:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:17:27 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221117.MAA29536@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: The tools are here :) Where are the docs? In-Reply-To: <199511221100.MAA21317@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 669 Lines: 25 > > I got the SGML-Tools (nice thing, really). > > So: The question is, are there already SGML-Sources somewhere, > or do I have to reverse-engeneer them? > Hmm. On http://www.fnet.fr/linux-mips/ you'll find everything available, of course in HTML... > > PS: Doing combat with WIN95-ISDN once again :) > Happy windozing. I like it too :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Wed Nov 22 13:40:44 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08044 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:40:43 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09462; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:41:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id NAA00830 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:46:28 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511221346.ZM828@black.uni.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:46:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andreas Busse "Re: SCSI & style of life" (Nov 22, 9:39am) References: <199511220839.JAA28506@newton.soft-n-hard.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 4608 Lines: 94 Hi all, On Nov 22, 9:39am, Andreas Busse wrote: > Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life > ... > > that was nice to read. Thanks, Paolo. > However, I'd like to add a few words that might explain why I > don't find it that funny as it perhaps should be. > First, our points of view might differ more or less. Those of > you who grabbed a Mips box, either by accident or by mistake (;-)) > don't need to care about if and when Linux/MIPS is working on > it. You just have the box, and it's standing around in a dusty > and dark corner if you stop working on it. That's fine, but is > always has been different for me and since I left Waldorf it has > become even more different. > At Waldorf, I always needed someone to convince that Linux/MIPS > can become a success. That wasn't always easy, but it worked. > It worked that good that Waldorf bought machines, paid the internet > traffic, even paid Ralf part time. > At the time I left Waldorf I had to decide wether to take the > Linux/MIPS project with me or to kill it. Nobody else at Waldorf > was interested or able to continue it. > > So... Besides the fact that I needed to buy the equipment Ralf > has at home, I spend a lot of time into this project that I > otherwise could have spend into projects for which I get money. > I'm not DEC, MIPS, SGI or SNI -- I can't afford vaporware. I > guess this is the same for most of us, but the difference is > that all of you are free to say "sorry, don't have time for the > next three months." I can't -- or do you think so? > > Basically, I wish that we all can make money out of Linux/MIPS > at a certain point, either directly or indirectly. That's my > goal. If yours differs, no problem. But if your goals are contrary > to mine, no matter why and how, we have a real problem. > I understand perfectly. Yes, our motivations are different, and yours are the strongest or at least the most practical ones. Such a difference will not be a problem as long people won't promise anything that they can't deliver, and i've payed much attention to not commit this error myself. > Now we have the chance to get real support from a big company. > If we do it right, we can perhaps get more support. Eventually > even money, although I can't promise that. > But what happens? Instead that someone says: "Ok, I'll take > care of this SNI baby -- that's my chance!" we're fighting about > techno junk. Very, very disappointing. > I think that the SNI thing, expecially under your point of view, is very good. It is a germany based company and it shows as collaborative. Marketing chances for theyr machines are much higher than for hybrid MIPS/PC we are hacking just now, that are ~4 years old. > Now I have to make another decision: I can take care of the SNI > box myself, but then you'll need to find another coordinator. > I can't do both, and it has never been a good idea to try to > coordinate a project on which you are working yourself. > You're probably right, and there is another problem: being the SNI a totally different machine as i think is, the only common part among ARC compatibles and SNI will be the (cross) developement env. and some higher level compatibility layer, like libc, excutables and the ABI. This is very important stuff, we can't really do anything without it. So my call is for: 'A freezed devel. env. that works'. I will release my gcc 2.7.0 binaries and libc 4.something UNLESS some serious known bug prevents to do so. Then we can schedule the next release to let's say four months. This will give to the people that work on it all the time to add new features, fix the bugs, and release a comprensive source/binaries package. I want to say my opinion about binaries distributions here. They are GOOD. A great point of force for Linux is they large availability. Basically they allow a fresh hacker, let's somebody that isn't yet very skilled about gnuism, unix code and stuff, to gradually approach the system and it's complexity. Not everybody is fascinated by the 'tools to make tools' paradigm, at least not at the very starting point of a project. > A last word to the rules Paolo mentioned, even at the risk that > I repeat myself: The rule should be to move Linux/MIPS to a > usable state. Then it becomes fun anyway. I think that everyone should agree on this. > > So, what do you want? > HOLYDAYS! .... apart jokes, if you feel you have to pass hand, it's ok. I'm sure you will keep contributing to the whole. Let's find another working model if not another coordinator, this is the place to talk about it, and this is the time to do it. Comments, please. /pab From pab@black.uni.net Wed Nov 22 13:51:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA08353 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:51:53 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09653; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:52:56 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id NAA00837 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:57:45 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511221357.ZM835@black.uni.net> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:57:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: Drew Eckhardt "Re: SCSI & style of life" (Nov 21, 4:51pm) References: <199511212351.QAA17241@chopper.poohsticks.org> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 716 Lines: 19 Hello, On Nov 21, 4:51pm, Drew Eckhardt wrote: > Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life > ... > There aren't any endian assumptions in the 5380 code or SCSI code in > general (the 68K people are doing fine with it), so you should be > happy on a Big or Little endian MIPS. > Thank you Drew for your clarifications. Only, isn't yet clear for me where the Emulex FAS216 categorize among the various families you mentioned. > Does some one have a spare one of these machines? of ARC boxes ? Hmmm.. unless somebody on this list wants to separate from his box, should be very cheap to get one from resellers (or even makers) that have them unsold in stock, others can have more info about actual places to ask for. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 14:01:35 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08407 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:01:31 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09863; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:02:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA17728 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:02:40 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30259; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:01:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:01:26 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221301.OAA30259@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <9511221346.ZM828@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 3477 Lines: 70 > > I understand perfectly. Yes, our motivations are different, and yours are the > strongest or at least the most practical ones. Such a difference will not be a > problem as long people won't promise anything that they can't deliver, and i've > payed much attention to not commit this error myself. > Well, I haven't had any problems with motivations yet. I just wanted to make clear what mine are. Very practical ones, yes :-) > > I think that the SNI thing, expecially under your point of view, is very good. > It is a germany based company and it shows as collaborative. Marketing chances > for theyr machines are much higher than for hybrid MIPS/PC we are hacking just > now, that are ~4 years old. > It should also be important for you all. Not that a port to the SNI baby would make Linux/MIPS run better on a Magnum, but the project would get attention. That's important. > You're probably right, and there is another problem: being the SNI a totally > different machine as i think is, the only common part among ARC compatibles and > SNI will be the (cross) developement env. and some higher level compatibility > layer, like libc, excutables and the ABI. This is very important stuff, we > can't really do anything without it. So my call is for: > 'A freezed devel. env. that works'. > I will release my gcc 2.7.0 binaries and libc 4.something UNLESS some serious > known bug prevents to do so. Then we can schedule the next release to let's say > four months. This will give to the people that work on it all the time to add > new features, fix the bugs, and release a comprensive source/binaries package. > I want to say my opinion about binaries distributions here. They are GOOD. A > great point of force for Linux is they large availability. Basically they allow > a fresh hacker, let's somebody that isn't yet very skilled about gnuism, unix > code and stuff, to gradually approach the system and it's complexity. Not > everybody is fascinated by the 'tools to make tools' paradigm, at least not at > the very starting point of a project. > 100% agreed. A rule for releasing binaries should also be that binaries should work on a broad range of Linux installations. That is (and I will get kicked for this again): a.out is to be preferred. I've nothing against ELF and Linux-1.3.x. But I cannot afford the downtime to move to 1.3., at least not now. And I don't have a spare box to play with. > > HOLYDAYS! .... apart jokes, if you feel you have to pass hand, it's ok. I'm > sure you will keep contributing to the whole. Let's find another working model > if not another coordinator, this is the place to talk about it, and this is the > time to do it. Comments, please. > It's not the case that I really want to change my responsibilities, I just ask if someone wants that. I'd really prefer if some of the hackers around Ralf would hack the SNI port so that I can continue to keep things moving where they seem to slow, and to stop things where they seem to go in a wrong direction. This afternoon I'll see Ralf and two other guys that are interested in the SNI port. Let's see what happens... Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 14:04:08 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08689 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:04:01 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09891; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:04:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA17824 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:05:18 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30268; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:04:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:04:02 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221304.OAA30268@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <9511221357.ZM835@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1010 Lines: 25 > > Thank you Drew for your clarifications. Only, isn't yet clear for me where the > Emulex FAS216 categorize among the various families you mentioned. > It's a 53c94 clone. The original Magnum design was specified for a 53c94 but Mips used an Emulex chip. Perhaps they are cheaper :-) > > Does some one have a spare one of these machines? > of ARC boxes ? Hmmm.. unless somebody on this list wants to separate from his > box, should be very cheap to get one from resellers (or even makers) that have > them unsold in stock, others can have more info about actual places to ask for. Perhaps I can manage to get another (brandnew) Oily for us$500. If this is of interest, let me know. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Wed Nov 22 14:34:17 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA09395 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:34:16 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10603; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:35:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (linux@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA03916 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:35:17 +0100 Received: (from linux@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21529 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:22:36 +0100 From: linux-user Message-Id: <199511221322.OAA21529@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:22:36 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511221346.ZM828@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 22, 95 01:46:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1086 Lines: 31 Hi all Paolo Bevilacqua wrote: > HOLYDAYS! .... apart jokes, if you feel you have to pass hand, it's ok. I'm > sure you will keep contributing to the whole. Let's find another working model > if not another coordinator, this is the place to talk about it, and this is the > time to do it. Comments, please. I think Andy is the _natural_ choice as a coordinator. I can't understand (same as Andy) that nobody is willing to take the SNI-Baby. Unfortunately, I really have no time, to do these things, unless I earn money for it. But even, from some miracle spring, if there would be money, my first goal is to get my own company going. We don't deal with software-development, so I'd have a very hard time to explain to my companion, why he is in charge to sell and do, while I am doing nice things. Anyway: Long words, short conclusio: Michael, by any chance: Can you take the SNI-Baby? If you can't, what about the other Linux-guys in KO-University? Has anybody the grip to fight the 68k- NeXtStep-Prof Giessen on a University driven project? Greetings, Jens From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Wed Nov 22 14:33:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA09186 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:33:12 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10575; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:33:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id OAA05719; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:33:15 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id OAA04046; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:32:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199511221332.OAA04046@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:46:27 +0100." <9511221346.ZM828@black.uni.net> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:32:10 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 1799 Lines: 40 Hi all, >>>>> "Paolo" == Paolo Bevilacqua writes: [SNIP] Paolo> I think that the SNI thing, expecially under your point of Paolo> view, is very good. It is a germany based company and it shows Paolo> as collaborative. Marketing chances for theyr machines are much Paolo> higher than for hybrid MIPS/PC we are hacking just now, that Paolo> are ~4 years old. Hum,... do you really think that SNI believe that people with enought money to buy a RMx00 will want to run Linux ? RMx00 are good machines I had the opportunity to play with somes last year, they were under SINIX (an SYSVR4 system) which