From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 15:54:48 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA26641 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:54:48 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA05794; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:00:15 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id QAA27069; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:01:01 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26684; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:00:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:00:12 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281400.QAA26684@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: foreign test In-Reply-To: <199508281353.PAA06341@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 161 Lines: 12 > > Hi, just a test of foreign posting, as it should be > possible. > > Bidon Plastique aka Stoned :) > Got it. Interesting account :-) Cheers, Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 16:08:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26834 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:08:50 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06078; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:14:18 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id QAA27280; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:13:48 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA26720; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:12:59 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:12:59 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281412.QAA26720@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de Subject: New list opened X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 627 Lines: 19 Hi all! The new mailing list at FNET.FR is opened. The list's address is . Postings to the old address are still allowed and will be forwarded to the new list. Thanks a lot to the FNET council and especially to Luc Beurton and Stoned Elipot for making this possible! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Waldorf Electronics GmbH, R&D Dep. | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Neustrasse 9-12, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From linux@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de Mon Aug 28 16:12:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26892 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:12:50 -0700 Received: from infko.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA06153; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:18:09 +0200 (MET) Received: from flake.uni-koblenz.de (linux@flake.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.37]) by infko.uni-koblenz.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24054 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:19:27 +0200 From: Systemkennung Linux Message-Id: <199508281419.QAA24054@infko.uni-koblenz.de> Received: by flake.uni-koblenz.de (4.1/KO-2.0) id AA16513; Mon, 28 Aug 95 16:17:45 +0200 Subject: Re: foreign test To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:17:45 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281400.QAA26684@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Aug 28, 95 04:00:12 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 779 Lines: 27 Hi Stoned, thanks for your work with the new list server! Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:54:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:00:12 +0200 To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: foreign test Resent-Message-ID: <"4G5y92.0.NW6.xaaGm"@guadalquivir.fnet.fr> Resent-From: linux-mips@guadalquivir.fnet.fr X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: linux-mips@guadalquivir.fnet.fr Reply-To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Precedence: first-class Resent-Sender: linux-mips-request@guadalquivir.fnet.fr Nice, real headers ... Now we could link our list to others without having to expect real trouble :-) > > Hi, just a test of foreign posting, as it should be > > possible. > > > > Bidon Plastique aka Stoned :) > > Got it. Interesting account :-) Ralf From imp@rover.village.org Mon Aug 28 17:50:55 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA27985 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:50:54 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08639; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:56:24 +0200 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id RAA30830; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:57:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA16950; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:56:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199508281556.JAA16950@rover.village.org> To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de, Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services Cc: Luc.Beurton@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:33:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:56:12 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 209 Lines: 6 If everything falls through on the fnet.fr side of the world for some reason, we have bandwidth and a little disk space here in the village we could likely dedicate to the FTP,HTTP and mail services. Warner From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 17:56:29 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA28052 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:56:28 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08738; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:01:58 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA30930; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:02:50 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA26993; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:01:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:01:31 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281601.SAA26993@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services In-Reply-To: <199508281556.JAA16950@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 398 Lines: 16 Hi Warner! > > If everything falls through on the fnet.fr side of the world for some > reason, we have bandwidth and a little disk space here in the village > we could likely dedicate to the FTP,HTTP and mail services. > Sounds good! Would you be interested in setting up a mirror site ? Since Sunsite.unc.edu is totally out of date, a US mirror would really be helpful! Cheers, Andy From imp@rover.village.org Mon Aug 28 18:03:36 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28172 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:03:35 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08851; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:09:05 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA17070 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:09:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199508281609.KAA17070@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:01:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:09:13 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 431 Lines: 12 : Sounds good! Would you be interested in setting up a mirror site ? : Since Sunsite.unc.edu is totally out of date, a US mirror would : really be helpful! If someone could recommend some good mirroring software, I don't think I'll have a problem. How big are the archives? 10-20M would be OK, but 100M would start to be uncool. Also, how does one mirror HTTP trees? Or is there software to do that already as well? Warner From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 18:24:39 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28466 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:24:38 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09303; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:30:10 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508281631.SAA31375@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA31375; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:31:02 +0200 Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:31:01 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281609.KAA17070@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 28, 95 10:09:13 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 23 Hi, > : Sounds good! Would you be interested in setting up a mirror site ? > : Since Sunsite.unc.edu is totally out of date, a US mirror would > : really be helpful! > > If someone could recommend some good mirroring software, I don't think > I'll have a problem. How big are the archives? 10-20M would be OK, > but 100M would start to be uncool. > > Also, how does one mirror HTTP trees? Or is there software to do that > already as well? I blieve there is some software. But we can easily work around that by placing the HTTP pages in a FTP accessible directory. Since there are already some CDROMs available on the market that contain Linux/MIPS stuff I believe this would be a big advantage. Who puts /pub/linux/mips/ on his CDROM distribution would automatically also get /pub/linux/mips/www/. Next point is that we could try to document all the uploaded stuff with Web pages. The point is that integration of Web pages and ftp would form a new thing. An idea that I like. Ralf From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 18:25:38 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28487 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:25:38 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09332; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:31:10 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA31415; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:32:03 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA27072; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:31:23 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:31:23 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281631.SAA27072@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services In-Reply-To: <199508281609.KAA17070@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1195 Lines: 31 Hi again! > > If someone could recommend some good mirroring software, I don't think > I'll have a problem. How big are the archives? 10-20M would be OK, > but 100M would start to be uncool. > The current Linux/MIPS archive is about 20 Meg, I guess. It's not very probable that it grows very fast, but I can't promise that. Waldorf is using a set of Perl scripts. I can't remember where we got them from, but I can make them available for you if you like. > Also, how does one mirror HTTP trees? Or is there software to do that > already as well? > Actually, there's no special magic necessary. Assuming that all http files are accessible via ftp (which is not the case yet) the same mirror system can be used as for transfering ftp archives. Care must be taken regarding path informations. Either all paths need to be relative (as usual) or the mirror must be in the same tree as on the master site. However, the current Linux/MIPS web pages are somewhat integrated into Waldorf's official web server. Before you can mirror them I would need to isolate them from the rest, and then make them available. It's perhaps better to wait until they're moved to FNET. Cheers, Andy From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 18:29:32 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28624 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:29:31 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09418; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:35:03 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508281635.SAA31493@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA31493; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:35:56 +0200 Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:35:55 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281631.SAA27072@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Aug 28, 95 06:31:23 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 273 Lines: 8 Hi all, I'm starting to believe that the move to fnet is a huge advantage. I just got back a mail from the mail server within less than ten seconds. Something that good old Scotty never managed. Jus curious - what network connection does fnet.fr exactly have? Ralf From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 18:39:01 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28776 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:39:01 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09575; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:44:31 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA31650; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:45:26 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA27157; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:44:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:44:45 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281644.SAA27157@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services In-Reply-To: <199508281631.SAA31375@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 890 Lines: 18 > I blieve there is some software. But we can easily work around that by > placing the HTTP pages in a FTP accessible directory. Since there are > already some CDROMs available on the market that contain Linux/MIPS > stuff I believe this would be a big advantage. Who puts /pub/linux/mips/ > on his CDROM distribution would automatically also get /pub/linux/mips/www/. > Next point is that we could try to document all the uploaded stuff with > Web pages. The point is that integration of Web pages and ftp would form > a new thing. An idea that I like. > Yes, I'd like that too. However, it's a little bit complicated since a local Web server usually has all pages in a non-public directory. Even worse, some servers are compiled with security features that would not allow to access pages located in directories other than the dedicated one. We need to check that. Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 18:42:05 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28855 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:42:05 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09632; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:47:36 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA31707; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:48:30 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA27169; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:47:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:47:48 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281647.SAA27169@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services In-Reply-To: <199508281635.SAA31493@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 511 Lines: 15 > > I'm starting to believe that the move to fnet is a huge advantage. I just > got back a mail from the mail server within less than ten seconds. Something > that good old Scotty never managed. Jus curious - what network connection > does fnet.fr exactly have? > That was the case for me all the time :-) It's not only a question of good old Scotty, it's also a question of the german data highways! Instead of using them for swapping they rather should be made public available :-) Cheers, Andy From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Aug 28 18:43:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28876 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:43:50 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09659; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:49:24 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id SAA21613; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:49:37 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id SAA06773; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:48:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199508281648.SAA06773@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:48:05 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508281635.SAA31493@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:35:55 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 31 Hi all, >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Baechle writes: Ralf> Hi all, Ralf> I'm starting to believe that the move to fnet is a huge Ralf> advantage. I just got back a mail from the mail server within Ralf> less than ten seconds. Something that good old Scotty never Ralf> managed. Jus curious - what network connection does fnet.fr Ralf> exactly have? [Sorry for people whom already know that :)] Fnet is the historical part of EUnet France - one of the biggest ISP in France. Fnet is an association - but EUnet is a commercial company - which was selling few years ago Internet connectivity, and now focus its activities on some kind of "network research". So Fnet take the benefit - nearly for free, at least at a very good price - of all the leased lines of the EUnet european network, in fact Fnet offices are located in EUnet offices. For more details: several 768k leased lines between EUnet Paris network center (where Fnet is) and EUnet Amsterdam , and from there pretty big pipes to USA/alternet/nfsnet/(and another I can remind of) (4Mb, bigger pipes for an European ISP accros the Atlantic), Ebone, Europanet.... But between EUnet and Fnet, there is only a little 115k line of about 10 meters :) Cheers, Stoned. From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Aug 28 18:48:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA29006 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:47:59 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09771; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:53:33 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id SAA21630; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:53:39 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id SAA06795; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:52:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199508281652.SAA06795@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:52:02 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508281644.SAA27157@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:44:45 +0200) Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 458 Lines: 12 >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: Andreas> a non-public directory. Even worse, some servers are Andreas> compiled with security features that would not allow to Andreas> access pages located in directories other than the dedicated Andreas> one. We need to check that. I confirm that, but Luc and I haven't investigated all the possibilities and server (but Linux/MIPS one will be or cern or ncsa or apache) Cheers, Stoned. From jens@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Mon Aug 28 18:53:30 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA29112 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:53:28 -0700 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09889; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:58:59 +0200 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (jens@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA12640 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:59:36 +0200 Received: (from jens@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07191 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:57:50 +0200 From: Jens Hoffmann Message-Id: <199508281657.SAA07191@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: WWW-Server future To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:57:45 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281644.SAA27157@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> from "Andreas Busse" at Aug 28, 95 06:44:45 pm Reply-To: jens@waldorf-gmbh.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1598 Lines: 38 Hi Folx, Andreas Busse wrote: > > I blieve there is some software. But we can easily work around that by > > placing the HTTP pages in a FTP accessible directory. Since there are > > already some CDROMs available on the market that contain Linux/MIPS > > stuff I believe this would be a big advantage. Who puts /pub/linux/mips/ > > on his CDROM distribution would automatically also get /pub/linux/mips/www/. > > Next point is that we could try to document all the uploaded stuff with > > Web pages. The point is that integration of Web pages and ftp would form > > a new thing. An idea that I like. > > > Yes, I'd like that too. However, it's a little bit complicated since > a local Web server usually has all pages in a non-public directory. > Even worse, some servers are compiled with security features that > would not allow to access pages located in directories other than > the dedicated one. We need to check that. If it's not urgent, then please wait until after september 6th. I'll do it then. No great deal, really. The important points were checked (relative-paths....) The mix between FTP and WWW-directories is present on many FTP-Servers. For one example check: ftp://ftp.waldorf-gmbh.de/pub/sources/X11/tcl. It is, however, necessary to allow the HTTPD to read the files in the ftp-dir. That can be implemented in two ways: 1) It's the generic document directory of the server, or 2) You allow people to have an own www-directorie. In case of 2) It's merely neccesary to add a directory http or www under the ftp-root. As I said, no great deal. cua, Jens From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 18:56:01 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA29150 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:56:00 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09948; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:01:29 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id TAA31948; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:00:49 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA27235; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:58:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:58:44 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281658.SAA27235@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services In-Reply-To: <199508281652.SAA06795@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 364 Lines: 12 > > I confirm that, but Luc and I haven't investigated all the > possibilities and server (but Linux/MIPS one will be or cern or ncsa > or apache) > Well, Waldorf is running a NCSA http server, more or less "out of the Linux box". But there are so many compile- and runtime options that there's definitely a way to make things possible as desired. Andy From imp@rover.village.org Mon Aug 28 19:00:23 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29287 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:00:23 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10021; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:05:53 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA17391 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:05:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199508281705.LAA17391@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: WWW-Server future In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:57:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:05:34 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 207 Lines: 8 : If it's not urgent, then please wait until after september 6th. It isn't urgent. I'd like to be able to grab all the files from one tree via FTP to do the mirroring, but that is merely an ideal. Warner From jens@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Mon Aug 28 19:02:45 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29316 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:02:44 -0700 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10076; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:08:16 +0200 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (jens@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA12859 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:08:55 +0200 Received: (from jens@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA07269 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:07:06 +0200 From: Jens Hoffmann Message-Id: <199508281707.TAA07269@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: Interrupted Network Services To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:07:00 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281635.SAA31493@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> from "Ralf Baechle" at Aug 28, 95 06:35:55 pm Reply-To: jens@waldorf-gmbh.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1632 Lines: 31 Hi, Ralf Baechle wrote: > I'm starting to believe that the move to fnet is a huge advantage. I just > got back a mail from the mail server within less than ten seconds. Something > that good old Scotty never managed. Jus curious - what network connection > does fnet.fr exactly have? (Just read the description from Stoned) My connection is even faster! I cam back in 2 secs :-))) Even on the LAN scotty was not able to do such magic. (And no, I am not connected to Eunet :-))) Greetings, Jens 1 jens.whu-koblenz.de (193.141.48.50) 7.133 ms 8.457 ms 7.216 ms 2 asterix.WHU-Koblenz.DE (193.141.48.33) 32.357 ms 31.368 ms 31.408 ms 3 ISDNIP.MetaWorks.DE (193.141.95.8) 53.161 ms 52.955 ms 53.213 ms 4 karlsruhe.core.xlink.net (193.141.43.66) 80.198 ms 80.134 ms 79.575 ms 5 muenchen.core.xlink.net (192.54.104.241) 93.275 ms 89.053 ms 89.156 ms 6 Munich-EBS.EBONE.NET (192.121.158.13) 90.85 ms 89.275 ms 97.298 ms 7 Paris-EBS2.Ebone.NET (192.121.158.10) 115.862 ms 124.775 ms 110.569 ms 8 Stockholm-EBS.Ebone.NET (192.121.156.34) 158.068 ms 148.377 ms 159.574 ms 9 Amsterdam-ebs.Ebone.NET (192.121.155.13) 190.157 ms 254.55 ms 184.331 ms 10 amsterdam1.NL.EU.net (193.0.15.131) 209.667 ms 191.086 ms 218.713 ms 11 Amsterdam6.NL.EU.net (134.222.32.2) 213.759 ms 334.832 ms 190.261 ms 12 Amsterdam5.NL.EU.net (134.222.85.5) 180.404 ms 192.681 ms 205.493 ms 13 Etoile.FR.EU.net (134.222.30.2) 233.094 ms 204.162 ms 223.058 ms 14 Etoile.FR.EU.net (192.134.192.122) 239.129 ms 252.956 ms 231.507 ms 15 ns.fnet.fr (192.134.192.2) 211.71 ms 239.903 ms 214.637 ms From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 19:03:49 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29376 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:03:49 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10103; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:09:19 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id TAA32137; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:10:13 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA27285; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:09:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:09:01 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281709.TAA27285@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: WWW-Server future In-Reply-To: <199508281705.LAA17391@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 450 Lines: 19 Hi again, > > : If it's not urgent, then please wait until after september 6th. > > It isn't urgent. > > I'd like to be able to grab all the files from one tree via FTP to do > the mirroring, but that is merely an ideal. > Ok. Then we'll reorganize the Web and FTP stuff to be mirrorable (wow, new word created :-)), then let FNET complete the Linux/MIPS and finally remove it from ftp.waldorf-gmbh.de. But next week... Cheers, Andy From imp@rover.village.org Mon Aug 28 19:07:00 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29488 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:06:59 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10184; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:11:57 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA17467 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:12:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199508281712.LAA17467@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: WWW-Server future In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:09:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:12:09 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 342 Lines: 8 : Ok. Then we'll reorganize the Web and FTP stuff to be mirrorable : (wow, new word created :-)), then let FNET complete the Linux/MIPS : and finally remove it from ftp.waldorf-gmbh.de. But next week... No rush. It will likely be a couple of weeks before I can shake loose the time to get mirror 2.3 up an running in the village... Warner From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 19:18:08 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29658 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:18:07 