have provision for multi processors box (I had once an account on a 16 R4400 SNI box with 1Go of RAM, gosh !! what a BIG box, and it's called RM :) [SNIP] Paolo> let's say four months. This will give to the people that work Paolo> on it all the time to add new features, fix the bugs, and Paolo> release a comprensive source/binaries package. I want to say Paolo> my opinion about binaries distributions here. They are GOOD. A [SNIP] I'm ok with that, we have to make a decision about the right tools, and well Ralf can always play with the new ones (I will try them:). Paolo> HOLYDAYS! .... apart jokes, if you feel you have to pass hand, Paolo> it's ok. I'm sure you will keep contributing to the Paolo> whole. Let's find another working model if not another Paolo> coordinator, this is the place to talk about it, and this is Paolo> the time to do it. Comments, please. Another coordinator, hum... well hum..., I'm confused, that's for sure, I think that if things go like they seem to go, we can end up with a OpenLinux/MIPS laying somewhere ;) What will be more usefull, code that runs and which is listed in the TODO list, or a new coordinator ? Cheers, Stoned. From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 14:50:19 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA09471 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:50:18 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11071; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:51:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA19110 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:50:12 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30637; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:48:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:48:54 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221348.OAA30637@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <199511221332.OAA04046@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1415 Lines: 36 > > Hum,... do you really think that SNI believe that people with enought > money to buy a RMx00 will want to run Linux ? RMx00 are good machines > I had the opportunity to play with somes last year, they were under > SINIX (an SYSVR4 system) which have provision for multi processors box > (I had once an account on a 16 R4400 SNI box with 1Go of RAM, gosh !! > what a BIG box, and it's called RM :) > This is not the point. Truly nobody will run Linux/MIPS on a 1024-CPU RM1000, even if it could. Probably not even on a 2-CPU RM400. The point is that we can claim that Linux/MIPS is interesting enough that SNI supports it. > I'm ok with that, we have to make a decision about the right tools, > and well Ralf can always play with the new ones (I will try them:). Fine. No problem with playing with new tools, but there must be some sort of standard, even if it's not the hottest, coolest and whatever bells-and-whissle-equipped stuff. > What will be more usefull, code that runs and which is listed in the > TODO list, or a new coordinator ? Guess what I think :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Wed Nov 22 14:57:18 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA09501 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:57:17 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11216; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:58:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA09585 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:59:44 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511221359.OAA09585@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA05356; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:56:22 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:56:22 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511221346.ZM828@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 22, 95 01:46:27 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3495 Lines: 63 Hi, > I think that the SNI thing, expecially under your point of view, is very good. > It is a germany based company and it shows as collaborative. Marketing chances > for theyr machines are much higher than for hybrid MIPS/PC we are hacking just > now, that are ~4 years old. Consider even the fact that we have quite some different machine types and just a few more developers. No good thing for fast advance. I'm a big fan of hard and software architectures that are not as uniform as the biggest part of the PC and Mac world. But we're beyond what is acceptable. > I will release my gcc 2.7.0 binaries and libc 4.something UNLESS some serious > known bug prevents to do so. Then we can schedule the next release to let's > say four months. This will give to the people that work on it all the time > to add new features, fix the bugs, and release a comprensive source/binaries > package. I want to say my opinion about binaries distributions here. They > are GOOD. A great point of force for Linux is they large availability. > Basically they allow a fresh hacker, let's somebody that isn't yet very > skilled about gnuism, unix code and stuff, to gradually approach the system > and it's complexity. Not everybody is fascinated by the 'tools to make tools' > paradigm, at least not at the very starting point of a project. I've got a binary package with GCC 2.7.1/binutils 2.5.2 compiled for both ELF and a.out targets on a tape here at the university. The problem ist just that I've got neither an Exabyte nor DAT at home nor can write QIC-24 tapes and so need to find someone who can convert my tape ... About the sources - two days ago I tried to bootstrap a complete Linux/MIPS crossdevelopment with all whistles and bells from nothing but sources. I had to find that it's tricky to do the things in the right order. Didn't remember that it was such a pain ... Someone who hasn't done that before will probably go crazy due to all the things that don't compile. As example - GCC's makefile tries to test the cross compiler by building a little program. That of course fails because there are no libraries installed yet. You again can't build the library because the compiler isn't installed yet. So you need to install the compiler manually. Some minor changes in the kernel also break compiling the old libc 4.6.27 that I'm discontinuing to support and oh, why is that damned float.h thing GCC is always complaining about ... Probably just a few people on this list know all the traps building all that stuff. In short: I'll build binary distributions of exactly the utilities that I'm using from now on. If you people post it I can also try to build crossdevelopment kits for other architectures that I can access. Or maybe even building a big killer makefile (NOT FOR RISC/OS :-) that knows all the traps of building a crossdevelopment environment. Using that even people with machines that I can't access (SGI :-( should be able to build an uptodate crossdevelopment environment with no trouble. How about this? (But remember - a 486/33 will need a night to build all that stuff ...) > > A last word to the rules Paolo mentioned, even at the risk that > > I repeat myself: The rule should be to move Linux/MIPS to a > > usable state. Then it becomes fun anyway. > > I think that everyone should agree on this. Of course. The big time of nuking everything is over. Just some minor fixes are missing; then we should be in the *real* Linux buisness. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Wed Nov 22 15:07:12 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09813 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:07:11 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11471; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:08:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10252 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:09:28 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511221409.PAA10252@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA05382; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:06:07 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:06:06 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511221357.ZM835@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 22, 95 01:57:45 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1002 Lines: 25 Hi, > Hello, > On Nov 21, 4:51pm, Drew Eckhardt wrote: > > Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life > > ... > > There aren't any endian assumptions in the 5380 code or SCSI code in > > general (the 68K people are doing fine with it), so you should be > > happy on a Big or Little endian MIPS. > > Thank you Drew for your clarifications. Only, isn't yet clear for me where the > Emulex FAS216 categorize among the various families you mentioned. Just as a note - NetBSD for Amiga support the Fastlane controllers which use a FAS216. Michael Rausch has this sources and all the docs about the chip. As soon as we get his damn Oily to do something usefull he could take over this part. Then there is still the Sonic stuff. The quick'n'dirty fix for it is using a card without DMA & shared memory like one of these NE2000 clones. Should work by just recompiling the kernel (provided the fact that my IP checksum routines work ...) Who feels like doing the real thing and fixing the Sonic driver? Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 15:14:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09860 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:14:11 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11628; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:15:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA19779 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:15:19 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30807; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:14:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:14:06 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221414.PAA30807@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <199511221359.OAA09585@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1838 Lines: 45 > > Consider even the fact that we have quite some different machine types and > just a few more developers. No good thing for fast advance. I'm a big fan > of hard and software architectures that are not as uniform as the biggest > part of the PC and Mac world. But we're beyond what is acceptable. > Why? We're currently working on actually *two* different platforms: Jazz and rPC44. The differences between the three jazz systems are rather minor. With the SNI we would have three different targets. > > As example - GCC's makefile tries to test the cross compiler by building a > little program. That of course fails because there are no libraries > installed yet. You again can't build the library because the compiler isn't > installed yet. So you need to install the compiler manually. Some minor > changes in the kernel also break compiling the old libc 4.6.27 that I'm > discontinuing to support and oh, why is that damned float.h thing GCC is > always complaining about ... I know... It's a pain to compile the compiler & tools around. > > > > I think that everyone should agree on this. > > Of course. The big time of nuking everything is over. Just some minor > fixes are missing; then we should be in the *real* Linux buisness. > Ok, then let's come to a decision about the SNI and then clear the TODO list :-) BTW, Ralf, would be good if you could come before 16:00h or so. At 17:30 I have another date, and I also need to prepare some demo web pages for a customer... Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 15:16:43 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA09884 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:16:42 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11666; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:17:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA19832 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:17:51 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA30813; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:16:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:16:39 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221416.PAA30813@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <199511221409.PAA10252@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 714 Lines: 19 > > Then there is still the Sonic stuff. The quick'n'dirty fix for it is > using a card without DMA & shared memory like one of these NE2000 clones. > Should work by just recompiling the kernel (provided the fact that my IP > checksum routines work ...) Who feels like doing the real thing and > fixing the Sonic driver? > I'll try. I wrote it, and I need to fix it too. Too painful to explain... Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Wed Nov 22 15:44:50 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10254 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:44:49 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12369; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:45:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12378 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:46:56 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511221446.PAA12378@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA05488; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:43:34 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:43:33 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221301.OAA30259@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 22, 95 02:01:26 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2556 Lines: 48 Hi, > It should also be important for you all. Not that a port to the SNI baby > would make Linux/MIPS run better on a Magnum, but the project would get > attention. That's important. Probably only interesting for the people speaking German - I and Roman Hodek are just writing an article about all the Linux ports. I use the chance to draw attention to all the Linux ports and will provide as much information about them as I can (Hey David - got my mail?). I'll of course mention SNI and hope that we'll manage to attract more people and probably even companies to Linux ports. The article will be several pages long and be printed in the January issue of iX. For those who don't know the iX - it's the probably biggest UNIX oriented magazine in Germany. A well regarded magazine with a remarkably high standard. Luckily it's makers are mostly Linux fans as you easily see by the fact that iX sponsored Drew's development of the 53c7,8xx.c driver. > 100% agreed. A rule for releasing binaries should also be that binaries > should work on a broad range of Linux installations. That is (and I will > get kicked for this again): a.out is to be preferred. I've nothing > against ELF and Linux-1.3.x. But I cannot afford the downtime to move > to 1.3., at least not now. And I don't have a spare box to play with. Obviously you uninformed about ELF - not a second downtime necessary unless you have to recompile the kernel with enabled ELF support. Just get ld.so from ftp.ods.com in /pub/linux/, unpack it and run the install script that will install the new ld.so. Ignore the error messages - they're meaningless and won't reappear when you install the same version again. Then get the libc-5.0.9.tar.gz packages from tsx-11.mit.edu in /pub/linux/packages/GCC/. You don't want to reinstall you development environment, so install only the libraries in /lib and skip the include and /usr/lib/ files. If don't do something really stupid it's a zero risk operation, really. If you are paranoid you can try to reboot once again, but that's not really necessary. That's all - now ELF binaries thatshould run. I anyway strongly recommend to install at least the most important ELF shared libraries. a.out is dead by now. Since a year or so noone did real development on the a.out libs and tools. Linux packages like Slackware 3.0 are ELF, Debian is just changing to ELF, Redhat 2.0 is ELF and so on. Virtually just everyone is going to ELF. An increasing number of software packages (Postgres95 eg.) can't even be built for a.out. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Wed Nov 22 15:47:33 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA10278 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:47:33 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12429; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:47:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12565 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:49:26 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511221449.PAA12565@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA05505; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:46:04 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:46:04 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221416.PAA30813@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 22, 95 03:16:39 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 482 Lines: 15 Hi, > > Then there is still the Sonic stuff. The quick'n'dirty fix for it is > > using a card without DMA & shared memory like one of these NE2000 clones. > > Should work by just recompiling the kernel (provided the fact that my IP > > checksum routines work ...) Who feels like doing the real thing and > > fixing the Sonic driver? > > > > I'll try. I wrote it, and I need to fix it too. Too painful to > explain... Though I'd like to understand that chip ... Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 22 16:01:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10359 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:01:24 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12861; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:02:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA21087 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:02:21 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA31119; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:01:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:01:06 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511221501.QAA31119@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <199511221446.PAA12378@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2034 Lines: 42 > > Probably only interesting for the people speaking German - I and Roman > Hodek are just writing an article about all the Linux ports. I use > the chance to draw attention to all the Linux ports and will provide > as much information about them as I can (Hey David - got my mail?). > I'll of course mention SNI and hope that we'll manage to attract more > people and probably even companies to Linux ports. The article will > be several pages long and be printed in the January issue of iX. > > For those who don't know the iX - it's the probably biggest UNIX oriented > magazine in Germany. A well regarded magazine with a remarkably high > standard. Luckily it's makers are mostly Linux fans as you easily > see by the fact that iX sponsored Drew's development of the 53c7,8xx.c > driver. And you complain about SNI's support being of interest in germany only? Please, don't let us go into this endless loop again. > > Obviously you uninformed about ELF - not a second downtime necessary unless > you have to recompile the kernel with enabled ELF support. Just > get ld.so from ftp.ods.com in /pub/linux/, unpack it and run the install > script that will install the new ld.so. Ignore the error messages - they're > meaningless and won't reappear when you install the same version again. > [...] That might all be true. However, my boxes work fine even with a.out and with uptimes of 30,32 and 39 days. Note that two of them are only 30 and 32 days old, and that the other box got a second harddisk 39 days ago. All of them act as servers with a sum of about 700 to 1000 Megs IP traffic per month, and I don't see any reason to upgrade. Maybe with the next box, coming this week. Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Wed Nov 22 16:27:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10741 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:27:54 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13617; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:28:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id QAA06084; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:29:00 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id QAA04301; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:28:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199511221528.QAA04301@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:43:33 +0100." <199511221446.PAA12378@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:27:56 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 1065 Lines: 23 Hi, >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: [SNIP] Ralf> That's all - now ELF binaries thatshould run. I anyway strongly Ralf> recommend to install at least the most important ELF shared Ralf> libraries. a.out is dead by now. Since a year or so noone did Ralf> real development on the a.out libs and tools. Linux packages Ralf> like Slackware 3.0 are ELF, Debian is just changing to ELF, Ralf> Redhat 2.0 is ELF and so on. Virtually just everyone is going Ralf> to ELF. An increasing number of software packages (Postgres95 Ralf> eg.) can't even be built for a.out. I want to add that just browsing at www.netbsd.org, I saw that, the incoming NetBSD 1.1 runs on DEC 3000, 3100, 5000/200, 5000/2x, 5000 Personal - and some more - but they admit that a.out (they use big endian kind) isn't well suited for MIPS processor (they give a little explanation, I can't remember which), ... and they will switch to ELF, in fact all the NetBSD ports are planned for ELF-switching - that's what I have understood. Cheers, Stoned. From imp@rover.village.org Wed Nov 22 16:44:53 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11088 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:44:51 +0100 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14054; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:43:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA01161 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:42:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199511221542.IAA01161@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:14:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:42:36 -0700 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 1423 Lines: 25 : Why? We're currently working on actually *two* different platforms: : Jazz and rPC44. The differences between the three jazz systems are : rather minor. With the SNI we would have three different targets. True. However, after I got the right memory locations, I was able to get up an crawling in a couple of days of hacking. I did leverage off the work that the Tyne boards had done, but it was relatively easy to get to the point where the system tries to mount / and failed (since I didn't have any disk drivers enabled due to size constraints, and I wasn't sure if the then current system would do anything useful with /, since that was pre '#' if I recall). Unless the SNI machine is totally different and doesn't have any docs, it should be relatively simple to get it up and running, at least to the same point the current kernel is at (BTW, how far along are the 1.2 and 1.3 branches in the boot process?). A lot of tools have been written to help people get up and going on new hardware. Just a thought. Maybe if no one in Europe wanted to sign up to the task of getting the SNI running, maybe that would be a useful machine to send to Drew, if he would sign up to get something up and running on it in a reasonable time frame. I don't know the politics of the relationship with SNI, so I don't know if this is possible or not. Just an idea. If it is silly, please be kind in telling me so :-). Warner From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Nov 22 18:19:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12252 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:19:46 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16534; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:20:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19176 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:19:47 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199511221719.SAA19176@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:19:46 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221332.OAA04046@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 22, 95 02:32:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 882 Lines: 22 Hi, > I'm ok with that, we have to make a decision about the right tools, > and well Ralf can always play with the new ones (I will try them:). Yes, and at least binutils 2.6 or newer will soon be required. I plan to use their feature of creating raw binary files to eleminate the requirement for Milo to know about the kernel executable format. Comes also very handy for support of compressed kernels. > Another coordinator, hum... well hum..., I'm confused, that's for > sure, I think that if things go like they seem to go, we can end up > with a OpenLinux/MIPS laying somewhere ;) > > What will be more usefull, code that runs and which is listed in the > TODO list, or a new coordinator ? Apropos TODO list - as you may have seen I've started one in arch/mips/TODO. You're free to contribute (and eleminate :-) entries in it as long as they're kernel related. Ralf From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Nov 22 18:32:38 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12318 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:32:37 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16726; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:33:12 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19238 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:32:19 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199511221732.SAA19238@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:32:18 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221528.QAA04301@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 22, 95 04:27:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1203 Lines: 27 Hi, > I want to add that just browsing at www.netbsd.org, I saw that, the > incoming NetBSD 1.1 runs on DEC 3000, 3100, 5000/200, 5000/2x, 5000 > Personal - and some more - but they admit that a.out (they use big > endian kind) isn't well suited for MIPS processor (they give a little > explanation, I can't remember which), ... and they will switch to ELF, > in fact all the NetBSD ports are planned for ELF-switching - that's > what I have understood. In fact Per's port of NetBSD to the same machine that I'm using is running ELF. We also did a little bit of brain storming about binary compatibility. As it looks we can quite easily establish a iBCS style way to establish binary compatibility for dynamic linked ELF executables. Not that I immediately plan to work in that direction, but the design idea leaves that way open. David "Sparc" Miller, as I know you can run SunOS executables which again is relativly similar to NetBSD. What changes were necessary for you to make Linux/Sparc running SunOS executables? Maybe that stuff could be a nice base to implement the RISC/os BSD4.3 flavoured syscalls and NetBSD compatibility? Just thinking ... Ralf -- MIME mail discarded UNREAD! From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Nov 22 18:40:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12662 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:40:51 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16929; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:41:39 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19292 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:40:44 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199511221740.SAA19292@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:40:43 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221542.IAA01161@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Nov 22, 95 08:42:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1701 Lines: 37 Hi, > True. However, after I got the right memory locations, I was able to > get up an crawling in a couple of days of hacking. I did leverage off > the work that the Tyne boards had done, but it was relatively easy to > get to the point where the system tries to mount / and failed (since I > didn't have any disk drivers enabled due to size constraints, and I > wasn't sure if the then current system would do anything useful with > /, since that was pre '#' if I recall). Dunno, if you've already taken a look in the current 1.3.39 kernel. I cleaned up Andy's original floppy driver and sent a patch with that stuff to Linus. The Linux/MIPS floppy driver is now the completly unchanged one from Linus' kernel release. It will be very easy for you to add support for your machine to it. Well, unless your board also has the braindead DMA cache of the Tyne design which isn't really supported. Maybe not all of you know - I started my Linux port for a Deskstation Tyne. After spending *lots* of time in debugging the kernel I could finally proove that the board I was using was faulty. That's why I also like to call it "Wreckstation" :-) > Maybe if no one in Europe wanted to sign up to the task of getting the > SNI running, maybe that would be a useful machine to send to Drew, if > he would sign up to get something up and running on it in a reasonable > time frame. I don't know the politics of the relationship with SNI, > so I don't know if this is possible or not. Just an idea. If it is > silly, please be kind in telling me so :-). Well, I guess that strongly depends of how good SNI's bussines relations to the US are. No idea ... Ralf -- MIME mail discarded UNREAD! From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Nov 22 18:48:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12692 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:48:10 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17082; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:48:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19321 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:47:30 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199511221747.SAA19321@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:47:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221348.OAA30637@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 22, 95 02:48:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 875 Lines: 23 Hi, > This is not the point. Truly nobody will run Linux/MIPS on a > 1024-CPU RM1000, even if it could. Probably not even on a 2-CPU RM400. > The point is that we can claim that Linux/MIPS is interesting enough > that SNI supports it. As long as noone of us HAS at least a machine with two whatever CPUs Linux/MIPS won't become reality; that's for shure. Though it'd be interesting and I'd probably give my right arm for a four processor R10000 box... > > I'm ok with that, we have to make a decision about the right tools, > > and well Ralf can always play with the new ones (I will try them:). > > Fine. No problem with playing with new tools, but there must be > some sort of standard, even if it's not the hottest, coolest and > whatever bells-and-whissle-equipped stuff. Be happy that I didn't release every tools that I changed at least a tiny bit! Ralf From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Nov 22 18:52:59 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12736 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:52:58 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17194; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:53:59 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19348 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:53:08 +0100 From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199511221753.SAA19348@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:53:07 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221501.QAA31119@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 22, 95 04:01:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1624 Lines: 33 Hi, > > Probably only interesting for the people speaking German - I and Roman > > Hodek are just writing an article about all the Linux ports. I use > > the chance to draw attention to all the Linux ports and will provide > > as much information about them as I can (Hey David - got my mail?). > > I'll of course mention SNI and hope that we'll manage to attract more > > people and probably even companies to Linux ports. The article will > > be several pages long and be printed in the January issue of iX. > > > > For those who don't know the iX - it's the probably biggest UNIX oriented > > magazine in Germany. A well regarded magazine with a remarkably high > > standard. Luckily it's makers are mostly Linux fans as you easily > > see by the fact that iX sponsored Drew's development of the 53c7,8xx.c > > driver. > And you complain about SNI's support being of interest in germany only? > Please, don't let us go into this endless loop again. This is not what I said. I said the article which is written in German language - will probably only be of interest for people in Germany. OK, maybe Switzerland and Austria, but about all. > That might all be true. However, my boxes work fine even with a.out > and with uptimes of 30,32 and 39 days. Note that two of them are > only 30 and 32 days old, and that the other box got a second harddisk > 39 days ago. All of them act as servers with a sum of about 700 to 1000 > Megs IP traffic per month, and I don't see any reason to upgrade. > Maybe with the next box, coming this week. Seems none of them uses Scotty's old root disk ... Ralf From pefo@enea.se Wed Nov 22 22:37:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA15059 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:37:12 +0100 Received: from outside.enea.se by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA21809; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:38:15 +0100 (MET) Received: by outside.enea.