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10395; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:23:39 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508281724.TAA32402@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id TAA32402; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:24:36 +0200 Subject: Re: WWW-Server future To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:24:35 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281712.LAA17467@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 28, 95 11:12:09 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 833 Lines: 18 Hi, > : Ok. Then we'll reorganize the Web and FTP stuff to be mirrorable > : (wow, new word created :-)), then let FNET complete the Linux/MIPS > : and finally remove it from ftp.waldorf-gmbh.de. But next week... > > No rush. It will likely be a couple of weeks before I can shake loose > the time to get mirror 2.3 up an running in the village... Just as a warning - when installing the mirrors for Waldorf I invested quite some time to get the newest version of mirror scripts running without success. Probably I was tracking a bug in Perl itself. After a downgrade to an oder version (2.1 or 2.2) the mirror was working immedialty. In soe parts the mirror software is a really evil hack that makes more assumptions about UNIX systems thatn it should. Another possible problem is that mirror is a real memory hog. Ralf From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Mon Aug 28 19:31:09 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA29853 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:31:08 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10567; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:36:42 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id TAA21728; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:36:55 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id TAA07006; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:35:22 +0200 Message-Id: <199508281735.TAA07006@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:35:22 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508281724.TAA32402@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Ralf Baechle on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:24:35 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: WWW-Server future X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 879 Lines: 17 >>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Baechle writes: Ralf> Just as a warning - when installing the mirrors for Waldorf I Ralf> invested quite some time to get the newest version of mirror Ralf> scripts running without success. Probably I was tracking a bug Ralf> in Perl itself. After a downgrade to an oder version (2.1 or Ralf> 2.2) the mirror was working immedialty. In soe parts the mirror Ralf> software is a really evil hack that makes more assumptions about Ralf> UNIX systems thatn it should. Another possible problem is that Ralf> mirror is a real memory hog. Just a remark: I succed to use mirror 2.3 with perl 4.036 but not with perl 5.xxx. And I didn't succed to use dbm extension of mirror when mirroring big stuff (as the whole NetBSD-current+NetBSD-1.0): the virtual memory of an HP 712 blows up (64Mo phyical RAM and 200Mo of disk swap) !!! Stoned. From davem@caip.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 28 20:33:20 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00660 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:33:19 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11386; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:38:48 +0200 (MET) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA24661 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:38:53 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id OAA02640; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:38:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:38:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199508281838.OAA02640@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Hello Content-Length: 418 Lines: 12 Hi, maybe some of you know me and that I am the chief coordinator of the Sparc port to Linux at this time. I am wondering where the main workers of the Mips port communicate and if I can get in on some of the conversations somehow as I imaging many of the problems/issues facing your team are similar to what I have/will be encountering. Thanks, and happy hacking ;) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Mon Aug 28 20:40:26 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00783 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:40:25 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11542; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:45:58 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id UAA00902; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:46:56 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA27772; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:46:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:46:12 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508281846.UAA27772@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: davem@caip.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <199508281838.OAA02640@huahaga.rutgers.edu> Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1036 Lines: 31 Hi David! > > Hi, maybe some of you know me and that I am the chief coordinator of > the Sparc port to Linux at this time. I am wondering where the main > workers of the Mips port communicate and if I can get in on some of > the conversations somehow as I imaging many of the problems/issues > facing your team are similar to what I have/will be encountering. > Well, now you know where we're living :-) Thanks for your interest; I'm quite sure that we have similar problems with our RISC(y) machines and non-standard I/O devices etc. How is it going with Linux/SPARC ? > Thanks, and happy hacking ;) Thanks! Also, happy hacking :-) Cheers, Andy To Stoned and/or Luc: Could you please add David to the list? Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Waldorf Electronics GmbH, R&D Dep. | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Neustrasse 9-12, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From davem@caip.rutgers.edu Mon Aug 28 20:47:43 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00895 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:47:42 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11683; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:53:14 +0200 (MET) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA25184; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:53:24 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id OAA03394; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:53:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:53:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199508281853.OAA03394@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Cc: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508281846.UAA27772@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:46:12 +0200) Subject: Grrr: Hello Content-Length: 1727 Lines: 41 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:46:12 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Well, now you know where we're living :-) Thanks for your interest; I'm quite sure that we have similar problems with our RISC(y) machines and non-standard I/O devices etc. How is it going with Linux/SPARC ? I can mount MINIX and EXT2 filesystems on sun4c floppies, a.out SunOS binary loading works and we have the following debugging facilities for the kernel: 1) kadb - this is sun's assembler level debugger, not too bad for traps and entry.S type code 2) kgdb - incredible, debugging the kernel on the source level is such a big win at this point 3) printk - Our old friend ;) I almost got "hello world" to execute, and should be able to get a statically linked bourne shell up soon after that, we'll see. I do have a full serial driver (necessary for kgdb too) which runs two serial lines up to 9600 baud, and the mouse/keyboard at 1200. My keyboard is fully functional (so is the mouse) and does all the nifty shift-scroll_lock etc. functions that dump kernel information at the console etc. Currently I am working also on frame buffer routines to do virtual console switching on SparcSTations. Most of my effort is towards sun4c support, however I was doing the mainline code for the sun4m and was able to get a quad-processor HyperSparc SS10 to boot ;) Sun4m MMU matches the i386/Alpha page table mechanism more closely and as such will be easier, sun4c mmu has the extended tlb model and has been no end of pains especially with it's virtual cache ;( To Stoned and/or Luc: Could you please add David to the list? Thanks! Thanks Andy ;) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From imp@rover.village.org Mon Aug 28 21:02:56 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA01111 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:02:55 -0700 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11900; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:08:27 +0200 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA00398; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:08:37 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA17839 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:07:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199508281907.NAA17839@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: WWW-Server future In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:24:35 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:07:20 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 525 Lines: 11 : Another possible problem is that mirror is a real memory hog. That could be a big problem. I wonder if ncftp is smart enough to do mirroring yet. I know that you can point it at a directory and it will grab only what you need, but there is a lot of traffic which would make it poorly suited for large trees. However, the Waldorf FTP tree isn't large enough for it to be a huge problem. ncftp, however, does have some stability problems grabbing 1000 files, so it may take a little while to iron out the kinks. Warner From jens@jens1.whu-koblenz.de Mon Aug 28 22:53:30 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA02326 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:53:28 -0700 Received: from obelix.WHU-Koblenz.DE by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA13355; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:59:00 +0200 (MET) Received: from jens1.whu-koblenz.de (jens@jens1.WHU-Koblenz.DE [193.141.48.51]) by obelix.WHU-Koblenz.de (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA20711 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:59:41 +0200 Received: (from jens@localhost) by jens1.whu-koblenz.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA00238 for linux-mips@fnet.fr; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:57:45 +0200 From: Jens Hoffmann Message-Id: <199508282057.WAA00238@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> Subject: Re: Please stop posting To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:57:40 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508281907.VAA11237@relay.bercos.de> from "hk@bercos.de" at Aug 28, 95 09:02:42 pm Reply-To: jens@waldorf-gmbh.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2085 Lines: 65 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi Helge, hi all, I think I'll translate this stuff, cause 80% of the users on this list don't speak german :-) hk@bercos.de wrote: > Hallo Andreas, > ich hatte mal wegen dem ATMizer/l64360 versucht die MMU zu umgehen, > weil sie auf unserem Chip halt nicht da ist. Dieses Vorhaben habe ich I once tried to bypass the MMU on our ATMizer/l64360, cause its simply missing on our chip. > inzwischen aufgegeben. Auch die MINIX Speicherverwaltung arbeitet mit > einer "MMU". Dabei wird bei der MINIX/8088 Version die Segmentierung > (64k, Hurra!) verwendet und an allen Ecken zwischen logischer Adresse > (Offset) und physischer Adresse (24 Bit "lineare" Adresse) > umgerechnet und kopiert. I stopped this mission in the meantime. Even the memorymanagment of MINIX uses a MMU. The MINIX/8088 Version uses segmentation, and everywhere they differentiate between logical address (offset) and physical address (24-bit pseudolinear-address) > Neuere MINIX Versionen versprechen 386 Unterstuetzung, wo ich dann nur > noch wieder gs,fs,es,ds und Co. erwarte. Newer version of minix use the 386-features, where i expect only the GS, FS, ES, DS and CO stuff. > Tja, die Mailingliste laeuft noch mit, allerdings nur in's Archiv. Da The mailinglist is only kept in archive at the moment, > das auch nicht so sinnvol ist, wuerde ich sie gerne wieder > abbestellen; wenigstens temporaer. Du hattest mich von Hand > eingetragen. Wie komme ich (moeglichst selbstaendig) raus und u.U. > spaeter wieder rein? since this is not very meaningful I'd like to unsubscribe, at least temporarily. How can I leave and reconnect later on with a minimum of hassle? End of translation. The translation was very free and only to conserve the meaning as I got it. If you want to blame anyone for errors, then please do blame me :-)) Greetings, Jens -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQBWAgUBMEItuQPl+9gu1AghAQHTFgIBAXO0lOgyS8AVlNOKao1eE/VDEBUstdTp ZggqHLLrysllahWDw9mVYx9OApkza91kO7nLrLjqjV7pMoSbuJ44yhE= =xHos -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hk@relay.bercos.de Mon Aug 28 20:59:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA01064 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:59:15 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA11866; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:04:47 +0200 (MET) Received: from relay.xlink.net by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id VAA01204; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:05:46 +0200 Received: from xlink1.xlink.net by relay.xlink.net id <35416-0@relay.xlink.net>; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:04:44 +0000 Received: from xlink1.xlink.net by xlink1.xlink.net id <28719-0@xlink1.xlink.net>; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:04:42 +0200 Received: from somewhere by xlink1.xlink.net id aa28712; 28 Aug 95 19:04 GMT Received: from [] (tower [192.1.2.112]) by relay.bercos.