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA15081 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 23:39:26 +0100 Received: by outside via smap (V1.3) id sma015079; Wed Nov 22 23:39:21 1995 Received: (from pefo@localhost) by gordon.enea.se (8.7.1/8.7.1) id WAA24277 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:36:46 +0100 (MET) From: Per Fogelstrom Message-Id: <199511222136.WAA24277@gordon.enea.se> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 22:36:45 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511221359.OAA09585@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Systemkennung Linux" at Nov 22, 95 02:56:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 7673 Lines: 229 > discontinuing to support and oh, why is that damned float.h thing GCC is > always complaining about ... > This what you're looking for? From building gcc-2.7.1. #ifndef _FLOAT_H___ #define _FLOAT_H___ /* Produced by enquire version 4.3, CWI, Amsterdam */ /* Radix of exponent representation */ #undef FLT_RADIX #define FLT_RADIX 2 /* Number of base-FLT_RADIX digits in the significand of a float */ #undef FLT_MANT_DIG #define FLT_MANT_DIG 24 /* Number of decimal digits of precision in a float */ #undef FLT_DIG #define FLT_DIG 6 /* Addition rounds to 0: zero, 1: nearest, 2: +inf, 3: -inf, -1: unknown */ #undef FLT_ROUNDS #define FLT_ROUNDS 1 /* Difference between 1.0 and the minimum float greater than 1.0 */ #undef FLT_EPSILON #define FLT_EPSILON 1.19209290e-07F /* Minimum int x such that FLT_RADIX**(x-1) is a normalised float */ #undef FLT_MIN_EXP #define FLT_MIN_EXP (-125) /* Minimum normalised float */ #undef FLT_MIN #define FLT_MIN 1.17549435e-38F /* Minimum int x such that 10**x is a normalised float */ #undef FLT_MIN_10_EXP #define FLT_MIN_10_EXP (-37) /* Maximum int x such that FLT_RADIX**(x-1) is a representable float */ #undef FLT_MAX_EXP #define FLT_MAX_EXP 128 /* Maximum float */ #undef FLT_MAX #define FLT_MAX 3.40282347e+38F /* Maximum int x such that 10**x is a representable float */ #undef FLT_MAX_10_EXP #define FLT_MAX_10_EXP 38 /* Number of base-FLT_RADIX digits in the significand of a double */ #undef DBL_MANT_DIG #define DBL_MANT_DIG 53 /* Number of decimal digits of precision in a double */ #undef DBL_DIG #define DBL_DIG 15 /* Difference between 1.0 and the minimum double greater than 1.0 */ #undef DBL_EPSILON #define DBL_EPSILON 2.2204460492503131e-16 /* Minimum int x such that FLT_RADIX**(x-1) is a normalised double */ #undef DBL_MIN_EXP #define DBL_MIN_EXP (-1021) /* Minimum normalised double */ #undef DBL_MIN #define DBL_MIN 2.2250738585072014e-308 /* Minimum int x such that 10**x is a normalised double */ #undef DBL_MIN_10_EXP #define DBL_MIN_10_EXP (-307) /* Maximum int x such that FLT_RADIX**(x-1) is a representable double */ #undef DBL_MAX_EXP #define DBL_MAX_EXP 1024 /* Maximum double */ #undef DBL_MAX #define DBL_MAX 1.7976931348623157e+308 /* Maximum int x such that 10**x is a representable double */ #undef DBL_MAX_10_EXP #define DBL_MAX_10_EXP 308 /* Number of base-FLT_RADIX digits in the significand of a long double */ #undef LDBL_MANT_DIG #define LDBL_MANT_DIG 53 /* Number of decimal digits of precision in a long double */ #undef LDBL_DIG #define LDBL_DIG 15 /* Difference between 1.0 and the minimum long double greater than 1.0 */ #undef LDBL_EPSILON #define LDBL_EPSILON 2.2204460492503131e-16L /* Minimum int x such that FLT_RADIX**(x-1) is a normalised long double */ #undef LDBL_MIN_EXP #define LDBL_MIN_EXP (-1021) /* Minimum normalised long double */ #undef LDBL_MIN #define LDBL_MIN 2.2250738585072014e-308L /* Minimum int x such that 10**x is a normalised long double */ #undef LDBL_MIN_10_EXP #define LDBL_MIN_10_EXP (-307) /* Maximum int x such that FLT_RADIX**(x-1) is a representable long double */ #undef LDBL_MAX_EXP #define LDBL_MAX_EXP 1024 /* Maximum long double */ #undef LDBL_MAX #define LDBL_MAX 1.7976931348623157e+308L /* Maximum int x such that 10**x is a representable long double */ #undef LDBL_MAX_10_EXP #define LDBL_MAX_10_EXP 308 #endif /* _FLOAT_H___ */ -------------------------------------------------------------- And this is what 'enquire' throws up: Produced by enquire version 4.3, CWI, Amsterdam Compiler claims to be ANSI C level 1 SIZES char = 8 bits, signed short=16 int=32 long=32 float=32 double=64 bits long double=64 bits char*=32 bits int* =32 bits func*=32 bits Type size_t is unsigned int/long Type size_t is unsigned int/long ALIGNMENTS char=1 short=2 int=4 long=4 float=4 double=8 long double=8 char*=4 int*=4 func*=4 CHARACTER ORDER short: BA int: DCBA long: DCBA PROPERTIES OF POINTERS Char and int pointer formats seem identical Char and function pointer formats seem identical Strings are shared Type ptrdiff_t is signed int/long PROPERTIES OF INTEGRAL TYPES Overflow of a short does not generate a trap Maximum short = 32767 (= 2**15-1) Minimum short = -32768 Overflow of an int does not generate a trap Maximum int = 2147483647 (= 2**31-1) Minimum int = -2147483648 Overflow of a long does not generate a trap Maximum long = 2147483647 (= 2**31-1) Minimum long = -2147483648 Maximum unsigned short = 65535 Maximum unsigned int = 4294967295 Maximum unsigned long = 4294967295 PROMOTIONS unsigned short promotes to signed int/long long+unsigned gives unsigned int/long PROPERTIES OF FLOAT Base = 2 Significant base digits = 24 (= at least 6 decimal digits) Arithmetic rounds towards nearest Tie breaking rounds to even Smallest x such that 1.0-base**x != 1.0 = -24 Smallest x such that 1.0-x != 1.0 = 2.98023259e-08 Smallest x such that 1.0+base**x != 1.0 = -23 Smallest x such that 1.0+x != 1.0 = 5.96046519e-08 (Above number + 1.0) - 1.0 = 1.19209290e-07 Number of bits used for exponent = 8 Minimum normalised exponent = -126 Minimum normalised positive number = 1.17549435e-38 The smallest numbers are not kept normalised Smallest unnormalised positive number = 1.12103877e-44 *** WARNING: Possibly bad output from printf above expected value around 8.96831017e-44, bit pattern: 00001000 00000000 00000000 00000000 sscanf gave 7.17464814e-43, bit pattern: 01000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 difference= -6.27781712e-43 There is an 'infinite' value Maximum exponent = 128 Maximum number = 3.40282347e+38 Arithmetic uses a hidden bit It looks like single length IEEE format PROPERTIES OF DOUBLE Base = 2 Significant base digits = 53 (= at least 15 decimal digits) Arithmetic rounds towards nearest Tie breaking rounds to even Smallest x such that 1.0-base**x != 1.0 = -53 Smallest x such that 1.0-x != 1.0 = 5.5511151231257839e-17 Smallest x such that 1.0+base**x != 1.0 = -52 Smallest x such that 1.0+x != 1.0 = 1.1102230246251568e-16 (Above number + 1.0) - 1.0 = 2.2204460492503131e-16 Number of bits used for exponent = 11 Minimum normalised exponent = -1022 Minimum normalised positive number = 2.2250738585072014e-308 The smallest numbers are not kept normalised Smallest unnormalised positive number = 4.9406564584124654e-324 There is an 'infinite' value Maximum exponent = 1024 Maximum number = 1.7976931348623157e+308 Arithmetic uses a hidden bit It looks like double length IEEE format PROPERTIES OF LONG DOUBLE Base = 2 Significant base digits = 53 (= at least 15 decimal digits) Arithmetic rounds towards nearest Tie breaking rounds to even Smallest x such that 1.0-base**x != 1.0 = -53 Smallest x such that 1.0-x != 1.0 = 5.5511151231257839e-17 Smallest x such that 1.0+base**x != 1.0 = -52 Smallest x such that 1.0+x != 1.0 = 1.1102230246251568e-16 (Above number + 1.0) - 1.0 = 2.2204460492503131e-16 Number of bits used for exponent = 11 Minimum normalised exponent = -1022 Minimum normalised positive number = 2.2250738585072014e-308 The smallest numbers are not kept normalised Smallest unnormalised positive number = 4.9406564584124654e-324 There is an 'infinite' value Maximum exponent = 1024 Maximum number = 1.7976931348623157e+308 Arithmetic uses a hidden bit It looks like double length IEEE format Float expressions are evaluated in float precision Double expressions are evaluated in double precision Long double expressions are evaluated in double precision For hints on dealing with the problem above see the section 'TROUBLESHOOTING' in the file ./enquire.c From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Nov 23 11:16:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18552 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:16:54 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02938; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:09:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA29273 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:54:43 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA07977; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:53:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 08:53:31 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511230753.IAA07977@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <199511221542.IAA01161@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2250 Lines: 47 > > True. However, after I got the right memory locations, I was able to > get up an crawling in a couple of days of hacking. I did leverage off > the work that the Tyne boards had done, but it was relatively easy to > get to the point where the system tries to mount / and failed (since I > didn't have any disk drivers enabled due to size constraints, and I > wasn't sure if the then current system would do anything useful with > /, since that was pre '#' if I recall). Unless the SNI machine is > totally different and doesn't have any docs, it should be relatively > simple to get it up and running, at least to the same point the > current kernel is at (BTW, how far along are the 1.2 and 1.3 branches > in the boot process?). A lot of tools have been written to help > people get up and going on new hardware. Just a thought. Congrats to get the RPC so far! I've been promised to get all necessary information and docs from SNI. I hope they know what they did :-) > > Maybe if no one in Europe wanted to sign up to the task of getting the > SNI running, maybe that would be a useful machine to send to Drew, if > he would sign up to get something up and running on it in a reasonable > time frame. I don't know the politics of the relationship with SNI, > so I don't know if this is possible or not. Just an idea. If it is > silly, please be kind in telling me so :-). No, it's not that silly, but it might lead me into heavy problems. Imagine that, somehow, the box get lost on it's way to you. Not very probably, but Murphy is always with us, you know... Anyway, the SNI fight has been cleared: Michael Neuffer (not on the list yet) will continue the SNI port after I've made the basics. Some of you might know Michael -- he's working on the DPT/EATA SCSI drivers for Linux (correct me if I'm wrong, please). I'll sign the agreement with SNI today, and then we can go back to work again :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Nov 23 11:16:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18548 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:16:53 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02934; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:09:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA29615 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:06:20 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08032; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:05:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:05:06 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511230805.JAA08032@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life In-Reply-To: <199511221753.SAA19348@gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 769 Lines: 23 > > Seems none of them uses Scotty's old root disk ... > (for the newcomers: scotty is Waldorf's old and sloooow i486/33 mailhost...) Nope. Although it's still built in. Sometimes I mount it when I need some strange tools. This disk is full of workarounds :-) Thanks to CDC/Seagate to make such reliable disks. Full size, 330 Megs, loud as a jet, hot enough to bake eggs and slow as a dog... But unlimited retries -- guaranteed hangs your system! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Nov 23 11:17:05 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18581 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:17:04 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01966; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:16:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA00029 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:16:36 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08090; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:15:21 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:15:21 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511230815.JAA08090@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life (fwd) X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 3639 Lines: 90 Hi all, Paul sent me the following message. I'll repost it again. BTW, Paul, there's an alias for linux-mips@fnet.fr on gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de. Try , perhaps this works. >From paul@suite.sw.oz.au Thu Nov 23 00:58:48 1995 Return-Path: paul@suite.sw.oz.au From: paul@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul Antoine) Message-Id: <199511222358.AA01629@suite.sw.oz.au> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: andy@soft-n-hard.de (Andreas Busse) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:58:49 +1100 (EST) Hi Andy, Once again, I'm posting direct to you; repost if you wish. > > I think that the SNI thing, expecially under your point of view, is very good. > > It is a germany based company and it shows as collaborative. Marketing chances > > for theyr machines are much higher than for hybrid MIPS/PC we are hacking just > > now, that are ~4 years old. > > It should also be important for you all. Not that a port to the SNI baby > would make Linux/MIPS run better on a Magnum, but the project would get > attention. That's important. > Actually, the SNI port and the DEC port have a lot in common. Their architectures are far enough away from the PC-like alpha and MIPS machines that they share a common need for systematic re-organisation of the source tree to cope. So you see, the DEC port will run better (i.e. as a project) as a result of the alignment of needs and goals... > > 100% agreed. A rule for releasing binaries should also be that binaries > should work on a broad range of Linux installations. YES!!! > That is (and I will get kicked for this again): a.out is to be preferred. YES!! > I've nothing against ELF and Linux-1.3.x. But I cannot afford the > downtime to move to 1.3., at least not now. And I don't have a spare > box to play with. Well, there are two choices: either I spend all my time transfering my cross dev. machine to a release greater that the 1.3.30/a.out one with which I'm happy on my cross-dev box, and compiling the latest and greatest compilers and libraries OR I spend my valuable time writing really useful code for the port to the DEC... so I agree with you: a simple, generic, (relatively) bug-free cross-dev. environment is what we need to get the most out of everybody involved. So to those who might want to kick you for holding this view, I suggest they deal with me too (and at 110Kg they might think twice about this :-) > It's not the case that I really want to change my responsibilities, I just > ask if someone wants that. I'd really prefer if some of the hackers > around Ralf would hack the SNI port so that I can continue to keep > things moving where they seem to slow, and to stop things where they > seem to go in a wrong direction. It does seem that you're good at this, and I really feel that a German team is best for dealing with the SNI box. I suppose you could involve another European, but I don't think any of us outside of Europe can really take it on... > This afternoon I'll see Ralf and two other guys that are interested in > the SNI port. Let's see what happens... Make sure you pour in a good many beers! Regards, Paul _______________________________________________________________________________ Paul M. Antoine, Net: paul@sw.oz.au Softway Pty Ltd WWW: www.softway.com.au PO Box 305, Strawberry Hills, NSW 2012, Australia Tel: +61 2 698 2322 Level 2, 79 Myrtle St, Chippendale, NSW 2008, Australia Fax: +61 2 699 9174 "It is the lack of acceptance of diversity which threatens to destroy society, NOT the free expression of it." - Me. From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 23 16:22:04 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00545 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:22:03 +0100 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11074; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:23:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA15725; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:22:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA21461 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:23:14 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511231523.QAA21461@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA07016; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:14:19 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:14:19 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511222136.WAA24277@gordon.enea.se> from "Per Fogelstrom" at Nov 22, 95 10:36:45 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 663 Lines: 15 > > > discontinuing to support and oh, why is that damned float.h thing GCC is > > always complaining about ... > > > This what you're looking for? From building gcc-2.7.1. No, I know that float.h is for - otherwise I would never have been able to build a libc :-) This doesn't necessarily mean that I can assume people to know that, too. Though it's nice to get a newer float.h. I've built mine almost two years ago on RISC/os 4.52 running on a R2000, the last MIPS machine of the university. Now we're almost completly Sparc. Bad because I don't have a MIPS machine left for doing tests, debugging code before I use it for Linux/MIPS and so on. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 23 16:23:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00566 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:23:24 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11104; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:24:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA21734 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:26:22 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511231526.QAA21734@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA07062; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:22:52 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:22:52 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511230805.JAA08032@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 23, 95 09:05:06 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 664 Lines: 19 Hi, > > Seems none of them uses Scotty's old root disk ... > > > > (for the newcomers: scotty is Waldorf's old and sloooow > i486/33 mailhost...) > > Nope. Although it's still built in. Sometimes I mount it when I > need some strange tools. This disk is full of workarounds :-) > Thanks to CDC/Seagate to make such reliable disks. Full size, > 330 Megs, loud as a jet, hot enough to bake eggs and slow as a > dog... But unlimited retries -- guaranteed hangs your system! But there is a reliable fix for that disk - just knock on it with you fist. Don't knock to hard or you'll hear the sound of a real headcrash. Though the disk still lives ... Ralf From pefo@enea.se Thu Nov 23 16:57:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA00684 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:57:46 +0100 Received: from outside.enea.se (gateway.enea.se) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11796; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:58:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by outside.enea.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA04462 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:00:02 +0100 Received: by outside via smap (V1.3) id sma004452; Thu Nov 23 17:59:55 1995 Received: (from pefo@localhost) by gordon.enea.se (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA27576 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:57:19 +0100 (MET) From: Per Fogelstrom Message-Id: <199511231557.QAA27576@gordon.enea.se> Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:57:18 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511231523.QAA21461@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Systemkennung Linux" at Nov 23, 95 04:14:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 475 Lines: 10 > > > This what you're looking for? From building gcc-2.7.1. > > No, I know that float.h is for - otherwise I would never have been able > to build a libc :-) This doesn't necessarily mean that I can assume > people to know that, too. Though it's nice to get a newer float.h. Well, thought you were interested since you asked me for it a couple of months ago, but then i was not able to generate it yet. That's why i responed. I'm absolutely convinced that you know :-) From pab@black.uni.net Thu Nov 23 17:25:41 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00975 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:25:40 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12541; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:25:57 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id RAA01183 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:30:41 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511231730.ZM1174@black.uni.net> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:30:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: Systemkennung Linux "Re: SCSI & style of life" (Nov 23, 4:22pm) References: <199511231526.QAA21734@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 495 Lines: 13 On Nov 23, 4:22pm, Systemkennung Linux wrote: > ... > But there is a reliable fix for that disk - just knock on it with > you fist. Don't knock to hard or you'll hear the sound of a > real headcrash. Though the disk still lives ... > This reminded me an older Priam disk we had here (Priam was a manufacturer of the worsts disks ever made) that needed a manual spin to start it up, in sync with power on. It was full size and hot as hell too, and syncerley we don't miss it too much. /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 23 18:02:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01117 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:02:14 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13372; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:03:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27036 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:05:00 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511231705.SAA27036@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA07194; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:01:30 +0100 Subject: Re: SCSI & style of life To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:01:29 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9511231730.ZM1174@black.uni.net> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 23, 95 05:30:41 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 810 Lines: 18 Hi, > This reminded me an older Priam disk we had here (Priam was a manufacturer of > the worsts disks ever made) that needed a manual spin to start it up, in sync > with power on. It was full size and hot as hell too, and syncerley we don't > miss it too much. We've still a machine here at the university with one of these good old 300mb Eagle disks. Really fun; I guess the casing is about 15" wide and even deeper. Switch the machine on and the light gets darker. Connect it to your network and get fun with IP v3. But that nothing compared to my Perkin-Elmer 3205; switching it on blows the 16A fuses in most cases. But hey, it's running a real UNIX Version 7; a large part of the manuals has been written by Kernighan and Richtie. Ralf (We really should followup to alt.folklore.computers :-) From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 23 18:04:09 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01141 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:04:08 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13402; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:04:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27090 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:06:49 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511231706.SAA27090@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA07208; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:03:17 +0100 Subject: Crossdevelopment binary package To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:03:16 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2514 Lines: 62 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi all, to end up the discussion about binary packages I've uploaded to ftp.ftp.fr a snapshot of my installed binaries. The binaries are in the archive i486-linux-1.tar.gz are ELF format and have been linked with H.J Lu's libc 5.0.9. To install them just untar the archive into you root directory. The kit contains: - a.out development kit: - binutils 2.5.2 - GCC 2.7.1 including C, C++ and Objective C compilers. - Linux libc 4.6.27 header ported to MIPS - Linux libc 4.6.27 binaries (The Libc 4.6.27 stuff is not really usable with either 1.2 nor 1.3; this directory is in the state in which I left it when I finally decieded to switch to the GNU libc. I'm including it only for completeness and because it makes recompiling the a.out compiler a lot easier.) - ELF development kit: - Binutils 2.5.2 - GCC 2.7.1 including C, C++ and Objective C compilers. - GNU libc-951116 header files for - GNU libc-951116 binaries (The GNU libc stuff is a snapshot of what I'm working on ...) For installation just untar the archive into your root directory. You will have to fix the symlinks asm and linux in both /usr/mipsel-linux/ and /usr/mipsel-linuxelf/include/. You may also delete the C++, Objective C compilers and . They are included for completeness but not really required. This will give you more than 4mb. Some words about the future of the crossdevelopment stuff: To increase or decrease (depends from your point of view ...) the confusion I'll rename the targets mips{el}-linuxelf to mips{el}-linux as soon as the a.out stuff is finally no longer required. This will make the configuration naming conforming to the scheme used by other Linux targets. About 8.5mb packed (more than 23mb unpacked) are a lot; just one reason why I'm working on getting rid of the old a.out stuff. Furthermore I intend to switch to the binutils 2.6 which's new features will also help to reduce the waste of disk space, and especially on floppy disks by a huge amount. For now we'll still have to live with a installed development kit in two flavours. Ralf 509b9f8c90e00389111790b58736c4c7 i486-linux-1.tar.gz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMLSnJ0ckbl6vezDBAQHYAAP+KOzVLdk219k75ZY6wOj0lGAwVGIWmHc8 A+9CCxcbto8oQIzGiAJZZrRxBzaEilnE7Zi/C4DLIIu9f/fjbtBXpWjdrhk0HQDc Q7lEnphDvg1E3HRyhqCo/qoBxZkrlRN1VWM/qgUa8XAoa8XfSmyCufLC3BTg5/xY aZ0duedtOjM= =KSF5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pab@RMnet.IT Thu Nov 23 23:47:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA02141 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:47:22 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18656; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:48:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA14393 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:50:36 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951123234459.ZM6806@pag> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 23:44:58 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Low-res problem idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1183 Lines: 38 Hi again, If my supposition about the cause of this problem (ie. board's bug with data in endianess different than expected) makes any sense, can the nice R4000 r/w with the 'right' endianess into the VRAM area ? I haven't my manual set around (that bunch of A4 paper is able to mimetize quite good) to check this now, but i'm sure that somebody on here knows .. The only two env. (conf. floppy and RISC/os PROM) with i've a good display are both b.e... gee... why we don't switch the whole thing to be ? :)) /pab NT note: 3.51 server release installation hangs at first disk access (i wanted to test graphic modes with it), i ran scsi(0)cdrom(x)fdisk(0)\mips\arcinst.exe and then ..