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA11237 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:07:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199508281907.VAA11237@relay.bercos.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: hk@bercos.de To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:02:42 +0000 Subject: Re: Please stop posting Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-Length: 1075 Lines: 27 Hallo Andreas, ich hatte mal wegen dem ATMizer/l64360 versucht die MMU zu umgehen, weil sie auf unserem Chip halt nicht da ist. Dieses Vorhaben habe ich inzwischen aufgegeben. Auch die MINIX Speicherverwaltung arbeitet mit einer "MMU". Dabei wird bei der MINIX/8088 Version die Segmentierung (64k, Hurra!) verwendet und an allen Ecken zwischen logischer Adresse (Offset) und physischer Adresse (24 Bit "lineare" Adresse) umgerechnet und kopiert. Neuere MINIX Versionen versprechen 386 Unterstuetzung, wo ich dann nur noch wieder gs,fs,es,ds und Co. erwarte. Tja, die Mailingliste laeuft noch mit, allerdings nur in's Archiv. Da das auch nicht so sinnvol ist, wuerde ich sie gerne wieder abbestellen; wenigstens temporaer. Du hattest mich von Hand eingetragen. Wie komme ich (moeglichst selbstaendig) raus und u.U. spaeter wieder rein? Gruss, Helge --------------------------------------------------------------- Helge Kruse, BERCOS GmbH, Voltastr. 5, Berlin 13355, Germany mailto:hk@bercos.de phone:+49 30 467088 16 fax:+49 30 463 40 02 From imp@rover.village.org Mon Aug 28 23:56:40 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03009 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:56:39 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14385; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:02:11 +0200 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id AAA04205; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:03:11 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA19534 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:02:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199508282202.QAA19534@rover.village.org> To: linux@waldorf-gmbh.de Subject: Re: linux-1.2.10.4 patches In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:21:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:02:14 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 184 Lines: 5 That reminds me, there are several milo patches in the private directory. Which ones, if any, do I want? I'm guessing milo-0.24-0.24c2 and 0.24c2-g364. Is that guess right? Warner From imp@rover.village.org Tue Aug 29 00:00:05 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA03066 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:00:05 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA14441; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:05:35 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA19662 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:05:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199508282205.QAA19662@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: linux-1.2.10.4 patches In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:02:14 MDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:05:45 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 262 Lines: 7 : That reminds me, there are several milo patches in the private : directory. Which ones, if any, do I want? I'm guessing : milo-0.24-0.24c2 and 0.24c2-g364. Is that guess right? Or should I just grab 0.25? I'm so confused, so I'll just do that :-) Warner From imp@rover.village.org Tue Aug 29 04:32:01 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA07247 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:31:55 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18812; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:37:27 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA23079 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:37:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199508290237.UAA23079@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Patches needed for new gcc Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:37:36 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 3303 Lines: 84 The io.h macros are wrong. They mostly kinda sorta worked with the old GCC, but advances in technology have caused them to be slightly incorrect. Here's a patch, taken in spirit from the 1.3.19 patch, that seems to correct the problem. It is short, so I'm including it here. Also, there is at least one location in the sources that tries to include /usr/src/linux/mumble, blah. This is not correct, since most people not running on Linux will not have their kernels there. Since Linux/MIPS isn't self hosting, and since I don't think that we need the module in question, I just change the include. Please find enclosed a patch for that as well. So far these are the only two significant changes I've had to make. I did have to change linux-mipsel-gcc to gcc -b mipsel-unknown-linux in one of the make file templates, but that doesn't count much :-). Warner *** org/include/asm-mips/io.h Mon Aug 28 20:23:55 1995 --- ./include/asm-mips/io.h Mon Aug 28 20:24:44 1995 *************** *** 57,66 **** #define __OUT(m,s) \ __OUT1(s) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); } \ ! __OUT1(s##c) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "i" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); } \ __OUT1(s##_p) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); \ SLOW_DOWN_IO; } \ ! __OUT1(s##c_p) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "i" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); \ SLOW_DOWN_IO; } #define __IN1(s) \ --- 57,66 ---- #define __OUT(m,s) \ __OUT1(s) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); } \ ! __OUT1(s##c) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "id" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); } \ __OUT1(s##_p) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); \ SLOW_DOWN_IO; } \ ! __OUT1(s##c_p) __OUT2(m) : : "r" (value), "id" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); \ SLOW_DOWN_IO; } #define __IN1(s) \ *************** *** 74,82 **** #define __IN(m,s) \ __IN1(s) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); return _v; } \ ! __IN1(s##c) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "i" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); return _v; } \ __IN1(s##_p) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); SLOW_DOWN_IO; return _v; } \ ! __IN1(s##c_p) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "i" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); SLOW_DOWN_IO; return _v; } #define __INS1(s) \ extern inline void __ins##s(unsigned int port, void * addr, unsigned long count) { --- 74,82 ---- #define __IN(m,s) \ __IN1(s) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); return _v; } \ ! __IN1(s##c) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "id" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); return _v; } \ __IN1(s##_p) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "i" (0), "r" (PORT_BASE+port)); SLOW_DOWN_IO; return _v; } \ ! __IN1(s##c_p) __IN2(m) : "=r" (_v) : "id" (port), "r" (PORT_BASE)); SLOW_DOWN_IO; return _v; } #define __INS1(s) \ extern inline void __ins##s(unsigned int port, void * addr, unsigned long count) { *** org/drivers/block/aztcd.c Mon Aug 28 18:15:13 1995 --- ./drivers/block/aztcd.c Mon Aug 28 18:16:52 1995 *************** *** 135,141 **** #define MAJOR_NR AZTECH_CDROM_MAJOR #ifdef MODULE ! # include "/usr/src/linux/drivers/block/blk.h" #else # include "blk.h" # define MOD_INC_USE_COUNT --- 135,141 ---- #define MAJOR_NR AZTECH_CDROM_MAJOR #ifdef MODULE ! # include "blk.h" #else # include "blk.h" # define MOD_INC_USE_COUNT From imp@rover.village.org Tue Aug 29 04:39:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA07369 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:39:15 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA18925; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 04:44:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA23390 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:44:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199508290244.UAA23390@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Patches needed for new gcc In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:37:36 MDT Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:44:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 693 Lines: 16 : So far these are the only two significant changes I've had to make. I : did have to change linux-mipsel-gcc to gcc -b mipsel-unknown-linux in : one of the make file templates, but that doesn't count much :-). : : Warner I've not looked at the .asm generated by this patch yet, so it may be incorrect. However, it seemed safe, given the lineage. Oh, and 2.7.1 is likely to hit the streets soonish. They want this week's snapshot to be the 2.7.1 release, but I think there will be one or two more tweaks before that happens. Just thought people would like to know. The diffs, btw, should still work with 2.7.1, since last week's snapshot didn't need any tweaks to the patches. Warner From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Tue Aug 29 07:30:19 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA09155 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:30:18 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA21432; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:35:51 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id HAA11206; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:36:44 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA29332; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:36:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:36:06 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508290536.HAA29332@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: linux-1.2.10.4 patches In-Reply-To: <199508282202.QAA19534@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 312 Lines: 13 Good morning to all of you :-) > > That reminds me, there are several milo patches in the private > directory. Which ones, if any, do I want? I'm guessing > milo-0.24-0.24c2 and 0.24c2-g364. Is that guess right? > The latest official release is 0.25, should be somewhere in .../mips/src/boot. Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Tue Aug 29 08:03:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA09568 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:03:12 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA21807; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:08:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id IAA11684; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:09:38 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29409; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:08:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:08:58 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508290608.IAA29409@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Please stop posting In-Reply-To: <199508282057.WAA00238@jens1.whu-koblenz.de> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1174 Lines: 31 Jens Hoffmann wrote: > > since this is not very meaningful I'd like to unsubscribe, at least > temporarily. How can I leave and reconnect later on with a minimum of hassle? > To Helge: Sorry to hear that you don't have success with your board. If we can do anything for you, let us know! If I understand the new list server right, automatic unsubscribe is possible, but no automatic subscription (as it was before) to keep the noise floor low. To unsubscribe, please send a message to linux-mips-request@fnet.fr with the keyword "unsubscribe" in the Subject: line. To Stoned: I'm just reading the help message for FNET's server. If I understand that right, automatic subscription is allowed. Actually, I don't like this policy since it will unnecessarily increase noise and the amount of passivists :-) on our list. Is it a big deal to change that ? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Waldorf Electronics GmbH, R&D Dep. | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Neustrasse 9-12, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From imp@rover.village.org Tue Aug 29 08:21:04 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA09795 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:21:03 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22017; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:26:34 +0200 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA25251 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:26:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199508290626.AAA25251@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Looks Like I have some code to write :-) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:26:04 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 1229 Lines: 22 Good morning: /usr/local/mipsel-unknown-linux/bin/ld -N -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \ arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o arch/mips/mm/mm.o kernel/kernel.o mm/mm.o fs/fs.o net/net.o ipc/ipc.o \ fs/filesystems.a \ drivers/block/block.a drivers/char/char.a drivers/net/net.a drivers/scsi/scsi.a \ arch/mips/lib/lib.a /usr/local/mipsel-unknown-linux/linux-1.2.10.4/lib/lib.a arch/mips/lib/lib.a -o vmlinux watch.o(.text+0x68): multiple definition of `print_status' constants.o(.text+0x16c): first defined here arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o(.data+0xc30): undefined reference to `deskstation_rpc44_purge_secondary_cache_page' arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o(.data+0xc34): undefined reference to `deskstation_rpc44_handle_int' arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o(.data+0xc38): undefined reference to `deskstation_tyne_purge_secondary_cache_page' gmake: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 Hmmm, I think that deskstation_rpc44 stuff is stuff I need to write :-). I also think I need to disable the tyne support for the moment, since I don't have a tyne board to practice on. The only thing that has me worried is the print_status mutliple definition, but that shouldn't be too hard to sort out. Warner From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Tue Aug 29 08:46:52 