\mips\setupldr but i'm not sure it's correct, i don't want to touch the glossy relnotes of NT .... brrr.... BSD4.4 note: The doc set is nice! Expecially the sysadm (ie one of jobs i'm supposed to do (too)) part tells nice things about lotta cool stuff ... i'm fascinated by amd at the present ... Stability in file system availabity .... Watta dream ... WIN95 note: It sucks (i feel like a young Linux fanatic when i say that), watta do you expected to read here ? i From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Fri Nov 24 04:45:46 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA04405 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:45:45 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24182; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:46:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA29123 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:48:59 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511240348.EAA29123@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA13625; Fri, 24 Nov 95 04:46:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Low-res problem idea To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 04:46:11 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <951123234459.ZM6806@pag> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 23, 95 11:44:58 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1260 Lines: 29 Hi again, > If my supposition about the cause of this problem (ie. board's bug with > data in endianess different than expected) makes any sense, can the nice > R4000 r/w with the 'right' endianess into the VRAM area ? I haven't my > manual set around (that bunch of A4 paper is able to mimetize quite > good) to check this now, but i'm sure that somebody on here knows .. If this is really the source of the trouble you might experiment with the RE (reverse endian) bit in the status register. Or just converting the byte order manually. > The only two env. (conf. floppy and RISC/os PROM) with i've a good > display are both b.e... gee... why we don't switch the whole thing to be > ? :)) Linux doesn't yet handle big endian machines very good. Especially the filesystem made serious trouble. The worst thing is that you cannot easily build filesystem images on your PC to boot your Linux machine. Another problem is that my Acer board cannot be reconfigured to big endian byte order. > WIN95 note: It sucks (i feel like a young Linux fanatic when i say > that), watta do you expected to read here ? Nothing else. I needed just a view minutes to learn that Win95 is really better than Win 3.1. Better still means not good enough. Ralf From zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru Fri Nov 24 07:35:10 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA04954 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:35:09 +0100 From: zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru Received: from ithil.mcst.ru by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26928; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:35:42 +0100 (MET) Received: by ithil.mcst.ru (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10651; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:36:52 +0300 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:36:52 +0300 Message-Id: <199511240636.JAA10651@ithil.mcst.ru> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Low-res problem idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: nTkcUYFLObpoBiYyhEC1VQ== Content-Length: 451 Lines: 9 > Linux doesn't yet handle big endian machines very good. Especially > the filesystem made serious trouble. The worst thing is that you cannot > easily build filesystem images on your PC to boot your Linux machine. This is not the case for a two or three days already. The hottest news is that gcc compiles object code on SPARC with i386-compatible ext2 filesystem. But I have not done this myself yet and rely on i386 with a cross-compiler. Pete From davem@caip.rutgers.edu Fri Nov 24 07:49:09 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA05019 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:49:08 +0100 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27204; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 07:50:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA24589 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:50:17 -0500 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id BAA26737; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:50:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:50:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199511240650.BAA26737@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199511240636.JAA10651@ithil.mcst.ru> (zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru) Subject: Re: Low-res problem idea Content-Length: 1081 Lines: 28 From: zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:36:52 +0300 > Linux doesn't yet handle big endian machines very good. Especially > the filesystem made serious trouble. The worst thing is that you cannot > easily build filesystem images on your PC to boot your Linux machine. This is not the case for a two or three days already. The hottest news is that gcc compiles object code on SPARC with i386-compatible ext2 filesystem. But I have not done this myself yet and rely on i386 with a cross-compiler. Peter is correct, I wrote the necessary byte swapping / bit-swapping code for the ext2 filesystem sources in the kernel. The code basically turns into nops on little endian machines, but does the correct thing on big endian architectures. A copy of my tools which create little endian ext2 filesystems on big endian sparc machines can be gotten from: vger.rutgers.edu:/pub/linux/Sparc/ext2fs/e2fsprogs.tar.gz I have built two kernels under sparclinux on these filesystems, so things seem ok. Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Sat Nov 25 00:59:57 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA08255 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:59:54 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19023; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:00:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA12462 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 01:03:02 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511250003.BAA12462@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA08910; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:59:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Low-res problem idea To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:59:20 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511240650.BAA26737@huahaga.rutgers.edu> from "David S. Miller" at Nov 24, 95 01:50:17 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1860 Lines: 41 Hi all, > From: zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru > Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:36:52 +0300 > > > Linux doesn't yet handle big endian machines very good. Especially > > the filesystem made serious trouble. The worst thing is that you cannot > > easily build filesystem images on your PC to boot your Linux machine. > > This is not the case for a two or three days already. The hottest news is > that gcc compiles object code on SPARC with i386-compatible ext2 filesystem. > But I have not done this myself yet and rely on i386 with a cross-compiler. > > > Peter is correct, I wrote the necessary byte swapping / bit-swapping > code for the ext2 filesystem sources in the kernel. The code > basically turns into nops on little endian machines, but does the > correct thing on big endian architectures. > > A copy of my tools which create little endian ext2 filesystems on big > endian sparc machines can be gotten from: > > vger.rutgers.edu:/pub/linux/Sparc/ext2fs/e2fsprogs.tar.gz > > I have built two kernels under sparclinux on these filesystems, so > things seem ok. Thanks for the info; that's really interesting news. I guess this will not only help the Sparc and m68k people, but also people that intend like Larry to port Linux/MIPS to big endian machines. How about setting up a new mailing list exclusivly dedicated to the purpose of porting Linux to other architectures? I think in general there is often a bit a lack of comunication between the Linux peoples about such issues. Recently the were a few email discussions about portability topics. Unfortunately not all the people that should had interest in the discussion were involved and I think a mailing list would be a way to solve the problem. I think we could setup such a list with *fast* answer times on either fnet.fr (Stoned, Luc?) or on phil.uni-sb.de. Ralf From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Sat Nov 25 18:15:12 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12772 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:15:11 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02466; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:16:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id SAA12284; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:16:16 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id SAA08551; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:15:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199511251715.SAA08551@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Low-res problem idea In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:59:20 +0100." <199511250003.BAA12462@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:15:15 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 877 Lines: 18 Hi all, >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: [SNIP] Ralf> How about setting up a new mailing list exclusivly dedicated to Ralf> the purpose of porting Linux to other architectures? I think in Ralf> general there is often a bit a lack of comunication between the Ralf> Linux peoples about such issues. Recently the were a few email Ralf> discussions about portability topics. Unfortunately not all the Ralf> people that should had interest in the discussion were involved Ralf> and I think a mailing list would be a way to solve the problem. Ralf> I think we could setup such a list with *fast* answer times on Ralf> either fnet.fr (Stoned, Luc?) or on phil.uni-sb.de. Yes we can do that! Well, we are going to ask to Fnet council the 'OK' then we are going to setup a linux-port@fnet.fr, or whatever name you'd like. Cheers, Stoned. From pab@RMnet.IT Sat Nov 25 18:36:46 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA12855 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:36:42 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02711; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:37:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA31503 for ; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:39:03 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951125183351.ZM18390@pag> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:33:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: Stoned Elipot "Re: Low-res problem idea" (Nov 25, 18:15) References: <199511251715.SAA08551@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Linux inter-port list [was: Re: Low-res problem idea] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 872 Lines: 20 Hi again, > >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: > [SNIP] > Ralf> How about setting up a new mailing list exclusivly dedicated to > Ralf> the purpose of porting Linux to other architectures? I think in > Ralf> general there is often a bit a lack of comunication between the > Ralf> Linux peoples about such issues. Recently the were a few email > Ralf> discussions about portability topics. Unfortunately not all the > Ralf> people that should had interest in the discussion were involved > Ralf> and I think a mailing list would be a way to solve the problem. > Ralf> I think we could setup such a list with *fast* answer times on > Ralf> either fnet.fr (Stoned, Luc?) or on phil.uni-sb.de. > We're welcome to host the list at uninet sites, i think i would do it with the good procmail stuff Stoned told me time ago. /pab From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Sun Nov 26 01:17:13 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA14389 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:17:10 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08131; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:18:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA05505 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:20:37 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511260020.BAA05505@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA29588; Sun, 26 Nov 95 01:17:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Linux inter-port list [was: Re: Low-res problem idea] To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:17:35 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <951125183351.ZM18390@pag> from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 25, 95 06:33:49 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1075 Lines: 24 Hi again, > > >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux > writes: > > [SNIP] > > Ralf> How about setting up a new mailing list exclusivly dedicated to > > Ralf> the purpose of porting Linux to other architectures? I think in > > Ralf> general there is often a bit a lack of comunication between the > > Ralf> Linux peoples about such issues. Recently the were a few email > > Ralf> discussions about portability topics. Unfortunately not all the > > Ralf> people that should had interest in the discussion were involved > > Ralf> and I think a mailing list would be a way to solve the problem. > > Ralf> I think we could setup such a list with *fast* answer times on > > Ralf> either fnet.fr (Stoned, Luc?) or on phil.uni-sb.de. > > > > We're welcome to host the list at uninet sites, i think i would do it > with the good procmail stuff Stoned told me time ago. Well, I mentioned both sites because they are already running mailing lists, have often answer times below 10s and because I account the sysadmins personal friends :-) Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Sun Nov 26 01:19:56 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA14421 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:19:56 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08197; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:20:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA05538 for ; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:23:24 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511260023.BAA05538@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA29610; Sun, 26 Nov 95 01:20:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Low-res problem idea To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 01:20:23 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511251715.SAA08551@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> from "Stoned Elipot" at Nov 25, 95 06:15:15 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1030 Lines: 22 Hi all, > >>>>> "Ralf" == Systemkennung Linux writes: > [SNIP] > Ralf> How about setting up a new mailing list exclusivly dedicated to > Ralf> the purpose of porting Linux to other architectures? I think in > Ralf> general there is often a bit a lack of comunication between the > Ralf> Linux peoples about such issues. Recently the were a few email > Ralf> discussions about portability topics. Unfortunately not all the > Ralf> people that should had interest in the discussion were involved > Ralf> and I think a mailing list would be a way to solve the problem. > Ralf> I think we could setup such a list with *fast* answer times on > Ralf> either fnet.fr (Stoned, Luc?) or on phil.uni-sb.de. > > Yes we can do that! Well, we are going to ask to Fnet council the 'OK' > then we are going to setup a linux-port@fnet.fr, or whatever name > you'd like. OK, I'll as soon as you have the ok I'll then write an email to all the people that I believe have have interest in such a list. Ralf From linux@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Mon Nov 27 12:44:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA23981 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:44:54 +0100 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09164; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:45:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (linux@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA19693 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:45:47 +0100 Received: (from linux@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA03899 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:37:32 +0100 From: linux-user Message-Id: <199511271137.MAA03899@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Weekend offline To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:37:31 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511250003.BAA12462@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> from "Systemkennung Linux" at Nov 25, 95 00:59:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 247 Lines: 10 Hi all, it looks as if my complete email is trashed. Can someone fill me in on the last weekend? (beginning friday evening) (BTW: Andy, my least significant MX has changed, since scotty didn't relay mail for me anymore :)) Greetings, Jens From pab@black.uni.net Mon Nov 27 13:14:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA24099 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:14:53 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09823; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:15:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id NAA02587 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:20:53 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511271320.ZM2582@black.uni.net> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:20:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: linux-user "Weekend offline" (Nov 27, 12:37pm) References: <199511271137.MAA03899@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Weekend offline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 376 Lines: 14 Hello, On Nov 27, 12:37pm, linux-user wrote: > Subject: Weekend offline > Hi all, > > it looks as if my complete email is trashed. > Can someone fill me in on the last weekend? (beginning friday evening) > You didn't missed anything. Actually, it was a long, boring, raining weekend. The list didn't moved, and i wrote some optimized code for the console. That's all. /pab From beurton@fnet.fr Mon Nov 27 14:28:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24383 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:28:54 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11277; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:30:08 +0100 (MET) Received: (from beurton@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09014 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:30:09 +0100 From: Luc Beurton Message-Id: <199511271330.OAA09014@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: Re: Weekend offline To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 14:30:09 MET In-Reply-To: <9511271320.ZM2582@black.uni.net>; from "Paolo Bevilacqua" at Nov 27, 95 1:20 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 1015 Lines: 23 > > Hello, > On Nov 27, 12:37pm, linux-user wrote: > > Subject: Weekend offline > > Hi all, > > > > it looks as if my complete email is trashed. > > Can someone fill me in on the last weekend? (beginning friday evening) > > > > You didn't missed anything. Actually, it was a long, boring, raining weekend. > The list didn't moved, and i wrote some optimized code for the console. That's > all. > Hi all, I've done some test this week-end too, and I found that the function gprint_char is not very slow but the real probleme is the scrolling. So, I try to use the option Top of the screen of the G364 board. The VRAM could be saw as a circular buffer. I've only tested this way of scrolling on the Hello_World_VMlinux, with only down scrolling. I think it could be as fast as a text card on my PC. So two questions: - Can we rely on 2MB of VRAM or is somebody got less with his G364 ? - Paolo, what's new with your 4bpp stuff ? less bpp we can use more this 'circular buffer' will be usefull. Cheers Luc. From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Nov 27 14:52:47 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24540 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:52:46 +0100 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11772; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:53:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.12/94.01.10); id OAA20844; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:53:34 +0100 Received: from localhost.univ-evry.fr (localhost.univ-evry.fr [127.0.0.1]) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr with SMTP (8.6.12/94.01.26); id OAA18134; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:52:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199511271352.OAA18134@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: list archives X-Mailer: MH 6.8.3, MH-E 5.0.1 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:52:33 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Content-Length: 1265 Lines: 30 Hi all, I only want to remind you some little things: - the monthly archives of this list are available in ftp.fnet.fr:/linux-mips/private/mail-archive/ (they are put there somewhere between the 1st and the 5th of each following month) - the weekly archives (as well as the monthly ones, data replication :) are available by the archive functionality of the list. To have the help on this just send a mail to linux-mips-request@fnet.fr with the two words 'help archive' in the subject. All you have to know is that: - monthly archives files are in list subdirectory archive/monthly/ and are named like 'month-10-1995' - weekly archives files are in list subdirectory archive/weekly/ and are named like 'week-43-1995' - each individual submission to the list is stored as a single numbered file in the list subdirectory archive/latest/ Well reading the help text, and doing a few 'ls' command will clear things ;) Cheers, Stoned. --- PS/ tip for Jens: want to know what was going on last weekend? Just grab the archive for the last week: put 'get archive/weekly/week-47-1995' in the body of a mail, 'archive' in its subject and send it to linux-mips-request@fnet.fr, "et voila" in french in the text :) I love procmail... From pefo@enea.se Mon Nov 27 15:34:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA24833 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:34:01 +0100 Received: from outside.enea.se (gateway.enea.se) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA12778; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:34:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by outside.enea.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA25303 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:35:50 +0100 Received: by outside via smap (V1.3) id sma025301; Mon Nov 27 16:35:35 1995 Received: (from pefo@localhost) by gordon.enea.se (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA20226 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:32:56 +0100 (MET) From: Per Fogelstrom Message-Id: <199511271432.PAA20226@gordon.enea.se> Subject: scrolling To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:32:55 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511271330.OAA09014@nil.fnet.fr> from "Luc Beurton" at Nov 27, 95 02:30:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1811 Lines: 39 > > I've done some test this week-end too, and I found that the function gprint_char is not very slow but the real probleme is the scrolling. So, I try to use the option Top of the screen of the G364 board. The VRAM could be saw as a circular buffer. I've only tested this way of scrolling on the Hello_World_VMlinux, with only down scrolling. I think it could be as fast as a text card on my PC. > So two questions: > - Can we rely on 2MB of VRAM or is somebody got less with his G364 ? > - Paolo, what's new with your 4bpp stuff ? less bpp we can use more this 'circular buffer' will be usefull. > Hmm, have you considered rendering the screen from a text copy of the screen instead of scrolling? I'm not familiar enough with the G364 but here are a couple of reasons it may be faster: o The read access time to the v-ram can be long enough to ruin the performance completely. Optimizing copy loops in the driver is just waste of time. o Writes to the board might be pipelined so it can sustain a greater bandwith than reads. o Cached reads clobber the cache even if it's increases the read speed some. o Uncached reads is a pain if you have to do a lot..... o By rendering chars scanlinewise writes to the vram can be minimized. And of course optimizing scanline length depending on how long the lines are.. o And many more reasons.. It might be easier to get rerendering working than some kind of hardware scrolling. Also hardware scroll looses if you want to implement scroll regions as in VT emulation. Also, you don't have to consider vram configurations so much. You could measure the character rendering speed by filling the screen with N characters without scrolling N times and time it. Just a thought.... Per From beurton@fnet.fr Mon Nov 27 17:19:13 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA25211 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:19:12 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15714; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:20:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from beurton@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA17503 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:20:27 +0100 From: Luc Beurton Message-Id: <199511271620.RAA17503@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: Re: scrolling To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 17:20:26 MET In-Reply-To: <199511271432.PAA20226@gordon.enea.se>; from "Per Fogelstrom" at Nov 27, 95 3:32 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 1772 Lines: 52 > Hmm, have you considered rendering the screen from a text copy of the > screen instead of scrolling? I'm not familiar enough with the G364 but > here are a couple of reasons it may be faster: > > o The read access time to the v-ram can be long enough to > ruin the performance completely. Optimizing copy loops > in the driver is just waste of time. > > o Writes to the board might be pipelined so it can sustain > a greater bandwith than reads. > > o Cached reads clobber the cache even if it's increases the > read speed some. > > o Uncached reads is a pain if you have to do a lot..... > > o By rendering chars scanlinewise writes to the vram can be > minimized. And of course optimizing scanline length depending > on how long the lines are.. > > o And many more reasons.. > > It might be easier to get rerendering working than some kind of hardware > scrolling. Also hardware scroll looses if you want to implement scroll > regions as in VT emulation. > Also, you don't have to consider vram configurations so much. > > You could measure the character rendering speed by filling the screen > with N characters without scrolling N times and time it. > > Just a thought.... > > Per > Hi, I think there are two differents things: - Redrawing a new screen - Scrolling one or X lines. I don't know well VT Emulation, but for Linux/68K there are two fonctions (scrollup,scrolldown) which use the graphic for doing a graph scrolling. not a text scolling. I thought that 'vi' or 'more' or ... use the scroll of VT emulation which use some graph scrolling... But it was only a test. I think text scrolling imply a lot of memory moving . Luc. PS: I like playing with graphics board From pab@RMnet.IT Mon Nov 27 22:35:25 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA26312 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:35:21 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22148; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:36:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA19754 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:37:50 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951127223312.ZM10406@pag> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 22:33:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: Luc Beurton "Re: Weekend offline" (Nov 27, 14:30) References: <199511271330.OAA09014@nil.fnet.fr> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Weekend offline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1178 Lines: 26 On Nov 27, 14:30, Luc Beurton wrote: > ... > > I've done some test this week-end too, and I found that the function gprint_char is not very slow but the real probleme is the scrolling. So, I try to use the option Top of the screen of the G364 board. The VRAM could be saw as a circular buffer. I've only tested this way of scrolling on the Hello_World_VMlinux, with only down scrolling. I think it could be as fast as a text card on my PC. > So two questions: > - Can we rely on 2MB of VRAM or is somebody got less with his G364 ? Low reas card, if it will be ever possible to actually use it, has 1MB only. > - Paolo, what's new with your 4bpp stuff ? less bpp we can use more this 'circular buffer' will be usefull. > I've almost done with 1 (one) BPP code. I didn't approached yet the scrolling code but that's better since Luc is doing it. Of course as smaller is the 'visible' portion of the buffer as more convenient is the hardware scrolling code. Anyway, the G364 doc states that values bigger then 256 shouln't be written into the top of screen register, i hope this isn't true. I hope that will be not too difficult to merge our the codes! /pab From pab@RMnet.IT Mon Nov 27 23:09:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA26577 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:09:13 +0100 Received: from malcolm.RMnet.it by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22810; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:10:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from pag (pag.RMnet.it [194.20.98.41]) by malcolm.rmnet.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA20434 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:11:42 +0100 From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <951127230704.ZM10406@pag> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:07:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: Luc Beurton "Re: scrolling" (Nov 27, 17:20) References: <199511271620.RAA17503@nil.fnet.fr> X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0 (4.0.0 Aug 21 1995) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: scrolling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 1693 Lines: 48 Hello, > > Hmm, have you considered rendering the screen from a text copy of the > > screen instead of scrolling? I'm not familiar enough with the G364 but > > here are a couple of reasons it may be faster: > > > > o The read access time to the v-ram can be long enough to > > ruin the performance completely. Optimizing copy loops > > in the driver is just waste of time. > > > > o Writes to the board might be pipelined so it can sustain > > a greater bandwith than reads. > > > > o Cached reads clobber the cache even if it's increases the > > read speed some. > > > > o Uncached reads is a pain if you have to do a lot..... > > > > o By rendering chars scanlinewise writes to the vram can be > > minimized. And of course optimizing scanline length depending > > on how long the lines are.. > > > > o And many more reasons.. > > > > It might be easier to get rerendering working than some kind of hardware > > scrolling. Also hardware scroll looses if you want to implement scroll > > regions as in VT emulation. > > Also, you don't have to consider vram configurations so much. > > > > You could measure the character rendering speed by filling the screen > > with N characters without scrolling N times and time it. > > > > Just a thought.... > > > > Per Per's considerations are surely right. Actually, to minimize vram access the 1BPP code writes always (ok, whenever possible) a 32bit word at time into the buffer, ie a scanline of four consecutive characters. This won't make region scrolling easier or faster, but there are perfectly usable terminals (ANSI) implemented without it. /pab From tatsuya@aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp Tue Nov 28 15:09:41 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01071 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:09:37 +0100 Received: from gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10645; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:10:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (kbtmx.kubota.co.jp [133.253.122.1]) by gatekeeper.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA08899 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:11:13 +0100 Received: from maya.mfg.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.6.10+2.4W/3.3W9-95030711) with ESMTP id XAA11033 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:08:54 +0900 Received: (from uunagoya@localhost) by maya.mfg.kubota.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4Wbeta6/master_95061410) with UUCP id XAA17220 for linux@waldorf-gmbh.de; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:08:22 +0900 Received: from aladdin by nagoya.na.kubota.co.jp (5.61/6.4J.6-RISCos5.01) id AA03280; Tue, 28 Nov 95 23:09:16 +0900 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp (8.7+2.6Wbeta4/3.3W8-09/05/95) with SMTP id XAA09674; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:06:47 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199511281406.XAA09674@aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp> X-Authentication-Warning: aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de Cc: tatsuya@aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp Subject: about Linux/MIPS Reply-To: tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 1.01 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 23:06:46 +0900 From: Tatsuya Nakamura/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2ZCPE42TGkbKEI=?