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA10084 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:46:52 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA22356; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:52:23 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id IAA12364; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:53:18 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29499; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:52:37 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:52:37 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508290652.IAA29499@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Looks Like I have some code to write :-) In-Reply-To: <199508290626.AAA25251@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 725 Lines: 25 > > Hmmm, I think that deskstation_rpc44 stuff is stuff I need to write > :-). Probably yes :-) Take a look at arch/mips/kernel/tyne.S to get an idea of the interrupt handlers etc. The stuff in pica.S and magnum4000.S can also be of interest, but you cannot directly use it since the pica/magnum/ollivetti design is complelety different. > I also think I need to disable the tyne support for the moment, > since I don't have a tyne board to practice on. It should also be possible to disable Magnum, Olivetti and Pica support. > > The only thing that has me worried is the print_status mutliple > definition, but that shouldn't be too hard to sort out. I don't even know what that is... :-( Cheers, Andy From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Tue Aug 29 10:48:16 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA11486 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:48:16 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24577; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:53:51 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id KAA22553; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:54:01 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id KAA08012; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:52:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199508290852.KAA08012@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 10:52:28 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508282205.QAA19662@rover.village.org> (message from Warner Losh on Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:05:45 -0600) Subject: Re: linux-1.2.10.4 patches X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 789 Lines: 22 >>>>> "Warner" == Warner Losh writes: Warner> : That reminds me, there are several milo patches in the Warner> private : directory. Which ones, if any, do I want? I'm Warner> guessing : milo-0.24-0.24c2 and 0.24c2-g364. Is that guess Warner> right? milo-0.24-0.24c2 is mostly my own patches to milo just before 0.25 was released with some other additions by Ralf. 0.24c2-g364 is just another patch with little code from Luc wich allow some kind of expiriment with the video card g364 used on some JAZZ board. I think it can be applied to milo 0.25 with little trouble. Warner> Or should I just grab 0.25? I'm so confused, so I'll just do Warner> that :-) Get the 0.25 and unless you got a g364 video board forget the patches mentioned above :) Cheers, Stoned. From hk@relay.bercos.de Thu Aug 31 09:55:46 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA13978 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:55:45 -0700 Received: from relay.xlink.net by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10868; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 10:01:19 +0200 (MET) Received: from xlink1.xlink.net by relay.xlink.net id <30158-5@relay.xlink.net>; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 10:01:22 +0000 Received: from xlink1.xlink.net by xlink1.xlink.net id <23006-0@xlink1.xlink.net>; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:31:45 +0200 Received: from somewhere by xlink1.xlink.net id aa22998; 29 Aug 95 7:31 GMT Received: from [] (tower [192.1.2.112]) by relay.bercos.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA12681 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:29:59 +0200 Message-Id: <199508290729.JAA12681@relay.bercos.de> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Helge Kruse Organization: BERCOS GmbH To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 09:25:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Please stop posting Reply-To: hk@bercos.de Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Content-Length: 294 Lines: 10 > End of translation. Thank you, the mail shouldn't go to the list. Sorry. Helge --------------------------------------------------------------- Helge Kruse, BERCOS GmbH, Voltastr. 5, Berlin 13355, Germany mailto:hk@bercos.de phone:+49 30 467088 16 fax:+49 30 463 40 02 From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 00:46:41 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA20300 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:46:40 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09469; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:52:13 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508292253.AAA28316@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id AAA28316; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:53:15 +0200 Subject: Re: Patches needed for new gcc To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:53:15 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508290244.UAA23390@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 28, 95 08:44:54 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 377 Lines: 11 Hi, > Oh, and 2.7.1 is likely to hit the streets soonish. They want this > week's snapshot to be the 2.7.1 release, but I think there will be one > or two more tweaks before that happens. Just thought people would > like to know. The diffs, btw, should still work with 2.7.1, since > last week's snapshot didn't need any tweaks to the patches. Thanks for trying! Ralf From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 00:55:31 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA20397 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:55:30 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09764; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:01:02 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508292302.BAA28535@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id BAA28535; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:02:06 +0200 Subject: Re: Looks Like I have some code to write :-) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:02:05 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508290626.AAA25251@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 29, 95 00:26:04 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1210 Lines: 29 Hi, > Good morning: > > /usr/local/mipsel-unknown-linux/bin/ld -N -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \ ^^^^^^^^^^ This will ned a fix for your machine, also. > arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o(.data+0xc30): undefined reference to `deskstation_rpc44_purge_secondary_cache_page' > arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o(.data+0xc34): undefined reference to `deskstation_rpc44_handle_int' > arch/mips/kernel/kernel.o(.data+0xc38): undefined reference to `deskstation_tyne_purge_secondary_cache_page' This routine isn't needed anymore anyway. I'll zap it for the next release. Since the next release will have to compile with 2.7.x also I'll integrate your patches also. > gmake: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 > > Hmmm, I think that deskstation_rpc44 stuff is stuff I need to write > :-). I also think I need to disable the tyne support for the moment, > since I don't have a tyne board to practice on. > > The only thing that has me worried is the print_status mutliple > definition, but that shouldn't be too hard to sort out. I'll take a look at that also. Well, after all not very many error messages for a unsupported machine type. Ralf From imp@rover.village.org Wed Aug 30 01:02:50 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20478 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:02:49 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09902; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:08:19 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA00212 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:08:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199508292308.RAA00212@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: Looks Like I have some code to write :-) In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:02:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:08:27 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 946 Lines: 22 : > /usr/local/mipsel-unknown-linux/bin/ld -N -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \ : ^^^^^^^^^^ : This will ned a fix for your machine, also. Noted. I was just trying to get up and limping. : This routine isn't needed anymore anyway. I'll zap it for the next release. : Since the next release will have to compile with 2.7.x also I'll integrate : your patches also. Which "this"? The _handle_int or the _purge_secondary_cache_page? Can I use the _handle_int from one of the other machines? : I'll take a look at that also. Well, after all not very many error messages : for a unsupported machine type. The print_status was a conflict with the SCSI driver. I've corrected the problem in the scsi driver, but fear that it might not be better to correct it in the mips library code since that is the only arch that has the problem. No big deal. Warner From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 01:09:12 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20565 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:09:11 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA10008; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:14:44 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508292315.BAA28739@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id BAA28739; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:15:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Looks Like I have some code to write :-) To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:15:49 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508292308.RAA00212@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 29, 95 05:08:27 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 754 Lines: 22 Hi, > : > /usr/local/mipsel-unknown-linux/bin/ld -N -Ttext 0x80000000 arch/mips/kernel/head.o init/main.o init/version.o \ > : ^^^^^^^^^^ > : This will ned a fix for your machine, also. > > Noted. I was just trying to get up and limping. > > : This routine isn't needed anymore anyway. I'll zap it for the next release. > : Since the next release will have to compile with 2.7.x also I'll integrate > : your patches also. > > Which "this"? The _handle_int or the _purge_secondary_cache_page? purge_secodnary_cache_page() isn't needed anymore. > Can I use the _handle_int from one of the other machines? Probably the Tyne stuff is coming closest to your needs. Try to use it as base. Ralf From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 12:43:01 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA28923 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:43:00 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA19508; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:48:30 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id MAA06175; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:49:28 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07937; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:48:08 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 12:48:08 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301048.MAA07937@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Waldorf goes down X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 489 Lines: 15 Hi all! ...no, not really. But Waldorf's network connection will be down from Aug. 31 to at least Sep. 1. If you think you need something for weekend hacking, get it now :-) Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Waldorf Electronics GmbH, R&D Dep. | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Neustrasse 9-12, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 17:50:42 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA02625 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:50:42 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24980; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:56:00 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id RAA11856; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:56:50 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA10228; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:56:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:56:07 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301556.RAA10228@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: TODO list X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 477 Lines: 16 Hi all, weeks ago I sent a TODO list to Ralf. He wanted to add what he thinks its necessary to do, and then send it off to Stoned, for the same reason. This list never showed up again, so I ask me if I shouldn't better post it directly to the list. The idea behind was to organize the work a bit, and to avoid re-inventing the wheel. Well, the latter one hasn't happened yet but it will if we don't take care. So, what do you think? Shall I post such a list ? Cheers, Andy From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Wed Aug 30 18:09:36 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02879 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:09:35 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25377; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:15:08 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id SAA24758; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:15:18 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id SAA11630; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:13:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199508301613.SAA11630@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:13:45 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508301556.RAA10228@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:56:07 +0200) Subject: Re: TODO list X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 453 Lines: 16 Hi all, >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Busse writes: Andreas> So, what do you think? Shall I post such a list ? Hum,... I know I a) forget a lots of things b) have things to do (french manpage for cacheflush, project paper LaTeXization - done for the English version, not yet for french ) but I can't remember such a TODO list... Well if you want to post it, please proceed. I'm sure we all want to had stuff to it :) Stoned. From imp@rover.village.org Wed Aug 30 18:15:01 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02999 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:15:00 -0700 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25548; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:20:34 +0200 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA13606; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:20:42 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02702 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:15:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199508301615.KAA02702@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 17:56:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:15:34 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 943 Lines: 22 : So, what do you think? Shall I post such a list ? Go for it. So far I have only one thing on my list: * Get Deskstation rPC44 booting as well as the other machines. :-) Maybe it would be best to post what needs to be done (or send them to Andy, since he seems to be willing to be point) and then Andy can put it together. However, are we to the point where such a list would be productive? Would the existance of the list help to move forward the goals of the Linux/MIPS project? Are there enough people with machines just sitting around that they would like to do something with, if only they knew what? Are there enough people working on the project that have spare cycles that such a list would produce faster progress? Would such a list help make sure that things get done and nothing falls through the cracks? I think that we're on the plus side of the equasion and it would be good, but maybe others don't think so. Warner From ralf@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 18:35:35 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03216 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:35:34 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25893; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:41:02 +0200 (MET) From: Ralf Baechle Message-Id: <199508301641.SAA12586@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> Received: from localhost by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA12586; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:41:57 +0200 Subject: Re: TODO list To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:41:57 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199508301615.KAA02702@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Aug 30, 95 10:15:34 am Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 868 Lines: 19 Hi, > Maybe it would be best to post what needs to be done (or send them to > Andy, since he seems to be willing to be point) and then Andy can put > it together. However, are we to the point where such a list would be > productive? Would the existance of the list help to move forward the > goals of the Linux/MIPS project? Are there enough people with > machines just sitting around that they would like to do something > with, if only they knew what? Are there enough people working on the > project that have spare cycles that such a list would produce faster > progress? Would such a list help make sure that things get done and > nothing falls through the cracks? > > I think that we're on the plus side of the equasion and it would be > good, but maybe others don't think so. It might also motivate people by giving making them feel guilty ;-) Ralf From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 18:36:32 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03244 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:36:31 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25902; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:42:03 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA12614; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:42:59 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA10311; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:42:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:42:15 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301642.SAA10311@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: <199508301615.KAA02702@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1956 Lines: 68 Hi all! > > Go for it. So far I have only one thing on my list: > * Get Deskstation rPC44 booting as well as the other machines. > > :-) > And that is, in detail: - write an interrupt handler - add bootinfo stuff to milo - etc. etc. :-) > Maybe it would be best to post what needs to be done (or send them to > Andy, since he seems to be willing to be point) and then Andy can put > it together. Yes. I still try to coordinate the uncoordinatable :-) > However, are we to the point where such a list would be > productive? Yes, since there are many tiny little things to do that aren't high on the priority list, but would be very helpful. > Would the existance of the list help to move forward the > goals of the Linux/MIPS project? Certainly. At least, we would have something to discuss. > Are there enough people with > machines just sitting around that they would like to do something > with, if only they knew what? I would say, 20 or more people with access to at least one Mips box are more than enough. > Are there enough people working on the > project that have spare cycles that such a list would produce faster > progress? I'm not sure. There are many people on the list from whom I haven't heard since more than half a year, or even longer. No offense! I just believe that it is a question of motivation to make these people doing useful work. > Would such a list help make sure that things get done and > nothing falls through the cracks? I certainly hope so. There are so many tiny little things that would make my life easier and could be done by others. I just think of the MACHGROUP stuff which could be easily added to Milo. See above. > > I think that we're on the plus side of the equasion and it would be > good, but maybe others don't think so. > Are we on the plus side ? I guess so... OK. I'll post that list real-soon-now. (TM) as Ralf would write :-) Cheers, Andy From imp@rover.village.org Wed Aug 30 18:40:26 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03299 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:40:26 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA25963; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:45:57 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA02954 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:46:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199508301646.KAA02954@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:41:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 10:46:03 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 230 Lines: 7 : It might also motivate people by giving making them feel guilty ;-) I know when I started hearing rumblings about Tyne support being deleted from the distribution, I started quelling my guilt by getting off my butt :-) Warner From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 18:45:41 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03358 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:45:39 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26125; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:51:00 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA12774; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:51:54 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA10336; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:50:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:50:50 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301650.SAA10336@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: TODO list X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2663 Lines: 125 So, here is it. It is completely subject to discuss and change, so feel free to reorganize if you think that a different format might be better. I could imagine a priorized format, but that also has disadvantages. ------------------------snip-------------------------- The Linux/MIPS TODO list -- volunteers welcome! This list is split into several parts: Loader: Bootstrap loader related things. Kernel: Kernel-related topics, such as drivers needed, bugs to fix etc. Crossdev: Cross-compiler and linker related things to do. Library: Linux/MIPS C Library related topics. Applications: All user code related things. Tools: Needed tools, for porting, debugging and so on. If you think you can do something on Linux/MIPS, first check what you'd most prefer or what is most suited to you. Then see below if there is something needed. If you find something you like to work on, please let us know so that work won't be done twice. Thanks! Please send submissions, suggestions etc. directly to me. Andy LOADER ====== 1. DECstation 3100/5000 loaders, both for harddisk and network boot. 2. Mips Magnum 3000 and RC3xxx boot loaders 3. Milo: Magnum 4000 and Olivetti M700 video mode detection needed KERNEL ====== 1. Integrate support for Olivetti M700. Magnum 4000 code can be used. 2. Fix JAZZ SONIC driver 2. Fix TCP/IP and UDP protocol stacks 3. Fix JAZZ DMA translation table driver, if necessary (Done) 4. JAZZ DMA driver needed. (Done) 5. JAZZ floppy driver needed. (Done) 7. JAZZ SCSI driver needed. 8. JAZZ serial port driver needed. (Done) 9. JAZZ parallel port driver needed. (Done. Needs some testing) 10. Combine interrupt handlers of Acer PICA, Mips Magnum 4000 and Olivetti M700 into a single source file, if possible. CROSSDEV ======== 1. Fix ELF support for target. 2. Provide binary crossdev distribution for ELF- and a.out-based Linux/i386 LIBRARY ======= 1. Check and debug C library APPLICATIONS (if one can say so at this time :-)) ============ 1. Release source and binary of basic apps, such as a shell, fs tools and other essential programs 2. I'd like to have /sbin/sync :-) TOOLS ===== 1. Port GDB (I'm working on that. Expect a beta-version next week) --------------------------snip------------------------- Comments welcome! Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Waldorf Electronics GmbH, R&D Dep. | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Neustrasse 9-12, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 18:52:19 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03438 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:52:18 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26257; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:57:49 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id SAA12893; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:58:47 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA10351; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:58:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:58:03 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301658.SAA10351@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: <199508301646.KAA02954@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 234 Lines: 11 > > I know when I started hearing rumblings about Tyne support being > deleted from the distribution, I started quelling my guilt by getting > off my butt :-) > And then you had success. Could it be better? :-) Cheers, Andy From imp@rover.village.org Wed Aug 30 18:56:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03486 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:56:13 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26337; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:01:39 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03142 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:01:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199508301701.LAA03142@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:50:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:01:41 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 556 Lines: 30 : LOADER : ====== x. Deskstation rPC44 support in milo. : KERNEL : ====== x. Add support for the Deskstation rPC44 interrupt handler. x. Add support for i386 ISA drivers to the kernel, mostly for Deskstation rPC44 x. Add support for EISA bus on the rPC44. : CROSSDEV : ======== x. Create instructions for building cross compilers for your platform. : Comments welcome! Do we want to have a minimal boot system, or are we not ready for that yet? Also, at some point, we'll need to have some sort of install path at some point. Warner From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Wed Aug 30 18:57:44 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03523 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:57:43 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26362; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:03:17 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id TAA24843; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:03:30 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id TAA12431; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:01:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199508301701.TAA12431@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:01:58 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508301650.SAA10336@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:50:50 +0200) Subject: Re: TODO list X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 119 Lines: 5 Hum,... I was planning to go to theatre tonigth but when I saw Oily everywhere in this list,.... :) Cheers, stoned. From imp@rover.village.org Wed Aug 30 18:56:51 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03499 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:56:50 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26345; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:02:20 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA03169 