= Content-Length: 418 Lines: 14 Hello, I'm very interested in Linux/MIPS. But I don't have R4000 based system. If you have a plan for porting Linux/MIPS to R3000 based system, (for example, MIPS RS3330... it's I have.) may I help you ? with best regards. Kubota Computer Inc,. Japan. Tatsuya Nakamura E-mail tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp From andy@soft-n-hard.de Wed Nov 29 16:31:38 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01154 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:31:36 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10650; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:32:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA09859 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:33:04 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA17233; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:32:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:32:18 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511291532.QAA17233@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Latest News X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1352 Lines: 36 Hi all, I'm as usual in a hurry (any news about the 36h/day update?) so here's just a short summary of the latest news: - the SNI contract is "certified". The german Unix magazine "iX" will announce the cooperation between us and SNI in the january issue. SNI officially confirmed the cooperation to Harald Milz of iX. - I'll get the RM200 box next week. We'll get full technical documentation directly from SNI Munich. - I received a query from SGI Switzerland regarding the state of the Linux/MIPS project. A customer wrote an application for Linux/i386 and SGI wants a port to a Mips platform running Linux/MIPS. This might become a very interesting thing. - Paul Antoine (still not able to post to the list) has gotten quite far with the DEC port. If I understood him right, he has a bootloader and a partly working kernel. Cache control and exception handlers work already. One question: Has anyone responded to the question regarding R3000 support? I saw something in the list this morning. Please, would someone answer this? Thanks, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From elipot@fnet.fr Wed Nov 29 17:09:34 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA01597 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:09:34 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11530; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:10:52 +0100 (MET) Received: (from elipot@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA27273 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:10:55 +0100 From: Stoned Elipot Message-Id: <199511291610.RAA27273@nil.fnet.fr> Subject: R3000 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:10:55 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Content-Length: 412 Lines: 13 Hi all, Andy wrote: >One question: Has anyone responded to the question regarding >R3000 support? I saw something in the list this morning. Please, >would someone answer this? Ok I could answer that, but please I can't remember how got a R3000 :( Paul, is a DEC5000 got a R3000, and do you think that your bootloader -about which Andy talked- can be in any way included in the Milo package ? Cheers, Stoned. From beurton@fnet.fr Wed Nov 29 20:23:05 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA03924 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:23:04 +0100 Received: from nil.fnet.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA15559; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:24:23 +0100 (MET) Received: (from beurton@localhost) by nil.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA14267; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:24:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:24:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199511291924.UAA14267@nil.fnet.fr> From: Luc Beurton To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Power compagny is on strike X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.30] Mail Mode X-Attribution: lb Reply-To: Luc.Beurton@fnet.fr Content-Length: 275 Lines: 13 Hi all, There is a lot of strike in France nowadays :) Tomorrow the french Power compagny could be on strike at any time. So, some troubles could appear around the fnet site. Cheers Luc. PS: God of the black UPS may help us. pray my brothers :) PS2: Harry up! Backup! From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Nov 30 12:18:19 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00540 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:18:17 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA16038; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:55:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA29673; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:55:55 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA18710; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:55:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:55:00 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511291955.UAA18710@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: about Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: <199511281406.XAA09674@aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp> Cc: tatsuya@aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 977 Lines: 31 Hello, > > I'm very interested in Linux/MIPS. > But I don't have R4000 based system. > > If you have a plan for porting Linux/MIPS to R3000 based system, > (for example, MIPS RS3330... it's I have.) > may I help you ? > Thanks a lot for your interest in Linux/MIPS! Yes, there are plans to port Linux to the R3000 family, and there's also some progress, at least for DECstations. Unfortunally, we don't have any code for older Mips RC3xxx boxes yet, but there are several other people on our mailing list that own similar machines. If you like, you are welcome to join our mailing list. Also, please let me know if you have further questions. Best regards, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From pab@black.uni.net Thu Nov 30 12:18:16 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00535 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:18:14 +0100 Received: from black.uni.net ([194.183.2.137]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA17003; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:57:44 +0100 (MET) Received: (from pab@localhost) by black.uni.net (8.7/8.7) id WAA03197 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:02:48 +0100 (MET) From: "Paolo Bevilacqua" Message-Id: <9511292202.ZM3193@black.uni.net> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:02:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: Luc Beurton "Power compagny is on strike" (Nov 29, 8:24pm) References: <199511291924.UAA14267@nil.fnet.fr> X-Organization: UniNet IP Services X-Phone: +39 6 3938 7318 X-Fax: +39 6 3936 6949 X-Ncc-Regid: it.uninet X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Power compagny is on strike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 427 Lines: 13 On Nov 29, 8:24pm, Luc Beurton wrote: > Subject: Power compagny is on strike > ... > > PS: God of the black UPS may help us. pray my brothers :) > PS2: Harry up! Backup! I would liked to have this god closer to me, wehn latets fri. 17, a power booth exploded blacking out our facilities. All that remember of this day is that at 5.45 am. i was still fighting with tapes, with my colleague Fulvio sleeping on the desk. /pab From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Nov 30 12:18:06 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00474 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:17:59 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA27425; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:43:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA23720; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:43:31 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27295; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:42:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:42:43 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511300742.IAA27295@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: tatsuya@na.kubota.co.jp, andy@soft-n-hard.de Subject: Re: about Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: <199511300410.NAA24318@aladdin.na.kubota.co.jp> Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 914 Lines: 33 Hi Tatsuya, > I want to subscribe your mailing list. > And please tell me where the FTP site of newest Linux/MIPS code. > > with best regards, > Tatsuya > ok, welcome to Linux/MIPS! The latest sources are on ftp://ftp.fnet.fr/pub/linux-mips/ FNET is also running our mailing list, but due to some social problems the french utilities might strike today. If you can't get thru, try the other major Linux ftp sites (e.g. sunsite etc.). We'll also put you on the list. Feel free to post any questions you have! Cheers, Andy P.S.: Stoned or Luc, could you please put Tatsuya on the list? Thanks, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 30 12:17:58 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00463 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:17:57 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29206; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:22:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14342 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:21:45 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511300921.KAA14342@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA14548; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:20:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Latest News To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:20:45 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511291532.QAA17233@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 29, 95 04:32:18 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1441 Lines: 38 Hi all, > - the SNI contract is "certified". The german Unix magazine "iX" > will announce the cooperation between us and SNI in the january > issue. SNI officially confirmed the cooperation to Harald Milz of iX. Apropos iX - I recently announced an article about the Linux ports. Unfortunately the article will not be printed in the January but the February issue. There were already too many Linux articles in the january issue ... > - I'll get the RM200 box next week. We'll get full technical > documentation directly from SNI Munich. Great. Guess Michael is really keen to get all that stuff ... > - I received a query from SGI Switzerland regarding the state > of the Linux/MIPS project. A customer wrote an application for > Linux/i386 and SGI wants a port to a Mips platform running > Linux/MIPS. This might become a very interesting thing. Yes, if they permit Larry to hack Linux at work :-) > - Paul Antoine (still not able to post to the list) has gotten > quite far with the DEC port. If I understood him right, he > has a bootloader and a partly working kernel. Cache control > and exception handlers work already. Yes, I'm currently talking with him how to integrate the stuff in a reasonable manner into the standard kernel. > One question: Has anyone responded to the question regarding > R3000 support? I saw something in the list this morning. Please, > would someone answer this? Just sent an answer. Ralf From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 30 12:17:56 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00459 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:17:53 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29274; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:26:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA14462 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:26:02 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511300926.KAA14462@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA14563; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:25:03 +0100 Subject: Floppy driver bug. To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:25:02 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 194 Lines: 7 Hi, I just found a bug in the floppy driver. Andy disabled the support for the second floppy driver. Unfortunately there is a bug that then results in random writes into the memory. Ralf From andy@soft-n-hard.de Thu Nov 30 12:22:52 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00640 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:22:52 +0100 Received: from bnc.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA01956; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:24:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from newton.soft-n-hard.de (newton.soft-n-hard.de [194.163.66.33]) by bnc.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA00260 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:24:21 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.soft-n-hard.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA28597; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:23:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:23:34 +0100 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199511301123.MAA28597@newton.soft-n-hard.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Floppy driver bug. In-Reply-To: <199511300926.KAA14462@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 573 Lines: 18 Hi, > > I just found a bug in the floppy driver. Andy disabled the support for > the second floppy driver. Unfortunately there is a bug that then > results in random writes into the memory. > Hmmm. Is this a bug in the standard driver, or is this my fault? Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@soft-n-hard.de Soft N Hard GbR | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Im Hufen Boden 16, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Thu Nov 30 13:01:50 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA00261 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:01:49 +0100 Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA02767; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:02:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from ozzy (ozzy.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.5.8]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA23920 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:01:54 +0100 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199511301201.NAA23920@informatik.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by ozzy (5.x/KO-2.0) id AA15100; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:00:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Floppy driver bug. To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:00:52 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199511301123.MAA28597@newton.soft-n-hard.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Nov 30, 95 12:23:34 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 945 Lines: 22 Hi, > > I just found a bug in the floppy driver. Andy disabled the support for > > the second floppy driver. Unfortunately there is a bug that then > > results in random writes into the memory. > > Hmmm. Is this a bug in the standard driver, or is this my fault? It is a bug in the standard driver that was activated by your changes. Just look into drivers/block/floppy.c, into function set_fdc(). This functions calls set_dor() twice. Once for controller fdc and once for controller 1-fdc. The later call results in erroneous memory accesses when N_FDC (in ) has been defined to 1, not two. Just put #if N_FDC > 1 ... #endif around the second call and everything is ok. Finding this bug was a bit of luck - I wondered about certain "unplaned" memory accesses when debugging something else. The consequences however are fatal - every process that is just running when set_fdc is being called gets "tuned" ... Ralf From zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru Thu Nov 30 14:15:43 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA01245 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:15:41 +0100 From: zaitcev@ithil.mcst.ru Received: from ithil.mcst.ru by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04207; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:16:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by ithil.mcst.ru (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08693; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:17:33 +0300 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:17:33 +0300 Message-Id: <199511301317.QAA08693@ithil.mcst.ru> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Floppy driver bug. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: L21Wl+rUFOIWGR/ZWsttng== Content-Length: 471 Lines: 11 > Just look into drivers/block/floppy.c, into function set_fdc(). This > functions calls set_dor() twice. Once for controller fdc and once > for controller 1-fdc. The later call results in erroneous memory > accesses when N_FDC (in ) has been defined to 1, not two. > Just put #if N_FDC > 1 ... #endif around the second call and everything > is ok. I found this bug on SPARC, so the fix should be in the mainstream 1.3.45 kernel by Linus already. Pete