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:02:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199508301702.LAA03169@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:58:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:02:25 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 110 Lines: 5 : And then you had success. Could it be better? :-) Yes. I could have a bootable system by now :-). Warner From davem@caip.rutgers.edu Wed Aug 30 19:04:11 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03621 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:04:10 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26446; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:09:43 +0200 (MET) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA12518 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:09:56 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id NAA01898; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:09:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:09:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199508301709.NAA01898@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508301650.SAA10336@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:50:50 +0200) Subject: Re: TODO list Content-Length: 295 Lines: 14 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:50:50 +0200 From: Andreas Busse TOOLS ===== 1. Port GDB (I'm working on that. Expect a beta-version next week) I presume you're referring to kgdb? Or the userland version? ;) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 19:05:22 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03642 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:05:21 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26516; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:10:53 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id TAA13165; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:11:43 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA10393; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:10:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:10:50 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301710.TAA10393@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: <199508301701.TAA12431@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 151 Lines: 10 > > Hum,... I was planning to go to theatre tonigth but when I saw Oily > everywhere in this list,.... :) > I am soooo sorry :-) Cheers, Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 19:07:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03674 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:07:14 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26555; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:12:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id TAA13214; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:13:41 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA10408; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:12:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:12:30 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301712.TAA10408@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: <199508301701.LAA03142@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 49 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > > : LOADER > : ====== > > x. Deskstation rPC44 support in milo. > > : KERNEL > : ====== > > x. Add support for the Deskstation rPC44 interrupt handler. > > x. Add support for i386 ISA drivers to the kernel, mostly for > Deskstation rPC44 They should port themself, as long as the I/O macros are OK and the I/O base address is set correctly. > > x. Add support for EISA bus on the rPC44. > > : CROSSDEV > : ======== > > x. Create instructions for building cross compilers for your > platform. > Ok, I'll add that to the list. > : Comments welcome! > > Do we want to have a minimal boot system, or are we not ready for that > yet? > This depends on what you think is minimal :-) We have /bin/ash, nothing else. More binaries depend on the shared libraries, and this in turn depends on ELF support. > Also, at some point, we'll need to have some sort of install path at > some point. > Don't know what you mean... Can you explain ? Cheers, Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 19:11:10 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03725 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:11:09 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA26660; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:16:40 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id TAA13266; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:17:36 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA10417; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:14:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:14:32 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301714.TAA10417@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: <199508301709.NAA01898@huahaga.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 305 Lines: 13 --------- Received message begins Here --------- > > I presume you're referring to kgdb? Or the userland version? ;) > Right, I mean remote kernel debugging. At least, I have the low-level serial driver and the exception handlers working. Let's see what gdb thinks about that :-) Cheers, Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 20:31:06 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04574 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:31:05 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA28083; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:36:38 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id UAA14452; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:37:39 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA10759; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:36:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:36:53 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508301836.UAA10759@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: kgdb and Linux/MIPS X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 46 Hi all, I have some (limited) success with kgdb. At least, both machines connect, the GDB on my Intel box happily talks to the Mips and gets response. So far, so good. The bad thing is that the usual exception handlers of Linux/MIPS do not save all registers, nor in the order GDB expects them. That leads of course to some mysterious behaviour :-) Question is: Would it hurt to change the struct pt_regs plus the the macros SAVE_ALL, RESTORE_ALL and everything related so that all required registers are saved, or shall I write my own SAVE_ALL_GDB and RESTORE_ALL_GDB macros and a new struct containing the regs ? GDB expects following regs in this order: $0 ... $31 ($0 isn't worth to store, I know :-)) CP0_STATUS, CP0_EPC, LO, HI, BAD_VADDR Most of them are availabe thru pt_regs. Only zero ($0), k0 ($26) and k1 ($27) are missing. So we have a couple of choices: a) change struct pt_regs and all associated macros and functions b) fake the values of zero (always 0 anyway) and k0,k1 c) change GDB I would favourize a), but b) would also work. Changing GDB isn't a good idea, I believe. Any comments? Cheers, Andy ----------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Busse | andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Waldorf Electronics GmbH, R&D Dep. | Phone: +49 2636-970105 Neustrasse 9-12, D-53498 Waldorf | Fax: +49 2636-970106 ----------------------------------------------------------- From imp@rover.village.org Wed Aug 30 22:10:54 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA05573 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:10:54 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29514; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:16:24 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA04854 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:16:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199508302016.OAA04854@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: kgdb and Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:36:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:16:36 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 247 Lines: 10 : a) change struct pt_regs and all associated macros and functions I like this option the best. I like : b) fake the values of zero (always 0 anyway) and k0,k1 less, but if $0 and $27 and $26 never change, then it would be acceptible. Warner From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Wed Aug 30 22:21:15 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA05699 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:21:15 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA29711; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:26:48 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id WAA15997; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:27:51 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA11515; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:27:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:27:02 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508302027.WAA11515@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: kgdb and Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: <199508302016.OAA04854@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 624 Lines: 23 > > : a) change struct pt_regs and all associated macros and functions > > I like this option the best. I like > > : b) fake the values of zero (always 0 anyway) and k0,k1 > > less, but if $0 and $27 and $26 never change, then it would be > acceptible. > $0 cannot change, it's hardwired to zero. It's of course different with k0 and k1, but these are heavily used in exception handlers and to save registers, so changing them might make no sense. But I would at least like to have them displayed... Anyway, the register dump of GDB works now. A bit ugly, but that should be easy to change. Cheers, Andy From davem@caip.rutgers.edu Thu Aug 31 01:56:45 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA07838 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:56:43 -0700 Received: from caipfs.rutgers.edu by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA04024; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 02:02:15 +0200 (MET) Received: from huahaga.rutgers.edu (huahaga.rutgers.edu [128.6.155.53]) by caipfs.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA21499 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:02:28 -0400 Received: (davem@localhost) by huahaga.rutgers.edu (8.6.9+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.9) id UAA02980; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:02:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:02:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199508310002.UAA02980@huahaga.rutgers.edu> From: "David S. Miller" To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508301836.UAA10759@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> (message from Andreas Busse on Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:36:53 +0200) Subject: Re: kgdb and Linux/MIPS Content-Length: 3460 Lines: 88 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:36:53 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Question is: Would it hurt to change the struct pt_regs plus the the macros SAVE_ALL, RESTORE_ALL and everything related so that all required registers are saved, or shall I write my own SAVE_ALL_GDB and RESTORE_ALL_GDB macros and a new struct containing the regs ? Agh, Andy take a look at the sparc-stub.c file, on the Sparc all the registers are just thrown on the stack at trap time with down and dirty offsets plain and simple. There is no fundamental reason for you to rewrite pt_regs at all. In fact what I did was add a header called include/asm-sparc/kgdb.h and on the mips you could put your Mips KGDB specific register layout in there. Personally I only keep an extern or two for people to call breakpoint() etc. $0 ... $31 ($0 isn't worth to store, I know :-)) CP0_STATUS, CP0_EPC, LO, HI, BAD_VADDR Most of them are availabe thru pt_regs. Only zero ($0), k0 ($26) and k1 ($27) are missing. So we have a couple of choices: a) change struct pt_regs and all associated macros and functions ugh don't do this... b) fake the values of zero (always 0 anyway) and k0,k1 this neither. ;) c) change GDB this especially not ;) d) Give gdb stub the registers in the layout that it does expect them in and just leave it at that. No one except the gdb-stub handle_exception() will ever see this stuff, it's private to the debugger. Changing GDB isn't a good idea, I believe. True, when I got it such that anyone with a stock SunOS4.1.3 gdb user level binary could kgdb with it, I was definately pleased. Strive for this in your implementation and then you can keep up with the latest gdb releases as new features specific to MIPS support are added more easily than if you change code. Although I would like to add some Sparc MMU/cache specific debugging features I learned this is a non-sensical goal because one can call any arbitrary function in the kernel at any point in time, and get a return value etc, while under kgdb. For instance, I can easily do: (gdb) print find_empty_task() (gdb) print show_free_areas() (gdb) print show_regs() for instance ;-) And then happily continue kernel execution where the origional breakpoint happened, as if nothing ever occurred ;) Oh and be real careful about two things with KGDB 1) Make sure you *absolutely* can flush the instruction and/or virtually addressed caches before returning from kgdb. If multiple cache types can be found on the machine you must know which one is present before you can kgdb. 2) On the Sparc I quickly got very frustrated when I could not set breakpoints in what seemed like very innocent places in the kernel and sometimes stepping would fail for what seemed like no reason at all. Well, seems gdb tries to be overly smart about branch prediction and tried to set breakpoint in the ROM boot monitor to which I was making calls to for probing of devices etc. Try to catch this in the hex2mem() routine somehow and return 0 if kgdb is trying to write to bogon addresses. As a solution to problem number 2, I have adjusted my mm code on the Sparc to make all Boot Monitor pages COW, and Linux will copy the ROM pages into physical RAM when kgdb tries to set breakpoints in this area and yet preserve the mappings. Pretty krufty eh? ;-) Later, David S. Miller davem@caip.rutgers.edu From imp@rover.village.org Thu Aug 31 05:37:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA11378 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 05:37:00 -0700 Received: from rover.village.org by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA07538; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 05:42:27 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA06921 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:42:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199508310342.VAA06921@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:12:30 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:42:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 650 Lines: 16 : > Also, at some point, we'll need to have some sort of install path at : > some point. : : Don't know what you mean... Can you explain ? We need to have some way to move Linux from some sort of distribution media to the target system. We'd need to have some Mips specific tools to do this job, altough much is platform neutral (at least for the ARCBIOS machines). Setting up environement variables to allow Linux to boot from the menu, etc. Once the environment is "stable," then things like slackware would likely just work for the most part. Like I said, this stuff is a while out just yet. We can't even boot a full system yet. Warner From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Thu Aug 31 07:48:03 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA12691 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:48:02 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA08930; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:53:35 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id HAA24943; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:54:30 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA12907; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:53:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 07:53:49 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508310553.HAA12907@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: kgdb and Linux/MIPS In-Reply-To: <199508310002.UAA02980@huahaga.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2612 Lines: 70 Hi again, > > Agh, Andy take a look at the sparc-stub.c file, on the Sparc all the > registers are just thrown on the stack at trap time with down and > dirty offsets plain and simple. There is no fundamental reason for > you to rewrite pt_regs at all. In fact what I did was add a header > called include/asm-sparc/kgdb.h and on the mips you could put your > Mips KGDB specific register layout in there. Personally I only keep > an extern or two for people to call breakpoint() etc. Well, I'm not sure about how SPARCs handle exceptions, but I'm quite convinced that this heavily differs from the MIPS way. First, the MIPS does not have built-in exception vectors. I just have 4 hardwired exception entry points for 1) TLB refill 2) XTLB refill 3) cache error 4) everything else These vectors are not variable, they are fixed at 0x8000_0000, 0x8000_0080 and so on. That is, you cannot simply overwrite a vector somewhere in memory to redirect exceptions. Luckily, Linux/MIPS already has a vector system for all type 4) exceptions, and the gdb stub uses these vectors. The processor registers are already saved before jumping thru vectors, and into a pt_regs struct. Furthermore, k0 and k1 are used to save registers, and there's no other way to do it since MIPS do *not* have any dedicated stack pointer nor any post-increment or pre-decrement or even direct addressing modes. You need to use a register to save another register. Well, that's RISC :-) > > So we have a couple of choices: > a) change struct pt_regs and all associated macros and functions > > ugh don't do this... > > b) fake the values of zero (always 0 anyway) and k0,k1 > > this neither. ;) Why? Zero can never change. It is hardwired (not by software, by HARDWARE). > > c) change GDB > > this especially not ;) > > d) Give gdb stub the registers in the layout that it does expect them > in and just leave it at that. > > No one except the gdb-stub handle_exception() will ever see this stuff, > it's private to the debugger. > Sorry, that's not true, see above. The only other choice I have is to overwrite the hardcoded exception handlers with jump instructions to the GDB stub. Well, that would work but at this point it could easily introduce new problems which I really don't like. Anyway, I'll think about it. If I feel that the gdb stub is reliable, I could try overwriting the basic exception handlers. At this point, the handler work sufficient enough to be able to check all other gdb features. If everything is fine I can try to find another way. Cheers, Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Thu Aug 31 09:01:40 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA13427 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:01:39 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09900; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:07:09 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id JAA25971; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:07:36 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA13003; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:06:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 09:06:54 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508310706.JAA13003@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: Re: TODO list In-Reply-To: <199508310342.VAA06921@rover.village.org> X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 1753 Lines: 38 Hi again, > > We need to have some way to move Linux from some sort of distribution > media to the target system. We'd need to have some Mips specific > tools to do this job, altough much is platform neutral (at least for > the ARCBIOS machines). Setting up environement variables to allow > Linux to boot from the menu, etc. Once the environment is "stable," > then things like slackware would likely just work for the most part. > > Like I said, this stuff is a while out just yet. We can't even boot a > full system yet. > You're right. However, we come closer and closer to the point where we either can mount a remote fs via network or can use a SCSI hd as local filesystem. At this certain point I actually wouldn't mind if the basic tools are statically linked. I know, I'll get flames for this statement, but I actually would prefer to be able to check the essential things without the hassle of shared libs. Next, as already suggested, I like the idea of a /boot partition or directory. On ARC boxes, this could be a FAT partition which the BIOS can read, and on all other boxes it could be a directory. Once we have decided this, we can write installation tools. For ARC systems, nothing special is required. Insert a boot floppy or CD and start Milo, which in turn launches a kernel prepared for the installation process (That is, load a ramdisk from floppy or CD). The kernel will then either prompt for a rootdisk from which a ramdisk can be loaded or proceed with mounting the CD as root filesystem. And then everything as usual, like in the slakware distribution. Choose keyboard, partition the disk, install stuff, setup names and addresses and that's it. If we only had something to install :-) Cheers, Andy From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Fri Sep 1 13:30:14 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02290 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:30:13 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de ([193.98.169.1]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09951; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:35:45 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id MAA29154; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:46:49 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA13313; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:44:29 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:44:29 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508311044.MAA13313@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: TODO list (update) X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 2399 Lines: 112 ------------------------snip-------------------------- The Linux/MIPS TODO list -- volunteers welcome! This list is split into several parts: Loader: Bootstrap loader related things. Kernel: Kernel-related topics, such as drivers needed, bugs to fix etc. Crossdev: Cross-compiler and linker related things to do. Library: Linux/MIPS C Library related topics. Applications: All user code related things. Tools: Needed tools, for porting, debugging and so on. If you think you can do something on Linux/MIPS, first check what you'd most prefer or what is most suited to you. Then see below if there is something needed. If you find something you like to work on, please let us know so that work won't be done twice. Thanks! Please send submissions, suggestions etc. directly to me. Andy LOADER ====== 1. DECstation 3100/5000 loaders, both for harddisk and network boot. 2. Mips Magnum 3000 and RC3xxx boot loaders 3. Milo: Magnum 4000 and Olivetti M700 video mode detection needed. 4. Milo: Support for new bootinfo item `MACHGROUP' needed. 5: Milo: Add support for Deskstation rPC44. KERNEL ====== 1. Integrate support for Olivetti M700. Magnum 4000 code can be used. 2. Fix JAZZ SONIC driver 3. Fix TCP/IP and UDP protocol stacks 4. SCSI driver for Magnum 4000, Olivetti M700 and Acer PICA-61 needed. 5. Test parallel driver for Magnum 4000, Olivetti M700 and Acer PICA-61 6. Combine interrupt handlers of Acer PICA, Mips Magnum 4000 and Olivetti M700 into a single source file, if possible. 7. Add support for the Deskstation rPC44 interrupt handler. 8. Add support for i386 ISA drivers to the kernel, mostly for Deskstation rPC44 9. Add support for EISA bus on the rPC44. 10. Complete GDB stub for remote debugging. CROSSDEV ======== 1. Fix ELF support for target. 2. Provide binary crossdev distribution for ELF- and a.out-based Linux/i386 3. Create instructions for building cross compilers for your platform. LIBRARY ======= 1. Check and debug C library 2. Create shared library APPLICATIONS (if one can say so at this time :-)) ============ 1. Release source and binary of basic apps, such as a shell, fs tools and other essential programs. 2. Create rootdisk/bootdisk sets for all target machines TOOLS ===== 1. Check GDB as remote kernel debugger. 2. Fix ELF support in GDB, if necessary. From andy@waldorf-gmbh.de Fri Sep 1 13:30:08 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02278 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:30:07 -0700 Received: from scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de ([193.98.169.1]) by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA09948; Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:35:37 +0200 (MET) Received: from newton.waldorf-gmbh.de by scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.4/WE-1.0.1) id PAA31615; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:42:58 +0200 Received: (from andy@localhost) by newton.waldorf-gmbh.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA14417; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:42:07 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:42:07 +0200 From: Andreas Busse Message-Id: <199508311342.PAA14417@newton.waldorf-gmbh.de> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: SIGEMT X-Mailer: [XMailTool v3.1.2b] Content-Length: 110 Lines: 7 Hi all, I wonder why gdb thinks that signal 7 is SIGEMT. In Linux this is SIGBUS. Any ideas, anyone ? Andy From imp@rover.village.org Thu Aug 31 21:19:28 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA20822 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:19:26 -0700 Received: from chenas.inria.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA23220; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:25:01 +0200 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via EUnet-France id AA16183; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 21:25:09 +0200 (MET) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA12985 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:19:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199508311919.NAA12985@rover.village.org> To: linux-mips@fnet.fr Subject: It linked! Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:19:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh Content-Length: 432 Lines: 10 OK. It linked! I just copied the tyne.S to rpc44.S, hacked the Makefile and it built! Now, it is time to go off and boot it and see if things work well or not. I don't think it will, but I can start trying now :-) After disabling a few things, I was able to get the kernel size below 640K, so I'll be able to boot it w/o problems. Well, I'll be able to load it into memory and it will not have truncation problems :-) Warner From Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Thu Aug 31 22:24:02 1995 Received: from ns.fnet.fr (ns.fnet.fr [192.134.192.2]) by guadalquivir.fnet.fr (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA21481 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:24:02 -0700 Received: from amiante.univ-evry.fr by ns.fnet.fr (5.65c8d/AFUU-4.2.3) via EUnet-France id AA24128; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:29:36 +0200 (MET) Received: from bandsept.univ-evry.fr (bandsept.univ-evry.fr [192.93.214.19]) by amiante.univ-evry.fr with ESMTP (8.6.10/94.01.10); id WAA26534; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:29:54 +0200 Received: (seb@localhost) by bandsept.univ-evry.fr (8.6.12/94.01.26); id WAA13953; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:28:16 +0200 Message-Id: <199508312028.WAA13953@bandsept.univ-evry.fr> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 22:28:16 +0200 From: Stoned Elipot To: linux-mips@fnet.fr In-Reply-To: <199508311919.NAA12985@rover.village.org> (message from Warner Losh on Thu, 31 Aug 1995 13:19:54 -0600) Subject: Re: It linked! X-Mailer: GNU Emacs [19.29] Mail Mode X-Attribution: seb X-Pgp-Key: ask a good public key server Reply-To: Stoned.Elipot@univ-evry.fr Content-Length: 180 Lines: 14 Hi, >>>>> "Warner" == Warner Losh writes: Warner> OK. It linked! [SNIP] Just a 'nightly Hello/Congrats' to keep you running, if you need it :) Stoned.